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Quote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 11:21:02 amQuote from: svk on March 28, 2016, 10:00:26 amQuote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 08:55:50 amHe has been voting for stopping all development since February. That is very clear attack against Bitshares in my mind. He hasn't even bothered to explain why he is doing it.He certainly has explained why: like wildpig says he believes the current marketcap is too low to support dilution at the current rates. Clearly quite a few people agree with him since he's not only the proxy with the most votes behind him (by a large margin), but also the proxy with the second most accounts behind him.He has been asked several times to explain how the "antidilution" plan would work, but he, or anybody else from antidilution gang, hasn't answered. Like in this topic: No dilution. Now what? Everyone anti dilution please reportThe competition is strong in cryptosphere. If we stop development for a few years and hope that somehow mystically BTS price will shoot up even when the project is mostly hibernating, our chances for success are pretty much nonexistent.How we can market with plan like that? "Well, we are now in a stage where we have stopped development and just wish very hard that price will go up." Everybody will laugh at that and think that Bitshares is dead project. Everybody will see that Bitshares has failed as a DAC.It is fucking frustrating for me to watch all this happen. We are still leading in tech, but that's not going to last forever. Lisk is coming with DPOS and it might take away a considerable portion of our investors because it has momentum and it's using it, while antidilution gang is making sure that Bitshares won't gain any momemtum ever again. If not Lisk, you can be sure that there will be other projects coming. We can't just wait and see when they grab all potential customers.Quote from: svk on March 28, 2016, 10:00:26 amHe's not crazy just because you don't agree, and resorting to name-calling and personal attacks will only serve to alienate him and his supporters even more. Hell, I'm a worker myself but I tend to agree with him.. Now Data has been insinuating that alt is behind the recent "dividend" worker, but there's no evidence to that effect and as you may have noticed alt is NOT voting for that worker.Well, what else you could expect? Alt has been real asshole and has stopped communicating with the rest of us. You get what you ask for. I don't have any respect for him.This is a several million dollar business, and the goal is to get it to several billions. Alt and the whole antidilution gang are acting like retarded children. I have very little patience for behaviour like that.I'll say it again, personal attacks only reflect poorly on yourself, and they're probably part of the reason why alt and so many others (Hoskinson comes to mind) are no longer active in this community. The current state is that all serious worker proposals have enough votes to be active, regardless of alt's stance, so your argument that the anti-dilution crowd is "making sure that Bitshares won't gain any momentum" is an obvious strawman.I suspect alt and co feel that the current feature set is more than enough to compete with most other cryptos out there, and that what Bitshares needs more than anything else is feature stability. We keep on increasing the complexity of Bitshares by adding feature upon feature, but perhaps feature creep and additional complexity are not what we need at this point in time. Bitshares is already quite complex and hard to grasp for newcomers, so there's certainly a case to be made for reducing complexity rather than adding to it.I'm of the opinion that any major value added to Bitshares will come from third parties building services utilizing the blockchain itself, not from worker proposals or "marketing" paid by workers, and for that to happen we need stability.
Quote from: svk on March 28, 2016, 10:00:26 amQuote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 08:55:50 amHe has been voting for stopping all development since February. That is very clear attack against Bitshares in my mind. He hasn't even bothered to explain why he is doing it.He certainly has explained why: like wildpig says he believes the current marketcap is too low to support dilution at the current rates. Clearly quite a few people agree with him since he's not only the proxy with the most votes behind him (by a large margin), but also the proxy with the second most accounts behind him.He has been asked several times to explain how the "antidilution" plan would work, but he, or anybody else from antidilution gang, hasn't answered. Like in this topic: No dilution. Now what? Everyone anti dilution please reportThe competition is strong in cryptosphere. If we stop development for a few years and hope that somehow mystically BTS price will shoot up even when the project is mostly hibernating, our chances for success are pretty much nonexistent.How we can market with plan like that? "Well, we are now in a stage where we have stopped development and just wish very hard that price will go up." Everybody will laugh at that and think that Bitshares is dead project. Everybody will see that Bitshares has failed as a DAC.It is fucking frustrating for me to watch all this happen. We are still leading in tech, but that's not going to last forever. Lisk is coming with DPOS and it might take away a considerable portion of our investors because it has momentum and it's using it, while antidilution gang is making sure that Bitshares won't gain any momemtum ever again. If not Lisk, you can be sure that there will be other projects coming. We can't just wait and see when they grab all potential customers.Quote from: svk on March 28, 2016, 10:00:26 amHe's not crazy just because you don't agree, and resorting to name-calling and personal attacks will only serve to alienate him and his supporters even more. Hell, I'm a worker myself but I tend to agree with him.. Now Data has been insinuating that alt is behind the recent "dividend" worker, but there's no evidence to that effect and as you may have noticed alt is NOT voting for that worker.Well, what else you could expect? Alt has been real asshole and has stopped communicating with the rest of us. You get what you ask for. I don't have any respect for him.This is a several million dollar business, and the goal is to get it to several billions. Alt and the whole antidilution gang are acting like retarded children. I have very little patience for behaviour like that.
Quote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 08:55:50 amHe has been voting for stopping all development since February. That is very clear attack against Bitshares in my mind. He hasn't even bothered to explain why he is doing it.He certainly has explained why: like wildpig says he believes the current marketcap is too low to support dilution at the current rates. Clearly quite a few people agree with him since he's not only the proxy with the most votes behind him (by a large margin), but also the proxy with the second most accounts behind him.
He has been voting for stopping all development since February. That is very clear attack against Bitshares in my mind. He hasn't even bothered to explain why he is doing it.
He's not crazy just because you don't agree, and resorting to name-calling and personal attacks will only serve to alienate him and his supporters even more. Hell, I'm a worker myself but I tend to agree with him.. Now Data has been insinuating that alt is behind the recent "dividend" worker, but there's no evidence to that effect and as you may have noticed alt is NOT voting for that worker.
Quote from: btswildpig on March 28, 2016, 08:59:59 amQuote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 08:55:50 amQuote from: svk on March 28, 2016, 08:34:01 amQuote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 07:20:22 amSo what made alt to go crazy and instead of improving Bitshares to attacking it?What makes you say he went crazy and attacked Bitshares?? Enough with the innuendo and personal attacks already...He has been voting for stopping all development since February. That is very clear attack against Bitshares in my mind. He hasn't even bothered to explain why he is doing it.Alt hasn't been voting for stopping all development since the merger to this Feb, and BTS marketcap dropped lower than Dogecoin who has zero development . What do you think now ? So either development has nothing to do with the price , or development can only affect the price in a really really long future . So what's the rush to do dilution of development at a really low and illiquid marketcap ?I think now this is an uninformed position. It was the latest development by Fox to get Bitshares into Azure that got our market cap up. It all happened rather quickly too. If nothing was done, where do you think Bitshares market cap would be now? Lets just sit and do nothing is not a plan for success, it's a plan for death. BTW.. It was because of me searching that I came across this thread and shared it in Telegram with others to show how alt used to support the development of Bitshares. I never thought it would explode like this. It's ironic. The arguments about what he did in the past and never forgetting as some kind of allusion to appreciation are a contrast to the Chinese who always say the same thing about bytemaster in relation to the merger. Bytemaster devoted years of his life to Bitshares, alt found a bug one time. Not trying to downplay contributions of the past... just noting how little relevance they have to the actions being taken today.
Quote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 08:55:50 amQuote from: svk on March 28, 2016, 08:34:01 amQuote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 07:20:22 amSo what made alt to go crazy and instead of improving Bitshares to attacking it?What makes you say he went crazy and attacked Bitshares?? Enough with the innuendo and personal attacks already...He has been voting for stopping all development since February. That is very clear attack against Bitshares in my mind. He hasn't even bothered to explain why he is doing it.Alt hasn't been voting for stopping all development since the merger to this Feb, and BTS marketcap dropped lower than Dogecoin who has zero development . What do you think now ? So either development has nothing to do with the price , or development can only affect the price in a really really long future . So what's the rush to do dilution of development at a really low and illiquid marketcap ?
Quote from: svk on March 28, 2016, 08:34:01 amQuote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 07:20:22 amSo what made alt to go crazy and instead of improving Bitshares to attacking it?What makes you say he went crazy and attacked Bitshares?? Enough with the innuendo and personal attacks already...He has been voting for stopping all development since February. That is very clear attack against Bitshares in my mind. He hasn't even bothered to explain why he is doing it.
Quote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 07:20:22 amSo what made alt to go crazy and instead of improving Bitshares to attacking it?What makes you say he went crazy and attacked Bitshares?? Enough with the innuendo and personal attacks already...
So what made alt to go crazy and instead of improving Bitshares to attacking it?
I'll say it again, personal attacks only reflect poorly on yourself, and they're probably part of the reason why alt and so many others (Hoskinson comes to mind) are no longer active in this community.
The current state is that all serious worker proposals have enough votes to be active, regardless of alt's stance, so your argument that the anti-dilution crowd is "making sure that Bitshares won't gain any momentum" is an obvious strawman.
I suspect alt and co feel that the current feature set is more than enough to compete with most other cryptos out there, and that what Bitshares needs more than anything else is feature stability. We keep on increasing the complexity of Bitshares by adding feature upon feature, but perhaps feature creep and additional complexity are not what we need at this point in time. Bitshares is already quite complex and hard to grasp for newcomers, so there's certainly a case to be made for reducing complexity rather than adding to it.
I'm of the opinion that any major value added to Bitshares will come from third parties building services utilizing the blockchain itself, not from worker proposals or "marketing" paid by workers, and for that to happen we need stability.
Quote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 08:55:50 amQuote from: svk on March 28, 2016, 08:34:01 amQuote from: Samupaha on March 28, 2016, 07:20:22 amSo what made alt to go crazy and instead of improving Bitshares to attacking it?What makes you say he went crazy and attacked Bitshares?? Enough with the innuendo and personal attacks already...He has been voting for stopping all development since February. That is very clear attack against Bitshares in my mind. He hasn't even bothered to explain why he is doing it.He certainly has explained why: like wildpig says he believes the current marketcap is too low to support dilution at the current rates. Clearly quite a few people agree with him since he's not only the proxy with the most votes behind him (by a large margin), but also the proxy with the second most accounts behind him.He's not crazy just because you don't agree, and resorting to name-calling and personal attacks will only serve to alienate him and his supporters even more. Hell, I'm a worker myself but I tend to agree with him.. Now Data has been insinuating that alt is behind the recent "dividend" worker, but there's no evidence to that effect and as you may have noticed alt is NOT voting for that worker.
Never forget.
for alt.We all know alt is an amazing guy who helps BitShares move forward with his best efforts. But seldom know he is also kind-hearted and caring. Chinese community calls him Monkey, , the nick name of a protagonist in the classic fiction Journey to the West http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West . Monkey is a fearless warrior with redoubtable KongFu. Why do we call him Monkey? Check his Weibo http://weibo.com/u/1570505863 and you know.
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