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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: MktDirector on November 20, 2014, 02:19:31 am
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Hey everyone!
After being head down and off grid for a bit, working with Cass - over a LOT of hours, I'm happy to say BitShares.org (REloaded!) As Stan likes to say, is up! The new site is simpler, more focused on our core business, more elegant and easy to understand. I hope you like it.
And can I just go on the record here and say Cass is not only the hardest working person I know, he's also a brilliant artist and the designer behind what you see. He also overcome some incredibly difficult personal situations to get this job done fast and at great sacrifice. So THANK YOU CASS! THANK YOU.
Thank you to bytemaster for sitting through long sessions with the marketing guys to continually drill down to answer the question, What IS BitShares? as I asked over and over and over and to the devs who all pitched in ideas up in VA. Thank you guys. We have a lot more to do, but this site is the first glimpse of a newer, leaner, meaner, more relevant and purposeful BitShares.
Please feel free to point out edits or anything we may have overlooked. And please offer (constructive) criticism, we'd really appreciate it. The site will be filled out more over the next few weeks with more pages, it's not yet fully complete, but the core of it is there. Enjoy!
B
www.bitshares.org
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沙发...
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ban deng +5% +5% +5%
the thumbnail of recent posts is too small.
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+5% - Looks Great!
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+5% Awesome!
This is more awesome if it has a daily news updates page so we don't have to dig the forum on what's latest news.
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Thx for your kind words Brian.
You all guys are working incredible hard to make BitShares happen. I'm contributing just as best as i can ...
nite
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Wow that site is slick! Great Job!
...constructive criticism: I wish one of the main menu options at the top right was something like "how it works," or "more info." I say this because after reading the home page I felt excited and interested to learn more, but it was not intuitive where to go to do so.
And I shouldn't have to go to the wiki for more info. It should be on the site, one of the main and obvious navigation choices. I say this because I think many people will want to learn more before going ahead. A resource that almost everyone visiting the site is using should be one of the main sections of the site, not a peripheral wiki link.
That's all. It REALLY is great looking though. Very impressive, especially for not being finished.
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its great. Not topped the last FAQ or other pages but still great, absolutely great.
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Awesome
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Great to see something tangible. Thank you Brian, Cass and Team.
Constructive Criticism: Not formatted well in Chrome on an iPhone. The Mobile and Desktop versions are both cropped.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/19/fd19002b0a3eea4cb2c6ced3d14976a2.jpg)
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good point teenagecheese, we'll add more info for sure. News updates are a great idea as well. More to come. b
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good point teenagecheese, we'll add more info for sure. News updates are a great idea as well. More to come. b
Good to see you on the forum this late in the day MktDirector, sign up to the forum on nullstreet so you can gain marketing insight if you have not already.
Come join the forum more often and post, if people are negative to you, to hell with them, but still take what they say into consideration.
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Looks good overall; the slick backgrounds and simple messages really do justice to BitShares.
If I have one criticism, it's that the readability of text can be improved on many of the pages. In some cases, the text color is too close to the background colors, making the words almost invisible. In other cases, the font seems too thin and insubstantial.
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A landing page worthy of the sophistication of Bitshares. Well done.
I see you guys are not believers in the Oxford Comma. :)
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Excellent job Brian .... Go Bitshares!!!!
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Great stuff.
Small nitpick- MAC is not an acronym. Please change this to 'Mac', or better yet 'Mac OSX' or simply 'OSX' on the download page.
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The site looks phenomenal cass + Brian, great work! The way the features are explained will definitely have people wanting to know more about what this technology is and how it works.
My suggested improvement is to standardize the team page a bit more. For example, there are a bunch of similar roles with similar titles (software, software engineer, software developer, developer) which could all be standardized into just one title. Also, I think it would be a nice touch to have each team member write up a short bio and add it to that page somehow. Maybe clicking on a team member image will cause a short bio to pop up in a modal or something. Also, should HackFisher be mentioned as the project lead for Play to remain consistent with the Music guys?
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Nice site..
http://bitshares.org/merchants/
The as featured in should contain links to those features otherwise casual readers are left wondering if those were put in just to get free marketing and may not be true...
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Great choice in wordpress theme! I was JUST looking at "story" last week for a website I'm working on. Very good choice: http://pexetothemes.com/demos/story_wp/
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Great stuff.
Small nitpick- MAC is not an acronym. Please change this to 'Mac', or better yet 'Mac OSX' or simply 'OSX' on the download page.
Agreed. Mac is a model of a PC. OSX is the OS. Especially now that people run OSX on home builts and Linux/Windows on their Macs.
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I cant read this page on my ipad the font is too light.. Should be a high comtast color for large bodies of text
http://bitshares.org/regulation-proof-self-funding-dacs/
Should also not refer to btsx anymore i got confused when talking about delegate pay rate of btsx vs variable rate of bts.. Just talk about bts only and variable pay rate
You should also link yhings like when mentioning bitshares music
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I cant read this page on my ipad the font is too light.. Should be a high comtast color for large bodies of text
http://bitshares.org/regulation-proof-self-funding-dacs/ (http://bitshares.org/regulation-proof-self-funding-dacs/)
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I can read it easily on one monitor, OK on another, and hard on my laptop. I recall we had the same issue with the client. I think you all have too expensive monitors :).
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I cant read this page on my ipad the font is too light.. Should be a high comtast color for large bodies of text
http://bitshares.org/regulation-proof-self-funding-dacs/ (http://bitshares.org/regulation-proof-self-funding-dacs/)
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I can read it easily on one monitor, OK on another, and hard on my laptop. I recall we had the same issue with the client. I think you all have too expensive monitors :).
Ipad and its a grey font
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Using my laptop, on the first page(?) of the site, I cannot see the top-left hand side menu/links; .
Well I kind of can, but I have to wait for the dark haired guys to pass through...
Not complaining, just saying to keep it in mind.
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Great work. Very cool site! Nitpick: In INSTANT section, "it's time you looked at BitShares Banking."
Isn't this the kind of "bank" language we were trying to avoid with the slogan? How about "It's time to bank on BitShares." That triggers a different definition of the word "bank" which does not identify it as a highly regulated institution.
Overall, excellent site.
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Great work. Very cool site! Nitpick: In INSTANT section, "it's time you looked at BitShares Banking."
Isn't this the kind of "bank" language we were trying to avoid with the slogan? How about "It's time to bank on BitShares." That triggers a different definition of the word "bank" which does not identify it as a highly regulated institution.
Overall, excellent site.
The bank language caught my attention as well. Agreed on the rewording.
Site looks great, I will comb through it in more detail tomorrow.
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The first page says "Why bank when you can *BitShare*?" Looks strange. Why bitshare not bitshares?
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Love the site! Only going to get better from here, too. 8)
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Well done,
Exciting to see something happen.
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I see you guys are not believers in the Oxford Comma. :)
Actually the use of the Oxford comma seems to be inconsistent (which is worse than either using it or not using it).
See the second (http://bitshares.org/#2) page:
Save and trade in gold, silver, dollars, or other currencies.
But then see the third (http://bitshares.org/#3) and sixth (http://bitshares.org/#6) pages:
Eliminate the middle men, overhead and bloated profits of traditional banks.
Simply put, your account can’t be raided, compromised or seized.
I have additional feedback:
The Facebook logo in the footer links to "http://www.facbook.com/officialbitshares" rather than "http://www.facebook.com/officialbitshares". Interestingly, it appears Facebook owns facbook.com and does the redirection.
The contrast of the text needs to improve for better readability. In some cases in needs to be brighter to contrast against the dark backgrounds it is on, and in other cases it needs to be darker to contrast against the bright backgrounds it is on. I also think some of the text would benefit from being thicker, and that is especially true for the navigation text (which I think would also need some kind of shadows to further improve their readability against the image backgrounds on the home page).
In the very first tab/page of the homepage, both the navigation text and the BitShares logo are hard to read because of the bright lights of the animated image behind it. I think it would benefit from some kind of dim translucent background strip which is fixed to the first tab/page and rolls up and out of sight as the user scrolls down. Or maybe there is a better solution. Whatever the solution, the navigation text and BitShares logo just need to be easily readable on the first tab/page of the homepage, and currently they are not.
I also second the change from "MAC" to "Mac OS X".
And someone please correct me if I am wrong, but in the http://bitshares.org/merchants/ page, I think it would be appropriate to capitalize two of the titles as follows: "As Good As Cash" and "Monetize Your Float". At least that is according to the rules here (http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/capitalization/rules-for-capitalization-in-titles.html).
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MktDirector,
Please take some of the points the people are making into consideration, a final version, does not always have to be a final version.
Its good on my computer but check out this site. www.getmadein.com
Something like this could have been done or can be done I think its more effective, https://www.getmadein.com/japan/tokyo-banana-tree
Further addition
Also harness the power of newsletters, really check out the getmadein site and scroll around, Japanese products do rock as well. (It is not my website)
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- Next time leave a live site up until the new one is ready, so we do not have multi-day downtime
- Add description meta tag for each page, there is no description tag at all for SEO as of now
- Monetize your Float, As good as Cash on Merchants page, capitalize Your and Good to be consistent with the other ones
- Under More menu, Resources and Community are links that do not go anywhere (#), make those words non-links
- Why is the "Team" menu link URL /who, should it not be /team?
- Stay Tuned page had links to past newsletters might be nice, or at least the most recent one
- The continue in "Continue reading >" text links on /press are sometimes capitalized and sometimes not
- Consider spelling out all contractions (it's, there's, what's etc.) it is easier for those who do not speak English as a first language to read and not be confused on what is possessive and what is a contraction
- http://bitshares.org/hello-world/ remove this page
- http://bitshares.org/bitshares-guide/ --> remove the pingback comment, it is to a not to friendly article
- http://altquick.co/ redirected to: http://www.altquick.co/ status code: 301 (object permanently moved) linked from page(s): http://bitshares.org/partners/
- http://bitcoin.org/en/ redirected to: https://bitcoin.org/en/ status code: 301 (object permanently moved) linked from page(s): http://bitshares.org/press/
Broken Links:
http://bitsapphire.com/
https://bitsapphire.com/
\_____ error code: 12170 (error 12170)
http://bitshares.org/10-natural-laws-of-the-crypto-asset-universe/
http://bitshares.org/blog/ten-natural-laws-of-crypto-asset-universe.php
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/bitshares-guide/
http://static.squarespace.com/static/51df1ba4e4b08840dcfce197/t/5212ca63e4b0348bfd2276c6/1376963171729/BitShares%20White%20Paper%20%282%29.pdf
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
https://bitfund.pe/welcome
\_____ error code: 6 (invalid file handle)
http://bitshares.org/category/uncategorized/
http://bitshares.org/delegated-proof-of-stake/
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/faq/
http://bitshares.org/bitshares/ags-pts.php
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/hello-world/
http://bitshares.org/delegated-proof-of-stake/
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/own-your-identity-with-bitshares-2/
http://www.sepago.de/sites/default/files/users/nicholas/p2f1.png
\_____ error code: 403 (forbidden request)
http://bitshares.org/own-your-identity-with-bitshares/
http://letstalkbitcoin.com/own-your-identity-with-bitshares
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/partners/
http://http//ypool.net/
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://coinport.com/trade
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/the-end-of-cryptomoney/
http://bitshares.org/delegated-proof-of-stake/
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://x2.twomediaventures.com/team/daniel-larimer/
\_____ error code: 500 (server error)
http://bitshares.org/security/delegated-proof-of-stake.php
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/what-is-bitshares-x/
http://bitshares.org/industries/banking/
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
-- I imagine some of these pages are no longer supposed to be visible like http://bitshares.org/faq/ is FUBAR atm, but links to it (in blog posts etc.) make it still visible.
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Who is the website targeted at?
What are we hoping the target market is going to do after visiting the website?
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I don't like the background image of the Merchants page, kind of gloomy. Looks like Hong Kong before a Kaiju attack :D
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I don't like the background image of th eMerchants page, kind of gloomy. Looks like Hong Kong before a Kaiju attack :D
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I like the background image but I think it'd work better in the third space with the title "AS GOOD AS CASH" while the mountains would be first with the title "INCREASE PROFITS". Mountains first would be less gloomy while 'as good as cash' with the image of people on the streets makes more sense IMO.
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(http://i.imgur.com/wQueJ6U.png)
- Can we have the menu font in BOLD white .. or anything else that increases the contrast?
- I am missing a link to github sources
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(http://i.imgur.com/wQueJ6U.png)
Can we have the menu font in BOLD white .. or anything else that increases the contrast?
yes sure but guess this is on your linux firefox version? or chrome!?
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I see you guys are not believers in the Oxford Comma. :)
Actually the use of the Oxford comma seems to be inconsistent (which is worse than either using it or not using it).
See the second (http://bitshares.org/#2) page:
Save and trade in gold, silver, dollars, or other currencies.
But then see the third (http://bitshares.org/#3) and sixth (http://bitshares.org/#6) pages:
Eliminate the middle men, overhead and bloated profits of traditional banks.
Simply put, your account can’t be raided, compromised or seized.
I have additional feedback:
The Facebook logo in the footer links to "http://www.facbook.com/officialbitshares" rather than "http://www.facebook.com/officialbitshares". Interestingly, it appears Facebook owns facbook.com and does the redirection.
I also second the change from "MAC" to "Mac OS X".
corrected thx
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(http://i.imgur.com/wQueJ6U.png)
- Can we have the menu font in BOLD white .. or anything else that increases the contrast?
- I am missing a link to github sources
under more --> resources
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(http://i.imgur.com/wQueJ6U.png)
Can we have the menu font in BOLD white .. or anything else that increases the contrast?
yes sure but guess this is on your linux firefox version? or chrome!?
Yep .. linux/firefox :) .. If you tell me it looks better elsewhere .. I can live with it :)
edit: found the github link
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(http://i.imgur.com/wQueJ6U.png)
- Can we have the menu font in BOLD white .. or anything else that increases the contrast?
- I am missing a link to github sources
That is nothing....below is highly highlighted version, in practice the background is much whiter on my laptop's screen.
(http://i.imgur.com/EqzCBoH.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Fng9dsJ.png)
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- Next time leave a live site up until the new one is ready, so we do not have multi-day downtime
agreed
- Add description meta tag for each page, there is no description tag at all for SEO as of now
also agreed - as we said... it's not finished .. but we'll add metas asap .. thx four input
- Monetize your Float, As good as Cash on Merchants page, capitalize Your and Good to be consistent with the other ones
yup done
- Under More menu, Resources and Community are links that do not go anywhere (#), make those words non-links
this is ok for now ...
- Why is the "Team" menu link URL /who, should it not be /team?
yeah something strange goes on there^^ i have to check this problem later on! When using /team page isn't displayes.
Tried to delete and recreate but until now still no luck- have to check db later .... known problem thx
- Stay Tuned page had links to past newsletters might be nice, or at least the most recent one
Good idea ... done - http://bitshares.org/stay-tuned/
- The continue in "Continue reading >" text links on /press are sometimes capitalized and sometimes not
Good catch - done
- http://bitshares.org/hello-world/ remove this page
done
- http://bitshares.org/bitshares-guide/ --> remove the pingback comment, it is to a not to friendly article
done
- http://altquick.co/ redirected to: http://www.altquick.co/ status code: 301 (object permanently moved) linked from page(s): http://bitshares.org/partners/
- http://bitcoin.org/en/ redirected to: https://bitcoin.org/en/ status code: 301 (object permanently moved) linked from page(s): http://bitshares.org/press/
works for me …
http://bitsapphire.com/
https://bitsapphire.com/
\_____ error code: 12170 (error 12170)
yes but site is offline it'S not an error on our site...
http://bitshares.org/bitshares-guide/
http://static.squarespace.com/static/51df1ba4e4b08840dcfce197/t/5212ca63e4b0348bfd2276c6/1376963171729/BitShares%20White%20Paper%20%282%29.pdf
yes offline ....
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
https://bitfund.pe/welcome
\_____ error code: 6 (invalid file handl
works for me …
http://bitshares.org/category/uncategorized/
http://bitshares.org/delegated-proof-of-stake/
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/bitshares/ags-pts.php
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/delegated-proof-of-stake/
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://www.sepago.de/sites/default/files/users/nicholas/p2f1.png
http://bitshares.org/own-your-identity-with-bitshares/
http://letstalkbitcoin.com/own-your-identity-with-bitshares
http://bitshares.org/the-end-of-cryptomoney/
http://bitshares.org/delegated-proof-of-stake/
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://x2.twomediaventures.com/team/daniel-larimer/
\_____ error code: 500 (server error)
http://bitshares.org/security/delegated-proof-of-stake.php
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
http://bitshares.org/what-is-bitshares-x/
http://bitshares.org/industries/banking/
\_____ error code: 404 (not found)
this all have to get a revamp on both sides ... content and design side ... we'l update asap
http://bitshares.org/partners/
http://ypool.net/
http://coinport.com/trade
done
Thx for your input ... :)
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(http://i.imgur.com/wQueJ6U.png)
- Can we have the menu font in BOLD white .. or anything else that increases the contrast?
- I am missing a link to github sources
That is nothing....below is highly highlighted version, in practice the background is much whiter on my laptop's screen.
(http://i.imgur.com/EqzCBoH.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Fng9dsJ.png)
thx known problem i'll change first video background later this day ... let me check it again ...
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BitShares is trustworthy yet requires you trust no one.
Maybe my understanding of english is too german here, but doesn't this sentence actually mean "it is explicitly required that you trust no one, to use bitshares - so if you trust anyone it wont work?
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we also now have an IRC channel
#bitshares @ freenode
not sure if IRC should be added to the webpage
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(http://i.imgur.com/wQueJ6U.png)
- Can we have the menu font in BOLD white .. or anything else that increases the contrast?
- I am missing a link to github sources
could you pls check again readability ? thx
That is nothing....below is highly highlighted version, in practice the background is much whiter on my laptop's screen.
(http://i.imgur.com/EqzCBoH.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Fng9dsJ.png)
thx known problem i'll change first video background later this day ... let me check it again ...
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we also now have an IRC channel
#bitshares @ freenode
not sure if IRC should be added to the webpage
yup sure
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Great to see something tangible. Thank you Brian, Cass and Team.
Constructive Criticism: Not formatted well in Chrome on an iPhone. The Mobile and Desktop versions are both cropped.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/19/fd19002b0a3eea4cb2c6ced3d14976a2.jpg)
pls check again, issue should fixed now ... but still scroll problems on android and win phone …
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GREAT job on the site Brian, Cass and all the others! It looks and reads amazing!
Who wrote the about section? It reads very very nicely!
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every good website, any news from marketing
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Why does the Download page have a 32bit and a 64bit windows download ... both pointing to THE SAME exe download file?
Can we have a SOURCES link to github there instead?!
PS: main menu has MUCH better contrast now!! +5%
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I don't like the background image of the Merchants page, kind of gloomy. Looks like Hong Kong before a Kaiju attack :D
(http://i.imgur.com/uxXTErZ.png)
but maybe you noticed bitUSD payment options ... and this all right before the Kaiju attack^^
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Why does the Download page have a 32bit and a 64bit windows download ... both pointing to THE SAME exe download file?
Can we have a SOURCES link to github there instead?!
PS: main menu has MUCH better contrast now!! +5%
problem with source links to github is chinese slow loading problem (have to address this issue later on) etc. i'm uploading wallet files directly to .org and then publish also sha1 etc.
And yes, you're right currently jsut one win version out there... asap.. 2nd version is out i'll add it also
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
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and honeslty idk if there legal issues then if we include BTS client on local side ... your thoughts?
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
for this you have to ask which target groups we're trying to reach ... as said before … when we want to hit mainstream… the average user doens't want to know how it works ..
he want's to know that it works ... Guess most of paypal users don't know whats go behind the scenes ...
If i may ask.. which image language you would go with ?... Problem IMO is if you want it like it is .. completely technical …then you can't catch the *masses with it … they aren'T interested in this technical stuff ...
but thx for your input
c
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
We have tried to descibe / explain etc .. but if you have this in mind ... at this time also most users weren't happy with ..
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
if you think you know better what's needed, i'll assist you with design etc. no problem ... just said again ... it's allowed to build an own site/project to address this issues and explain it like you want ...
also we have wiki.bitshares.org IMO we should point to wiki .. cause this can be maintained by more then a hand full users ...
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Amazing job. Great work. On desktop PC, displays v well - however on mobile (Note 3 & iphone) the RHS of images are truncated. Background video image doesn't seem to load, plus the lighter header bar bleaches out the bitshares logo making it harder to read the top left Bitshares logo and the RHS top menu icon, and both their lettering.
The beach image with Lifebuoy is great, but should the word displayed be "Safety", to better match the image?
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
for this you have to ask which target groups we're trying to reach ... as said before … when we want to hit mainstream… the average user doens't want to know how it works ..
he want's to know that it works ... Guess most of paypal users don't know whats go behind the scenes ...
If i may ask.. which image language you would go with ?... Problem IMO is if you want it like it is .. completely technical …then you can't catch the *masses with it … they aren'T interested in this technical stuff ...
but thx for your input
c
I like the customer orientation. It is a good teaser to look further in the ressources section.
What could be done is: Have an extra link to the ressources in the about section? Something like: "BitShares uses blockchain technology, similar to what was pioneered by Bitcoin in 2009. If you want to learn more about the technology powering BitShares go to "Wiki", "Blog", ..."
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for this you have to ask which target groups we're trying to reach ... as said before … when we want to hit mainstream… the average user doens't want to know how it works ..
he want's to know that it works ... Guess most of paypal users don't know whats go behind the scenes ...
Is the average paypal user the target group?
I'm still trying to understand what we're trying to achieve with the website so that I can feedback if I think the website is effective.
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BitShares is trustworthy yet requires you trust no one.
Maybe my understanding of english is too german here, but doesn't this sentence actually mean "it is explicitly required that you trust no one, to use bitshares - so if you trust anyone it wont work?
I'll second that, shouldn't it be
BitShares is trustworthy yet [it] does not require you to trust anyone.
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@Rune: Let's register BitSharesTech.org and give the technical details there!
or maybe
- tech.bitshares.org
- info.bitshares.org
- intern.bitshares.org
- science.bitshares.org
- ......
As a "landing page" .. bitshares.org is fine (at least to me)
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
We have tried to descibe / explain etc .. but if you have this in mind ... at this time also most users weren't happy with ..
Why not use:
BitShares.
Bank on it,
trade on it,
save on it,
spend on it
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I don't like the background image of the Merchants page, kind of gloomy. Looks like Hong Kong before a Kaiju attack :D
(http://i.imgur.com/uxXTErZ.png)
but maybe you noticed bitUSD payment options ... and this all right before the Kaiju attack^^
Actually I didn't. My Firefox window was kept at a smaller size and it cut off the top part.
I want to know, how are the seemingly random images chosen. By your taste and bit of relation in meaning, or out of some deep psychological/marketing studies? For instance the image of the road in 'final' seems apt, but the mountain (is it Kanchenjunga?) on the next page doesn't seem to reinforce the meaning.
And what is it with starting the pages with defocussed crowd? Nxt.org starts with something similar; looks tacky to me but I guess the target base likes it.
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
for this you have to ask which target groups we're trying to reach ... as said before … when we want to hit mainstream… the average user doens't want to know how it works ..
he want's to know that it works ... Guess most of paypal users don't know whats go behind the scenes ...
If i may ask.. which image language you would go with ?... Problem IMO is if you want it like it is .. completely technical …then you can't catch the *masses with it … they aren'T interested in this technical stuff ...
but thx for your input
c
I think targeting mainstream users in the broadest sense is too premature, especially for downloading the full node, so I guess that's a point where we disagree on the general marketing direction, and thus my opinion may be of limited use. But especially if mainstream is the target, I think it would be so much better if there were just two simple sentences explaining 1) what the product is 2) how the reader can use the product. Right now the website expects readers to scroll down through a lot of large pictures, then asks people to get started by downloading a program, but it doesn't seem like it properly explains what downloading that program accomplishes. We should at least also explain that they need to go to an exchange and buy BTS or bitUSD to begin earning interest.
However, if I had to design the marketing strategy I think I would use bitshares.org as the place for technical users and bitcoin veterans to get a quick rundown of the specs and as a place to download the client and find exchanges in their country.
Mainstream targeting could be done directly by a bitAsset on-ramp such as getbitusd.com that focused on selling bitassets and letting users download a lightweight client or sign up for a hosted wallet, all in one simple funnel done on a single website.
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Really appreciate all the hard work! It's really looking great.
I really like the colour/branding/font of the Partners page http://bitshares.org/partners/
Could the blue-white-turquoise colouration be used throughout to link the areas together and improve legibility? Also, have you considered having the absolutely awesome BitShares symbol more prominent, revolving perhaps, at the beginning of the first page?
What BitShares is, is not coming across as well as it might if I imagine myself as a beginner....probably because it is so many things.
BitShares is...
software that you can run on your home computer
software that connects you to all the other people using the BitShares software
a network
a blockchain, which is both a record of the rules governing the interactions across the network and a record of those interactions
a unit of account within the network
a decentralized marketplace (or decentralized ledger) where people can exchange units of account
democratized money
collateral for other units of account
Bitshares software enables you to...
exchange units of account without having to trust a 3rd party
retain privacy levels of your choice
exchange units of account with whomever you choose, at any time, from anywhere with both the BitShares software and an internet connection
exchange units of account at very high speed
exchange units of account at very low cost
exchange units of account securely
hire network employees
fire network employees
create BitAssets, another unit of account which are derivatives of the BitShares unit of account that are pegged to other units of account (both physical & virtual)
create your own unit of account
Earn interest
BitShares represents...
Freedom
Security
Sovereignty
Resilience
Innovation
Trust in Blockchain, not people
Integrity
Vision
Community
Free markets
Just some thoughts.....
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I think targeting mainstream users in the broadest sense is too premature, especially for downloading the full node, so I guess that's a point where we disagree on the general marketing direction, and thus my opinion may be of limited use. But especially if mainstream is the target, I think it would be so much better if there were just two simple sentences explaining 1) what the product is 2) how the reader can use the product. Right now the website expects readers to scroll down through a lot of large pictures, then asks people to get started by downloading a program, but it doesn't seem like it properly explains what downloading that program accomplishes. We should at least also explain that they need to go to an exchange and buy BTS or bitUSD to begin earning interest.
However, if I had to design the marketing strategy I think I would use bitshares.org as the place for technical users and bitcoin veterans to get a quick rundown of the specs and as a place to download the client and find exchanges in their country.
Mainstream targeting could be done directly by a bitAsset on-ramp such as getbitusd.com that focused on selling bitassets and letting users download a lightweight client or sign up for a hosted wallet, all in one simple funnel done on a single website.
+1
Yes, yes, yes to everything here.
The design is very nice, but I don't know who it is for.
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
for this you have to ask which target groups we're trying to reach ... as said before … when we want to hit mainstream… the average user doens't want to know how it works ..
he want's to know that it works ... Guess most of paypal users don't know whats go behind the scenes ...
If i may ask.. which image language you would go with ?... Problem IMO is if you want it like it is .. completely technical …then you can't catch the *masses with it … they aren'T interested in this technical stuff ...
but thx for your input
c
I think targeting mainstream users in the broadest sense is too premature, especially for downloading the full node, so I guess that's a point where we disagree on the general marketing direction, and thus my opinion may be of limited use. But especially if mainstream is the target, I think it would be so much better if there were just two simple sentences explaining 1) what the product is 2) how the reader can use the product. Right now the website expects readers to scroll down through a lot of large pictures, then asks people to get started by downloading a program, but it doesn't seem like it properly explains what downloading that program accomplishes. We should at least also explain that they need to go to an exchange and buy BTS or bitUSD to begin earning interest.
However, if I had to design the marketing strategy I think I would use bitshares.org as the place for technical users and bitcoin veterans to get a quick rundown of the specs and as a place to download the client and find exchanges in their country.
Mainstream targeting could be done directly by a bitAsset on-ramp such as getbitusd.com that focused on selling bitassets and letting users download a lightweight client or sign up for a hosted wallet, all in one simple funnel done on a single website.
hehe yes agreed.. i'm searching for psot where i adivsed to create also one page scrollers for bitUSD etc.
But again this is jsut the base .. we want to create a howto page for non technical users and also more skilled .. the good one now is i can easily create all kind of page designs now really fast out of this base ...
So maybe it is a good idea, if you can provide me easy understandable content for what BitShares is and how to use it ... :)
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I think targeting mainstream users in the broadest sense is too premature, especially for downloading the full node, so I guess that's a point where we disagree on the general marketing direction, and thus my opinion may be of limited use. But especially if mainstream is the target, I think it would be so much better if there were just two simple sentences explaining 1) what the product is 2) how the reader can use the product. Right now the website expects readers to scroll down through a lot of large pictures, then asks people to get started by downloading a program, but it doesn't seem like it properly explains what downloading that program accomplishes. We should at least also explain that they need to go to an exchange and buy BTS or bitUSD to begin earning interest.
However, if I had to design the marketing strategy I think I would use bitshares.org as the place for technical users and bitcoin veterans to get a quick rundown of the specs and as a place to download the client and find exchanges in their country.
Mainstream targeting could be done directly by a bitAsset on-ramp such as getbitusd.com that focused on selling bitassets and letting users download a lightweight client or sign up for a hosted wallet, all in one simple funnel done on a single website.
+1
Yes, yes, yes to everything here.
The design is very nice, but I don't know who it is for.
Yup like the design, great work guys top notch quality. But it seems like there is something missing, once you go trough all the site. How about a section : "Getting started with Btishares" then will have 3 sections "Merchant" then one "User" and one section "Traders" and then a step by step how to use it for all types of users ?
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I think targeting mainstream users in the broadest sense is too premature, especially for downloading the full node, so I guess that's a point where we disagree on the general marketing direction, and thus my opinion may be of limited use. But especially if mainstream is the target, I think it would be so much better if there were just two simple sentences explaining 1) what the product is 2) how the reader can use the product. Right now the website expects readers to scroll down through a lot of large pictures, then asks people to get started by downloading a program, but it doesn't seem like it properly explains what downloading that program accomplishes. We should at least also explain that they need to go to an exchange and buy BTS or bitUSD to begin earning interest.
However, if I had to design the marketing strategy I think I would use bitshares.org as the place for technical users and bitcoin veterans to get a quick rundown of the specs and as a place to download the client and find exchanges in their country.
Mainstream targeting could be done directly by a bitAsset on-ramp such as getbitusd.com that focused on selling bitassets and letting users download a lightweight client or sign up for a hosted wallet, all in one simple funnel done on a single website.
+1
Yes, yes, yes to everything here.
The design is very nice, but I don't know who it is for.
Yup like the design, great work guys top notch quality. But it seems like there is something missing, once you go trough all the site. How about a section : "Getting started with Btishares" then will have 3 sections "Merchant" then one "User" and one section "Traders" and then a step by step how to use it for all types of users ?
yes this is then intend .. again this is the rough base ...
IMO ripple.com is a great example of right direction
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next step IMO is to create/prepare a lots of simple info gfx which explain the more complex content in an easy way....
Thank you all for your contructive Input ...
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https://ripple.com/knowledge-center/
i like this way to go ...
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
for this you have to ask which target groups we're trying to reach ... as said before … when we want to hit mainstream… the average user doens't want to know how it works ..
he want's to know that it works ... Guess most of paypal users don't know whats go behind the scenes ...
If i may ask.. which image language you would go with ?... Problem IMO is if you want it like it is .. completely technical …then you can't catch the *masses with it … they aren'T interested in this technical stuff ...
but thx for your input
c
No, Rune is absolutely correct. It's obvious you guys are trying to target my parents but the problem is my parents will never be interested in Bitshares unless I set up an account for them and explain what it is. You guys have your target audience completely wrong; you should be speaking to likely early adopters. As a marketer, if I send traffic to bitshares.org, there is no way it will convert into either wallet downloads or buyers because it fails to explain what the concept actually is in any meaningful way. It's just a mash of buzzwords. Be clear, not clever.
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what should i say... all i can say.. i got a briefing and then i developed how as i was briefed …
If you think you have a better way to get please do it… i'll assist as best as i can …
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
for this you have to ask which target groups we're trying to reach ... as said before … when we want to hit mainstream… the average user doens't want to know how it works ..
he want's to know that it works ... Guess most of paypal users don't know whats go behind the scenes ...
If i may ask.. which image language you would go with ?... Problem IMO is if you want it like it is .. completely technical …then you can't catch the *masses with it … they aren'T interested in this technical stuff ...
but thx for your input
c
No, Rune is absolutely correct. It's obvious you guys are trying to target my parents but the problem is my parents will never be interested in Bitshares unless I set up an account for them and explain what it is. You guys have your target audience completely wrong; you should be speaking to likely early adopters. As a marketer, if I send traffic to bitshares.org, there is no way it will convert into either wallet downloads or buyers because it fails to explain what the concept actually is in any meaningful way. It's just a mash of buzzwords. Be clear, not clever.
MeTHoDx maybe you help on this task to get the simple right message out there for more technical / less technical users …
Any help appreciated …
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what should i say... all i can say.. i got a briefing and then i developed how as i was briefed …
If you think you have a better way to get please do it… i'll assist as best as i can …
I'm not criticising you cass, your work has always been fantastic. I was just ranting on about the general marketing direction and I know that's not your responsibility. 8)
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MeTHoDx maybe you help on this task to get the simple right message out there for more technical / less technical users …
Any help appreciated …
I could help but I would just take things in a different direction at this point. Too many cooks in a kitchen...
To be perfectly honest, I have no idea how to get average users excited about Bitshares. The only thing that even comes close is interest on their savings but you can't overtly market that because of legal concerns. If it were up to me, I would heavily focus on early adopters and push the vision behind bitshares. It's the first ever p2p company on a blockchain... BitAssets are like bitcoin but without volatility.
The biggest thing holding Bitshares back is the "bring in the mainstream" attitude. While I totally get that's the end game; we want to go where Bitcoin didn't, it shouldn't be our starting point. The starting point should be explaining the Bitshares concept at a high level.
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I'm not criticising you cass, your work has always been fantastic. I was just ranting on about the general marketing direction and I know that's not your responsibility. 8)
+1
Yes, was assuming the OP, Brian Page, marketing director is choosing the marketing target and is in control of the message/content. Waiting to hear from him.
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Outstanding effort being put forth by Cass et al. Thank you :-).
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The design and feeling of the site is of course much better than the last one (I don't mean x-info)...
+5% for that.... But since I think we deserve(?) at least the second place in crypto world right now, I will be really happy only if we have a better site than our competitor...
https://ripple.com/
I will be honest and say that I wished bitshares had the site of ... ripple ... (I couldn't imagine something better than that, even the messages they deliver fit perfectly for us too))
On the other hand I suppose it has cost ripple much more funds than it has cost for us to do it.
So if the "value for money" indicator is better for us, I am perfectly ok with that ;)
PS are we going to have details about how much funds we needed to spend to have this done?
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I think BitShares has always been about the superior technology, not the marketing.
This crypto has a secret weapon that no other cyrpto has - user's can buy $1 worth of stable asset, resulting in $3 worth of the underlying shares being taken off the market. That's what will eventually drive up the market cap.
So isnt that what we should be focusing on? Making partnerships with companies that want to provide their customers with exposure to gold, silver (and even bitcoin). For example a company like Bitreserve wants to create stability by swapping their customer's Bitcoin for stable assets like gold and dollars. They could use BitAssets as the backend collateral.
Perhaps BitShares is more of a company-to-company kind of business as opposed to one that is instantly appealing to consumers.
You can look at every 2.0 project and find nice catchy looking websites. What we need are partnerships to harness the distinct advantage of BitShares.
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You can look at every 2.0 project and find nice catchy looking websites. What we need are partnerships to harness the distinct advantage of BitShares.
+5%
...but don't underestimate "marketing"
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If we were able to shows pictures of the wallet and demonstrate its benefits step by step while pointing to its features, this website would be a lot easier to create
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First thanks for working on the site to get this done.
It seems like you have a great amount of feed back so I will leave that to others as you have some good suggestions here.I did want to add the sizing is off on the main page when viewing in chrome on a google nexus phone, the N and D in Sound is cut off. The links display at the top but the text color and background color are to close to the same and its barley visible.
I only have one question, is Cass the only person actually working on the site? Let me clarify, is he the only one with hands on the keyboard, uploading and creating images and doing the coding?
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First thanks for working on the site to get this done.
It seems like you have a great amount of feed back so I will leave that to others as you have some good suggestions here.I did want to add the sizing is off on the main page when viewing in chrome on a google nexus phone, the N and D in Sound is cut off. The links display at the top but the text color and background color are to close to the same and its barley visible.
I only have one question, is Cass the only person actually working on the site? Let me clarify, is he the only one with hands on the keyboard, uploading and creating images and doing the coding?
It's a wordpress theme, so anyone can be given access to change the content. The coding is very minimal.
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I've missed this thread.
Parts of the letters are missing - win 8 64 , firefox 33.1.1 and chrome
Here is a screenshot:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4kdp2028g0llobw/bts.png?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/4kdp2028g0llobw/bts.png?dl=0)
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First thanks for working on the site to get this done.
It seems like you have a great amount of feed back so I will leave that to others as you have some good suggestions here.I did want to add the sizing is off on the main page when viewing in chrome on a google nexus phone, the N and D in Sound is cut off. The links display at the top but the text color and background color are to close to the same and its barley visible.
I only have one question, is Cass the only person actually working on the site? Let me clarify, is he the only one with hands on the keyboard, uploading and creating images and doing the coding?
It's a wordpress theme, so anyone can be given access to change the content. The coding is very minimal.
Thanks.
I am trying to understand why it took so long to get up and why its very unpolished given the amount of time it was worked on.
I don't mean for the statement to sound insulting.
I am guessing you can only put it together as quickly as you are given content?
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First thanks for working on the site to get this done.
It seems like you have a great amount of feed back so I will leave that to others as you have some good suggestions here.I did want to add the sizing is off on the main page when viewing in chrome on a google nexus phone, the N and D in Sound is cut off. The links display at the top but the text color and background color are to close to the same and its barley visible.
I only have one question, is Cass the only person actually working on the site? Let me clarify, is he the only one with hands on the keyboard, uploading and creating images and doing the coding?
It's a wordpress theme, so anyone can be given access to change the content. The coding is very minimal.
Yes you're right about that when you start ... but later on if you want to develop on top of this ... then more coding skills are needed ...
As everytime the main problem is time we not had… if you want to develop a wp theme with these possibilites to scale with the community…
you minimal need:
- min. 8-10 days screendesigns & revisions
- min. 8-10 days for implementing screendesigns and transforming into a theme (you have to develop both - front,- & backend of theme)
on a 1-2 man show…just said
...but due the new delegate programm and the possibilites, i'm hoping to see dozens of sites out there in a few weeks/month :)
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...but due the new delegate programm and the possibilites, i'm hoping to see dozens of sites out there in a few weeks/month
+5% since there is no invictus anymore. Anyone (those that run as paid delegates would have the ressources) can make a site and promote BitShares to an different target group and make money by being paid as a delegate.
I would LOVE to see Methodx doing that since he has great ideas and a solid practicable perspective on doing business!
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No, Rune is absolutely correct. It's obvious you guys are trying to target my parents but the problem is my parents will never be interested in Bitshares unless I set up an account for them and explain what it is. You guys have your target audience completely wrong; you should be speaking to likely early adopters. As a marketer, if I send traffic to bitshares.org, there is no way it will convert into either wallet downloads or buyers because it fails to explain what the concept actually is in any meaningful way. It's just a mash of buzzwords. Be clear, not clever.
I agree. I think at this point we need to target early adopters/more sophisticated audience. Overall the landing page looks good - nice and sleek, but let's provide early adopters with some more info.
Also I think we are completely missing another very important group - developers. BitShares is most advanced crypto platform, ultimate money API, let's communicate this better to developers. I would put DEVELOPERS link before MERCHANTS - we expect developers to build tools that would be used by merchants.
And probably there should be a special page targeting TRADERS, so we can have these links on top:
TRADERS MERCHANTS DEVELOPERS
each link leads to special landing page targeting this specific group.
So bitshares.org front page targets general audience, the one who can put himself into more specific category would click it on the top link to read information more specific to him. Or if marketing campaign targets specific group it can directly link to more specialized landing page.
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No, Rune is absolutely correct. It's obvious you guys are trying to target my parents but the problem is my parents will never be interested in Bitshares unless I set up an account for them and explain what it is. You guys have your target audience completely wrong; you should be speaking to likely early adopters. As a marketer, if I send traffic to bitshares.org, there is no way it will convert into either wallet downloads or buyers because it fails to explain what the concept actually is in any meaningful way. It's just a mash of buzzwords. Be clear, not clever.
I agree. I think at this point we need to target early adopters/more sophisticated audience. Overall the landing page looks good - nice and sleek, but let's provide early adopters with some more info.
Also I think we are completely missing another very important group - developers. BitShares is most advanced crypto platform, ultimate money API, let's communicate this better to developers. I would put DEVELOPERS link before MERCHANTS - we expect developers to build tools that would be used by merchants.
And probably there should be a special page targeting TRADERS, so we can have these links on top:
TRADERS MERCHANTS DEVELOPERS
each link leads to special landing page targeting this specific group.
So bitshares.org front page targets general audience, the one who can put himself into more specific category would click it on the top link to read information more specific to him. Or if marketing campaign targets specific group it can directly link to more specialized landing page.
Yes valzav developers are on our list!
They will get their own section like merchants and then with introduction on API etc. all stuff there!
This is just the beginning IMO …
pls check https://squareup.com and www.ripple.com
IMO if get it worked to combine those site concepts, from design point of view square and from then content point of view ripple ... then
we hit the goal…
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Great work Cass :)
I don't expect much to be changed, just giving my feedback...
My impression - The main part missing from all of it is the 'how', the 'what' content is also sometimes a bit unspecific.
I disagree with the full on mainstream angle but if they are going that route there should at least be a simple succinct 'how it works' page imo. The advantages of a blockchain are essentially the USP of BitShares. (I also asked a few friends what they thought and they said it was 'fine/good, a bit fluffy, fine as an intro but then needs to go into more detail.') - So the 'how it works' page could solve that.
Also most other services are provided by centralised, regulated companies and so it might be PR negative if you're seen to be advertising something similar to financial services without clearly disclosing/explaining that & how BitShares is different imo.
I would personally re-arrange the pages in this order...
1. Profitable - I would choose a different graphic, something that says profit more. I would also like to give them an idea of the interest, 'currently averaging % P.A'
2. Secure - Liked the wording, I would move the vault graphic from 'profitable' to here.
3. Low Cost - Didn't really like the wording nothing better springs to mind though.
4. Instant - Maybe specifically mention worldwide transaction times of 5-10 seconds.
5. Flexible - Fine, liked the graphic.
6. Limitless - Liked the graphic and content
Then a clear link to the 'How BitShares Works' page
The merchants list - (Cold, rainy street that's not that busy is a poor choice for main graphic imo, really bustling marketplace would be preferable.)
The rest of the content is good. I don't know if it's worth being blatantly clear somewhere, maybe under 'Your Business is your business' - 'With BitShares all your sales & income are completely private.' I would even put that at/nearer the top.
I know these things constantly change but again something specific about current transaction fees and average interest rates, perhaps updated weekly, gives people something specific to compare.
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Some great suggestions here.... give me and Cass some time to go through them and do some more edits/updates based on the feedback. B
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Would love to see a video on the front page of how it all works. I like the design, however, I'm still not sure what is Bitshares.
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First thanks for working on the site to get this done.
It seems like you have a great amount of feed back so I will leave that to others as you have some good suggestions here.I did want to add the sizing is off on the main page when viewing in chrome on a google nexus phone, the N and D in Sound is cut off. The links display at the top but the text color and background color are to close to the same and its barley visible.
I only have one question, is Cass the only person actually working on the site? Let me clarify, is he the only one with hands on the keyboard, uploading and creating images and doing the coding?
It's a wordpress theme, so anyone can be given access to change the content. The coding is very minimal.
Yes you're right about that when you start ... but later on if you want to develop on top of this ... then more coding skills are needed ...
As everytime the main problem is time we not had… if you want to develop a wp theme with these possibilites to scale with the community…
you minimal need:
- min. 8-10 days screendesigns & revisions
- min. 8-10 days for implementing screendesigns and transforming into a theme (you have to develop both - front,- & backend of theme)
on a 1-2 man show…just said
...but due the new delegate programm and the possibilites, i'm hoping to see dozens of sites out there in a few weeks/month :)
So are you supplied content by the marketing team? Were you given the 8-10 weeks lead time to put this together?
I ask this becuase bts merger was brought up on oct 19. Which by your time frame means you were given a impossible task from the start.
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Yes you're right about that when you start ... but later on if you want to develop on top of this ... then more coding skills are needed ...
As everytime the main problem is time we not had… if you want to develop a wp theme with these possibilites to scale with the community…
you minimal need:
- min. 8-10 days screendesigns & revisions
- min. 8-10 days for implementing screendesigns and transforming into a theme (you have to develop both - front,- & backend of theme)
on a 1-2 man show…just said
...but due the new delegate programm and the possibilites, i'm hoping to see dozens of sites out there in a few weeks/month :)
So are you supplied content by the marketing team? Were you given the 8-10 weeks lead time to put this together?
I ask this becuase bts merger was brought up on oct 19. Which by your time frame means you were given a impossible task from the start.
f*** my mistake oh no - i mean days ... sry man ... doh
edit: corrected on both my post and your quote ...
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+5% +5% +5% REmarkable, site looks great and feels great!
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I ran a crawl of the site and these popped up, minor stuff or e-relevant
(http://bitshares.org) Link Errors
Page, Error, Context, Referrer
"https://bitsharestalk.org/","The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel.","<a target=""_blank"" href=""https://bitsharestalk.org"">Forum</a>","http://bitshares.org/"
"https://bitsharestalk.org/Smileys/aaron/smiley.gif","The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel.","<img class=""smiley"" title=""Hi, apparently this text is editable."" src=""https://bitsharestalk.org/Smileys/aaron/smiley.gif"" alt="":)"">","http://bitshares.org/bitshares-the-platform/"
"https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/releases/download/v0.4.24/BitShares-v0.4.24.dmg","The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel.","<a href=""https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/releases/download/v0.4.24/BitShares-v0.4.24.dmg"" target=""_blank""><div class=""img-container""><img src=""http://bitshares.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/osx-icon.png"" alt=""BitShares for Mac OS X""></div></a>","http://bitshares.org/downloads/"
"https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/releases/download/v0.4.24/BitShares-v0.4.24.exe","The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel.","<a href=""https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/releases/download/v0.4.24/BitShares-v0.4.24.exe"" target=""_blank""><div class=""img-container""><img src=""http://bitshares.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/win-icon.png"" alt=""BitShares for Windows 32-bit""></div></a>","http://bitshares.org/downloads/"
"https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6277.msg83830","The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel.","<a href=""https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6277.msg83830#msg83830"">https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6277.msg83830#msg83830</a>","http://bitshares.org/general-warning/"
"http://coinport.com/trade","404 - File Not Found","<a href=""http://coinport.com/trade#/BTSX-BTC"" target=""_blank"" style=""-webkit-background-size: 70%; -moz-background-size: 70%; background-size: 70%;background-image:url(http://bitshares.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/partner_gr__0002_partner-coiport.png); ""><img src=""http://bitshares.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/partner_gr__0002_partner-coiport.png"" title="""" style=""max-width:70% !important; max-height:70% !important;"" alt=""coinport""><span class=""logooos_effectspan""></span></a>","http://bitshares.org/partners/"
"https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/bitsharesx/btc/30_days","The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel.","<a class=""external external_icon"" href=""https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/bitsharesx/btc/30_days"" target=""_blank"" rel=""nofollow"">CoinGecko</a>","http://bitshares.org/press/"
"http://connect.facebook.net/","404 - File Not Found","//connect.facebook.net/","http://bitshares.org/wp-content/themes/thestory/js/main.js?ver=1.4.0"
"http://widgets.digg.com/buttons.js","404 - File Not Found","//widgets.digg.com/buttons.js","http://bitshares.org/wp-content/themes/thestory/js/main.js?ver=1.4.0"
"http://bitshares.org/wp-content/themes/images/ajax-loader-small2.gif","404 - File Not Found","url('../images/ajax-loader-small2.gif')","http://bitshares.org/wp-content/themes/thestory/style.css"
"http://bitshares.org/wp-content/themes/thestory/images/arrow-small-n@2x.png","404 - File Not Found","url(images/arrow-small-n@2x.png)","http://bitshares.org/wp-content/themes/thestory/style.css"
"http://bitshares.org/wp-content/themes/thestory/images/arrow-small-p@2x.png","404 - File Not Found","url(images/arrow-small-p@2x.png)","http://bitshares.org/wp-content/themes/thestory/style.css"
"https://ybitcoin.com/","The request was aborted: Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel.","(Redirect)","http://ybitcoin.net/"
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Yes you're right about that when you start ... but later on if you want to develop on top of this ... then more coding skills are needed ...
As everytime the main problem is time we not had… if you want to develop a wp theme with these possibilites to scale with the community…
you minimal need:
- min. 8-10 days screendesigns & revisions
- min. 8-10 days for implementing screendesigns and transforming into a theme (you have to develop both - front,- & backend of theme)
on a 1-2 man show…just said
...but due the new delegate programm and the possibilites, i'm hoping to see dozens of sites out there in a few weeks/month :)
So are you supplied content by the marketing team? Were you given the 8-10 weeks lead time to put this together?
I ask this becuase bts merger was brought up on oct 19. Which by your time frame means you were given a impossible task from the start.
f*** my mistake oh no - i mean days ... sry man ... doh
edit: corrected on both my post and your quote ...
lol I don't even notice it was a mistake, I was just going to take your word thats how long it took.
So 20 days is a rough time frame to build a site.
Thats really pretty good and explains alot.
I saw you had a thread posted asking to get your on forum subsection where you can go to get a clear take of peoples ideas, quickly and easily. Hopefully one of the mods will listen and create this for you as it can only help you complete your tasks. I tried to get in touch with bitsappphire about a week ago but I met with no success. I hope your plea does not fall on deaf ears.
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I had an idea for a way to keep the emotional selling propositions, but also have some real details on the introductory pages. How about with every scroll, in addition to the buzzword text there's also a "fact box" with some technical information pertaining to that selling point? It will create more clutter, but it might help customers feel like they're dealing with a real product. Perhaps it is worth a try. This is my ideas for how the frontpage could be done, keeping the current style and pictures. I'm not satisfied with the text I've come up with, but I still think it's better than the current text (which also feels unfinished). Perhaps someone could improve on this further?
A global revolution in online banking.
Bitshares allows everyone to manage their money on the internet using the worlds most secure software.
FLEXIBLE
Save and send any currency or asset you want. USD, CNY, Gold and everything else.
LOW COST
Eliminating the middlemen allows Bitshares to give you the cheapest global transfer the world has ever seen.
Fact: Sending money to anyone, anywhere with bitshares costs less than 10 cents.
INSTANT
Finally there's something that actually feels like cash on the internet. Try it once and you'll never want to send your money any other way.
Fact: A Bitshares transaction takes at most 10 seconds to arrive.
PROFITABLE
Earn interest on your savings. Using Bitshares pays off!
Fact: Estimated USD yield per year: x% / estimated CNY yield per year: x% / estimated Gold yield per year: x%.
SECURE
Bitshares is the worlds most secure place to store your hard earned money. Your funds can never be seized or frozen, and no one other than you can control them.
Fact: Bitshares is secured with unbeatable cryptography, and every asset is backed by 300% of its value in collatoral.
LIMITLESS
Send any amount, any time, anywhere.
Save in any asset knowing your money will always be safe.
Download Bitshares and get started instantly!
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No, Rune is absolutely correct. It's obvious you guys are trying to target my parents but the problem is my parents will never be interested in Bitshares unless I set up an account for them and explain what it is. You guys have your target audience completely wrong; you should be speaking to likely early adopters. As a marketer, if I send traffic to bitshares.org, there is no way it will convert into either wallet downloads or buyers because it fails to explain what the concept actually is in any meaningful way. It's just a mash of buzzwords. Be clear, not clever.
I agree. I think at this point we need to target early adopters/more sophisticated audience. Overall the landing page looks good - nice and sleek, but let's provide early adopters with some more info.
Also I think we are completely missing another very important group - developers. BitShares is most advanced crypto platform, ultimate money API, let's communicate this better to developers. I would put DEVELOPERS link before MERCHANTS - we expect developers to build tools that would be used by merchants.
And probably there should be a special page targeting TRADERS, so we can have these links on top:
TRADERS MERCHANTS DEVELOPERS
each link leads to special landing page targeting this specific group.
So bitshares.org front page targets general audience, the one who can put himself into more specific category would click it on the top link to read information more specific to him. Or if marketing campaign targets specific group it can directly link to more specialized landing page.
Oh I really love this idea. It could go on the front page as well, bitshares is ALWAYS ready to hire the best in the industry to help improve the product. Our product is the best, because our developers are the best.
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
I feel the same way.
The UI looks nice enough but there's no clear explanation as to what BitShares is. I'd much rather have content then flashy pictures that don't have anything to do with the product. There is no clear target audience here. I'd go so far as to say their is no target audience at all. If I didn't already know about BitShares I would only be more confused after going to this site. The focus should be the software; that is the deliverable. Without the software it's nothing but idealism.
Check out bitreserve.org and use their messaging as a starting point.
Bitreserve is basically a centralized version of BitShares. They currently have $7mil in funding (seeking $10mil more) so I assume they have a much larger and better funded marketing team. Use their messaging as an example. Let their marketing dollars work for BitShares.
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I had an idea for a way to keep the emotional selling propositions, but also have some real details on the introductory pages. How about with every scroll, in addition to the buzzword text there's also a "fact box" with some technical information pertaining to that selling point? It will create more clutter, but it might help customers feel like they're dealing with a real product. Perhaps it is worth a try. This is my ideas for how the frontpage could be done, keeping the current style and pictures. I'm not satisfied with the text I've come up with, but I still think it's better than the current text (which also feels unfinished). Perhaps someone could improve on this further?
A global revolution in online banking.
Bitshares allows everyone to manage their money on the internet using the worlds most secure software.
FLEXIBLE
Save and send any currency or asset you want. USD, CNY, Gold and everything else.
LOW COST
Eliminating the middlemen allows Bitshares to give you the cheapest global transfer the world has ever seen.
Fact: Sending money to anyone, anywhere with bitshares costs less than 10 cents.
INSTANT
Finally there's something that actually feels like cash on the internet. Try it once and you'll never want to send your money any other way.
Fact: A Bitshares transaction takes at most 10 seconds to arrive.
PROFITABLE
Earn interest on your savings. Using Bitshares pays off!
Fact: Estimated USD yield per year: x% / estimated CNY yield per year: x% / estimated Gold yield per year: x%.
SECURE
Bitshares is the worlds most secure place to store your hard earned money. Your funds can never be seized or frozen, and no one other than you can control them.
Fact: Bitshares is secured with unbeatable cryptography, and every asset is backed by 300% of its value in collatoral.
LIMITLESS
Send any amount, any time, anywhere.
Save in any asset knowing your money will always be safe.
Download Bitshares and get started instantly!
I like it. +1
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Going to give my honest feedback. Not happy with this. Its exactly as i feared; people who go on this site will have no idea what bitshares actually is, and all they'll see are emotionally loaded words instead of any real explanation or description.
I especially don't like the headline. Why not just have the name first, then put the buzzwords underneath? Verbing the product name just seems so tacky and forced.
Also the answer to the tagline question is going to be "because I have no clue what bitshare means". If you want to have a cheeky question like this then it should at least be at the bottom, after a proper description.
The pictures have no relation to the product either, other than showing some computers. Some people might be able to guess that this is a sell page for software but many will get to the bottom and still have zero clue what the entire thing is for.
for this you have to ask which target groups we're trying to reach ... as said before … when we want to hit mainstream… the average user doens't want to know how it works ..
he want's to know that it works ... Guess most of paypal users don't know whats go behind the scenes ...
If i may ask.. which image language you would go with ?... Problem IMO is if you want it like it is .. completely technical …then you can't catch the *masses with it … they aren'T interested in this technical stuff ...
but thx for your input
c
No, Rune is absolutely correct. It's obvious you guys are trying to target my parents but the problem is my parents will never be interested in Bitshares unless I set up an account for them and explain what it is. You guys have your target audience completely wrong; you should be speaking to likely early adopters. As a marketer, if I send traffic to bitshares.org, there is no way it will convert into either wallet downloads or buyers because it fails to explain what the concept actually is in any meaningful way. It's just a mash of buzzwords. Be clear, not clever.
+5%
I could not agree more. This is a slick looking brochure that achieves pretty much nothing.
Example:
"Low cost
How do you avoid a swarm of killer fees?
Eliminate the middle men, overhead and bloated profits of traditional banks. Truly buzzworthy."
What does that mean? What is the point?
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thx all for your input… we are discussing all ideas now ... but i pls stay tuned next days...
i'll discussing with devs the content for dev section, like API etc... next days,
so we can get multistage content direction asap …
TRADERS MERCHANTS DEVELOPERS
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cass,
Can you add click functionality to the down arrow on the front page?
It looks like it can be clicked to scroll down.
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...but due the new delegate programm and the possibilites, i'm hoping to see dozens of sites out there in a few weeks/month
+5% since there is no invictus anymore. Anyone (those that run as paid delegates would have the ressources) can make a site and promote BitShares to an different target group and make money by being paid as a delegate.
I would LOVE to see Methodx doing that since he has great ideas and a solid practicable perspective on doing business!
Bitshares may be novel ground but how can dozens of potentially conflicting messages be anything but confusing and damaging? I'm interested to know if such a strategy has ever worked successfully?
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The home page has formatting and readibility issues. Screenshots below.
Firefox 33 on Windows 7:
(http://imgur.com/61VqAJh.png)
Firefox 28 on Android 4.4.2
(http://i.imgur.com/69re5iX.png)
EDIT: Images now posted.
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Mobile Responsive is def important for SEO. The smaller the site file is the better. Speed of loading site is equally important.
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Good work.
I feel, that the developer/implementor (Cass) should not be in the front-line answering questions as to content/direction and defending choices made in the brief.
Agree with other comments, that the site seems to be pitched at a user that doesn't yet exist and probably won't for some-time.
To draw a comparison - Bitcoin didn't become dominant by being pitched at your grandmother.
Instead it expanded it's user base outwards from crypto-roots to early-adopters to tech-savy younger people, while benefiting from a growing network effects on forums/reddit/twitter.
At the moment I feel it's all very opaque.
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Good work.
I feel, that the developer/implementor (Cass) should not be in the front-line answering questions as to content/direction and defending choices made in the brief.
Agree with other comments, that the site seems to be pitched at a user that doesn't yet exist and probably won't for some-time.
To draw a comparison - Bitcoin didn't become dominant by being pitched at your grandmother.
Instead it expanded it's user base outwards from crypto-roots to early-adopters to tech-savy younger people, while benefiting from a growing network effects on forums/reddit/twitter.
At the moment I feel it's all very opaque.
The Ripple website does a good job of what we're trying to achieve.
https://ripple.com/
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Good work.
I feel, that the developer/implementor (Cass) should not be in the front-line answering questions as to content/direction and defending choices made in the brief.
Agree with other comments, that the site seems to be pitched at a user that doesn't yet exist and probably won't for some-time.
To draw a comparison - Bitcoin didn't become dominant by being pitched at your grandmother.
Instead it expanded it's user base outwards from crypto-roots to early-adopters to tech-savy younger people, while benefiting from a growing network effects on forums/reddit/twitter.
At the moment I feel it's all very opaque.
The Ripple website does a good job of what we're trying to achieve.
https://ripple.com/
+5%, ripple hits the sweet spot between vague feel-good language and an actual description of the value prop.
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If we're talking about websites to emulate, check out dwolla:
https://www.dwolla.com/
Love that the call to action button is right there at the very beginning, along with a super condensed pitch.
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If we're talking about websites to emulate, check out dwolla:
https://www.dwolla.com/
Love that the call to action button is right there at the very beginning, along with a super condensed pitch.
I love that there main selling point is $0.25 per transaction and that BTS undercuts that by a lot :)
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If we're talking about websites to emulate, check out dwolla:
https://www.dwolla.com/
Love that the call to action button is right there at the very beginning, along with a super condensed pitch.
I love that there main selling point is $0.25 per transaction and that BTS undercuts that by a lot :)
A taste of dwolla and Ripple's design aproach into our site would add the polish... big time.
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I think a video on the homepage would go a long way.
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Our transaction fee is pennies and our speed is 10 seconds.
Really there is nothing out there that beats our stats.
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Why not emulate the language of https://bitreserve.org/ ?
It's the closest thing to BitShares that currently exists.
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Why not emulate the language of https://bitreserve.org/ ?
It's the closest thing to BitShares that currently exists.
Great find! Earlier today Dan described his proposed changes almost exactly like that
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Mobile Responsive is def important for SEO. The smaller the site file is the better. Speed of loading site is equally important.
SEO is a non-issue. Mobile optimization and speed is important if you're targeting long-tail keywords. When people search for "bitshares", bitshares.org will always be the first result in Google.
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Why not emulate the language of https://bitreserve.org/ ?
It's the closest thing to BitShares that currently exists.
Great find! Earlier today Dan described his proposed changes almost exactly like that
After Shapeshift.io integrates BTS and BitUSD (as well as other BitAssets), the functionality that Bitreserve offers could be replicated exactly.
Bitcoin deposit addresses for representative currencies can be launched as a web service for buying BitAssets for your BitShares wallet.
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Mobile Responsive is def important for SEO. The smaller the site file is the better. Speed of loading site is equally important.
SEO is a non-issue. Mobile optimization and speed is important if you're targeting long-tail keywords. When people search for "bitshares", bitshares.org will always be the first result in Google.
I would hope that the sum total of the SEO strategy for bitshares.org isn't to rank first for 'bitshares'. Ranking first page for 'bitcoin' would be a far loftier goal that surely would pay dividends.
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I think a video on the homepage would go a long way.
This poster was asking about an updated video:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11563.0
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Mobile Responsive is def important for SEO. The smaller the site file is the better. Speed of loading site is equally important.
SEO is a non-issue. Mobile optimization and speed is important if you're targeting long-tail keywords. When people search for "bitshares", bitshares.org will always be the first result in Google.
I would hope that the sum total of the SEO strategy for bitshares.org isn't to rank first for 'bitshares'. Ranking first page for 'bitcoin' would be a far loftier goal that surely would pay dividends.
Average monthly search volume for "bitshares" = 1,300
Average monthly search volume for "bitcoin" = 823,000
Average monthly search volume for "bank" = 301,000
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Those that have been around the past year know that this is something like version 6 or 7 of the website, if you are interested to see version 3 try this...
Do a Google search for "Dan Larimer"
The real bitshares.org does not rank in the top 100, but version 3 of the website is in the top 5!!!
http://v3.bitshares.org/team/daniel-larimer.php
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"Bitshares" search term:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitshares
I love google trends as it can give you really good information.
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BitShares is trustworthy yet requires you trust no one.
Maybe my understanding of english is too german here, but doesn't this sentence actually mean "it is explicitly required that you trust no one, to use bitshares - so if you trust anyone it wont work?
I'll second that, shouldn't it be
BitShares is trustworthy yet [it] does not require you to trust anyone.
+5%
"BitShares is trustworthy, yet it doesn't ( or Does Not) require you to trust anyone."
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Another thing that kinda made me go... Huh?... was the "Secure" section and the "Profit" section.
For "Profit" there's the photo of a Money Safe (Vault)?
For "Secure" there's the photo of a beach with Life Guard ring?
IMO the photos contradict the message, especially the "Profit" section showing a vault for the photo. How does a vault create profit?
I can kind of see the connection of the "Secure" message w/Life ring... but I think a better representation would be something like a computer w/ a bunch of chains and a pad lock around it (or something to that effect).
Other than those couple things I think the website looks A1 top notch :D
Great job!!!
+5%
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Another thing that kinda made me go... Huh?... was the "Secure" section and the "Profit" section.
For "Profit" there's the photo of a Money Safe (Vault)?
For "Secure" there's the photo of a beach with Life Guard ring?
IMO the photos contradict the message, especially the "Profit" section showing a vault for the photo. How does a vault create profit?
I can kind of see the connection of the "Secure" message w/Life ring... but I think a better representation would be something like a computer w/ a bunch of chains and a pad lock around it (or something to that effect).
Other than those couple things I think the website looks A1 top notch :D
Great job!!!
+5%
+5%
Same thoughts for me...
The life Guard ring is hilarious ... It makes me feel I am on the Titanic and I will need it any time soon!
... it makes me to imagine that it will be whatever will be left... after the boats sink.... CHANGE IT ASAP!
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Random comment: New version of wallet is downloading at 20kb/s from github.. Is it that slow, or is it just me? 20 min will deter a lot of people
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Wondering if the text would stand out more if the background photos were blurred slightly.
just a thought. Great job guys.
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For "Profit" there's the photo of a Money Safe (Vault)?
For "Secure" there's the photo of a beach with Life Guard ring?
Definitely for "Secure" you must use the safe-vault you used for "profit"
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thx all for your input… we are discussing all ideas now ... but i pls stay tuned next days...
i'll discussing with devs the content for dev section, like API etc... next days,
so we can get multistage content direction asap …
TRADERS MERCHANTS DEVELOPERS
I really like the TRADERS MERCHANTS DEVELOPERS landing page idea. Don't be afraid of taking up too much menu space - the more I know about the actors in the system, the quicker I can evaluate it. There should also be a Menu item for CUSTOMERS or INVESTORS or SAVERS or something that the average bitAsset user (who wants no part in risky activity) can identify with. A How it Works section can then tie together each actors role into a clearer picture.
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Will add a BTS price index&chart on the front page help to make our site more than a banking related concept? Do you think valid to viewers?
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Why does the Download page have a 32bit and a 64bit windows download ... both pointing to THE SAME exe download file?
Can we have a SOURCES link to github there instead?!
PS: main menu has MUCH better contrast now!! +5%
problem with source links to github is chinese slow loading problem (have to address this issue later on) etc. i'm uploading wallet files directly to .org and then publish also sha1 etc.
Good. Have it done?
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Those that have been around the past year know that this is something like version 6 or 7 of the website, if you are interested to see version 3 try this...
Do a Google search for "Dan Larimer"
The real bitshares.org does not rank in the top 100, but version 3 of the website is in the top 5!!!
http://v3.bitshares.org/team/daniel-larimer.php
Found another version of the website...
@MktDirector, @cass
You may want the website design firm that is hosting this to remove it from their server, some of the information - notably the FAQ page - is outdated http://bitshares.thecreativemomentum.com/about/faqs/
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Those that have been around the past year know that this is something like version 6 or 7 of the website, if you are interested to see version 3 try this...
Do a Google search for "Dan Larimer"
The real bitshares.org does not rank in the top 100, but version 3 of the website is in the top 5!!!
http://v3.bitshares.org/team/daniel-larimer.php
Found another version of the website...
@MktDirector, @cass
You may want the website design firm that is hosting this to remove it from their server, some of the information - notably the FAQ page - is outdated http://bitshares.thecreativemomentum.com/about/faqs/
thx yes i advised several times to deactivate these sites ...
i don'T have access to these domains ... will ask again on skype groups...
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Why does the Download page have a 32bit and a 64bit windows download ... both pointing to THE SAME exe download file?
Can we have a SOURCES link to github there instead?!
PS: main menu has MUCH better contrast now!! +5%
problem with source links to github is chinese slow loading problem (have to address this issue later on) etc. i'm uploading wallet files directly to .org and then publish also sha1 etc.
Good. Have it done?
yup
http://bitshares.org/downloads/
http://bitshares.org/download/client/BitShares-v0.4.24.exe
http://bitshares.org/download/client/BitShares-v0.4.24.dmg
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Why does the Download page have a 32bit and a 64bit windows download ... both pointing to THE SAME exe download file?
Can we have a SOURCES link to github there instead?!
PS: main menu has MUCH better contrast now!! +5%
problem with source links to github is chinese slow loading problem (have to address this issue later on) etc. i'm uploading wallet files directly to .org and then publish also sha1 etc.
Good. Have it done?
yup
http://bitshares.org/downloads/
http://bitshares.org/download/client/BitShares-v0.4.24.exe
http://bitshares.org/download/client/BitShares-v0.4.24.dmg
Windows installer is unified now and will install 32 bit version or 64 bit version depending on your system. Unnecessary to mention bitness to the users.
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Why does the Download page have a 32bit and a 64bit windows download ... both pointing to THE SAME exe download file?
Can we have a SOURCES link to github there instead?!
PS: main menu has MUCH better contrast now!! +5%
problem with source links to github is chinese slow loading problem (have to address this issue later on) etc. i'm uploading wallet files directly to .org and then publish also sha1 etc.
Good. Have it done?
yup
http://bitshares.org/downloads/
http://bitshares.org/download/client/BitShares-v0.4.24.exe
http://bitshares.org/download/client/BitShares-v0.4.24.dmg
Windows installer is unified now and will install 32 bit version or 64 bit version depending on your system. Unnecessary to mention bitness to the users.
ok thx for info
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Another sweet example for a (IMHO) good overview
http://bravenewcoin.com/bitcoin-basics/about-bitcoin/
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What's the status om updating the website so we can begin pointing leads to it?
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sorry to nitpick but was any consensus reached on the phrasing of:
"BitShares is trustworthy yet requires you trust no one"
it just feels like a forced sentence (I have to add I am not a native english speaker), it seems a bit negative (as in TRUST NO ONE!) and it gives a feeling of 'how do I have to interpret this' which should not be the case with these 'catchphrases'.
Can it not be rephrased more in the line of:
Bitshares is trustworthy and/yet does not require you to trust anyone...
I do like the other catchphrases!
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sorry to nitpick but was any consensus reached on the phrasing of:
"BitShares is trustworthy yet requires you trust no one"
it just feels like a forced sentence (I have to add I am not a native english speaker), it seems a bit negative (as in TRUST NO ONE!) and it gives a feeling of 'how do I have to interpret this' which should not be the case with these 'catchphrases'.
Can it not be rephrased more in the line of:
Bitshares is trustworthy and/yet does not require you to trust anyone...
I do like the other catchphrases!
I hope all the text will be changed. The way it is now is not presentable, the headline is especially bad.
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Hey team.
So most of the usability/error edits have been looked over and are in the process of being fixed now. Thank you for letting us know what they are.
As far as the target audience and message of the site (something a lot of people mentioned), the concept for the new site was gone over at length with Bytemaster and other members of the core team in VA before we began working on it, and it was decided that the main target market would be primarily individual users and merchants.
It was also discussed that the site would be simpler and focused on benefits/features of the core product only (BitShares). As you can see, we stripped away a LOT of the old content from the site and aimed to make BitShares much simpler than it was before with only one core service and a lot less side "products."
With that being said, Agreed - we need more content and fleshing out of the description of what BitShares is, and we're working on that now. (We are discussing a video as a possibility). Some of your suggestions on additional content/explanation are awesome. I've reached out directly to a few of you today, to ask permission to use some of your ideas and words on the site. This week we'll aiming to get that done....
Please revisit the site this weekend, and then post up new ideas or feedback as you think of them. Keep in mind, we can't incorporate every single idea or suggestion, but we are definitely seeing the site through all of your eyes and taking the feedback to heart. BitShares.org will never "arrive" at perfection, but will be a continual work of improvement.
Thanks and keep the ideas coming.... B
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Hey team.
So most of the usability/error edits have been looked over and are in the process of being fixed now. Thank you for letting us know what they are.
As far as the target audience and message of the site (something a lot of people mentioned), the concept for the new site was gone over at length with Bytemaster and other members of the core team in VA before we began working on it, and it was decided that the main target market would be primarily individual users and merchants.
It was also discussed that the site would be simpler and focused on benefits/features of the core product only (BitShares). As you can see, we stripped away a LOT of the old content from the site and aimed to make BitShares much simpler than it was before with only one core service and a lot less side "products."
With that being said, Agreed - we need more content and fleshing out of the description of what BitShares is, and we're working on that now. (We are discussing a video as a possibility). Some of your suggestions on additional content/explanation are awesome. I've reached out directly to a few of you today, to ask permission to use some of your ideas and words on the site. This week we'll aiming to get that done....
Please revisit the site this weekend, and then post up new ideas or feedback as you think of them. Keep in mind, we can't incorporate every single idea or suggestion, but we are definitely seeing the site through all of your eyes and taking the feedback to heart. BitShares.org will never "arrive" at perfection, but will be a continual work of improvement.
Thanks and keep the ideas coming.... B
Brian and Cass and team, I think the site looks terrific. Work in progress, but it's a big big improvement. You guys deserve our thanks.
Question: It's important to have a core identity. But would it be possible to have different landing sites or page destinations for different funnels and target groups?
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Yes, certainly. We have another site that will be just for complete newbies that Murderistic and team are working on. So, yes, there will be separate "funnel" sites that are very targeted to specific niches.... bitshares.org is primarily an information/brand/and identity site, not primarily a marketing site. Just keep that in mind. Will be sharing the other site once it's up...murderistic may be able to give some ideas/input on this as well..... b
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(We are discussing a video as a possibility)
Brian,
I think that a video would be an excellent idea. People are very visual and you only have so much time to capture their attention. People will not read 20 pages to understand the concept but they will watch a video.
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IIRC someone said that the marketing team has some 9+ videos in the queue already ..
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@cass .. the "NEWS" link does not have the nice bar/underline showing up on hover ... is that just here or on purpose?
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@cass .. the "NEWS" link does not have the nice bar/underline showing up on hover ... is that just here or on purpose?
ff and linux, right? :) works for me ... any other have same issue, pls let me know ...
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Great site.....there needs to be a download link for linux.......I only saw Windows and Mac
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Another great looking site.
http://test.casheer.net/
Within a few seconds, I know what's going on with the product.
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Great design!
Here is my input:
What is the marketing function of the website? To drive Downloads?
If that is the goal, you did it well.
I think a valuable thing to think about is lead generation. Maybe after the download page you can offer something of value(BTS, ebook, video serie, shareholder newsletter) in exchange for their email adress.
Building an email list to communicate with the community would be valuable. With that marketing asset, you could build a better glue in the shareholder community, the dev community, drive traffic to new videos, etc.
On the internet, email is still king.
Keep up the good work. +5%
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Mobile Responsive is def important for SEO. The smaller the site file is the better. Speed of loading site is equally important.
SEO is a non-issue. Mobile optimization and speed is important if you're targeting long-tail keywords. When people search for "bitshares", bitshares.org will always be the first result in Google.
Site load speed is one of the top on site factors for ranking factors according to numerous analysis reports regardless of long tail or short tail.
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Another great looking site.
http://test.casheer.net/
Within a few seconds, I know what's going on with the product.
Would like to hear some comments on this site's approach.
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Mobile Responsive is def important for SEO. The smaller the site file is the better. Speed of loading site is equally important.
SEO is a non-issue. Mobile optimization and speed is important if you're targeting long-tail keywords. When people search for "bitshares", bitshares.org will always be the first result in Google.
Site load speed is one of the top on site factors for ranking factors according to numerous analysis reports regardless of long tail or short tail.
SEO for bitShares is irrelevant. The only keywords that matter are 'bitshares', 'bitusd' and 'bitgold'. Even if you do manage to rank for keywords such as "online banking" (which won't happen after panda and penguin) you won't get a conversion event from it. What keywords are you trying to rank for and why?
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Should we move the 'DOWNLOAD' menu item to the first spot?
MERCHANTS
NEWS
TV
BLOG
DOWNLOAD
MORE…
Currently it follows two menu links - NEWS and TV that take you to external sites - with no easy way to return to BitShares.org, I think DOWNLOAD should come before MERCHANTS.
Also, the BitShares FAQ http://bitshares.org/faq/ page which is prominently displayed on R/BitShares FAQ http://www.reddit.com/r/BitShares/comments/2edvtk/rbitshares_faq_newcomers_please_read/ is nowhere to be found via the BitShares.org site menu, most likely because it is so out of date. It should probably be updated and linked to in the menu, or if the wiki etc. is better for this sort of thing maybe it should be removed altogether. Considering it is the first hit on Google for BitShares FAQ, it would probably be best to have it updated and incorporated into the MORE area of the menu.
btw, @xeroc on your R/BitShares FAQ you link to the outdated Fee Flow image (BTSX), there is a more recent one somewhere.
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Should we move the 'DOWNLOAD' menu item to the first spot?
MERCHANTS
NEWS
TV
BLOG
DOWNLOAD
MORE…
Currently it follows two menu links - NEWS and TV that take you to external sites - with no easy way to return to BitShares.org, I think DOWNLOAD should come before MERCHANTS.
Also, the BitShares FAQ http://bitshares.org/faq/ page which is prominently displayed on R/BitShares FAQ http://www.reddit.com/r/BitShares/comments/2edvtk/rbitshares_faq_newcomers_please_read/ is nowhere to be found via the BitShares.org site menu, most likely because it is so out of date. It should probably be updated and linked to in the menu, or if the wiki etc. is better for this sort of thing maybe it should be removed altogether. Considering it is the first hit on Google for BitShares FAQ, it would probably be best to have it updated and incorporated into the MORE area of the menu.
btw, @xeroc on your R/BitShares FAQ you link to the outdated Fee Flow image (BTSX), there is a more recent one somewhere.
site will completely get redefined! Pls join the discussion on nullstreet ... Method-x is in charge of new site now ...
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Where are the great animated home page we had "Safe Secure Sound" ?
any feedback why it is removed? ( @cass )
http://bitshares.org/
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Where are the great animated home page we had "Safe Secure Sound" ?
any feedback why it is removed? ( @cass )
http://bitshares.org/
discussed with toast to disable it, cause we're thinking most of users don't like this frontpage^^
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Where are the great animated home page we had "Safe Secure Sound" ?
any feedback why it is removed? ( @cass )
http://bitshares.org/
discussed with toast to disable it, cause we're thinking most of users don't like this frontpage^^
Well maybe you guys are thinking not like the majority of users... How can we know that your thinking is matched with the majority of users?
Why don't you ask the forum members before changes like that? Make a poll first here to have a right feeling! Maybe it was not the best home page in existence but it was great and much better than the current one... but maybe I am wrong ... and you are right... but I would take feedback first from this community and would not ignore them! Make a poll and act accordingly please.
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Where are the great animated home page we had "Safe Secure Sound" ?
any feedback why it is removed? ( @cass )
http://bitshares.org/
discussed with toast to disable it, cause we're thinking most of users don't like this frontpage^^
Well maybe you guys are thinking not like the majority of users... How can we know that your thinking is matched with the majority of users?
Why don't you ask the forum members before changes like that? Make a poll first here to have a right feeling! Maybe it was not the best home page in existence but it was great and much better than the current one... but maybe I am wrong ... and you are right... but I would take feedback first from this community and would not ignore them! Make a poll and act accordingly please.
Happy new year
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Where are the great animated home page we had "Safe Secure Sound" ?
any feedback why it is removed? ( @cass )
http://bitshares.org/
discussed with toast to disable it, cause we're thinking most of users don't like this frontpage^^
Well maybe you guys are thinking not like the majority of users... How can we know that your thinking is matched with the majority of users?
Why don't you ask the forum members before changes like that? Make a poll first here to have a right feeling! Maybe it was not the best home page in existence but it was great and much better than the current one... but maybe I am wrong ... and you are right... but I would take feedback first from this community and would not ignore them! Make a poll and act accordingly please.
Doing every little thing by consensus is too inefficient. We need to develop rules on minor actions that can be performed by representatives (without consensus ) and major actions that require a grass roots vote. I suppose as DPOS evolves these rules will emerge.
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Where are the great animated home page we had "Safe Secure Sound" ?
any feedback why it is removed? ( @cass )
http://bitshares.org/
discussed with toast to disable it, cause we're thinking most of users don't like this frontpage^^
Well maybe you guys are thinking not like the majority of users... How can we know that your thinking is matched with the majority of users?
Why don't you ask the forum members before changes like that? Make a poll first here to have a right feeling! Maybe it was not the best home page in existence but it was great and much better than the current one... but maybe I am wrong ... and you are right... but I would take feedback first from this community and would not ignore them! Make a poll and act accordingly please.
Doing every little thing by consensus is too inefficient. We need to develop rules on minor actions that can be performed by representatives (without consensus ) and major actions that require a grass roots vote. I suppose as DPOS evolves these rules will emerge.
yes couldn't say it better +5%
if we want to poll every decision before acting then this would decrease our dev process significantly IMO
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I've proposed a design outline on nullstreet.
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I've proposed a design outline on nullstreet.
yup i know :) thx
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Happy new year
Don't take it personally, happy new year ;)
PS just was saying what I am thinking , that doesn't mean I am right or it was the optimal timing either :)
Sent from my ALCATEL ONE TOUCH 997D
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Happy new year
Don't take it personally, happy new year ;)
PS just was saying what I am thinking , that doesn't mean I am right or it was the optimal timing either :)
Sent from my ALCATEL ONE TOUCH 997D
yes i know :) i don't take it personally! Wish you all best for 2015.