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Quote from: Akado on July 08, 2015, 07:13:15 pmBut I honestly know nothing about what the marketing delegates are doing, I have no info. Could someone update me?They all stopped marketing and have been donating their funds to stuff like minebitshares.
But I honestly know nothing about what the marketing delegates are doing, I have no info. Could someone update me?
Quote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 04:01:19 pmWhat are you guys doing?- squeezing of course- wasting your shareholders money- buying drugs- watching porn
What are you guys doing?
Under DPOS 2.0 most of these issues go away. The newly created stake will be vesting, fees will be higher, no marketing delegates will be voted in, and only a few workers will be hired. It will also make it easier to delegate your voting to a 3rd party which should allow a more responsive system.1M BTS for the devs means they have been paid for less than 1 month of work in the past 7-8 months from delegate pay. If there is a 100% delegate that is getting paid for nothing then let me know and I will remove my votes from them.
Quote from: xeroc on July 09, 2015, 06:07:39 amQuote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 10:11:30 pmIt's not enough ever.I was totally in support of minebitshares, but 3 delegates plus rgcrypto is absurd. Plus what do they make in fees? As long as they have delegates, their fee intake should be public info.Same goes for Metaexchange. I see hardly anyone uses it so fees are rather null at this point. Then you should ask, how much and how long should a site that isn't being used be allowed to get 100% delegate funds?What exactly are the Chinese marketing delegates contributing at this point? Let's get beyond the fact that they did something awhile ago, like make a website or two. What are they doing now to be allowed to keep earning?So far it seems like, if you get voted in and you don't rustle the leaves you get to drain the system for free. I thinks lot of delegates are nearing a 750,000 BTS earned, while he Devs are near 1,000,000. 750,000X $.006= $4500 today's prices$9000 at the highs this year$2700 at the low this yearI know all of you expect BTS to increase. So hasn't everybody earned enough to retire on if BTS goes where you think it's going to go? Do these marketers really not have a real everyday job that pays their bills or are you telling me everyone of the delegates quits their full time real world jobs to live off delegate pay?I think it's time you guys ask yourselves these questions. Never mind about me and how much you despise me. Think about everything every delegate has done and whether they have delivered and need the pay, delivered and dont need the pay or delivered and have been paid in excess according to what they produced? Are all these guys going to need their delegate pay to hand over to Cryptonomex for compatibility with the Bitshares network and setting up? Are we still waiting on whatever point oh for a marketing push? Is some of the delegated content creating multiple streams of revenue? Is everyone transparent? If this only was the OP .. then people would listen to you more closely.That said, I totally agree and I am getting tiered of asking paid delegates to publish reports on a regular basis .. there definitely is a lack of transparency ..
Quote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 10:11:30 pmIt's not enough ever.I was totally in support of minebitshares, but 3 delegates plus rgcrypto is absurd. Plus what do they make in fees? As long as they have delegates, their fee intake should be public info.Same goes for Metaexchange. I see hardly anyone uses it so fees are rather null at this point. Then you should ask, how much and how long should a site that isn't being used be allowed to get 100% delegate funds?What exactly are the Chinese marketing delegates contributing at this point? Let's get beyond the fact that they did something awhile ago, like make a website or two. What are they doing now to be allowed to keep earning?So far it seems like, if you get voted in and you don't rustle the leaves you get to drain the system for free. I thinks lot of delegates are nearing a 750,000 BTS earned, while he Devs are near 1,000,000. 750,000X $.006= $4500 today's prices$9000 at the highs this year$2700 at the low this yearI know all of you expect BTS to increase. So hasn't everybody earned enough to retire on if BTS goes where you think it's going to go? Do these marketers really not have a real everyday job that pays their bills or are you telling me everyone of the delegates quits their full time real world jobs to live off delegate pay?I think it's time you guys ask yourselves these questions. Never mind about me and how much you despise me. Think about everything every delegate has done and whether they have delivered and need the pay, delivered and dont need the pay or delivered and have been paid in excess according to what they produced? Are all these guys going to need their delegate pay to hand over to Cryptonomex for compatibility with the Bitshares network and setting up? Are we still waiting on whatever point oh for a marketing push? Is some of the delegated content creating multiple streams of revenue? Is everyone transparent? If this only was the OP .. then people would listen to you more closely.That said, I totally agree and I am getting tiered of asking paid delegates to publish reports on a regular basis .. there definitely is a lack of transparency ..
It's not enough ever.I was totally in support of minebitshares, but 3 delegates plus rgcrypto is absurd. Plus what do they make in fees? As long as they have delegates, their fee intake should be public info.Same goes for Metaexchange. I see hardly anyone uses it so fees are rather null at this point. Then you should ask, how much and how long should a site that isn't being used be allowed to get 100% delegate funds?What exactly are the Chinese marketing delegates contributing at this point? Let's get beyond the fact that they did something awhile ago, like make a website or two. What are they doing now to be allowed to keep earning?So far it seems like, if you get voted in and you don't rustle the leaves you get to drain the system for free. I thinks lot of delegates are nearing a 750,000 BTS earned, while he Devs are near 1,000,000. 750,000X $.006= $4500 today's prices$9000 at the highs this year$2700 at the low this yearI know all of you expect BTS to increase. So hasn't everybody earned enough to retire on if BTS goes where you think it's going to go? Do these marketers really not have a real everyday job that pays their bills or are you telling me everyone of the delegates quits their full time real world jobs to live off delegate pay?I think it's time you guys ask yourselves these questions. Never mind about me and how much you despise me. Think about everything every delegate has done and whether they have delivered and need the pay, delivered and dont need the pay or delivered and have been paid in excess according to what they produced? Are all these guys going to need their delegate pay to hand over to Cryptonomex for compatibility with the Bitshares network and setting up? Are we still waiting on whatever point oh for a marketing push? Is some of the delegated content creating multiple streams of revenue? Is everyone transparent?
You own the network, but who pays for development?
Quote from: DataSecurityNode on July 09, 2015, 12:42:39 amQuote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 10:11:30 pmQuote from: Akado on July 08, 2015, 07:37:17 pmQuote from: Ander on July 08, 2015, 07:19:46 pmQuote from: Akado on July 08, 2015, 07:13:15 pmBut I honestly know nothing about what the marketing delegates are doing, I have no info. Could someone update me?They all stopped marketing and have been donating their funds to stuff like minebitshares.I see. So if they stopped working (assuming I didn't get it wrong), they probably donate a big part of their salary right? Minebitshares already has 3 100% delegates + funds + double of the price when they were asking for delegates if im not mistaken. And it's still not enough?It's not enough ever.I was totally in support of minebitshares, but 3 delegates plus rgcrypto is absurd. Plus what do they make in fees? As long as they have delegates, their fee intake should be public info.What exactly are the Chinese marketing delegates contributing at this point? Let's get beyond the fact that they did something awhile ago, like make a website or two. What are they doing now to be allowed to keep earning?I apologize if I offended anyone in the making of this comment.This is wrong.. again.. more misinformation to make your wrong points.. surprise.I can't speak to all the other delegates.. but I am starting to see why they haven't bothered to say anything.3 100% delegates includes rgrcryptos.. and we only started receiving bts from the newly elected one a few weeks go after loan repayments. Note that a great deal of the BTS goes towards bonus payouts to the miners daily...and if you knew anything about anything you would know its a zero fee pool. I been losing money on it ever since I took it over... path to profitability for it is a few phases of development away.@Akado - I already told you it didn't double, it went up by 60%.. even since that post it has gone further down. A 100% delegate earns less than $27 a day "right now" ..we all know the market cap goes up and down but my necessity to pay out bitUSD daily doesn't change.. and most of the time the cost is higher not lower. The current balance of bts we have managed to save in the short period while still paying out bonuses has amounted to about 4X less than every quote on the work to be done I have ever gotten. Also as noted earlier we got 40% of phase one done as well, while 60% remains. So no, its not enough... we are left waiting for months until there is enough to move forward. I kinda have repeated dozens of times now in forums.. but I guess when the trolling starts reality goes out the window.Could you share what's the 60% about? I know I ask a lot of questions but I really feel like I need to, I don't like to feel uninformed
Quote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 10:11:30 pmQuote from: Akado on July 08, 2015, 07:37:17 pmQuote from: Ander on July 08, 2015, 07:19:46 pmQuote from: Akado on July 08, 2015, 07:13:15 pmBut I honestly know nothing about what the marketing delegates are doing, I have no info. Could someone update me?They all stopped marketing and have been donating their funds to stuff like minebitshares.I see. So if they stopped working (assuming I didn't get it wrong), they probably donate a big part of their salary right? Minebitshares already has 3 100% delegates + funds + double of the price when they were asking for delegates if im not mistaken. And it's still not enough?It's not enough ever.I was totally in support of minebitshares, but 3 delegates plus rgcrypto is absurd. Plus what do they make in fees? As long as they have delegates, their fee intake should be public info.What exactly are the Chinese marketing delegates contributing at this point? Let's get beyond the fact that they did something awhile ago, like make a website or two. What are they doing now to be allowed to keep earning?I apologize if I offended anyone in the making of this comment.This is wrong.. again.. more misinformation to make your wrong points.. surprise.I can't speak to all the other delegates.. but I am starting to see why they haven't bothered to say anything.3 100% delegates includes rgrcryptos.. and we only started receiving bts from the newly elected one a few weeks go after loan repayments. Note that a great deal of the BTS goes towards bonus payouts to the miners daily...and if you knew anything about anything you would know its a zero fee pool. I been losing money on it ever since I took it over... path to profitability for it is a few phases of development away.@Akado - I already told you it didn't double, it went up by 60%.. even since that post it has gone further down. A 100% delegate earns less than $27 a day "right now" ..we all know the market cap goes up and down but my necessity to pay out bitUSD daily doesn't change.. and most of the time the cost is higher not lower. The current balance of bts we have managed to save in the short period while still paying out bonuses has amounted to about 4X less than every quote on the work to be done I have ever gotten. Also as noted earlier we got 40% of phase one done as well, while 60% remains. So no, its not enough... we are left waiting for months until there is enough to move forward. I kinda have repeated dozens of times now in forums.. but I guess when the trolling starts reality goes out the window.
Quote from: Akado on July 08, 2015, 07:37:17 pmQuote from: Ander on July 08, 2015, 07:19:46 pmQuote from: Akado on July 08, 2015, 07:13:15 pmBut I honestly know nothing about what the marketing delegates are doing, I have no info. Could someone update me?They all stopped marketing and have been donating their funds to stuff like minebitshares.I see. So if they stopped working (assuming I didn't get it wrong), they probably donate a big part of their salary right? Minebitshares already has 3 100% delegates + funds + double of the price when they were asking for delegates if im not mistaken. And it's still not enough?It's not enough ever.I was totally in support of minebitshares, but 3 delegates plus rgcrypto is absurd. Plus what do they make in fees? As long as they have delegates, their fee intake should be public info.What exactly are the Chinese marketing delegates contributing at this point? Let's get beyond the fact that they did something awhile ago, like make a website or two. What are they doing now to be allowed to keep earning?I apologize if I offended anyone in the making of this comment.
Quote from: Ander on July 08, 2015, 07:19:46 pmQuote from: Akado on July 08, 2015, 07:13:15 pmBut I honestly know nothing about what the marketing delegates are doing, I have no info. Could someone update me?They all stopped marketing and have been donating their funds to stuff like minebitshares.I see. So if they stopped working (assuming I didn't get it wrong), they probably donate a big part of their salary right? Minebitshares already has 3 100% delegates + funds + double of the price when they were asking for delegates if im not mistaken. And it's still not enough?
Is everyone transparent?
Quote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 06:05:13 pmAnyway, it's a nice insight into what kind of character traits you are made of. I do understand that people change, but I don't see that as likely judging from the way you speak on this forum.Not that you claimed to have higher moral standards, but let's pretend it's implied for teh lulz.
Anyway, it's a nice insight into what kind of character traits you are made of. I do understand that people change, but I don't see that as likely judging from the way you speak on this forum.
Quote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 05:40:25 pmQuote from: DataSecurityNode on July 08, 2015, 05:28:54 pmQuote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 05:17:15 pmQuote from: DataSecurityNode on July 08, 2015, 04:55:36 pmQuote from: onceuponatime on July 08, 2015, 04:36:27 pmQuote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 04:01:19 pmWhat are you guys doing?Start by telling us what YOU are doing.Haha.. This ^^Well.. I represent 3 of the 36.. I can say that not a single day goes by that I am not working for BitShares... because of the market cap though no thanks to windbags like OP.. I still don't have enough to get the updates we need done. Though we got about 40% done so far.. the other 60% needs to be done for phase 1 to go into production. Been saving and hoping for a market cap increase to get that moving.And for the record.. not a single BTS has been for myself at this stage.. all of it has gone towards the project itself. Though I am not going to maintain that for much longer.. so I am motivated to turn the project around to make it profitable on its own.If we got our other delegates voted in when we made the bid, I would be reporting a whole different story by now. You still can .. http://vote.bunkermining.comCyber bullying. OMG! You are just the person Bitshares needs.Glad to see you were trying to dig up dirt on me.. too bad you didn't keep digging to see I got that order revoked in a landmark decision by the supreme court. http://www.trurodaily.com/News/Local/2015-03-27/article-4092650/Order-overturned/1How about sharing some online info about yourself newmine... I am sure there are plenty here that would love to creep on you too. Hey dude, I deleted that comment 20 minutes ago. You sat on that post reply page, so imagine you were trying to dig on me. Believe me, I saw that it was overturned and you had to pay $1500.Wow.. facts straight.. the other guy had to PAY ME $1500 for costs.. the loser pays the costs. I was the winner.You took what you 'saw' and revered it here. Not helping your credibility here.I just replied to the notice of the post... no magic creeping there. Lets just leave it at.. 'you are amazing' without the sarcasm.
Quote from: DataSecurityNode on July 08, 2015, 05:28:54 pmQuote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 05:17:15 pmQuote from: DataSecurityNode on July 08, 2015, 04:55:36 pmQuote from: onceuponatime on July 08, 2015, 04:36:27 pmQuote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 04:01:19 pmWhat are you guys doing?Start by telling us what YOU are doing.Haha.. This ^^Well.. I represent 3 of the 36.. I can say that not a single day goes by that I am not working for BitShares... because of the market cap though no thanks to windbags like OP.. I still don't have enough to get the updates we need done. Though we got about 40% done so far.. the other 60% needs to be done for phase 1 to go into production. Been saving and hoping for a market cap increase to get that moving.And for the record.. not a single BTS has been for myself at this stage.. all of it has gone towards the project itself. Though I am not going to maintain that for much longer.. so I am motivated to turn the project around to make it profitable on its own.If we got our other delegates voted in when we made the bid, I would be reporting a whole different story by now. You still can .. http://vote.bunkermining.comCyber bullying. OMG! You are just the person Bitshares needs.Glad to see you were trying to dig up dirt on me.. too bad you didn't keep digging to see I got that order revoked in a landmark decision by the supreme court. http://www.trurodaily.com/News/Local/2015-03-27/article-4092650/Order-overturned/1How about sharing some online info about yourself newmine... I am sure there are plenty here that would love to creep on you too. Hey dude, I deleted that comment 20 minutes ago. You sat on that post reply page, so imagine you were trying to dig on me. Believe me, I saw that it was overturned and you had to pay $1500.
Quote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 05:17:15 pmQuote from: DataSecurityNode on July 08, 2015, 04:55:36 pmQuote from: onceuponatime on July 08, 2015, 04:36:27 pmQuote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 04:01:19 pmWhat are you guys doing?Start by telling us what YOU are doing.Haha.. This ^^Well.. I represent 3 of the 36.. I can say that not a single day goes by that I am not working for BitShares... because of the market cap though no thanks to windbags like OP.. I still don't have enough to get the updates we need done. Though we got about 40% done so far.. the other 60% needs to be done for phase 1 to go into production. Been saving and hoping for a market cap increase to get that moving.And for the record.. not a single BTS has been for myself at this stage.. all of it has gone towards the project itself. Though I am not going to maintain that for much longer.. so I am motivated to turn the project around to make it profitable on its own.If we got our other delegates voted in when we made the bid, I would be reporting a whole different story by now. You still can .. http://vote.bunkermining.comCyber bullying. OMG! You are just the person Bitshares needs.Glad to see you were trying to dig up dirt on me.. too bad you didn't keep digging to see I got that order revoked in a landmark decision by the supreme court. http://www.trurodaily.com/News/Local/2015-03-27/article-4092650/Order-overturned/1How about sharing some online info about yourself newmine... I am sure there are plenty here that would love to creep on you too.
Quote from: DataSecurityNode on July 08, 2015, 04:55:36 pmQuote from: onceuponatime on July 08, 2015, 04:36:27 pmQuote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 04:01:19 pmWhat are you guys doing?Start by telling us what YOU are doing.Haha.. This ^^Well.. I represent 3 of the 36.. I can say that not a single day goes by that I am not working for BitShares... because of the market cap though no thanks to windbags like OP.. I still don't have enough to get the updates we need done. Though we got about 40% done so far.. the other 60% needs to be done for phase 1 to go into production. Been saving and hoping for a market cap increase to get that moving.And for the record.. not a single BTS has been for myself at this stage.. all of it has gone towards the project itself. Though I am not going to maintain that for much longer.. so I am motivated to turn the project around to make it profitable on its own.If we got our other delegates voted in when we made the bid, I would be reporting a whole different story by now. You still can .. http://vote.bunkermining.comCyber bullying. OMG! You are just the person Bitshares needs.
Quote from: onceuponatime on July 08, 2015, 04:36:27 pmQuote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 04:01:19 pmWhat are you guys doing?Start by telling us what YOU are doing.Haha.. This ^^Well.. I represent 3 of the 36.. I can say that not a single day goes by that I am not working for BitShares... because of the market cap though no thanks to windbags like OP.. I still don't have enough to get the updates we need done. Though we got about 40% done so far.. the other 60% needs to be done for phase 1 to go into production. Been saving and hoping for a market cap increase to get that moving.And for the record.. not a single BTS has been for myself at this stage.. all of it has gone towards the project itself. Though I am not going to maintain that for much longer.. so I am motivated to turn the project around to make it profitable on its own.If we got our other delegates voted in when we made the bid, I would be reporting a whole different story by now. You still can .. http://vote.bunkermining.com
Quote from: newmine on July 08, 2015, 04:01:19 pmWhat are you guys doing?Start by telling us what YOU are doing.
Quote from: DataSecurityNode on July 08, 2015, 05:28:54 pmhttp://www.trurodaily.com/News/Local/2015-03-27/article-4092650/Order-overturned/1nice timely purchase sir! how many people can say they picked up a nuclear bunker at a tax sale?
http://www.trurodaily.com/News/Local/2015-03-27/article-4092650/Order-overturned/1
Quote from: fav on July 08, 2015, 05:13:45 pmunlike most of his posts this one is legit in my opinion.I'd be interested to hear from each delegate on a monthly basis too.This is like all of his posts, 20% "truth" combined with 80% "newmine tactics". It could be "legit" if he said something like "Hey, I think that 1,2,5,10 or 15 delegates out of 36 are not contributing enought to bitshares, what are you guys doing? I want some updates". I agree though that “A wise man can learn more from his enemies than a fool from his friends”.
unlike most of his posts this one is legit in my opinion.I'd be interested to hear from each delegate on a monthly basis too.
It's a fair question and it's been the cause of a few threads calling for some delegates to account for their pay, some to be voted out, and others to be voted in. In one of the other threads on this topic I postulated that cold storage and collateral voting was the root cause. Apathy I'm sure plays a part too. It's just hard to get upset when the market cap is so low. A 100% delegate is making about $4.86/hr assuming a 2000 hour year.Things will be different on the new chain; likely for the better. In the mean time there isn't much incentive to take the delegates to task.
newmine, you can't hide dude
None of you guys
Quote from: fav on July 08, 2015, 04:15:35 pmjokes aside, we need dphoshub or whatever their name is to keep track on delegates (and workers later on)Not sure that's the point of newmine's OP ..I think he just wanted to hammer about the "dilution" again .. (which is about 2.2% p.a. btw ..)
jokes aside, we need dphoshub or whatever their name is to keep track on delegates (and workers later on)
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 08, 2015, 04:18:34 pmhe's got point, the system has no accountability at the moment. Another reason for bitshares2.0 where there are a bit more checks and balances- most of the 100% delegates are devs and they are working very hard to get BTS2 out there ASAP - some few of the 100% delegates will certainly be voted out in bts2, namely the marketing delegates which should be funded through referrals ..
he's got point, the system has no accountability at the moment. Another reason for bitshares2.0 where there are a bit more checks and balances