Merry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.
there will be 10,000 new AngelShares up for grabs in a new patron competition every day for 200 days.
5000 of them will be available to ProtoShare holders.
5000 of them will be available to Bitcoin holders.
That's ultimately 2,000,000 total shares, just like ProtoShares.
Merry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.Quotethere will be 10,000 new AngelShares up for grabs in a new patron competition every day for 200 days.
5000 of them will be available to ProtoShare holders.
5000 of them will be available to Bitcoin holders.
That's ultimately 2,000,000 total shares, just like ProtoShares.
This was never answered in the other thread.
10,000 + (10,000 * 200) != 2,000,000
One of the above numbers is wrong. Either there's 2,010,000 angelshares, or there will only be 199 days.
Merry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.Quotethere will be 10,000 new AngelShares up for grabs in a new patron competition every day for 200 days.
5000 of them will be available to ProtoShare holders.
5000 of them will be available to Bitcoin holders.
That's ultimately 2,000,000 total shares, just like ProtoShares.
This was never answered in the other thread.
10,000 + (10,000 * 200) != 2,000,000
One of the above numbers is wrong. Either there's 2,010,000 angelshares, or there will only be 199 days.
Yeah, we counted the first day as everything prior to Christmas, the second day as Christmas to Jan 1, and one day intervals after that.
Yeah, we counted the first day as everything prior to Christmas, the second day as Christmas to Jan 1, and one day intervals after that.
wait what? I dont see any payments before xmas...
Yeah, we counted the first day as everything prior to Christmas, the second day as Christmas to Jan 1, and one day intervals after that.
wait what? I dont see any payments before xmas...
In our announcement we said we would allocate Keyhotee founders one day's worth (excluding Invictus Shareholders) based upon their contribution to their Keyhotee ID.
Yeah, we counted the first day as everything prior to Christmas, the second day as Christmas to Jan 1, and one day intervals after that.
wait what? I dont see any payments before xmas...
In our announcement we said we would allocate Keyhotee founders one day's worth (excluding Invictus Shareholders) based upon their contribution to their Keyhotee ID.
How will we get credit for angelshares from our founders ID donations? will it be based on our private keys like normal angelshares donations?
Yeah, we counted the first day as everything prior to Christmas, the second day as Christmas to Jan 1, and one day intervals after that.
wait what? I dont see any payments before xmas...
In our announcement we said we would allocate Keyhotee founders one day's worth (excluding Invictus Shareholders) based upon their contribution to their Keyhotee ID.
How will we get credit for angelshares from our founders ID donations? will it be based on our private keys like normal angelshares donations?
It will be based upon Genesis block and the new public key which you will register to your name.
Merry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.Quotethere will be 10,000 new AngelShares up for grabs in a new patron competition every day for 200 days.
5000 of them will be available to ProtoShare holders.
5000 of them will be available to Bitcoin holders.
That's ultimately 2,000,000 total shares, just like ProtoShares.
This was never answered in the other thread.
10,000 + (10,000 * 200) != 2,000,000
One of the above numbers is wrong. Either there's 2,010,000 angelshares, or there will only be 199 days.
(5,000 AGS/PTS + 5,000 AGS/BTC) * 200 days = 2,000,000 AGS total
Merry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.
Merry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.Quotethere will be 10,000 new AngelShares up for grabs in a new patron competition every day for 200 days.
5000 of them will be available to ProtoShare holders.
5000 of them will be available to Bitcoin holders.
That's ultimately 2,000,000 total shares, just like ProtoShares.
This was never answered in the other thread.
10,000 + (10,000 * 200) != 2,000,000
One of the above numbers is wrong. Either there's 2,010,000 angelshares, or there will only be 199 days.
(5,000 AGS/PTS + 5,000 AGS/BTC) * 200 days = 2,000,000 AGS total
No, read the quote.QuoteMerry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.
bytemaster, please clarify
Interesting.
Similarly Mastercoin has an exodus address which is hardcoded in the MSC client; if BTS client hardcodes the PTS angel address, what will happen to the BTC donations?
Merry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.Quotethere will be 10,000 new AngelShares up for grabs in a new patron competition every day for 200 days.
5000 of them will be available to ProtoShare holders.
5000 of them will be available to Bitcoin holders.
That's ultimately 2,000,000 total shares, just like ProtoShares.
This was never answered in the other thread.
10,000 + (10,000 * 200) != 2,000,000
One of the above numbers is wrong. Either there's 2,010,000 angelshares, or there will only be 199 days.
(5,000 AGS/PTS + 5,000 AGS/BTC) * 200 days = 2,000,000 AGS total
No, read the quote.QuoteMerry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.
bytemaster, please clarify
Merry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.Quotethere will be 10,000 new AngelShares up for grabs in a new patron competition every day for 200 days.
5000 of them will be available to ProtoShare holders.
5000 of them will be available to Bitcoin holders.
That's ultimately 2,000,000 total shares, just like ProtoShares.
This was never answered in the other thread.
10,000 + (10,000 * 200) != 2,000,000
One of the above numbers is wrong. Either there's 2,010,000 angelshares, or there will only be 199 days.
(5,000 AGS/PTS + 5,000 AGS/BTC) * 200 days = 2,000,000 AGS total
No, read the quote.QuoteMerry Christmas Keyhotee Founders!!
The first 10,000 AngelShares are set-aside proportionally for Keyhotee Founders. Invictus Innovations shareholders are not eligible. Donations to Keyhotee after Dec 24, 2013 at Midnight GMT don't count.
bytemaster, please clarify
My understanding is,
'The first day' is everything before Dec 24, 2013.
'The second day' is everything from Dec 25, 2013 to Jan 1, 2014.
'The third day' is Jan 2, 2014.
'The fourth day' is Jan 3, 2014.
...
'The two-hundredth day' Jul 19, 2014.
Am I correct? Please advise.
It was said that Angel Shares are less likely to honored by other (than I3) DAC developers than PTS. Why?
What it the "toolkit, infrastructure and ecosystem" you are talking about that other DAC devs would profit from? Is is "just" (can be a lot) the attention of PTS/AGS holders? OR is it that other DAC devs would build upon I3 codebase which PTS holders helped to finance?
This was an interesting clarification bu my original question was comparing AGS to PTS in their potential to be honored by DAC devs other than I3. I was asking about the difference of PTS and AGS in that respect...
Is it I3's primary goal to have other developers building upon I3 code base? Or will PTS/AGS (both having the same potential here?) primarily be honored because of the attention the new DAC would get from honoring PTS?
Is it I3's primary goal to have other developers building upon I3 code base? Or will PTS/AGS (both having the same potential here?) primarily be honored because of the attention the new DAC would get from honoring PTS?
Our goal is to have many DACs built on our code.
Is it I3's primary goal to have other developers building upon I3 code base? Or will PTS/AGS (both having the same potential here?) primarily be honored because of the attention the new DAC would get from honoring PTS?
Our goal is to have many DACs built on our code.
....by other developers than you?
Ok. Thanks. I'm still wrapping my head around it. My initial question was: Are those 3rd parties more likely to honor PTS or AGS with respect to the structure/qualities of both shares?
Ok. Thanks. I'm still wrapping my head around it. My initial question was: Are those 3rd parties more likely to honor PTS or AGS with respect to the structure/qualities of both shares?
This may be a really dumb question, but at what level of precision are AGS going to be calculated? I am assuming 8 decimal places, but if it's less, I'm curious; also, if they're less, it would be nice to know if they are going to be truncated or rounded.
I only ask because I'm considering trickling in my daily mined PTS > AGS.
Would that apply to the intermediate calculations as well (I hope not)? At some point you're going to have to calculate the intermediate payments for the daily distribution, although this would be prior to the genesis block so it wouldn't really need to be coded in.
Besides, agsexplorer/angelshare.info have done all of the legwork for calculating the shares, and they're at least 8 decimal precision to boot. I'm hoping that you just take a final tally using a similar method and then apply the truncation/rounding :3
This may be a really dumb question, but at what level of precision are AGS going to be calculated? I am assuming 8 decimal places, but if it's less, I'm curious; also, if they're less, it would be nice to know if they are going to be truncated or rounded.
I only ask because I'm considering trickling in my daily mined PTS > AGS.
This is a very good question and I think my answer is that you should be considerate and send every small donation from the SAME source address. Then when we build the genesis block it will only be 1 output rather than many small ones. I would rather not make a rule on this, but for the sake of clarity I am going to make the min threshold to be 0.001 AGS
This may be a really dumb question, but at what level of precision are AGS going to be calculated? I am assuming 8 decimal places, but if it's less, I'm curious; also, if they're less, it would be nice to know if they are going to be truncated or rounded.
I only ask because I'm considering trickling in my daily mined PTS > AGS.
This is a very good question and I think my answer is that you should be considerate and send every small donation from the SAME source address. Then when we build the genesis block it will only be 1 output rather than many small ones. I would rather not make a rule on this, but for the sake of clarity I am going to make the min threshold to be 0.001 AGS
How do you specify this? I keep having new addresses being generated. All of my donations have been at least 1PTS or greater, so I'm not worried about the decimal issue, but its getting to be inconvenient tracking all of my donations.
How do you specify this? I keep having new addresses being generated. All of my donations have been at least 1PTS or greater, so I'm not worried about the decimal issue, but its getting to be inconvenient tracking all of my donations.
If we donated from both pts and btc address, will it be possible to import both private keys into the bitsharex account at the same time to claim our ags?
It may have been answered elsewhere. My question is who owns the BTS allocated to the PTS that were sent for AGS exchange, assuming not all PTS are spent before BTS launch. Is it invictus? Or do these PTS receive BTS at all?
"What happens to all the donations?"
100% of the proceeds go to growing the crypto-equity industry. Zero percent will be retained as profits Invictus.
They keep them.That means these BTSX, together with Donated PTS/BTC, will be allocated in an asset pool that 3i promises to grow DAC industry, but not as company profit. Am I intepreting correct?
See OP:Quote"What happens to all the donations?"
100% of the proceeds go to growing the crypto-equity industry. Zero percent will be retained as profits Invictus.
They keep them.That means these BTSX, together with Donated PTS/BTC, will be allocated in an asset pool that 3i promises to grow DAC industry, but not as company profit. Am I intepreting correct?
See OP:Quote"What happens to all the donations?"
100% of the proceeds go to growing the crypto-equity industry. Zero percent will be retained as profits Invictus.
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Hi guys. I'm not very technically savvy, so I'm a little nervous about donating PTS/BTC. Once I donate, then what do I have to do?
Hi guys. I'm not very technically savvy, so I'm a little nervous about donating PTS/BTC. Once I donate, then what do I have to do?
Assuming you donate from Bitcoin Qt or ProtoShares Qt and not from an exchange, all you have to do is backup your wallet.dat file.
Hi guys. I'm not very technically savvy, so I'm a little nervous about donating PTS/BTC. Once I donate, then what do I have to do?
Assuming you donate from Bitcoin Qt or ProtoShares Qt and not from an exchange, all you have to do is backup your wallet.dat file.
Then I just wait for my AGS and BTS to appear in my wallet?
It says: "Be vigilant! Watch for slow days and anyone can snag some great bargains."
Also people mention things like some guy is buying 10 BTC worth each day.
How do you get this kind of information?
Brent Allsop
It says: "Be vigilant! Watch for slow days and anyone can snag some great bargains."
Also people mention things like some guy is buying 10 BTC worth each day.
How do you get this kind of information?
Brent Allsop
Do AGS Holders get test bts
After Bitshares are trading...
If you sell some shares, do you also share the rights to be included in subsequent DAO Genesis blocks?
Or are the new DAO Genesis blocks only seeded form the holders of shares in the Bitshares Genesis block?
Or something else?
Brent Allsop
OK, they "span all".
So does that mean there will be one fixed "genesis block" set of participants, that will be used for all subsequent DAOs? And if you sell the first Bitshares, once they are trading, you will not be selling your right to have those shares in subsequent genesis blocks, be owned by you?
Brent Allsop
Hi Stan,
Thanks for all the help with this. I thought this was a simple question, but it's much more complicated.
So when new DACS are created, what determines who get's the initial shares. It looks like it will be different for each DAC?
And is there a list of possible DACS, possibly prioritized, which AGS and PTS owners will get in on?
Brent Allsop
Thanks, Stan, that helps.
Is there a list of DACs somewhere that will abide by this allocation process?
What priority will they be developed, and how much work will be put towards each, and how will all that be decided?
Brent
The lack of an answer to this question is leading me to guess there isn't yet a formal list of proposed DACs? A Canonizer.com survey topic would be one possible way of crowd sourcing and brain storming such a list. Anyone could start a new camp for any proposed DAC. Everyone supporting such could help wiki it. Everyone could then support the camps in the order of importance relative to all other DACs, giving a quantitative relative ranking of interest in each.
Each camp could concisely describe the design of their DAC. If any diversity of opinion showed up about the design of any camp, this diversity of opinion could be pushed to lower level supporting sub camps, where the amount of interest in each different opinion could be quantitatively tracked. That would avoid the destruction of support for the DAC, due to any differences of opinion on the specs of each DAC.
We could create a super camp for DACs people thought should adhere to the angel share / photosphere contract you just described. That super camp could concisely describe the contract. That way all DACS willing to support such could be listed as supporting sub camps of that super camp. If someone wanted to create a DAC that didn't support the contract, they could add this as a sibling / competitor to this contract supper camp, indicating such. In that way, if anyone thought the same DAC should adhere to that contract, they could 'fork' the camp, one being under (in a supporting position to) the contract supper camp, and one not. This would provide a quantitative measure of how much support there was for both, relative to all other camps.
Question with some confusion.
Can I donate PTS here: http://www1.agsexplorer.com/
How do I get paid AGS shares. Wallet? What am I missing?
Thank you for that,
Another question. What times are a full day counted? UTC?
Also, say I donated 100 PTS. And so far there is someone who posts 400. I assume the AGS bank is split?
Thank you for that,
Another question. What times are a full day counted? UTC?
Also, say I donated 100 PTS. And so far there is someone who posts 400. I assume the AGS bank is split?
Yes, you would receive 20% and they would receive 80%
Thank you for that,
Another question. What times are a full day counted? UTC?
Also, say I donated 100 PTS. And so far there is someone who posts 400. I assume the AGS bank is split?
Yes, you would receive 20% and they would receive 80%
And the day is UTC midnight till midnight?
Do we have up to the 28th to send to this address? Thank you.Yep
I'm still slightly confused. Why would we donate PTS? If we don't donate don't we still get a % in AGS? What happens to our PTS after this?
The ratio is much much much better for AGS than PTS. 1 PTS = 1.5 BTS and 1 AGS = 3.5. I highly recommend switching to AGS before the switch.
I'm assuming its to late to acquire AGS? :(You can donate for AGS, but that will only count for future DACs, not for Bitshares XT, that just had the snapshot at the end of February.
OK, my donating have been confirmed on March 1st , even I can not gain BTS, but I have got more AGS.Just remember that the wallet you made the donation from, either in PTS or BTC, needs to be backed up and protected from here on out (i.e. more than one backup location). The proof of ownership now resides with you and the control you have over your private keys to those addresses.
I didn't recived AGS for my PTS donations.
http://www1.agsexplorer.com/balances/PuBGB7BWoqRfvkzoyyMCwkg9LPL9QywDex
the dates 2014-03-10 and 2014-03-11 are missing.
Transaction form 3/11/2014 6:04:55 PM: https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Transactions/cadcd6e77ac953fccb42378dcda7a8fbc366693b0af2c0d8d330a21d090f727e
Transaction form 3/12/2014 6:40:45 PM: https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Transactions/9ab33f1a8542080c5abd0425433cb7e89eb18e2a233366677f3f9d2998dd9469
What can i do?
I didn't recived AGS for my PTS donations.
http://www1.agsexplorer.com/balances/PuBGB7BWoqRfvkzoyyMCwkg9LPL9QywDex
the dates 2014-03-10 and 2014-03-11 are missing.
Transaction form 3/11/2014 6:04:55 PM: https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Transactions/cadcd6e77ac953fccb42378dcda7a8fbc366693b0af2c0d8d330a21d090f727e
Transaction form 3/12/2014 6:40:45 PM: https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Transactions/9ab33f1a8542080c5abd0425433cb7e89eb18e2a233366677f3f9d2998dd9469
What can i do?
You didn't send all your PTS from the same address.
For example, here (http://www1.agsexplorer.com/balances/PfCT9N9DSspQeBpwknRihfXqnvoHa2SEz8) is your 3/11 donation.
we never owned it and super3 was surprisingly unresponsiveWoops .. too bad .. but you own bitshares.org .. do you?
we never owned it and super3 was surprisingly unresponsiveWoops .. too bad .. but you own bitshares.org .. do you?
anyway .. updating (all) the links should be considered important when interested in newcomers!
Hi,
How can I determine if I buy AGS on day X, what DACs it will be honored in by Invictus?
Is Invictus waiting till the end of AGS being offered to take a snapshot to have it new DACs?
What DACs do PTS shareholders have stake in that AGS buyers wont get?
Hi,
How can I determine if I buy AGS on day X, what DACs it will be honored in by Invictus?
Is Invictus waiting till the end of AGS being offered to take a snapshot to have it new DACs?
What DACs do PTS shareholders have stake in that AGS buyers wont get?
There will only be 2 snapshots for AGS... Feb 28th and Day 200. Everything except BTS XT should honor AGS from Day 200.
Hi,
How can I determine if I buy AGS on day X, what DACs it will be honored in by Invictus?
Is Invictus waiting till the end of AGS being offered to take a snapshot to have it new DACs?
What DACs do PTS shareholders have stake in that AGS buyers wont get?
There will only be 2 snapshots for AGS... Feb 28th and Day 200. Everything except BTS XT should honor AGS from Day 200.
Well there was a snapshot for lotto shares but we haven't heard anything from FreeTrade ever since.
Also BTS XT is the testing but the live BTS X would also honor the Feb 28th snapshot right?
we never owned it and super3 was surprisingly unresponsive
I gave you all bitshares.org and all the domains after I didn't have enough time to work on the website anymore after I went back to school. You have always had full access to the servers and code. I registered Invictus.io for the bounty site, which you used and never fully paid for.we never owned it and super3 was surprisingly unresponsiveWoops .. too bad .. but you own bitshares.org .. do you?
anyway .. updating (all) the links should be considered important when interested in newcomers!
We own bitshares.org and other domains. We had trusted Super3 as a core member of the team, but he turned out to be an opportunist.
When I first learned about PTS (in November if I remember correctly) I asked on Cryptsy what they knew about it... Most people didn't know anything but there was a guy that said "anyone who deals with super3 is an idiot. The guy has scammed a lot of people in the past.Enough said". I didn't pay much attention back then because I liked the whole concept of PTS, but It seems that that guy knew better... I think that your relationship with super 3 must have done some damage to your publicity...Any proof would be great.
When I first learned about PTS (in November if I remember correctly) I asked on Cryptsy what they knew about it... Most people didn't know anything but there was a guy that said "anyone who deals with super3 is an idiot. The guy has scammed a lot of people in the past.Enough said". I didn't pay much attention back then because I liked the whole concept of PTS, but It seems that that guy knew better... I think that your relationship with super 3 must have done some damage to your publicity...
Any proof would be great.