I guess we all known how important the feed price is for us, and it's one of the mainy jobs for the witness.Will not support
but crazybit give us a 'fake' feed price.
here is his logic as I observe today:
every 5 minutes, he will check if his price equal the finally feed price(median price of all feed price),
if it's not, he change his price to the median price.
This is a very stupid strategy, it's cheat.
what's the thought of those who support him as a witness?
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| base | quote | price | diff | quote volume | source |
+------+-------+-----------+--------+--------------------+------------------------------------------------------------+
| HKD | BTS | 0.303379 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - HKD:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| HKD | BTS | 0.393119 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - HKD:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| CAD | BTS | 0.052703 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - CAD:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| CAD | BTS | 0.068293 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - CAD:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000010 | +0.78 | 808675.68164423 | ['poloniex - BTC:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000010 | +0.39 | 9155072.8 | ['zb - BTC:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000010 | -0.00 | 524434505296.7679 | ['coinmarketcap - BTC:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000010 | -0.00 | 4771388.281799996 | ['lbank - BTC:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000010 | +0.89 | 5354476.29908 | ['btcavg - BTC:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000013 | +30.73 | 200336.79083665338 | ['btcavg - BTC:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000010 | +1.37 | 5354476.29908 | ['bitstamp - BTC:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000013 | +31.36 | 200336.79083665338 | ['bitstamp - BTC:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000010 | +1.35 | 5354476.29908 | ['okcoin - BTC:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000013 | +31.32 | 200336.79083665338 | ['okcoin - BTC:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000010 | +0.01 | 5354476.29908 | ['coinmarketcap - BTC:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000013 | +29.60 | 200336.79083665338 | ['coinmarketcap - BTC:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.034015 | +0.65 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - EUR:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.044077 | +30.42 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - EUR:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.034122 | +0.97 | 808675.68164423 | ['btcavg - EUR:BTC', 'poloniex - BTC:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.033989 | +0.57 | 9155072.8 | ['btcavg - EUR:BTC', 'zb - BTC:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.033856 | +0.18 | 524434505296.7679 | ['btcavg - EUR:BTC', 'coinmarketcap - BTC:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.033856 | +0.18 | 4771388.281799996 | ['btcavg - EUR:BTC', 'lbank - BTC:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.033998 | +0.60 | 808675.68164423 | ['bitstamp - EUR:BTC', 'poloniex - BTC:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.033866 | +0.21 | 9155072.8 | ['bitstamp - EUR:BTC', 'zb - BTC:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.033734 | -0.18 | 524434505296.7679 | ['bitstamp - EUR:BTC', 'coinmarketcap - BTC:BTS'] |
| EUR | BTS | 0.033734 | -0.18 | 4771388.281799996 | ['bitstamp - EUR:BTC', 'lbank - BTC:BTS'] |
| AUD | BTS | 0.054971 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - AUD:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| AUD | BTS | 0.071231 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - AUD:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| GBP | BTS | 0.030671 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - GBP:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| GBP | BTS | 0.039743 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - GBP:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| NZD | BTS | 0.057727 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - NZD:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| NZD | BTS | 0.074803 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - NZD:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| SGD | BTS | 0.053210 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - SGD:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| SGD | BTS | 0.068950 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - SGD:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| MXN | BTS | 0.770726 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - MXN:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| MXN | BTS | 0.998709 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - MXN:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| RUB | BTS | 2.689247 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - RUB:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| RUB | BTS | 3.484733 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - RUB:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| SEK | BTS | 0.349916 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - SEK:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| SEK | BTS | 0.453423 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - SEK:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| TRY | BTS | 0.204843 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - TRY:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| TRY | BTS | 0.265436 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - TRY:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| JPY | BTS | 4.295988 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - JPY:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| JPY | BTS | 5.566753 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - JPY:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| CNY | BTS | 0.237912 | -10.80 | 4588829.555032049 | ['bitshares - CNY:BTS'] |
| CNY | BTS | 0.265973 | -0.28 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - CNY:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| CNY | BTS | 0.344649 | +29.22 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - CNY:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| KRW | BTS | 43.445105 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - KRW:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| KRW | BTS | 56.296288 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - KRW:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| CHF | BTS | 0.038418 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - CHF:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| CHF | BTS | 0.049782 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - CHF:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| ARS | BTS | 1.493367 | -1.06 | 5354476.29908 | ['openexchangerates - ARS:USD', 'coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| ARS | BTS | 1.935110 | +28.21 | 200336.79083665338 | ['openexchangerates - ARS:USD', 'bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038740 | +0.52 | 5354476.29908 | ['coinmarketcap - USD:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.050200 | +30.25 | 200336.79083665338 | ['bitshares - USD:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.034653 | -10.09 | 4588829.555032049 | ['openexchangerates - USD:CNY', 'bitshares - CNY:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038700 | +0.41 | 808675.68164423 | ['btcavg - USD:BTC', 'poloniex - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038549 | +0.02 | 9155072.8 | ['btcavg - USD:BTC', 'zb - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038399 | -0.37 | 524434505296.7679 | ['btcavg - USD:BTC', 'coinmarketcap - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038399 | -0.37 | 4771388.281799996 | ['btcavg - USD:BTC', 'lbank - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038516 | -0.06 | 808675.68164423 | ['bitstamp - USD:BTC', 'poloniex - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038366 | -0.45 | 9155072.8 | ['bitstamp - USD:BTC', 'zb - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038217 | -0.84 | 524434505296.7679 | ['bitstamp - USD:BTC', 'coinmarketcap - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038217 | -0.84 | 4771388.281799996 | ['bitstamp - USD:BTC', 'lbank - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038526 | -0.04 | 808675.68164423 | ['okcoin - USD:BTC', 'poloniex - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038376 | -0.43 | 9155072.8 | ['okcoin - USD:BTC', 'zb - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038226 | -0.81 | 524434505296.7679 | ['okcoin - USD:BTC', 'coinmarketcap - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038226 | -0.81 | 4771388.281799996 | ['okcoin - USD:BTC', 'lbank - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.039039 | +1.29 | 808675.68164423 | ['coinmarketcap - USD:BTC', 'poloniex - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038887 | +0.90 | 9155072.8 | ['coinmarketcap - USD:BTC', 'zb - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038735 | +0.51 | 524434505296.7679 | ['coinmarketcap - USD:BTC', 'coinmarketcap - BTC:BTS'] |
| USD | BTS | 0.038735 | +0.51 | 4771388.281799996 | ['coinmarketcap - USD:BTC', 'lbank - BTC:BTS'] |
+------+-------+-----------+--------+--------------------+------------------------------------------------------------+
+--------+------------+-----------+-----------+---------+------------------+--------------------+--------------------+------------------+--------------+------------------+--------+--------+------------------+--------------------+
| symbol | collateral | new price | cer | premium | unadjusted price | mean | median | wgt. avg. | wgt. std (#) | blockchain | mssr | mcr | my last price | last update |
+--------+------------+-----------+-----------+---------+------------------+--------------------+--------------------+------------------+--------------+------------------+--------+--------+------------------+--------------------+
| HKD | BTS | 0.306615 | 0.383269 | -8.0% | 0.306615 (0.00) | 0.348249 (-11.96) | 0.348249 (-11.96) | 0.306615 (0.00) | 1.67 ( 2) | 0.303878 (0.90) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.305613 (0.33) | 0:04:59.991653 ago |
| CAD | BTS | 0.053265 | 0.066582 | -32.9% | 0.053265 (0.00) | 0.060498 (-11.96) | 0.060498 (-11.96) | 0.053265 (0.00) | 0.29 ( 2) | 0.052808 (0.87) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.053091 (0.33) | 0:04:59.991794 ago |
| BTC | BTS | 0.000010 | 0.000015 | -12.3% | 0.000010 (0.00) | 0.000011 (-9.63) | 0.000010 (-1.11) | 0.000010 (0.00) | 0.00 (12) | 0.000010 (-0.29) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.000010 (0.29) | 0:04:59.991918 ago |
| EUR | BTS | 0.033795 | 0.042244 | -5.3% | 0.033795 (0.00) | 0.034925 (-3.23) | 0.033928 (-0.39) | 0.033795 (0.00) | 0.01 (10) | 0.033954 (-0.47) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.033675 (0.36) | 0:04:59.992073 ago |
| AUD | BTS | 0.055557 | 0.069447 | -11.1% | 0.055557 (0.00) | 0.063101 (-11.96) | 0.063101 (-11.96) | 0.055557 (0.00) | 0.30 ( 2) | 0.055083 (0.86) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.055376 (0.33) | 0:04:59.992215 ago |
| GBP | BTS | 0.030998 | 0.038747 | 11.6% | 0.030998 (0.00) | 0.035207 (-11.96) | 0.035207 (-11.96) | 0.030998 (0.00) | 0.17 ( 2) | 0.030742 (0.83) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.030896 (0.33) | 0:04:59.992308 ago |
| NZD | BTS | 0.058343 | 0.072928 | 19.0% | 0.058343 (0.00) | 0.066265 (-11.96) | 0.066265 (-11.96) | 0.058343 (0.00) | 0.32 ( 2) | 0.057907 (0.75) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.058152 (0.33) | 0:04:59.992397 ago |
| SGD | BTS | 0.053778 | 0.067222 | -85.7% | 0.053778 (0.00) | 0.061080 (-11.96) | 0.061080 (-11.96) | 0.053778 (0.00) | 0.29 ( 2) | 0.053261 (0.97) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.053602 (0.33) | 0:04:59.992487 ago |
| MXN | BTS | 0.778949 | 0.973686 | 3015.8% | 0.778949 (0.00) | 0.884718 (-11.96) | 0.884718 (-11.96) | 0.778949 (0.00) | 4.25 ( 2) | 0.772549 (0.83) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.776403 (0.33) | 0:04:59.992575 ago |
| RUB | BTS | 2.717936 | 3.397420 | -68.7% | 2.717936 (0.00) | 3.086990 (-11.96) | 3.086990 (-11.96) | 2.717936 (0.00) | 14.83 ( 2) | 2.688824 (1.08) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 2.709054 (0.33) | 0:04:59.992663 ago |
| SEK | BTS | 0.353649 | 0.442062 | 9.7% | 0.353649 (0.00) | 0.401670 (-11.96) | 0.401670 (-11.96) | 0.353649 (0.00) | 1.93 ( 2) | 0.350490 (0.90) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.352494 (0.33) | 0:04:59.992750 ago |
| TRY | BTS | 0.207028 | 0.258785 | -5.6% | 0.207028 (0.00) | 0.235140 (-11.96) | 0.235140 (-11.96) | 0.207028 (0.00) | 1.13 ( 2) | 0.205850 (0.57) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.206352 (0.33) | 0:04:59.992838 ago |
| JPY | BTS | 4.341819 | 5.427273 | 21.6% | 4.341819 (0.00) | 4.931371 (-11.96) | 4.931371 (-11.96) | 4.341819 (0.00) | 23.69 ( 2) | 4.301075 (0.95) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 4.327585 (0.33) | 0:04:59.993024 ago |
| CNY | BTS | 0.266707 | 0.333384 | 7.1% | 0.254833 (4.66) | 0.282845 (-5.71) | 0.265973 (0.28) | 0.254833 (4.66) | 1.88 ( 3) | 0.266707 (0.00) | 105.0% | 175.0% | 0.266499 (0.08) | 0:19:53.993151 ago |
| KRW | BTS | 43.908589 | 54.885736 | 58.1% | 43.908589 (0.00) | 49.870697 (-11.96) | 49.870697 (-11.96) | 43.908589 (0.00) | 239.61 ( 2) | 43.571116 (0.77) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 43.765101 (0.33) | 0:04:59.993242 ago |
| CHF | BTS | 0.038827 | 0.048534 | 12.6% | 0.038827 (0.00) | 0.044100 (-11.96) | 0.044100 (-11.96) | 0.038827 (0.00) | 0.21 ( 2) | 0.038468 (0.94) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.038701 (0.33) | 0:04:59.993330 ago |
| ARS | BTS | 1.509299 | 1.886624 | -50.4% | 1.509299 (0.00) | 1.714238 (-11.96) | 1.714238 (-11.96) | 1.509299 (0.00) | 8.24 ( 2) | 1.497781 (0.77) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 1.504367 (0.33) | 0:04:59.993416 ago |
| USD | BTS | 0.038540 | 0.048175 | -23.5% | 0.038394 (0.38) | 0.038932 (-1.01) | 0.038516 (0.06) | 0.038394 (0.38) | 0.02 (19) | 0.038540 (0.00) | 110.0% | 175.0% | 0.038540 (0.00) | 0:34:59.993502 ago |
+--------+------------+-----------+-----------+---------+------------------+--------------------+--------------------+------------------+--------------+------------------+--------+--------+------------------+--------------------+.
This seems like a witch hunt. Why are you spreading lies @alt?
Do not know how do you get such conclusion, but i would tell you that the truth is NOT as you imagined.can you explain why almost every time when you update your feed price, you will follow the median price?
i am currently using this feeding script(https://github.com/crazybits/bitshares-pricefeed), as i know, many witness are also using this feeding script, you could review the code you would like to.
and below is a part of today log, please let me know if u still have question.
can you explain why almost every time when you update your feed price, you will follow the median price?
when the median price keep unchange, you can keep unfresh for 45 minutes, but when the meidian price change a little bit, you will follow imediately at next cycle?
here is some snapshot, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mk406jgfBlVeJTpn2OeX9-1VSUqT81gE (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mk406jgfBlVeJTpn2OeX9-1VSUqT81gE)
for CNY
at 8:31, you followed the median price at 0.2703,
at 8:45, you followed to 0.2697,
you keep unrefresh about 34 minutes when the median price unchanged
at 9:19, the median price changed to 0.2699, then you update your price to 0.2699 at 9.20
at 9:24, when the median price change to 0.2705, you update your price at the same at 9:25
then you followed to 0.2708 at 9:35
for USD
at 08:35, you followed the median price at 0.0389,
at 08:40, you followed to 0.0388,
you didn't refresh for about 44 minutes when the median price unchaged
at 09:25, you followed to 0.0389
you can see the same action at 09:34 to 09:35
default:
# max age of a feed
maxage: 43200
# minimum percentage that forces a publish
min_change: 0.001
# warn if price change goes above this percentage
warn_change: 10
# skip publishing a feed if price goes above this percentage
skip_change: 50
# skip publishing a feed if producer is not an active witness.
skip_inactive_witness: True
# how to derive a single price from several sources
# Choose from: "median", "mean", or "weighted" (by volume)
metric: weighted
# Select sources for this particular asset. Each source
# has its own fetch() method and collects several markets
# any market of an exchanges is considered but only the
# current asset's price is derived
#
# Choose from: - "*": all,
# - loaded exchanges (see below)
crazybit your feed is extremely high compared to other witnesses, causing margin to not be eaten, please fix it
To prevent the market manipulation by the malicious trader, the witness should not public his feeding logic, as least not all the witness, i would try to disclose more info since you still question me, currently, i am using weighted strategy by market trade volume as attached below, and the behavior you observed are all determined by the feeding program, btw, the feeding interval is 5 mins.this can't explain you feed price behavior at all.Code: [Select]default:
# max age of a feed
maxage: 43200
# minimum percentage that forces a publish
min_change: 0.001
# warn if price change goes above this percentage
warn_change: 10
# skip publishing a feed if price goes above this percentage
skip_change: 50
# skip publishing a feed if producer is not an active witness.
skip_inactive_witness: True
# how to derive a single price from several sources
# Choose from: "median", "mean", or "weighted" (by volume)
metric: weighted
# Select sources for this particular asset. Each source
# has its own fetch() method and collects several markets
# any market of an exchanges is considered but only the
# current asset's price is derived
#
# Choose from: - "*": all,
# - loaded exchanges (see below)
@alt you need to stop. You are now causing drama within the community. Why are you continuing to go to war with everyone?sorry, you can ignore me.
this can't explain you feed price behavior at all.
you have said several witness use the same strategy as you, can you show me anyone who have the same pattern as your account?
so can you explain why your feed price always follow the median price?this can't explain you feed price behavior at all.
you have said several witness use the same strategy as you, can you show me anyone who have the same pattern as your account?
i said many witness use this script, but do not said they used the same strategy as me, please note the strategy is configurable. i also do not know their feeding logic,
so can you explain why your feed price always follow the median price?
I consider you have nothing to explain about those snapshot.so can you explain why your feed price always follow the median price?
i also observe the activity of the feeding program for a while, what you said "always follow the median price" is also not the truth, consider the healthy of BitShares, you should vote rationally, but not emotionally. and stop yelling at everybody.
I consider you have nothing to explain about those snapshot.
so I still hold the view you cheat us with a fake feed price.
and if anyone else think so, please vote out crazybit.
oh, yes?I consider you have nothing to explain about those snapshot.
so I still hold the view you cheat us with a fake feed price.
and if anyone else think so, please vote out crazybit.
I would ask anyone who is currently using baozi as a proxy to stop voting for them. They are causing issues with a majority of witnesses and alienating people. This is not what BitShares is about.
@alt, You're wrong on this one.can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.
He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)
This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
@alt, You're wrong on this one.can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.
He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)
This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.
@alt, You're wrong on this one.can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.
He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)
This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.
@alt, Do not wast time of the community, let's make it simple, how about i share my active private key, feeding program(open sourced) and the config file to the community member who we both trust, let the community see who is lying, if you were wrong, you own me a apologize coz of u keep defaming me, and if i am cheating the community like what you said, i quit the witness by myself, apologize to the community, and leave the community forever. deal?it's fair.
@alt, You're wrong on this one.can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.
He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)
This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.
in case you don't know how to see the chart, I will tell you the detail:
1. open http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/ (http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/)
2. input crazybit in publisher,
3. input 2018/12/26 10:00:00 am in "From"
4. check the box "feed median"
you will see a chart like below, you can see every 5 minutes(10:15, 10:20, 10:35, 11:00, 11:05, 11:10 etc), the feed price from crazybit will followed the median price.
it's really hard for me to teach you guys some common sence...@alt, You're wrong on this one.can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.
He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)
This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.
in case you don't know how to see the chart, I will tell you the detail:
1. open http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/ (http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/)
2. input crazybit in publisher,
3. input 2018/12/26 10:00:00 am in "From"
4. check the box "feed median"
you will see a chart like below, you can see every 5 minutes(10:15, 10:20, 10:35, 11:00, 11:05, 11:10 etc), the feed price from crazybit will followed the median price.
10:05 just above the median
10:10 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:15 just above the median
10:20 just above the median
10:25 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:30 just above the median
10:35 same as median
10:40 no change fed
10:45 no change fed
10:50 same as median
11:00 below median
11:05 below median
11:10 below median (shortly after , someone else feeds below crazybit so crazybit's feed becomes the median)
11:15 no change fed (although median has increased)
11:20 same as median
11:25 no change fed
11:30 no change fed
11:35 same as median
11:40 same as median
and so on...
It's much more random than you make it seem.
Also, a GOOD price feed will set or match the median much more often.
If we were talking about the MEAN, it would be very suspicious I agree , as it would be VERY unlikely to be matched exactly.
Median however is just a value in the set of feeds. i.e. at any given time at LEAST once of the feeds will be the median price. If it's a good feed, this will happen more often than not. As some witnesses use the same or very similar scripts, it's very likely that MORE than 1 witness will feed that price.
it's really hard for me to teach you guys some common sence...@alt, You're wrong on this one.can you told me how obvious he is not follow the median price?
Crazybit FINALLY updated his feeding script (which you were right to be upset about) but he is not cheating now.
He is not FOLLOWING median price, instead his feed is SETTING median price most of the time (which means he is very accurate)
This becomes obvious if you don't track by hand but instead use zapata's tracker to look at his and other witnesses feeding activity: http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
did you see the snapshot about how exactely his feed price change after the median price?
and thank you, this chat show more clear that how exactely every 5 meniutes his price followed the median price. just choose the price from crazybit and median price.
in case you don't know how to see the chart, I will tell you the detail:
1. open http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/ (http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/)
2. input crazybit in publisher,
3. input 2018/12/26 10:00:00 am in "From"
4. check the box "feed median"
you will see a chart like below, you can see every 5 minutes(10:15, 10:20, 10:35, 11:00, 11:05, 11:10 etc), the feed price from crazybit will followed the median price.
10:05 just above the median
10:10 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:15 just above the median
10:20 just above the median
10:25 crazybit's feed becomes the median
10:30 just above the median
10:35 same as median
10:40 no change fed
10:45 no change fed
10:50 same as median
11:00 below median
11:05 below median
11:10 below median (shortly after , someone else feeds below crazybit so crazybit's feed becomes the median)
11:15 no change fed (although median has increased)
11:20 same as median
11:25 no change fed
11:30 no change fed
11:35 same as median
11:40 same as median
and so on...
It's much more random than you make it seem.
Also, a GOOD price feed will set or match the median much more often.
If we were talking about the MEAN, it would be very suspicious I agree , as it would be VERY unlikely to be matched exactly.
Median however is just a value in the set of feeds. i.e. at any given time at LEAST once of the feeds will be the median price. If it's a good feed, this will happen more often than not. As some witnesses use the same or very similar scripts, it's very likely that MORE than 1 witness will feed that price.
the probability of the match of his price and median price is less than lottery ticket.
no it isnt... MEDIAN != MEANsure I know it's median instead of average.
what's going on?@alt, Do not wast time of the community, let's make it simple, how about i share my active private key, feeding program(open sourced) and the config file to the community member who we both trust, let the community see who is lying, if you were wrong, you own me a apologize coz of u keep defaming me, and if i am cheating the community like what you said, i quit the witness by myself, apologize to the community, and leave the community forever. deal?it's fair.
you don't need share your key, you just need give your code and config file to a trusty memeber, log the price every 5 minutes to a file, check if it's accuracy as usually.
what's going on?@alt, Do not wast time of the community, let's make it simple, how about i share my active private key, feeding program(open sourced) and the config file to the community member who we both trust, let the community see who is lying, if you were wrong, you own me a apologize coz of u keep defaming me, and if i am cheating the community like what you said, i quit the witness by myself, apologize to the community, and leave the community forever. deal?it's fair.
you don't need share your key, you just need give your code and config file to a trusty memeber, log the price every 5 minutes to a file, check if it's accuracy as usually.
I am still wating
there is only one way to support you are not cheating, give your code and config file to a trusty one, and run it with the same accuracy.what's going on?@alt, Do not wast time of the community, let's make it simple, how about i share my active private key, feeding program(open sourced) and the config file to the community member who we both trust, let the community see who is lying, if you were wrong, you own me a apologize coz of u keep defaming me, and if i am cheating the community like what you said, i quit the witness by myself, apologize to the community, and leave the community forever. deal?it's fair.
you don't need share your key, you just need give your code and config file to a trusty memeber, log the price every 5 minutes to a file, check if it's accuracy as usually.
I am still wating
just back from holiday, @clockwork already very kind to elaborate the feeding activity, but seems you still choose not to believe.
so i uploaded whole log https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ClIR80hPvOUAxyT7bZ_jjgH9__WdK5u9 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ClIR80hPvOUAxyT7bZ_jjgH9__WdK5u9) of pass months for your reference, my feeding program is bitshares-pricefeed@0.0.10, you also can download and review the source code from(https://github.com/crazybits/bitshares-pricefeed), the original config file is also pmed you, you could simulate the feeding activity by yourself.
if u still do not believe and insist on your previous conclusion , i think i have no ability to convince you.
let me give a math model.
le'ts suppose there is a reasonable price in every moments, it's x
the finally median price y is about random in a range of x*0.99 ~ x*1.01, or more.
suppose you are a honest witness, which give your feed price z in reasoanble, without any information about other's feed price and median price,
the posibility of z close to y less than 0.01% is about 0.01%/0.02, which is far more less than 1%
if you can do it twice, the possibility is 1%^2, less than 0.01%
if you can do it 3 times, it's 0.01^3.
but crazybit have do it every 5 minutes in almost 5 days, in both CNY/USD market.
of course if'ts very easy to get the information about others price, and median price
so with a cheating, you can get the accuracy very easy.
I didn't wanted to post here before since i haven't seen the code however i'm pretty good in math as i had also to study it.good to know you known how ridiculous the accuracy are.
When seeing first time this thread i instantly thought about probability calculation.
The probability calculation makes it hard to belive that this is just a coincidence or such a well defined script.
Alt explained it very well how big the mathamatical possibility is to hit exectly median price so often.
let me tell you where you wrong. the wrong part is you make a wrong assumption, and you keep to prove the mathematic impossibility of the wrong assumption, i gave you the source code, origin config file. and you make a conclusion again even do not simulate it.you still didn't tell me where I am wrong.
the finally median price y is about random in a range of x*0.99 ~ x*1.01, or more.
suppose you are a honest witness, which give your feed price z in reasoanble, without any information about other's feed price and median price,
the posibility of z close to y less than 0.01% is about 0.01%/0.02, which is far more less than 1%
This assumption is wrong. The median corresponds exactly to at least one witness-provided feed value. So for 25 witnesses the raw probability that the median is yours is 4%.even the probility is 4%, when it become 4%^10, it's still a task impossible.
This raw probability is in reality increased significantly by at least two more aspects:you should see other's line chat from my previous post. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27687.msg326833#msg326833
* When a witness publishes a new feed value, his feed is the most recent and therefore more likely to be close to x than anyone else's.
* Some witnesses publish a new feed only if that would change the median. (This is a simple optimization which is perfectly valid and acceptable if the feed is checked often.)exactely the opposite, crazybit never change the median, he always publish a new feed price which already in the median price, this means all his data is totally useless.
IMO if you publish a price only if it changes the median, and your price is likely to be close to the median, the conclusion is that your feed value will be chosen as the median quite often.
in case you don't know how to see the chart, I will tell you the detail:
1. open http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/ (http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/)
2. input crazybit in publisher,
3. input 2018/12/26 10:00:00 am in "From"
4. check the box "feed median"
you will see a chart like below, you can see every 5 minutes(10:15, 10:20, 10:35, 11:00, 11:05, 11:10 etc), the feed price from crazybit will followed the median price.
in fact everytime he refresh the feed price, he always drop to the median price exactely.
other time, they are the same. even at 10:05, when he just changed back from 30% higher price, he droped to the median price exately.
(http://wx1.sinaimg.cn/large/5d9c0487ly1fymorw7x6gj21fk0bkq3z.jpg)
after that, you can try to see other's feed price, you'll know what's the real price from outside should be.
here is a sample from magic wallet.witness, you can see every time he refresh the price, it's random arround the median price.
(http://wx1.sinaimg.cn/large/5d9c0487ly1fymp748nhjj21gl0dnmye.jpg)
just know feed tracker have the full data already,
now you can see the data between 12.26 to 12.31
what a perfect accuracy from crazybit
@stan, now you are the biggest proxy who support crazybit, what's your thought?
here is the full list of top proxy who support crazybit: beos openledger xeroc bitcrab cn-vote clockwork blockchain-bv still abit magicwallet.witness facem-1 spring-team dahu
(http://wx2.sinaimg.cn/large/5d9c0487ly1g2ddsthqtej21g20fntai.jpg)
just know feed tracker have the full data already,
now you can see the data between 12.26 to 12.31
what a perfect accuracy from crazybit
@stan, now you are the biggest proxy who support crazybit, what's your thought?
here is the full list of top proxy who support crazybit: beos openledger xeroc bitcrab cn-vote clockwork blockchain-bv still abit magicwallet.witness facem-1 spring-team dahu
(http://wx2.sinaimg.cn/large/5d9c0487ly1g2ddsthqtej21g20fntai.jpg)
While tracking the price alone is not the problem, I wonder how he manages to be that accurate and wouldn't even share that with the community.
I've removed my vote (again) and consider keeping it from crazybit unless he explains how he does that.
CNY:
target_price_algorithm: 'adjusted_feed_price'
target_price_adjustment_scale: 0
maximum_short_squeeze_ratio: 105
How ridiculous is this!!!
the feeding program is developed by community and open-sourced, you are lazy to simulate with the provided evidence, but keep asking unless questions and trying to impose your willingness on others.
i did a deep~~~ track on logs and the feeding activity i provided before, what i observers is it might drop on the "median" on most of times if you simulate with bitshares-pricefeed@0.0.10 and following config, i do not know whether it is as designed or program bug,you could have a try by your self。Code: [Select]CNY:
target_price_algorithm: 'adjusted_feed_price'
target_price_adjustment_scale: 0
maximum_short_squeeze_ratio: 105
what i see from this thread is Bitshares already controlled by a few whales, and many community members cannot distinguish what is right and wrong, what you do is just following, i don't care any more ,just do as you like.
The feed price should not be lower than the actual price that investors would pay if they bought BTS in the DEX.
It is now 2% lower.This is an important reason why the recharge rate is too high.
The feed price should not be lower than the actual price that investors would pay if they bought BTS in the DEX.
It is now 2% lower.This is an important reason why the recharge rate is too high.
Thats total nonsense.
Any whale could dictate the feedprice on DEX
The feed price should not be lower than the actual price that investors would pay if they bought BTS in the DEX.
It is now 2% lower.This is an important reason why the recharge rate is too high.
Thats total nonsense.
Any whale could dictate the feedprice on DEX
In the rest of the world the price you need to pay for ANY crypto is the price on exchange and the exchange rate from fiat to crypto.
Why is the price of any crypto in the world not the real price including the exchange rate ?
The answer because markets can't add the cost of exchange rate from any gateway and therefor they list only the market price.
If you pay a 1% ,3% ,5% or -2% gateway fee thats your choice.
I would like also to ask to stop following bitcrab blindly because its annoying seeing people with the same question which clearly try to enforce his agenda.
Use your own mind instead of following someone blindly
The result of your request (bitcrabs agenda) would be that we would have no more arbitrage for margin calls.
In the rest of the world the price you need to pay for ANY crypto is the price on exchange and the exchange rate from fiat to crypto.
Why is the price of any crypto in the world not the real price including the exchange rate ?
The answer because markets can't add the cost of exchange rate from any gateway and therefor they list only the market price.
If you pay a 1% ,3% ,5% or -2% gateway fee thats your choice.
I would like also to ask to stop following bitcrab blindly because its annoying seeing people with the same question which clearly try to enforce his agenda.
Use your own mind instead of following someone blindly
The result of your request (bitcrabs agenda) would be that we would have no more arbitrage for margin calls.
This might be the most reasonable reply.How ridiculous is this!!!
the feeding program is developed by community and open-sourced, you are lazy to simulate with the provided evidence, but keep asking unless questions and trying to impose your willingness on others.
i did a deep~~~ track on logs and the feeding activity i provided before, what i observers is it might drop on the "median" on most of times if you simulate with bitshares-pricefeed@0.0.10 and following config, i do not know whether it is as designed or program bug,you could have a try by your self。Code: [Select]CNY:
target_price_algorithm: 'adjusted_feed_price'
target_price_adjustment_scale: 0
maximum_short_squeeze_ratio: 105
what i see from this thread is Bitshares already controlled by a few whales, and many community members cannot distinguish what is right and wrong, what you do is just following, i don't care any more ,just do as you like.
I have removed my votes for crazybit.
The above comment proves that
a) it was NOT done on purpose IMHO but
b) crazy bit has no understanding of the various discussions on feeding
target_price_algorithm: 'adjusted_feed_price'
target_price_adjustment_scale: 0
The above are BSIP42 settings....Meaning it's based on negative feedback on the MEDIAN price.
When BSIP42 became inactive he just changed the feedback factor (target_price_adjustment_scale) to 0 so there was no feedback and just fed the last read median price outright.