Apparently he is starting his own firm.
I am not sure if this is good, bad or both.
With the upcoming release of the exchange, the hyped St. Martin trip, infomercial talk (garbage), and the Overstock rumblings, I can't help but wonder "why now"?
'I know that out of this event all kinds of opportunities are going to be opened up to me that I wouldn't have otherwise had'
Apparently he is starting his own firm.
I am not sure if this is good, bad or both.
With the upcoming release of the exchange, the hyped St. Martin trip, infomercial talk (garbage), and the Overstock rumblings, I can't help but wonder "why now"?
Maybe this is just me over-analysing, but tbh I did find it strange that in the St Martin video, whereas Stan is in a BitShares T-shirt and is all about 'We' and 'BitShares' as you'd expect, that Brian, 'The Marketing Director for BitShares' wasn't wearing a BitShares branded T-Shirt and was talking in terms of himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNYQuote'I know that out of this event all kinds of opportunities are going to be opened up to me that I wouldn't have otherwise had'
Must have been some good opportunities...
Apparently he is starting his own firm.
I am not sure if this is good, bad or both.
With the upcoming release of the exchange, the hyped St. Martin trip, infomercial talk (garbage), and the Overstock rumblings, I can't help but wonder "why now"?
Is this confirmed? If it is then that is not good. Do we even have a measurement of his success as marketing director? The infomercials aren't here yet, there is no marketing campaign that I can see.Maybe this is just me over-analysing, but tbh I did find it strange that in the St Martin video, whereas Stan is in a BitShares T-shirt and is all about 'We' and 'BitShares' as you'd expect, that Brian, 'The Marketing Director for BitShares' wasn't wearing a BitShares branded T-Shirt and was talking in terms of himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNYQuote'I know that out of this event all kinds of opportunities are going to be opened up to me that I wouldn't have otherwise had'
Must have been some good opportunities...
Very interesting observation. I never noticed that before.
Apparently he is starting his own firm.
I am not sure if this is good, bad or both.
With the upcoming release of the exchange, the hyped St. Martin trip, infomercial talk (garbage), and the Overstock rumblings, I can't help but wonder "why now"?
Is this confirmed? If it is then that is not good. Do we even have a measurement of his success as marketing director? The infomercials aren't here yet, there is no marketing campaign that I can see.Maybe this is just me over-analysing, but tbh I did find it strange that in the St Martin video, whereas Stan is in a BitShares T-shirt and is all about 'We' and 'BitShares' as you'd expect, that Brian, 'The Marketing Director for BitShares' wasn't wearing a BitShares branded T-Shirt and was talking in terms of himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNYQuote'I know that out of this event all kinds of opportunities are going to be opened up to me that I wouldn't have otherwise had'
Must have been some good opportunities...
Very interesting observation. I never noticed that before.
You guys worry too much.
Brian's new opportunity is to go make everything happen we've been talking about since St. Martin. We are delighted to have Brian launch his new company as we have been and will be when other Invictus spin-offs are announced. This has long been our publicly stated decentralization plan. We are building an industry of independent partners.
http://bitshares.org/community/partners/ (http://bitshares.org/community/partners/)
His company's modest first strategic objective is to double the market cap of BTSX a half-dozen times or so. I'm betting they will.
:)
As someone who's been an entrepreneur and self employed nearly all of my professional life, I've always been drawn to starting businesses. As of today, I'll once again be self employed, as I am launching a new marketing company. I'll continue on as brand champion for BitShares and will still be very involved with the BitShares team, but will no longer draw a salary. I believe there will soon be a real need to market and promote new DACs and I want to focus my efforts on doing just that.
One of our core values at BitShares has always been about decentralization. In the next six months I expect the pace of decentralization to increase, even among BitShares as an organization. We will have several businesses spring out of our core team, this one being just one of them. I have put together an incredible team of my own and our primary focus in the next couple months will be in improving and promoting BitSharesX, as well as strategic marketing for several upcoming DACs.
Expect in the near future to see a link for my company on the partners page and feel free to reach out if you're a project lead on a DAC and you'd like to discuss how we can help you with your marketing needs. Thanks BitShares forum, and here's to even greater days ahead for BitShares!
Bigger Than Bitcoin,
Brian
Do you have a marketing plan to show us or something we can use to measure progress behind your efforts?
So far Bitshares X isn't even showing signs of growth so a lot of us are skeptical right now. When will we see positive results and what do you plan to do?
You guys should seriously consider moving in a different direction with your marketing. This is a golden opportunity to have that conversation. Why don't you involve the community you currently have and come up with a stronger marketing plan.+5%
His company's modest first strategic objective is to double the market cap of BTSX a half-dozen times or so. I'm betting they will.+1
:)
His company's modest first strategic objective is to double the market cap of BTSX a half-dozen times or so. I'm betting they will.+1
:)
You guys should seriously consider moving in a different direction with your marketing. This is a golden opportunity to have that conversation. Why don't you involve the community you currently have and come up with a stronger marketing plan.
Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan. When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch. Do you guys agree? Let me know your thoughts.
The Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment).
Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan. When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch. Do you guys agree? Let me know your thoughts.
Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...
This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -QuoteThe Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment).
That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.
You guys should seriously consider moving in a different direction with your marketing. This is a golden opportunity to have that conversation. Why don't you involve the community you currently have and come up with a stronger marketing plan.Are you available? :P
He is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!Much sense, very move, So +5%
I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor. (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!
I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor. (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!
my 2 BTSXHe is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.
Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan. When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch. Do you guys agree? Let me know your thoughts.
Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...
This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -QuoteThe Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment).
That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.
The Stellar share drop via Facebook was a great way to market. The clean interface and straight forward signup process gave ordinary people the opportunity to obtain the new currency. As a result, many people outside of the crypto community now has Stellar. I don't think we can say the same for Bitshares. See the Stellar statshttps://www.stellar.org/stats/. I just hope we can borrow some aspects from this project and leverage them to our benefit.
I just want BitShares to succeed and adoption is critical to accomplish this end.
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!make sense, brian +5%
I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor. (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!
my 2 BTSXHe is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!
I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor. (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!
my 2 BTSXHe is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.
he is NOT stepping down.. just not taking sallery from i3 :)
he is NOT stepping down.. just not taking sallery from i3 :)
Ok. Great. Maybe now that he isn't getting paid, marketing productivity will increase. /s
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!
I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor. (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!
my 2 BTSXHe is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.
please correct me if Im wrong, wasn't the whole point of I3's existence and the AGS fund to "bootstrap" the DAC sector?
No offense, but the Marketing Director hasn't done much in terms of marketing and now that he is stepping down at a critical time like this, just seems odd and suspect. I am pretty sure people called for his resignation and he refused only to leave during critical times?
he is NOT stepping down.. just not taking sallery from i3 :)
Ok. Great. Maybe now that he isn't getting paid, marketing productivity will increase. /s
it is not correct . do you really believe he will not be get paid on a contract base from I3?Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!
I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor. (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!
my 2 BTSXHe is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.
please correct me if Im wrong, wasn't the whole point of I3's existence and the AGS fund to "bootstrap" the DAC sector?
No offense, but the Marketing Director hasn't done much in terms of marketing and now that he is stepping down at a critical time like this, just seems odd and suspect. I am pretty sure people called for his resignation and he refused only to leave during critical times?
you nailed it! sry to say it again. the problem here is not Brian stepping down, but how the whole job is done. this is a community driven project.
i want to see the contact lists he made for us with "our" money? as his employer (ok, it is really over the top ;) ) i want to have his contact datas, what was he working etc. it is not only Brians "problem" . I3 is in this point not open enough. Only to tell "something big is comming" is not enough. success comes with hard work and i see hard work on the coding side of bitshares, but without some data from parts like marketing it is only just hot air! maybe i am not big enough to get heard, or my english is as bad as i assume .
stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...
stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign..
stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing campaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...+5% Important to remember this is not a private forum for the BitShares support community.
stop complaining -- and start helping ....
stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...
What is the incentive to help for free if others are getting paid for doing nothing? (Abstracts question, I'm not pointing fingers at Brian, I don't know that much about marketing)
stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...
What is the incentive to help for free if others are getting paid for doing nothing? (Abstracts question, I'm not pointing fingers at Brian, I don't know that much about marketing)
We don't have access to those funds.
I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.
Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.
stop complaining -- and start helping ....
I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.
Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served. I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.
While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.
This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.
I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.
We don't have access to those funds.
I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.
Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.
I don't see much clarity in the symphony of products, ideas and efforts. Someone needs to scale the vision down and choose something that is easy to explain, brand and release on a systematic schedule. I understand the desire for concurrency; however, to use a programming analogue, don't try to implement a multithreaded application until you actually have the single threaded version working. There is too little mental bandwidth, consumer attention and resources for such a broad vision. Pick something, ship it well and grow from it.
I think share drops via facebook are great and so are faucets but we need to find cost effective ways to get people excited about WE are doing. Does anyone feel like there is a buzz around Nxt,XMR,Ether, heck even the Stellar thread on bitcointalk is 45 pages. While we post (hit about 5 pages )about exciting things and no one seems to care but us........Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan. When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch. Do you guys agree? Let me know your thoughts.
Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...
This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -QuoteThe Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment).
That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.
The Stellar share drop via Facebook was a great way to market. The clean interface and straight forward signup process gave ordinary people the opportunity to obtain the new currency. As a result, many people outside of the crypto community now has Stellar. I don't think we can say the same for Bitshares. See the Stellar statshttps://www.stellar.org/stats/. I just hope we can borrow some aspects from this project and leverage them to our benefit.
I just want BitShares to succeed and adoption is critical to accomplish this end.
stop complaining -- and start helping ....
I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.
Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served. I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.
While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.
This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.
I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.
We don't have access to those funds.
I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.
Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.
I think share drops via facebook are great and so are faucets but we need to find cost effective ways to get people excited about WE are doing. Does anyone feel like there is a buzz around Nxt,XMR,Ether, heck even the Stellar thread on bitcointalk is 45 pages. While we post (hit about 5 pages )about exciting things and no one seems to care but us........Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan. When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch. Do you guys agree? Let me know your thoughts.
Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...
This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -QuoteThe Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment).
That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.
The Stellar share drop via Facebook was a great way to market. The clean interface and straight forward signup process gave ordinary people the opportunity to obtain the new currency. As a result, many people outside of the crypto community now has Stellar. I don't think we can say the same for Bitshares. See the Stellar statshttps://www.stellar.org/stats/. I just hope we can borrow some aspects from this project and leverage them to our benefit.
I just want BitShares to succeed and adoption is critical to accomplish this end.
I don't think the issue is with our technology it's with the fact that
a.pts/ags make it simple
b.forum is a mess (we all know it), even if we get them to come they can't find any information quickly
c.Marketing??? ::)
d.Image
On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0
Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.
Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5, Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.
That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.
On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0
Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.
Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5, Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.
That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.
On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0
Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.
Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5, Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.
That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.
1x to 7th Place
2x to 4th Place
4x to 3rd Place
10x to 2nd Place
Then people start rebalancing their assets from checking (Bitcoin) to savings (BitShares).
I keep a few percent of my assets in checking.
8).
hi stan, you are really a excellent "Propaganda Minister"; but I am not easily led to another wrong direction.
the first target of all company should be profit. the same to the new company fo Mr.Bxxx. I guess something changed and you may not tell us everything because of business reason.
OK. could you share more information about the progress and chance for BTSx to co-operate with Overstock?
by the way, why not you to be the next "Propaganda Minister" or marketing dept head? this is not joke.On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0
Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.
Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5, Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.
That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.
1x to 7th Place
2x to 4th Place
4x to 3rd Place
10x to 2nd Place
Then people start rebalancing their assets from checking (Bitcoin) to savings (BitShares).
I keep a few percent of my assets in checking.
8).
hi stan, you are really a excellent "Propaganda Minister"; but I am not easily led to another wrong direction.
the first target of all company should be profit. the same to the new company fo Mr.Bxxx. I guess something changed and you may not tell us everything because of business reason.
OK. could you share more information about the progress and chance for BTSx to co-operate with Overstock?
by the way, why not you to be the next "Propaganda Minister" or marketing dept head? this is not joke.On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0
Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.
Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5, Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.
That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.
1x to 7th Place
2x to 4th Place
4x to 3rd Place
10x to 2nd Place
Then people start rebalancing their assets from checking (Bitcoin) to savings (BitShares).
I keep a few percent of my assets in checking.
8).
Everything mentioned here is 100% the way we see it:
Dan laid out our powerful case for Overstock here for everyone including our competitors to read :https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6818.msg90388#msg90388
"Can't touch this"(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/tumblr_mi2utg3sgw1s559c9o1_500.gif)
Brian has the assignment to get BTSX into second place ASAP and his team has the incentives and capabilities to do so. Independently, so does our China team.
We will get to 10x because of the attention we get from reaching 4x
We will get to 4x because of the attention we get from reaching 2x
We will get to 2x because we are in 7th place with almost no marketing
...by bumping Doge who got there with nothing but marketing.
So, starting from zero, how much marketing should it take to double the number of people who want to own BTSX?
The planned China and St Martin marketing efforts just have to get the ball rolling.
(And either one of them is able to easily reach 10x more people all by themselves.)
I'd like to say and talk, but there are at least another 1.21 gigaBTSX that are not yet in strong enough hands...
:)
Yes, but how does his new company earn profits? How does it acquire funds to pay its expenses? From whence its cash flow? I'm just trying to understand the business model.
I am confused as to how marketing efforts are supposed to be evaluated by market cap. The relationship is simply corollary. I can not think of how this could be an effective measure of the success of a marketing campaign longterm, nor how you would be able create an efficient contractual relationship between the two parties.
Is there a precedent for this kind of arrangement? Has there been a Fortune 500 company that contracts its marketing companies or pays its marketing department based on fluctuations in its market cap? If so, I would love to see the data on it. If I were a marketing company I would love this arrangement as I could pick the hottest companies as clients, sign a deal, do no real work and just hope that the market effect allows the market cap to increase, and then enjoy success. I would sign as many deals as possible. I am absolutely not suggesting that this happening, but pointing it out as a an obvious potential flaw in this type of structure.
I am confused as to how marketing efforts are supposed to be evaluated by market cap. The relationship is simply corollary. I can not think of how this could be an effective measure of the success of a marketing campaign longterm, nor how you would be able create an efficient contractual relationship between the two parties.
Is there a precedent for this kind of arrangement? Has there been a Fortune 500 company that contracts its marketing companies or pays its marketing department based on fluctuations in its market cap? If so, I would love to see the data on it. If I were a marketing company I would love this arrangement as I could pick the hottest companies as clients, sign a deal, do no real work and just hope that the market effect allows the market cap to increase, and then enjoy success. I would sign as many deals as possible. I am absolutely not suggesting that this happening, but pointing it out as a an obvious potential flaw in this type of structure.
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.Once I better understood what BitShares was trying to do it made sense that this isn't a tool looking for adoption by the masses. It's a tool for businesses and those that work/play in the ForEx and equities markets.
BTC is what is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.
BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.
We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.
I3/Brian are doing this right.
I'd like to see bitUSD and bitEURfor the masses!
Ugh
I am confused as to how marketing efforts are supposed to be evaluated by market cap. The relationship is simply corollary. I can not think of how this could be an effective measure of the success of a marketing campaign longterm, nor how you would be able create an efficient contractual relationship between the two parties.
Is there a precedent for this kind of arrangement? Has there been a Fortune 500 company that contracts its marketing companies or pays its marketing department based on fluctuations in its market cap? If so, I would love to see the data on it. If I were a marketing company I would love this arrangement as I could pick the hottest companies as clients, sign a deal, do no real work and just hope that the market effect allows the market cap to increase, and then enjoy success. I would sign as many deals as possible. I am absolutely not suggesting that this happening, but pointing it out as a an obvious potential flaw in this type of structure.
This potential "flaw" is not lost on us and has been addressed. There are specific marketing objectives that are being put into place that must be executed. Primary focus is to bring money into the system. The product they are selling is BitUSD / Paypal... they bring customers stock price goes up. Very direct relationship for most companies. Obviously, signing a deal that doesn't require specific actions doesn't make sense. Paying bonuses based upon performance does.
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.Once I better understood what BitShares was trying to do it made sense that this isn't a tool looking for adoption by the masses. It's a tool for businesses and those that work/play in the ForEx and equities markets.
BTC is what is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.
BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.
We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.
I3/Brian are doing this right.
The DACs built with the toolkit will need to appeal to the masses if that's their market (music vs vote).
I see the marketing of this more like the marketing we see for DuPont, 3M, or Java. It's more about making people aware of the framework than trying to sell it to them so that when a DAC says it's built with BitShares people aren't hearing it for the first time.
With that in mind I too feel I3 is doing this right.
stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...
I'd like to see bitUSD and bitEURfor the masses!don't forget/underestimate bitCNY, see how strong our Chinese community is and how powerful the Chinese are in general right know... Don't forget that for the Chinese population (and not only) Bitshares is the ultimate tool to get economic free. They will "surprise " (some of) us, remember that...
+5% Yes, let's not ignore the largest market on the planet 8)I'd like to see bitUSD and bitEURfor the masses!don't forget/underestimate bitCNY, see how strong our Chinese community is and how powerful the Chinese are in general right know... Don't forget that for the Chinese population (and not only) Bitshares is the ultimate tool to get economic free. They will "surprise " (some of) us, remember that...
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.
BTC is what it is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.
BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.
We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.
I3/Brian are doing this right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin
Man... Once BTSX has the market functionality, I see no reason why strategic/marketing efforts wouldn't approach Winklevoss twins. Heck can you imagine BTSX listed as ETF on the NYSE?
Drool!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin
the same guys whonfought over intellectual property rights for facebook...that should give some clue as to how freedom loving they are and in what direction they want to help evolve the bitcoin ecosystem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin
the same guys whonfought over intellectual property rights for facebook...that should give some clue as to how freedom loving they are and in what direction they want to help evolve the bitcoin ecosystem.
Based on a movie full of inaccuracies everybody saw. Come on now! You can't deny there was a conflict of interest. Facebook settled with them, which to me looks like an admission of guilt.
When I hear people complaining about monopolies it reminds me of the South Park episode about Walmart. :)
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.Once I better understood what BitShares was trying to do it made sense that this isn't a tool looking for adoption by the masses. It's a tool for businesses and those that work/play in the ForEx and equities markets.
BTC is what is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.
BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.
We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.
I3/Brian are doing this right.
The DACs built with the toolkit will need to appeal to the masses if that's their market (music vs vote).
I see the marketing of this more like the marketing we see for DuPont, 3M, or Java. It's more about making people aware of the framework than trying to sell it to them so that when a DAC says it's built with BitShares people aren't hearing it for the first time.
With that in mind I too feel I3 is doing this right.
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.Once I better understood what BitShares was trying to do it made sense that this isn't a tool looking for adoption by the masses. It's a tool for businesses and those that work/play in the ForEx and equities markets.
BTC is what is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.
BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.
We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.
I3/Brian are doing this right.
The DACs built with the toolkit will need to appeal to the masses if that's their market (music vs vote).
I see the marketing of this more like the marketing we see for DuPont, 3M, or Java. It's more about making people aware of the framework than trying to sell it to them so that when a DAC says it's built with BitShares people aren't hearing it for the first time.
With that in mind I too feel I3 is doing this right.
Thats funny because I look at the platform as a great equalizer. A place where minnow and whale can compete with no edge. We could make a wallstreet where home user and billionaire all enjoy the same advantages of the software and ecosystem. Why only market from one group to one demographic? What possible advantages are there to making your average joe feel like we aren't interested in his business because he is a few zero's shy.
Millionaire's are both made and borne(born into money vs self made) lets just give them a level field to play on and let the pieces fall where they may.
stop complaining -- and start helping ....
I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.
Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served. I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.
While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.
This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.
I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.
We don't have access to those funds.
I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.
Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.
Instead of throwing out numbers of your high hopes and frankly unrealistic short term goals, layout the plans on how you intend to achieve those goals.
You do realize you could have taken out a full page ad in the LA times or a half page ad in the Wall St. Journal for most likely less than you paid the former Marketing Director.
Instead of throwing out numbers of your high hopes and frankly unrealistic short term goals, layout the plans on how you intend to achieve those goals.
You do realize you could have taken out a full page ad in the LA times or a half page ad in the Wall St. Journal for most likely less than you paid the former Marketing Director.
Would've been a great time for an ad...Too bad. >:(
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Article link: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-revolutionary-power-of-digital-currency-1422035061
Doesnt it feel to anyone else like we are lying when we tell people bitcoin is decentralized?
Should Have, Could Have, Would Have
Worst time for an ad. Until we have an easy to use wallet, that traffic isn't a huge benefit. Missed opportunities, we're moving forward and hope you join us.
Doesnt it feel to anyone else like we are lying when we tell people bitcoin is decentralized?
Bitcoin is decentralized. It's security/block production is just not evenly distributed amongst all users. Nothing will ever be completely distributed unless you live in a communist utopia with no elite ruling class. Bitshares is decentralized too. It has the potential to be more distributed than the current state of bitcoin thus making it more decentralized than Bitcoin. However, BitShares decentralization is calculated by share wealth and share wealth vote participation. If 100% of shares voted, the landscape of delegates would be very much the same because of a few elite/major share holders. These share holders/voters are no different than the large mining pools and mining operations for Bitcoin.
Then again, if you draw a large enough circle around something, it will always be centralized.
Doesnt it feel to anyone else like we are lying when we tell people bitcoin is decentralized?
Bitcoin is decentralized. It's security/block production is just not evenly distributed amongst all users. Nothing will ever be completely distributed unless you live in a communist utopia with no elite ruling class. Bitshares is decentralized too. It has the potential to be more distributed than the current state of bitcoin thus making it more decentralized than Bitcoin. However, BitShares decentralization is calculated by share wealth and share wealth vote participation. If 100% of shares voted, the landscape of delegates would be very much the same because of a few elite/major share holders. These share holders/voters are no different than the large mining pools and mining operations for Bitcoin.
Then again, if you draw a large enough circle around something, it will always be centralized.
I almost agree with this. I certainly love the "large enough circle" quotable quote.
The difference with BitShares is that it is at least possible for small stakeholders to unite to completely eliminate the influence of large stakeholders. In a more realistic situation, only delegates most agreed upon by BOTH the small holders AND big holders would likely reach the Top 101. If the small holders don't vote, oh well, they just agreed with the large holders. This is still, by definition, a generally acceptable outcome.
This is not possible with the other schemes you mentioned. There, the big guy's influence is absolute.
......Doesnt it feel to anyone else like we are lying when we tell people bitcoin is decentralized?...
I guess the real test or question would be is: if someone put 10% of BTC's cap into a mining operation, would they be able to attain as much network control as someone who buys 10% stake of BTS shares? Or would it be more.