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Title: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: sumantso on February 08, 2015, 07:50:09 am
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/14/firefox-closed-source-drm-video-browser-cory-doctorow

The culprit is Netflix. Do we have the tools to provide a solution? Ranging from DNS, to MUSIC style business on this blockchain itself, and maybe even our own browser (like Mist).
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: CLains on February 08, 2015, 03:03:20 pm
Maybe Solomon could get something together, https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=13900.0
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: cass on February 08, 2015, 09:05:26 pm
… maybe even our own browser (like Mist).

why not using mist and focus on other more priority tasks for now!

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Vitalik Butern produced yet another great blog post titled “On Silos” where he called for projects to work together on common infrastructure while focusing on their unique components rather than reinvent the wheel a dozen times. The primary concern is that there is a lot of duplicated effort among all of the various projects and we should focus on reusing components where possible.

http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/03/Cooperation-Amoung-Crypto-Projects/
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: VoR0220 on February 09, 2015, 01:36:19 am
… maybe even our own browser (like Mist).

why not using mist and focus on other more priority tasks for now!

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Vitalik Butern produced yet another great blog post titled “On Silos” where he called for projects to work together on common infrastructure while focusing on their unique components rather than reinvent the wheel a dozen times. The primary concern is that there is a lot of duplicated effort among all of the various projects and we should focus on reusing components where possible.

http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/03/Cooperation-Amoung-Crypto-Projects/

Excellent point. Though I think that DPOS is very capable of providing such an answer to netflix. DPOS opens up so many possibilities to address these kinds of applications.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: donkeypong on February 09, 2015, 01:44:45 am
Peertracks may be set up pretty well for this. Someone would just need to do the same thing for videos that it's doing for music files.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: VoR0220 on February 09, 2015, 02:02:30 am
Peertracks may be set up pretty well for this. Someone would just need to do the same thing for videos that it's doing for music files.

ha!
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: yellowecho on February 09, 2015, 02:49:44 am
Peertracks may be set up pretty well for this. Someone would just need to do the same thing for videos that it's doing for music files.

ha!

Exactly.  That's the beauty of the BitShares protocol.  In fact, if Peertracks proves successful then they could launch Peerflicks using the same model.  BitShares is going to blow minds in 2015.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: VoR0220 on February 09, 2015, 02:55:32 am
Peertracks may be set up pretty well for this. Someone would just need to do the same thing for videos that it's doing for music files.

ha!

Exactly.  That's the beauty of the BitShares protocol.  In fact, if Peertracks proves successful then they could launch Peerflicks using the same model.  BitShares is going to blow minds in 2015.

I think Peertracks and Cob lack an innovative mindset and that's why they're being so hush hush about how exactly it will work. I think they have an outdated business model and I hope to show why in the coming months. :) Either way...may the best man win.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: donkeypong on February 09, 2015, 03:03:58 am

I think Peertracks and Cob lack an innovative mindset and that's why they're being so hush hush about how exactly it will work. I think they have an outdated business model and I hope to show why in the coming months. :) Either way...may the best man win.

I'm not sure sure I know enough about their model to make that kind of conclusion, but I'm fully behind what they are doing. If you fork, please don't forget to drop some on the community.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: VoR0220 on February 09, 2015, 03:06:27 am

I think Peertracks and Cob lack an innovative mindset and that's why they're being so hush hush about how exactly it will work. I think they have an outdated business model and I hope to show why in the coming months. :) Either way...may the best man win.

I'm not sure sure I know enough about their model to make that kind of conclusion, but I'm fully behind what they are doing. If you fork, please don't forget to drop some on the community.

Won't be forking Peertracks. Will be forking Bitshares though and I do plan on sharedropping. I'm quite fed up with the lack of transparency around the project but just based on what he has alluded (central server, royalty payments) I don't like it one bit.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: donkeypong on February 09, 2015, 04:33:00 am
They seem to want to pick up market share first and go from there. We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: jaran on February 09, 2015, 04:47:12 am
I think Peertracks and Cob lack an innovative mindset and that's why they're being so hush hush about how exactly it will work. I think they have an outdated business model and I hope to show why in the coming months. :) Either way...may the best man win.

I would be interested to see in what you come up with when you are ready, as i am sure others would as well. 

I think from what we know of peertracks it could turn out to be a good thing, but i agree with you on the transparency front.  The last newsletter with the crap about oh google and apple will copy us just made me roll my eyes.  Nobody realizes just how slow big companies, even innovative ones, move.  Unless they have been planning something similar for a very long time it wont be coming out anytime soon.  I also cant see them getting into  uncharted territory with cryptocurrency and concepts such as token buy backs that skirt selling stakes in a individual or company type laws without startups testing the waters and marketplace first.

Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: VoR0220 on February 09, 2015, 05:03:24 am
I think Peertracks and Cob lack an innovative mindset and that's why they're being so hush hush about how exactly it will work. I think they have an outdated business model and I hope to show why in the coming months. :) Either way...may the best man win.

I would be interested to see in what you come up with when you are ready, as i am sure others would as well. 

I think from what we know of peertracks it could turn out to be a good thing, but i agree with you on the transparency front.  The last newsletter with the crap about oh google and apple will copy us just made me roll my eyes.  Nobody realizes just how slow big companies, even innovative ones, move.  Unless they have been planning something similar for a very long time it wont be coming out anytime soon.  I also cant see them getting into  uncharted territory with cryptocurrency and concepts such as token buy backs that skirt selling stakes in a individual or company type laws without startups testing the waters and marketplace first.

eg-fucking-xactly!
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: muse-umum on February 09, 2015, 06:43:14 am

I think Peertracks and Cob lack an innovative mindset and that's why they're being so hush hush about how exactly it will work. I think they have an outdated business model and I hope to show why in the coming months. :) Either way...may the best man win.

I'm not sure sure I know enough about their model to make that kind of conclusion, but I'm fully behind what they are doing. If you fork, please don't forget to drop some on the community.

Won't be forking Peertracks. Will be forking Bitshares though and I do plan on sharedropping. I'm quite fed up with the lack of transparency around the project but just based on what he has alluded (central server, royalty payments) I don't like it one bit.

Why do we need such transparency?
IMHO, updating on forum aperiodically is enough for me.
BTS has been quite transparent from the time when it was born and I don't see we benefit much from it.
Have you seen any successful company explaining to its shareholders what they are doing everyday?
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: VoR0220 on February 09, 2015, 07:02:00 am

I think Peertracks and Cob lack an innovative mindset and that's why they're being so hush hush about how exactly it will work. I think they have an outdated business model and I hope to show why in the coming months. :) Either way...may the best man win.

I'm not sure sure I know enough about their model to make that kind of conclusion, but I'm fully behind what they are doing. If you fork, please don't forget to drop some on the community.

Won't be forking Peertracks. Will be forking Bitshares though and I do plan on sharedropping. I'm quite fed up with the lack of transparency around the project but just based on what he has alluded (central server, royalty payments) I don't like it one bit.

Why do we need such transparency?
IMHO, updating on forum aperiodically is enough for me.
BTS has been quite transparent from the time when it was born and I don't see we benefit much from it.
Have you seen any successful company explaining to its shareholders what they are doing everyday?

Still have yet to see a true white paper. Enough said?
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: MrJeans on February 09, 2015, 07:32:07 am
This community, including the core dev team, was able to put up a bank on the blockchain.
And the bitshares toolkit is what was used to bootstrap bitsharesMUSIC. Yet the most conversation happening about Peertracks is outside of their sub-forum (for eg here).

The community could be massively useful in providing ideas and solutions if they would only want to engage us...
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: muse-umum on February 09, 2015, 08:46:10 am

I think Peertracks and Cob lack an innovative mindset and that's why they're being so hush hush about how exactly it will work. I think they have an outdated business model and I hope to show why in the coming months. :) Either way...may the best man win.

I'm not sure sure I know enough about their model to make that kind of conclusion, but I'm fully behind what they are doing. If you fork, please don't forget to drop some on the community.

Won't be forking Peertracks. Will be forking Bitshares though and I do plan on sharedropping. I'm quite fed up with the lack of transparency around the project but just based on what he has alluded (central server, royalty payments) I don't like it one bit.

Why do we need such transparency?
IMHO, updating on forum aperiodically is enough for me.
BTS has been quite transparent from the time when it was born and I don't see we benefit much from it.
Have you seen any successful company explaining to its shareholders what they are doing everyday?

Still have yet to see a true white paper. Enough said?

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9360.0

Is it enough?
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: VoR0220 on February 09, 2015, 09:08:41 am

I think Peertracks and Cob lack an innovative mindset and that's why they're being so hush hush about how exactly it will work. I think they have an outdated business model and I hope to show why in the coming months. :) Either way...may the best man win.

I'm not sure sure I know enough about their model to make that kind of conclusion, but I'm fully behind what they are doing. If you fork, please don't forget to drop some on the community.

Won't be forking Peertracks. Will be forking Bitshares though and I do plan on sharedropping. I'm quite fed up with the lack of transparency around the project but just based on what he has alluded (central server, royalty payments) I don't like it one bit.

Why do we need such transparency?
IMHO, updating on forum aperiodically is enough for me.
BTS has been quite transparent from the time when it was born and I don't see we benefit much from it.
Have you seen any successful company explaining to its shareholders what they are doing everyday?

Still have yet to see a true white paper. Enough said?

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9360.0

Is it enough?

Not a technical paper. Doesn't explain how they plan to accomplish these goals. Sure, these all sound great on their face and I liked the paper when it first dropped. But the desire for a technical paper about HOW they plan to do this has been there and has failed to appear.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: Pheonike on February 09, 2015, 09:53:24 am
They are working with labels an other organizations that don't want details coming out too soon. That was probably a major condition for being involved with project.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: donkeypong on February 09, 2015, 03:03:50 pm
This community, including the core dev team, was able to put up a bank on the blockchain.
And the bitshares toolkit is what was used to bootstrap bitsharesMUSIC. Yet the most conversation happening about Peertracks is outside of their sub-forum (for eg here).

The community could be massively useful in providing ideas and solutions if they would only want to engage us...

Actually, I've learned a lot each time Cob or Eddie has explained something to this community. One thing I've learned is that these guys probably know a hell of a lot more about this business than we do. Let's let them do their thing and get this started. Then we can decide how it should be adjusted.
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: joele on February 09, 2015, 03:18:59 pm
This community, including the core dev team, was able to put up a bank on the blockchain.
And the bitshares toolkit is what was used to bootstrap bitsharesMUSIC. Yet the most conversation happening about Peertracks is outside of their sub-forum (for eg here).

The community could be massively useful in providing ideas and solutions if they would only want to engage us...

Actually, I've learned a lot each time Cob or Eddie has explained something to this community. One thing I've learned is that these guys probably know a hell of a lot more about this business than we do. Let's let them do their thing and get this started. Then we can decide how it should be adjusted.

 +5%
Title: Re: Forget MUSIC, we need BitFLIX
Post by: yellowecho on February 09, 2015, 03:35:29 pm
Actually, I've learned a lot each time Cob or Eddie has explained something to this community. One thing I've learned is that these guys probably know a hell of a lot more about this business than we do. Let's let them do their thing and get this started. Then we can decide how it should be adjusted.

 +5% From what I've read so far the approach Cob and Eddie are taking makes a lot of sense.  It seems they're taking advantage of the strengths blockchain technology can offer (speed, security, proof of consensus, low-costs, auto-pay, etc) and marrying it with the strengths a company can offer (license agreements, use protection, fast/ robust servers, etc) to create a viable yet completely different competitor to Songza, Spotify, iTunes, and the like.  I think we should wait until they release Peertracks before criticizing.. I have a feeling it's going to pretty dang cool.