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Quote from: Ander on May 22, 2015, 04:11:25 amYeah, I'm angry it got so low. And I'm loving this. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Yeah, I'm angry it got so low. And I'm loving this.
Quote from: Ander on May 22, 2015, 04:02:12 amI hope the price continues going up so fast that bears in this thread cannot get back in. Anger much? Price goes up, price goes down. What's new?
I hope the price continues going up so fast that bears in this thread cannot get back in.
this summer
I would never borrow money to buy crypto. Even if this is a 'sure thing', the timing is never certain. Since I'm fortunate not to need a loan for this, I will continue to buy BitShares.
I would never borrow money to buy crypto.
Quote from: Ander on April 30, 2015, 07:31:29 pmQuote from: Chuckone on April 30, 2015, 06:59:57 pmI'm even thinking of borrowing money to increase my position (nothing I can't afford to lose of course).Bitshares needs strong hands, I intend to play my part!It might be the right time, but I would like to point out that borrowing money in order to buy is the weakest hand of all. Because if it goes down you must sell to pay back the borrowed money. Strong hands means people who bought, not on margin, not with borrowed money, and who do not intend to sell if the price declines, under any circumstances. Strong hands is people who are buying who also have plenty more cash available to continue to buy more if the prices stays down or goes even lower.I don't plan on selling any BTS to pay back a loan (that is if I take one), if it happens I will pay it back with my tax return that is on the way. And I'll be coming into more available money on a continuous basis, so if it keeps falling in the long run, I'll be there to buy cheap BTS. I never sold any BTS I bought and I've been around almost since the beginning (AGS donator, PTS holder). I had plenty of occasions to cut off my loss, but never did. I've always been a value investor on the stock market, and IMO Bitshares is seriously undervalued. But that's my opinion, so I might be wrong.Anyway, although I'm a small time investor, I believe I'm part of a minority who only bought and never sold, and I don't plan to sell at all. Except maybe if BTS reaches 1-2$, I might cash in on part of my investment, only to avoid overexposure to cryptos compared to my other investments. I live frugally on an engineer salary and invest everything I can spare, and I try to diversify as well (rental real estate, stock market and cryptos). Hopefully I'll be able to hit a homerun with at least some of those investments! Only time will tell. But you are right. Usually those who borrow to invest are the weekest hands, as they believe they will be able to cash in their profits and pay back their loans. But I've been investing long enough to know one shouldn't count on potential profits to pay back debts.
Quote from: Chuckone on April 30, 2015, 06:59:57 pmI'm even thinking of borrowing money to increase my position (nothing I can't afford to lose of course).Bitshares needs strong hands, I intend to play my part!It might be the right time, but I would like to point out that borrowing money in order to buy is the weakest hand of all. Because if it goes down you must sell to pay back the borrowed money. Strong hands means people who bought, not on margin, not with borrowed money, and who do not intend to sell if the price declines, under any circumstances. Strong hands is people who are buying who also have plenty more cash available to continue to buy more if the prices stays down or goes even lower.
I'm even thinking of borrowing money to increase my position (nothing I can't afford to lose of course).Bitshares needs strong hands, I intend to play my part!
Quote from: Frodo on April 30, 2015, 10:24:40 amNormally I don't speculate shortterm because I'm terrible at this but this time I do believe we hit the bottom. BitShares is worth slightly less than Nxt at the moment, that should seem like a realistic valuation to outsiders. If selling continues I would expect to see new buyers incoming.I hope I'm not terribly mistaken for once when an average guy on the street thinks it's bottom ...then it's normally not a bottom , from past experience . The bottom will happen when everybody don't believe there will be a bottom ...
Normally I don't speculate shortterm because I'm terrible at this but this time I do believe we hit the bottom. BitShares is worth slightly less than Nxt at the moment, that should seem like a realistic valuation to outsiders. If selling continues I would expect to see new buyers incoming.I hope I'm not terribly mistaken for once
Quote from: lzr1900 on April 30, 2015, 12:17:13 amQuote from: Ander on April 29, 2015, 07:58:41 pmlzr1900 sold. Its the bottom! sb.i sold at around 0.265-0.028.thats ~30% more than the price now..poor ander.Yes. If you are not happy with bts' performance, or rather non-performance, do yourself a favour, sell and don't look back.
Quote from: Ander on April 29, 2015, 07:58:41 pmlzr1900 sold. Its the bottom! sb.i sold at around 0.265-0.028.thats ~30% more than the price now..poor ander.
lzr1900 sold. Its the bottom!
Quote from: testz on April 29, 2015, 01:38:03 pmQuote from: lzr1900 on April 29, 2015, 01:12:46 pmQuote from: mf-tzo on April 26, 2015, 05:42:33 pm@Izr1900 Sell sell now...Run away while you can..It will further fall...Sell everything and buy again when it goes to $5 mil market cap..This is your last chance to sell BTS so high..after we break the $10 mil we will reach $5 mil within hours..lol..hahahahhaha happy i sold. sad for you HODL.Sell, sell, sell sold.Will buy back anytime.hahahahhahahahaha
Quote from: lzr1900 on April 29, 2015, 01:12:46 pmQuote from: mf-tzo on April 26, 2015, 05:42:33 pm@Izr1900 Sell sell now...Run away while you can..It will further fall...Sell everything and buy again when it goes to $5 mil market cap..This is your last chance to sell BTS so high..after we break the $10 mil we will reach $5 mil within hours..lol..hahahahhaha happy i sold. sad for you HODL.Sell, sell, sell
Quote from: mf-tzo on April 26, 2015, 05:42:33 pm@Izr1900 Sell sell now...Run away while you can..It will further fall...Sell everything and buy again when it goes to $5 mil market cap..This is your last chance to sell BTS so high..after we break the $10 mil we will reach $5 mil within hours..lol..hahahahhaha happy i sold. sad for you HODL.
@Izr1900 Sell sell now...Run away while you can..It will further fall...Sell everything and buy again when it goes to $5 mil market cap..This is your last chance to sell BTS so high..after we break the $10 mil we will reach $5 mil within hours..lol..
Quote from: Shentist on April 29, 2015, 05:23:25 amdid anyone thought about, that the voting shares are not changing?so, no supporting whale is selling. Exactly, you self enforcing idiot - only we, that we are paid do matter! The rest are nonsensical nuisances!Quote from: tonyk2 on April 29, 2015, 12:19:42 amQuote from: bitmeat on April 28, 2015, 11:33:31 pmMy guess: the hard core believers in BTS are the ones that short BitUSD and provide liquidity. Now they are being affected, and leaving BTS altogether, cutting their losses.Now they are leaving?That is a weird statement ... they have been leaving for months but hey... only those that work and being paid are considered to be contributing to Bitshares... the ones that have been warning for 6+ mo. and/or risking their money in a broken system are just complainers...F*en idiots - bitAssets 3.0 is months and months away... and the affiliate program gig - a total joke that will never work as a payment system for everything.In the mean time (6-9 mo. or so) let's continue killing the ones that are actually risking something to produce the actual product...they are not important...they are not paid by the blockchain....[edit]And btw the 30 days rule is not the issue....it is just the trigger that makes the overexposed bulls face reality...the real issues are 200% collateral from shorts( plus a soft collateral mind you) and a bug persistent for 2 months with no urgency to fix it....which is making expiring shorts (not the called ones) pay 10% penalty. But why hurry to fix it.?!...may 5 is fine as well and for less than 200% collateral?...let them fools wait for bitA 3.0....and those are/were not allowed to vote mind you....ignorant I know it all ...member.
did anyone thought about, that the voting shares are not changing?so, no supporting whale is selling.
Quote from: bitmeat on April 28, 2015, 11:33:31 pmMy guess: the hard core believers in BTS are the ones that short BitUSD and provide liquidity. Now they are being affected, and leaving BTS altogether, cutting their losses.Now they are leaving?That is a weird statement ... they have been leaving for months but hey... only those that work and being paid are considered to be contributing to Bitshares... the ones that have been warning for 6+ mo. and/or risking their money in a broken system are just complainers...F*en idiots - bitAssets 3.0 is months and months away... and the affiliate program gig - a total joke that will never work as a payment system for everything.In the mean time (6-9 mo. or so) let's continue killing the ones that are actually risking something to produce the actual product...they are not important...they are not paid by the blockchain....[edit]And btw the 30 days rule is not the issue....it is just the trigger that makes the overexposed bulls face reality...the real issues are 200% collateral from shorts( plus a soft collateral mind you) and a bug persistent for 2 months with no urgency to fix it....which is making expiring shorts (not the called ones) pay 10% penalty. But why hurry to fix it.?!...may 5 is fine as well and for less than 200% collateral?...let them fools wait for bitA 3.0....
My guess: the hard core believers in BTS are the ones that short BitUSD and provide liquidity. Now they are being affected, and leaving BTS altogether, cutting their losses.
Quote from: Ben Mason on April 26, 2015, 11:45:31 pmQuote from: fuzzy on April 26, 2015, 12:15:17 pmQuote from: Ben Mason on April 26, 2015, 09:50:22 amlzr1900 all we need is to be ready for when hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people wake up from their economic nightmare and begin searching for an alternative. Did you think Bitshares was going to be able to manifest a new global financial ecosystem with a few strokes of a magic keyboard and a new technology? Of course not.All the hard work, the innovation, the testing and the evolving composition of our community is about getting Bitshares ready for when it truly matters. As long as people are willing to continue to build Bitshares, who gives a rats arse about the price today? If you are purely motivated by profit, then it's the price in 5 to 10 years you want to be concerned with. I'm aware of only 1 truly decentralised market available to the world today and that is Bitshares. What is the one thing that people need and will crave to protect their financial freedom and stop the whole of humanity from being consumed by the greed and avarice of their slave masters? A truly decentralised market. Keep working hard, stay positive, stay the course and try to have patience. None of this is going to be easy.Wow ben, you and I need to talk more. ..With pleasure fuzzy. I'd have got back to you sooner but had a difficult day as my grandfather passed away rather suddenly after Sunday lunch. I take solace in his full life and the fact that I had only just been speaking to him about the amazing people all over the world who were working towards the magnificent goal of setting everyone free. And that for the first time, a wonderful technology gave that goal a realistic chance of success. I said it was a wonderful thing to be a part of and that his great grandchildren would live in a better world. He seemed genuinely moved and happy. I tell you this because of your integrity fuzzy and in the forum because so many of our fellow community members have inspired me and given me hope. That hope has in turn reached someone who knew nothing of crypto but worried for those he was leaving behind.My heart and condolences go out to you and your family.Wish you lots of power…I'm here for you if you need somebody to talk!Peace be with you.c
Quote from: fuzzy on April 26, 2015, 12:15:17 pmQuote from: Ben Mason on April 26, 2015, 09:50:22 amlzr1900 all we need is to be ready for when hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people wake up from their economic nightmare and begin searching for an alternative. Did you think Bitshares was going to be able to manifest a new global financial ecosystem with a few strokes of a magic keyboard and a new technology? Of course not.All the hard work, the innovation, the testing and the evolving composition of our community is about getting Bitshares ready for when it truly matters. As long as people are willing to continue to build Bitshares, who gives a rats arse about the price today? If you are purely motivated by profit, then it's the price in 5 to 10 years you want to be concerned with. I'm aware of only 1 truly decentralised market available to the world today and that is Bitshares. What is the one thing that people need and will crave to protect their financial freedom and stop the whole of humanity from being consumed by the greed and avarice of their slave masters? A truly decentralised market. Keep working hard, stay positive, stay the course and try to have patience. None of this is going to be easy.Wow ben, you and I need to talk more. ..With pleasure fuzzy. I'd have got back to you sooner but had a difficult day as my grandfather passed away rather suddenly after Sunday lunch. I take solace in his full life and the fact that I had only just been speaking to him about the amazing people all over the world who were working towards the magnificent goal of setting everyone free. And that for the first time, a wonderful technology gave that goal a realistic chance of success. I said it was a wonderful thing to be a part of and that his great grandchildren would live in a better world. He seemed genuinely moved and happy. I tell you this because of your integrity fuzzy and in the forum because so many of our fellow community members have inspired me and given me hope. That hope has in turn reached someone who knew nothing of crypto but worried for those he was leaving behind.
Quote from: Ben Mason on April 26, 2015, 09:50:22 amlzr1900 all we need is to be ready for when hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people wake up from their economic nightmare and begin searching for an alternative. Did you think Bitshares was going to be able to manifest a new global financial ecosystem with a few strokes of a magic keyboard and a new technology? Of course not.All the hard work, the innovation, the testing and the evolving composition of our community is about getting Bitshares ready for when it truly matters. As long as people are willing to continue to build Bitshares, who gives a rats arse about the price today? If you are purely motivated by profit, then it's the price in 5 to 10 years you want to be concerned with. I'm aware of only 1 truly decentralised market available to the world today and that is Bitshares. What is the one thing that people need and will crave to protect their financial freedom and stop the whole of humanity from being consumed by the greed and avarice of their slave masters? A truly decentralised market. Keep working hard, stay positive, stay the course and try to have patience. None of this is going to be easy.Wow ben, you and I need to talk more. ..
lzr1900 all we need is to be ready for when hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people wake up from their economic nightmare and begin searching for an alternative. Did you think Bitshares was going to be able to manifest a new global financial ecosystem with a few strokes of a magic keyboard and a new technology? Of course not.All the hard work, the innovation, the testing and the evolving composition of our community is about getting Bitshares ready for when it truly matters. As long as people are willing to continue to build Bitshares, who gives a rats arse about the price today? If you are purely motivated by profit, then it's the price in 5 to 10 years you want to be concerned with. I'm aware of only 1 truly decentralised market available to the world today and that is Bitshares. What is the one thing that people need and will crave to protect their financial freedom and stop the whole of humanity from being consumed by the greed and avarice of their slave masters? A truly decentralised market. Keep working hard, stay positive, stay the course and try to have patience. None of this is going to be easy.
Quote from: lzr1900 on April 28, 2015, 03:26:22 amhttp://www.btc38.com/altcoin/bts/Look at this statistics..about 250k CNY outflow from BTS this week..I'm wondering if that could have anything to do with the dacx completed funding rounds. Not sure when they ended but one would expect that they would have to withdraw the bitCNY at some point to buy the actual stock. A quick estimate looks like > 300k in fully funded campaign/offers. So this may not necessarily be a bad thing...
http://www.btc38.com/altcoin/bts/Look at this statistics..about 250k CNY outflow from BTS this week..
Quote from: jsidhu on April 27, 2015, 06:49:19 pmI have a feeling we hit bottom finally! I dont know, and I'm not going to say anything is a bottom anymore, but...That bter dump. I just bought bts in the 1800s. Bought over 400k in the past week (mostly on btc38) due to people dumping into low buy orders. First time I've done any real buying since the day bter went down. For two months after that I didnt really want to have anything to do with crypto, too painful. But the BTS price before was "low", now its absurd.
I have a feeling we hit bottom finally!
It is all BTC fault... BTS goes down only when:-BTC moves up;-BTC moves down;If BTC stays the same we will be in much better form.
Right and wrong. In this space, those who do not innovate are doomed to forkage.
There are three types of people in this situation: Those that add value, those that watch passively, and those that demand value. The first type is critical. The second type is needed. The third type is mostly just annoying.
Quote from: Carpet Ride on April 26, 2015, 08:11:57 pmWithout reiteration businesses fail. The direction we're going creates a more open platform with more options and gets rid of nothing. I don't understand how people are getting so fearful from this.Change is necessary and has always been. Exactly. You are right on the money. Those that leave room to innovate have a much better chance of success. Stand still and you will become irrelevant. Don't be afraid to change.
Without reiteration businesses fail. The direction we're going creates a more open platform with more options and gets rid of nothing. I don't understand how people are getting so fearful from this.Change is necessary and has always been.
Quote from: starspirit on April 26, 2015, 03:19:10 amQuote from: fuzzy on April 26, 2015, 02:51:56 amQuote from: lzr1900 on April 26, 2015, 02:49:10 amQuote from: yellowecho on April 24, 2015, 12:39:44 amQuote from: lzr1900 on April 24, 2015, 12:14:13 amsummer?Means nothing will happen on bitshares this 3-5months.sell signal.you never have anything positive to say. troll troll troll.you're not an investor, you're a complainer. We reach 0.0265cny now, seems will go down further.Look at the price.Who wants to buy more ?everytime we reach a new low,i am sure there will be some guy jump out and say "GREAT TIME TO BUY,I WILL BUY MORE MORE PRECIOUS BTS.." you pathetic poor guys.Bitshares is the best protocol at present. The constant changing is what is causing problems. So I hodl. I feel this is half-right, but it's the nature of the change that is important. In fact I believe constant change is absolutely necessary to becoming the best we ever can be. I think what is causing sentiment problems is the lack of a map. It's hard for people to see a clear direction. Without a clear map of what system design we are shooting for, and how each component will ultimately fit into it, the risk is that those changes can appear reactive and undirected.I do agree with you but id make it even simpler. Just have a plan and stick to it. The delegate system allows us to find consensus in ways other cryptos can only dream of having. DPOS is the only one out there. I tend to agree with you though on this topic and others..
Quote from: fuzzy on April 26, 2015, 02:51:56 amQuote from: lzr1900 on April 26, 2015, 02:49:10 amQuote from: yellowecho on April 24, 2015, 12:39:44 amQuote from: lzr1900 on April 24, 2015, 12:14:13 amsummer?Means nothing will happen on bitshares this 3-5months.sell signal.you never have anything positive to say. troll troll troll.you're not an investor, you're a complainer. We reach 0.0265cny now, seems will go down further.Look at the price.Who wants to buy more ?everytime we reach a new low,i am sure there will be some guy jump out and say "GREAT TIME TO BUY,I WILL BUY MORE MORE PRECIOUS BTS.." you pathetic poor guys.Bitshares is the best protocol at present. The constant changing is what is causing problems. So I hodl. I feel this is half-right, but it's the nature of the change that is important. In fact I believe constant change is absolutely necessary to becoming the best we ever can be. I think what is causing sentiment problems is the lack of a map. It's hard for people to see a clear direction. Without a clear map of what system design we are shooting for, and how each component will ultimately fit into it, the risk is that those changes can appear reactive and undirected.
Quote from: lzr1900 on April 26, 2015, 02:49:10 amQuote from: yellowecho on April 24, 2015, 12:39:44 amQuote from: lzr1900 on April 24, 2015, 12:14:13 amsummer?Means nothing will happen on bitshares this 3-5months.sell signal.you never have anything positive to say. troll troll troll.you're not an investor, you're a complainer. We reach 0.0265cny now, seems will go down further.Look at the price.Who wants to buy more ?everytime we reach a new low,i am sure there will be some guy jump out and say "GREAT TIME TO BUY,I WILL BUY MORE MORE PRECIOUS BTS.." you pathetic poor guys.Bitshares is the best protocol at present. The constant changing is what is causing problems. So I hodl.
Quote from: yellowecho on April 24, 2015, 12:39:44 amQuote from: lzr1900 on April 24, 2015, 12:14:13 amsummer?Means nothing will happen on bitshares this 3-5months.sell signal.you never have anything positive to say. troll troll troll.you're not an investor, you're a complainer. We reach 0.0265cny now, seems will go down further.Look at the price.Who wants to buy more ?everytime we reach a new low,i am sure there will be some guy jump out and say "GREAT TIME TO BUY,I WILL BUY MORE MORE PRECIOUS BTS.." you pathetic poor guys.
Quote from: lzr1900 on April 24, 2015, 12:14:13 amsummer?Means nothing will happen on bitshares this 3-5months.sell signal.you never have anything positive to say. troll troll troll.you're not an investor, you're a complainer.
summer?Means nothing will happen on bitshares this 3-5months.sell signal.
I think we should add code that doesn't allow bitshares to fall in price. Bytemaster, code this now and then release a version that takes bts to 10bil market cap in 30 days. Thnx in advance.
Not just us. Crypto recession continues.
lzr1900 all we need is to be ready for when hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of people wake up from their economic nightmare and begin searching for an alternative.
Quote from: lzr1900 on April 26, 2015, 02:49:10 amQuote from: yellowecho on April 24, 2015, 12:39:44 amQuote from: lzr1900 on April 24, 2015, 12:14:13 amsummer?Means nothing will happen on bitshares this 3-5months.sell signal.you never have anything positive to say. troll troll troll.you're not an investor, you're a complainer. We reach 0.0265cny now, seems will go down further.Look at the price.Who wants to buy more ?everytime we reach a new low,i am sure there will be some guy jump out and say "GREAT TIME TO BUY,I WILL BUY MORE MORE PRECIOUS BTS.." you pathetic poor guys.Bitshares is the best protocol at present. The constant changing is what is causing problems. So I hodl. Or at worst I hold bitUSD and bitYuanIs there really another crypto that let's you hedge against it internally? Answer: no. So I have no clue why you are so bearish...troll is harsh, but constant negativity with no real reason?