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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: Brent.Allsop on September 09, 2014, 05:42:58 pm
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It looks to me like the volume, pricing and market caps being reported in coinmarketcap.com
(http://coinmarketcap.com) only include that going on in centralized exchanges like BTC38, BTER, only for BTSX.
But what is the market cap and volume of BitUSD, and any other assets?
It doesn't look like any of them are being reported on coinmarketcap.com?
Is there an easy way to find out things like how many BitUSD are in existence, and volume, over time?
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It looks to me like the volume, pricing and market caps being reported in coinmarketcap.com
(http://coinmarketcap.com) only include that going on in centralized exchanges like BTC38, BTER, only for BTSX.
But what is the market cap and volume of BitUSD, and any other assets?
It doesn't look like any of them are being reported on coinmarketcap.com?
Is there an easy way to find out things like how many BitUSD are in existence, and volume, over time?
If there's not a direct way you can derive it (which I guess is fitting, though unrelated, to it being a derivative asset :o ) by looking at the asset stats. By tracking the delta in fees over time you can guestimate volume.
blockchain_get_asset USD
{
"id": 22,
"symbol": "USD",
"name": "United States Dollar",
"description": "1 United States dollar",
"public_data": "",
"issuer_account_id": -2,
"precision": 10000,
"registration_date": "20140719T000000",
"last_update": "20140719T000000",
"current_share_supply": 4868475216,
"maximum_share_supply": 1000000000000000,
"collected_fees": 19265679
}
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In theory, is the market cap always zero? For every one bitUSD in existence, someone owns a negative bitUSD? super-symmetry of finance
I think you're looking for "open interest" which really doesn't make sense on coinmarket cap. I could sell myself a billion bitUSD (with enough collateral), but it doesn't mean the market cap is a billion dollars.
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In theory, is the market cap always zero? For every one bitUSD in existence, someone owns a negative bitUSD? super-symmetry of finance
That's true. In reality the exchange owns all the bitUSD and we're all just borrowing it from the exchange, or buying it off someone else who is.
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Can someone do the math from that, and give us a total BitUSD in existence right now?
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From the looks of the exchange there is a shitload of volume.
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Can someone do the math from that, and give us a total BitUSD in existence right now?
You should definitely download the client aka the vault and put 5 BTSX in it.
80% of the questions you ask, have answers available through it.
blockchain_get_asset USD
{
"id": 22,
"symbol": "USD",
"name": "United States Dollar",
"description": "1 United States dollar",
"public_data": "",
"issuer_account_id": -2,
"precision": 10000,
"registration_date": "20140719T000000",
"last_update": "20140719T000000",
"current_share_supply": [b]4868475216[/b],
"maximum_share_supply": 1000000000000000,
"collected_fees": 19265679
}
486,847.5216 bitUSD
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Can someone do the math from that, and give us a total BitUSD in existence right now?
You should definitely download the client aka the vault and put 5 BTSX in it.
80% of the questions you ask, have answers available through it.
blockchain_get_asset USD
{
"id": 22,
"symbol": "USD",
"name": "United States Dollar",
"description": "1 United States dollar",
"public_data": "",
"issuer_account_id": -2,
"precision": 10000,
"registration_date": "20140719T000000",
"last_update": "20140719T000000",
"current_share_supply": [b]4868475216[/b],
"maximum_share_supply": 1000000000000000,
"collected_fees": 19265679
}
486,847.5216 bitUSD
Shit! That would put it at about #50 on coinmarketcap.com. Why isn't it there yet? How do we get it there?
Oh, and thanks for thinking for me, tonyk. I was one of the big investers in angel shares, so have a few more than 5 btsx. I am not always as dumb as I sound. I just like asking people, rather than reading json.
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bitUSD price is backed by BTSX so the bitUSD market cap is included in BitsharesX market cap.
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Can someone do the math from that, and give us a total BitUSD in existence right now?
You should definitely download the client aka the vault and put 5 BTSX in it.
80% of the questions you ask, have answers available through it.
blockchain_get_asset USD
{
"id": 22,
"symbol": "USD",
"name": "United States Dollar",
"description": "1 United States dollar",
"public_data": "",
"issuer_account_id": -2,
"precision": 10000,
"registration_date": "20140719T000000",
"last_update": "20140719T000000",
"current_share_supply": [b]4868475216[/b],
"maximum_share_supply": 1000000000000000,
"collected_fees": 19265679
}
486,847.5216 bitUSD
Shit! That would put it at about #50 on coinmarketcap.com. Why isn't it there yet? How do we get it there?
Oh, and thanks for thinking for me, tonyk. I was one of the big investers in angel shares, so have a few more than 5 btsx. I am not always as dumb as I sound. I just like asking people, rather than reading json.
I meant that if you are scared for your main funds, do not import them into the client/wallet/vault, yet.
Just buy $0.25 worth of BTSX and play with them for now.
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So is this why so many people haven't 'claimed' their genesis block shares yet, and can't vote them yet?
It seems to me, the private keys protecting everyone's unclaimed genesis block are not very well protected, especially if they were purchased by some third party or via coinbase.com. If they become compromised, they could disappear very fast, right? Am I wrong in thinking this is a far greater risk? Is it not far safer to move these genesis block BTSX to a new public private key, which you have more control over and know is safe?
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So is this why so many people haven't 'claimed' their genesis block shares yet, and can't vote them yet?
It seems to me, the private keys protecting everyone's unclaimed genesis block are not very well protected, especially if they were purchased by some third party or via coinbase.com. If they become compromised, they could disappear very fast, right? Am I wrong in thinking this is a far greater risk? Is it not far safer to move these genesis block BTSX to a new public private key, which you have more control over and know is safe?
You are one of them, tell me why you have not claimed them?
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bitUSD price is backed by BTSX so the bitUSD market cap is included in BitsharesX market cap.
This. It's that simple.
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There's an opportunity for someone to make a site or a widget that lists the bitAsset market cap leaderboard. It would also be interesting to see all those in one chart plotted over time against BTSX.
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In particular I'd like to see the progress of daily volumes for each Bit Asset. In my mind that is a key indicator of 'usage' increasing over time.
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So is this why so many people haven't 'claimed' their genesis block shares yet, and can't vote them yet?
It seems to me, the private keys protecting everyone's unclaimed genesis block are not very well protected, especially if they were purchased by some third party or via coinbase.com. If they become compromised, they could disappear very fast, right? Am I wrong in thinking this is a far greater risk? Is it not far safer to move these genesis block BTSX to a new public private key, which you have more control over and know is safe?
You are one of them, tell me why you have not claimed them?
No, I have claimed all of mine, for the reasons I've described. But you are making me wonder if this was a mistake to do this so soon?
Now I'm just trying to figure out how to vote all of them. If only I could get the vote indication system in the wallet to work, so I could know if I am being successful or not.
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So is this why so many people haven't 'claimed' their genesis block shares yet, and can't vote them yet?
It seems to me, the private keys protecting everyone's unclaimed genesis block are not very well protected, especially if they were purchased by some third party or via coinbase.com. If they become compromised, they could disappear very fast, right? Am I wrong in thinking this is a far greater risk? Is it not far safer to move these genesis block BTSX to a new public private key, which you have more control over and know is safe?
You are one of them, tell me why you have not claimed them?
No, I have claimed all of mine, for the reasons I've described. But you are making me wonder if this was a mistake to do this so soon?
Now I'm just trying to figure out how to vote all of them. If only I could get the vote indication system in the wallet to work, so I could know if I am being successful or not.
Wait a minute.
My personal opinion is that your BTSX are safe, as safe as anything else on your computer and as long as you have access to your backup and a strong enough password that you do not forget.
I just do not want somebody to come and say 'I lost 1Mill because tonyk told me it is safe to use the client', neither I am too much into proving negative facts. ( as in 'Your funds are NOT in danger')
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bitUSD price is backed by BTSX so the bitUSD market cap is included in BitsharesX market cap.
hmm .. this only means that the bitUSD cannot have a higher cap than btsx .. why not list it ALTHOUGHT its already listed indirectly?
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bitUSD price is backed by BTSX so the bitUSD market cap is included in BitsharesX market cap.
hmm .. this only means that the bitUSD cannot have a higher cap than btsx .. why not list it ALTHOUGHT its already listed indirectly?
This is a great debate.
I can appreciate arguments on both sides. But I vote for staying true to the toughest of all standards, even imposing tougher standards upon ourselves than anybody else can even imagine.
Plus, we do not really need another asset of ours in top 100, do we?
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I'll see if I can get volumes added to my assets page, shouldn't be too hard. The market cap is a little trickier cause you need to determine the price of a bitBTC and bitCNY etc, prices which aren't readily available atm. If I were to assume a 1:1 ratio for each asset it would of course be easier.
For now you can already find the current share supply, 487,800$ for USD and 29BTC for bitBTC for example, on the assets page. Those two are the only active assets currently, CNY has some shorts and asks but no trades so far.