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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: fuzzy on February 26, 2015, 09:35:32 pm
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Please vote above and give reasons why/why not below.
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Said this in the other thread, but here is my reason:
Bytemaster's weekly hangouts is one of the things that sets this project apart in terms of transparency. I hope they will continue at least until we are clear of these early stages and we have a healthy base of users on the exchange.
Is there any reason for them not to continue? Has the PR manager made a ruling?
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I don't know why they should not continue. Surely the benefits far outweigh any downside.
BitShares, like all other Blockchain offerings, will succeed or fail relative to its utility; developers; community. Those are not distinct from one another. The community takes confidence from the competence of the developers. That raw talent, is not something that can be communicated through intermediaries; any PR dulls the message.
If you are going to attract new talent and real savvy investors, who in turn will amplify the message, then you need to provide sight of what they are signing up to. If you only provide sight of the community and utility, allowing vague allusions and speculation on reality, rather than giving sight of the nuanced way that the devs are thinking, then you substantially weaken the attraction.
BitShares at its root should be about what makes Blockchain technology's potential - devolved power driven by real talent. Without open discussion about what is best, users are not encouraged to think about what is best and why they are committed to BitShares over an alternate that does hide its developers behind good PR.
If the users are truely in control and if BitShares is to be distributed, then you need to respect those users and provide them clear sight of the state of play; both so that they can understand and learn from that and so they might contribute.
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Yes absolutely. Bitshares is already losing developer mindshare when compared with projects like ethereum. The most recent mumble session where BM discussed scripting was especially interesting and relevant.
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Yes of course they should continue, but I have no problem with his appearance being shorter and where he has a pre-arranged plan of what to say and then just take a few questions. There doesn't need to be a long drawn out consultation every week, but hearing an update from him is good.
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Said this in the other thread, but here is my reason:
Bytemaster's weekly hangouts is one of the things that sets this project apart in terms of transparency. I hope they will continue at least until we are clear of these early stages and we have a healthy base of users on the exchange.
Is there any reason for them not to continue? Has the PR manager made a ruling?
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They have to continue, we need transparent information about what is going on, I have always found that the weekly hangouts are the best proof of transparency we have.
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Is there any reason for them not to continue?
This. Why wouldn't they continue? I'm rarely able to participate but I really enjoy listening to the Hangouts.. it keeps me up to date on things that I've missed on the forum and it's a great outlet for the community to discuss ideas.
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The openness of the dev team is what drew me into the PTS / BTS community. I have not seen any other community work together to solve complex issues as seen on this forum.
Was DevSahres created to be a testing ground for new radical features for BitShares? A simple solution might be to just start talking about changes to DevShares instead of BitShares. This gives everyone a chance to see if the radical idea's work or not.
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cuz freedoms.
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Yes of course they should continue, but I have no problem with his appearance being shorter and where he has a pre-arranged plan of what to say and then just take a few questions. There doesn't need to be a long drawn out consultation every week, but hearing an update from him is good.
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The openness of the dev team is what drew me into the PTS / BTS community. I have not seen any other community work together to solve complex issues as seen on this forum.
Was DevSahres created to be a testing ground for new radical features for BitShares? A simple solution might be to just start talking about changes to DevShares instead of BitShares. This gives everyone a chance to see if the radical idea's work or not.
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Along with the continued participation of bytemaster in the weekly hangouts, I would love to hear from many of the other core devs more often as well.
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I would like to know the reasoning behind why the mumble hangouts would be bad.
As far as I can remember it was mostly stuff on the blog, the forums and press quotes that caused pr problems.
Not only have some mumble sessions helped clear up a lot of issues, I also find the hangouts a better way to keep track of what's going on than trying to find the information spread out in threads on the forums.
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The openness of the dev team is what drew me into the PTS / BTS community.
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A simple solution might be to just start talking about changes to DevShares instead of BitShares. This gives everyone a chance to see if the radical idea's work or not.
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Along with the continued participation of bytemaster in the weekly hangouts, I would love to hear from many of the other core devs more often as well.
I will continue reaching out to them. If you have anyone in particular, please list them.
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I will continue reaching out to them. If you have anyone in particular, please list them.
Personally, Nikolai is the only other dev I'm aware of on these forums. I came here because of Dan and heard about Nikolai (toast) early on. I've seen others mentioned, but don't recall ever seeing or realizing one of them has posted here. So, I'd like to hear from anyone other than Dan or Nikolai (since I already know what their mindset is currently). I'm sure that's already happened, but I missed it and would like an updated interview with someone. That's my 2 bitSilver.
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I would like to know the reasoning behind why the mumble hangouts would be bad.
As far as I can remember it was mostly stuff on the blog, the forums and press quotes that caused pr problems.
Not only have some mumble sessions helped clear up a lot of issues, I also find the hangouts a better way to keep track of what's going on than trying to find the information spread out in threads on the forums.
That is also my impression!
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Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. ~ Einstein.
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I would like to know the reasoning behind why the mumble hangouts would be bad.
As far as I can remember it was mostly stuff on the blog, the forums and press quotes that caused pr problems.
Not only have some mumble sessions helped clear up a lot of issues, I also find the hangouts a better way to keep track of what's going on than trying to find the information spread out in threads on the forums.
That is also my impression!
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I suspect that moving to monthly meetings may be a good compromise.
I also think the bitshares TV venue is better organized and presented.
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I suspect that moving to monthly meetings may be a good compromise.
I also think the bitshares TV venue is better organized and presented.
BitShares TV would actually be the best venue, but mumble is ok as long as you don't talk about Bingo 8)
On a side note, scarcity increases the value of your time.
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Personally, Nikolai is the only other dev I'm aware of on these forums. I came here because of Dan and heard about Nikolai (toast) early on. I've seen others mentioned, but don't recall ever seeing or realizing one of them has posted here. So, I'd like to hear from anyone other than Dan or Nikolai (since I already know what their mindset is currently). I'm sure that's already happened, but I missed it and would like an updated interview with someone. That's my 2 bitSilver.
bytemaster and toast are certainly our most prolific posters, but Vikram and I do hang around here and post fairly often too.
I haven't been posting very much here lately because I think there's more value in spending my BitShares time actually, you know, writing code :)
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The openness of the dev team is what drew me into the PTS / BTS community. I have not seen any other community work together to solve complex issues as seen on this forum.
Was DevSahres created to be a testing ground for new radical features for BitShares? A simple solution might be to just start talking about changes to DevShares instead of BitShares. This gives everyone a chance to see if the radical idea's work or not.
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+5% 8)
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Personally, Nikolai is the only other dev I'm aware of on these forums. I came here because of Dan and heard about Nikolai (toast) early on. I've seen others mentioned, but don't recall ever seeing or realizing one of them has posted here. So, I'd like to hear from anyone other than Dan or Nikolai (since I already know what their mindset is currently). I'm sure that's already happened, but I missed it and would like an updated interview with someone. That's my 2 bitSilver.
bytemaster and toast are certainly our most prolific posters, but Vikram and I do hang around here and post fairly often too.
I haven't been posting very much here lately because I think there's more value in spending my BitShares time actually, you know, writing code :)
I am very impressed by your and vikram coding talent and more importly devotion. Thank you.
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I suspect that moving to monthly meetings may be a good compromise.
I also think the bitshares TV venue is better organized and presented.
I think it'd be a bad idea if we only heard from Dan once a month. Aside from the odd snafu, it's the number one thing that keeps me positive about this project. Especially at periods like now where I don't have much time to engage with the forum. If BM makes a mistake (e.g. Bingo/Lotto idea) he usually corrects course on his own or the community lets him know and things get resolved quickly. This is infinitely preferable to a news blackout.
I know fuzzy has been doing his best to get more voices heard and is also planning sessions with Cob and the team over at Music. This I applaud, the more delegates and prominent active community members we hear from the better IMHO.
With regards to BM and the status of Mumble sessions - at the very least let's have a weekly audio status update between fuzzy and BM and then just one Mumble chat per month. My preference would be for Mumble sessions to stay as they are - i.e. weekly. I think the vote of nearly 80% in favour would concur with this view.
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My personal preference would be to have an IRC session instead of Mumble. For the good and simple reason that I can probably read an hour's worth of discussion in 10 minutes if it's text (or even faster if I don't try to fully read it but just look for key terms). But if it's an hour of audio, there's no way I'll be able to get through it in less than an hour.
I'm well aware that the community loves the Mumble sessions and I'm just about the only person who feels this way...which makes it all the more important to throw my opinion out there.
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A year ago I read somewhere that the cryptocurrency that will rule them all will be the one who is the most transparent with the most united and supportive community. This community was the most united and transparent and I always thought that Bitshares will rule everything else out there. Stan's posts, Dan's economic theories and thoughts, Agend86 and many others arguments were an inspiration for me and I was very happy to be part of this community.
For a while now this community has been divided. Agend86 and many others seem to have lost interest in arguing...This is sad and is reflected in the pump and dump of BTS depsite all the amazing developments the last couple of months.
If BM stops hanging around in the forum and doesn't give us updates BTS will be like a casino. We might have more odds to make profits by playing black or white in the roulette rather investing in BTS. Play and Music might be awesome in the future. Do you really think that these may ever outperform BTS? I am pretty sure that they won't because their forums is not very active and most people in here do not know about any developments and progress.
Decentralization is good. But only when it is mature. At these early stages we need a leader to inspire others and BM is that leader and with the combination of Stan's inspirational posts they must re-unite the community.
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Right now I don't know what the value is for Dan to keep doing the mumbles every week. We all know that the main goal is to get to 1.0. After we achieve 1.0 I believe he will come back to the forums and gauge interest in different activities (Bond markets, Options, Trading terminal, etc). Spending time on the forums is distracting and takes time away from our immediate goal of releasing a 1.0 client.
Also if there are large business development dealing going on behind the scenes, I don't think he wants to take a risk that he lets something slip out before the proper time. It's like the "quite" period a company has before announcing earnings.
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30 min. per week in a hangout and 10 min per day on the forum is sufficient. No need to spend hours in here but no need to suddenly disappear and keep everything behind the scenes..
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Maybe you can do a weekly Q/A like they do for the Star Citizen game on Bitshares.TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZm3iwplH_s
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Right now I don't know what the value is for Dan to keep doing the mumbles every week. We all know that the main goal is to get to 1.0. After we achieve 1.0 I believe he will come back to the forums and gauge interest in different activities (Bond markets, Options, Trading terminal, etc). Spending time on the forums is distracting and takes time away from our immediate goal of releasing a 1.0 client.
Also if there are large business development dealing going on behind the scenes, I don't think he wants to take a risk that he lets something slip out before the proper time. It's like the "quite" period a company has before announcing earnings.
+5% I agree
As much as it would suit me, to have Dan and the team hangout in my living room everyday and chat about Bitshares. Its ultimately selfish to demand this and doesn't consider a great number of quality business and workflow practices. Movers and shakers will find the proper communication channels. The "hard to reach" quality acts as a filter to optimize and streamline your time. It would be very easy for Dan to waste 100% of his time engaging the community, much to our delight, answering questions and giving a play by play update on every thought that comes to him. And again, Im sure this would be very enjoyable for all of us, we would cheer and praise his open transparency,,, but ultimately would add little to no value to Bitshares, nothing would get done.
I'm all for having updates from the 'core' team. I don't think they need to be weekly or even scheduled. When Dan has something important to share with the community he will do it, and hopefully with the assistance of PR. The public is a monstrously greedy and self serving machine and a professional operation would do well to guard against it. Dan has a plethora of people to help him through tough problems. He can reach out to these people as he needs. He's not going to get this from the general public. The weekly chat likely does nothing to help Dan get things done.
If I had to choose. Either Dan spends a couple hours preparing for and engaging in a weekly chat or spends those hours working on fixing all the annoying bugs in the client. Obviously I want the working client. Joe schmoe can ask his questions in the forum and wait for a newsletter or official update. Its non-sense to think Dan should have to keep us all informed of what he's doing all the time. We will *see it when its done.
I like the idea of using bitshares.tv instead for these updates. short and sweet, structured and professional. Even just a newsletter would suffice.
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1 blog post, 1 newsletter update, 1 mumble and 1 bitsharestv each month, it all adds up, especially if we want to make sure to avoid a PR-mess. But there must be a middle ground here somewhere, minimizing the weight on BM and still getting the good word out there.
Done right these things add massive value.
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1 blog post, 1 newsletter update, 1 mumble and 1 bitsharestv each month, it all adds up, especially if we want to make sure to avoid a PR-mess. But there must be a middle ground here somewhere, minimizing the weight on BM and still getting the good word out there.
Done right these things add massive value.
This! +5%
Do one of these each week and people will constantly have new stuff to listen to and read. This would be a very good routine. People would already know what to expect each week and the people who do those wouldn't waste too much time and effort as they would only do 1 per month.
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1 blog post, 1 newsletter update, 1 mumble and 1 bitsharestv each month, it all adds up, especially if we want to make sure to avoid a PR-mess. But there must be a middle ground here somewhere, minimizing the weight on BM and still getting the good word out there.
Done right these things add massive value.
+1 fully agree. The blog is very important, in my opinion is more important than even the hangouts.
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1 blog post, 1 newsletter update, 1 mumble and 1 bitsharestv each month, it all adds up, especially if we want to make sure to avoid a PR-mess. But there must be a middle ground here somewhere, minimizing the weight on BM and still getting the good word out there.
Done right these things add massive value.
+1 fully agree. The blog is very important, in my opinion is more important than even the hangouts.
I find it interesting that the things I feel are most valuable in this community seem to be closer to being on the chopping block lately. I think it is just reactions based in fear. I mean really, BTS is pretty much a guaranteed win these days. Our community is solid as a rock...even when waves crash into us we hold firm.
The tech is, well, sexy...
All we really need now is to be patient and work together while the devs continue to push out code and watch all the marketing efforts and UIA's getting issued.
I am personally more bullish on bts every day...
Thanks for voting to those who participated. And thank you all for your opinions.