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Title: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: MktDirector on July 31, 2014, 03:39:47 am
Hey guys. We just had an incredible dinner meeting with Kevin Harrington of Shark Tank fame (as well as a dozen other equally successful business leaders and high net worth individuals from around the globe).  He's a fricking rockstar in business and very interested in what BitShares is doing.  We'll be spending all day with him tomorrow to see what may be possible.   

Dan absolutley got everyone here buzzing about BitShares, I did my first presentation on the Fifth Wave of Decentralization, we were mentioned in the Wired Magazine article today and on a recent TED talk as well.  Half the attendees purchased BitSharesX (if you noticed the 20% bump this morning- that was these guys). Great things in store for all of us....   B

- check faceboook for updates and photos.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: merockstar on July 31, 2014, 03:45:19 am
I wanna say +5% amazing!


but i'm tempted to go with lay off... i'm not ready yet :P
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: fuzzy on July 31, 2014, 04:48:45 am
 +5%

Good stuff Brian.  You guys are busy doing good work.  Loving it.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bodenliu on July 31, 2014, 05:00:18 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Harrington_(entrepreneur)
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: muse-umum on July 31, 2014, 05:02:34 am
aweeeeeeeeeeesome!! +5% +5% +5%
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: donkeypong on July 31, 2014, 05:06:47 am
Awesome news. Kudos to the team. Harrington has had his share of successes and certainly qualifies as a celebrated entrepreneur. If I'm not mistaken, though, nearly all of his background has involved using TV to sell physical products. And he's probably raked it in - justifiably - as a speaker. I'm just openly wondering what he sees here that fits with his background or interests.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: alt on July 31, 2014, 06:10:34 am
congratulations!
Brian!  +5% +5% +5%
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: gamey on July 31, 2014, 06:18:06 am
Awesome news. Kudos to the team. Harrington has had his share of successes and certainly qualifies as a celebrated entrepreneur. If I'm not mistaken, though, nearly all of his background has involved using TV to sell physical products. And he's probably raked it in - justifiably - as a speaker. I'm just openly wondering what he sees here that fits with his background or interests.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: xeroc on July 31, 2014, 06:36:57 am
Can we haz presentation? Much love .. very +5%
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Simeon II on July 31, 2014, 06:46:34 am
I already expressed my admiration about the OP in another thread but again.
 +5%

Awesome news. Kudos to the team. Harrington has had his share of successes and certainly qualifies as a celebrated entrepreneur. If I'm not mistaken, though, nearly all of his background has involved using TV to sell physical products. And he's probably raked it in - justifiably - as a speaker. I'm just openly wondering what he sees here that fits with his background or interests.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yes, dollar signs seems to be the answer.

Kudos for getting the concept though!

Others, even self-proclaimed businessmen-crypto pundits (read ABL), have been in touch with the idea for months, and still do not quite see those $ signs.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Ben Mason on July 31, 2014, 09:38:10 am
 +5% +5% +5% superb!
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Empirical1 on July 31, 2014, 11:28:33 am
Most excellent Brian & Dan!  :)
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: CLains on July 31, 2014, 12:30:18 pm
*bulleyes activated*

$_$
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: BldSwtTrs on July 31, 2014, 12:49:23 pm
Half the attendees purchased BitSharesX (if you noticed the 20% bump this morning- that was these guys). Great things in store for all of us....   B
24h volume is 224,000$. Looks like small players.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bitbro on July 31, 2014, 12:57:54 pm

Half the attendees purchased BitSharesX (if you noticed the 20% bump this morning- that was these guys). Great things in store for all of us....   B
24h volume is 224,000$. Looks like small players.

Getting in over time, otherwise would push the market
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Riverhead on July 31, 2014, 02:20:55 pm



Indeed.  Buying large amounts of something people are selling in small amounts takes time or you end up way over paying  :-[ .
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: liondani on July 31, 2014, 02:41:35 pm
it's the beginning...

are you ready?
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGXJKeyP95kLKor84DBPJUAz81Egaxq-NJlmoKgSYB4nx-w7XMAA)
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: AdamBLevine on July 31, 2014, 03:20:07 pm
Hey guys. We just had an incredible dinner meeting with Kevin Harrington of Shark Tank fame (as well as a dozen other equally successful business leaders and high net worth individuals from around the globe).  He's a fricking rockstar in business and very interested in what BitShares is doing.  We'll be spending all day with him tomorrow to see what may be possible.   

Dan absolutley got everyone here buzzing about BitShares, I did my first presentation on the Fifth Wave of Decentralization, we were mentioned in the Wired Magazine article today and on a recent TED talk as well.  Half the attendees purchased BitSharesX (if you noticed the 20% bump this morning- that was these guys). Great things in store for all of us....   B

- check faceboook for updates and photos.

Hey Brian,
what do you view as your role in the ecosystem?  What are your job responsibilities?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bitbro on July 31, 2014, 03:49:04 pm
Adam, Brian is extremely occupied bringing the DACs to people and people to DACs thru several mediums, please don't be surprised if it takes a while for a response to your questions
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: NewMine on July 31, 2014, 03:50:23 pm
I think he is more of a sales representative or a liaison of some sort. Instead of marketing the "brand", it seems he is schmoozing for whales. No offense, whales are needed too. It's just not the job a marketing director should be doing.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bitbro on July 31, 2014, 03:58:43 pm
"Marketing director" encompasses all marketing responsibilities, although they are often delegated to roles such as "sales reps" or "video editor" through a concept known as business management.  Brian's doing it all
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: NewMine on July 31, 2014, 04:01:12 pm
That's pretty efficient. Right?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: soniq on July 31, 2014, 04:02:09 pm
Word of mouth advertising is still the best advertising there is.  If Kevin Harrington (if it is  indeed Kevin and associates buying) is telling his network to buy BTSX.

Then not only do we have some strong hand holding BTSX, but some pretty influential hands as well.

Brian in St Martins = Mission accomplished
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on July 31, 2014, 05:01:26 pm
Good job! Brain, looking forward to more updates!
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Shentist on July 31, 2014, 06:08:32 pm
i am not conviced.

the buying pressure came from the chinese community. over 75% of the tradingvolume was in btsx/cyn. it was like the same days before, there were the selling pressure from chinese. so i hope Kevin will get involved, but i am certian he has not bought in the last 2 days a significant amount of btsx.

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I think he is more of a sales representative or a liaison of some sort. Instead of marketing the "brand", it seems he is schmoozing for whales. No offense, whales are needed too. It's just not the job a marketing director should be doing.

i got the same feeling, and i would be not so much concerned if he gets more people from the community involved. here is so much untapped potential, why not use it?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: AdamBLevine on July 31, 2014, 06:59:33 pm
Right, I guess my question is given Brian made his first presentation today on the 5th wave of decentralization, and just had a very positive first meeting - is there any progress or projects to report that aren't new today?  Any work over the past few months, or results generated?   

The original post in this thread feels like it's trying to imply causation for things it doesn't seem to be connected to like the price movement and the fact that it was mentioned in a few articles.  I've been talking to lots of people about Bitshares including journalists who then go on to talk about it because it's interesting, but I'm just some schlub - Did you actually work with those authors to get Bitshares mentioned or are you just also noting that elsewhere in the ecosystem this happened?

So schmoozing whales is fine if that is the role Brian is filling, but usually theres a LOT more to than just showing up at a meeting and pitching.  I've never really understood the role Brian fills.  I assumed he would be an advocate for the community, but that seems obviously to not have happened.  its great he's done some videos, but I still am at a loss of why Bytemaster is being put out edited for fancyness (music and titles) but unedited for content so he looks like an amateur when he stutters or repeats himself a bunch of times.    I thought maybe Brian would be the face able to be the voice of bitshares for the everyman, who could ask the obvious questions and then help them understand the logical answer.  Essentially an interpreter for Daniel who is a bit too technical, not a great speaker and too engineery for "normals".

But that didnt happen either.


So I really really really am not trying to be a dick here, I want to understand what Brian actually does because I don't see it and Director of Marketing seems like it should have obvious, public results.   Where are they?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: AdamBLevine on July 31, 2014, 07:25:09 pm
Adam, Brian is extremely occupied bringing the DACs to people and people to DACs thru several mediums, please don't be surprised if it takes a while for a response to your questions

Can you elaborate on any of this from knowledge or is this what you think/hope Brian does?  I feel like I've paid pretty close attention but I might have missed it.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Riverhead on July 31, 2014, 07:47:07 pm
So I really really really am not trying to be a dick here, I want to understand what Brian actually does because I don't see it and Director of Marketing seems like it should have obvious, public results.   Where are they?


Understood, it's easy to come off that way in text when there's no inflection. Based on what I've read in posts from Stan and Dan about their St. Martin's trip is that a primary focus is on developing a marketing blitz.  That makes sense given the venue - a person who basically made their fortune marketing the unremarkable.  Not saying this project is unremarkable but if you want good marketing advice find the guy that's selling snow machines to the Inuit :) .


Like you, I'm just another schlub following along.  Hopefully we'll get a good report upon their return and begin to see, and feel, the fruits of the blitz plan.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on July 31, 2014, 08:29:52 pm
Welcome Kevin and friends.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Empirical1 on July 31, 2014, 08:36:30 pm
Just saw some of the photos on FB! Looking forward to the updates.

The skills, capital, experience and contacts that a couple of these guys can bring to the table is pretty priceless!

Great work guys!



 
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: gamey on July 31, 2014, 08:39:36 pm
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Thanks to Empirical for pointing out these photos.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: gamey on July 31, 2014, 08:48:17 pm
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Kevin Harrington of Shark Tank fame.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bytemaster on July 31, 2014, 11:11:21 pm
This trip we secured solid marketing partnerships.  I wouldn't expect anything visible for a few months.   

These guys have proven track records and will get us where we need to go.   

Brian's talent is finding the best and I am very impressed with the work these guys have done.   


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Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: luckybit on July 31, 2014, 11:21:46 pm
This trip we secured solid marketing partnerships.  I wouldn't expect anything visible for a few months.   

These guys have proven track records and will get us where we need to go.   

Brian's talent is finding the best and I am very impressed with the work these guys have done.   


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+5%
Excellent job.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Riverhead on July 31, 2014, 11:24:00 pm
This trip we secured solid marketing partnerships.  I wouldn't expect anything visible for a few months.   

These guys have proven track records and will get us where we need to go.   

Brian's talent is finding the best and I am very impressed with the work these guys have done.   


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It's great seeing the pictures of you guys in action.  I'm very excited to see where this is all going, and where it'll be in three to five years and beyond.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: GaltReport on July 31, 2014, 11:43:39 pm
This trip we secured solid marketing partnerships.  I wouldn't expect anything visible for a few months.   

These guys have proven track records and will get us where we need to go.   

Brian's talent is finding the best and I am very impressed with the work these guys have done.   


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 +5% +5% +5%
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: liondani on August 01, 2014, 12:04:47 am
(http://quotes.lifehack.org/media/quotes/quote-Mahatma-Gandhi-action-expresses-priorities-996.png)
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: solaaire on August 01, 2014, 01:03:22 am
 +5% +5% +5%
fantastic news
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: fuzzy on August 01, 2014, 02:20:55 am
I heard a baseball bat crack...but I don't see the ball.  Did Brian hit it out of the park?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Stan on August 01, 2014, 02:30:16 am
I heard a baseball bat crack...but I don't see the ball.  Did Brian hit it out of the park?

Brian, Dan, and I each got about 2 hours to brief the mastermind group.  Counting dinners, probably a total of 8+ hours discussing BitShares and its applications to their interests.  We were very impressed with everyone we met and came away from the event invigorated and inspired.  But we are far too profoundly humble to describe how inconceivably well our interactions with them went. 

(And yes, that word does mean what I think it means.)  :)
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: fuzzy on August 01, 2014, 02:31:30 am
So I really really really am not trying to be a dick here, I want to understand what Brian actually does because I don't see it and Director of Marketing seems like it should have obvious, public results.   Where are they?

Sigh... 

I miss the old Adam.  The one who brought me to bitshares.  I wonder how he's doing.

Brian did something that deserves a high five...so I for one will be giving him one.  Sure it took some time, but he is enlisting people who compliment the project.  His actions have amplified bitshares' marketing and made it so he can focus on bringing people together.  As far as the whales, they came after the tech was built because the tech is now showing it can scale to enterprise level (something bitcoin has been banging its head against for how long?) Can't we just leave it at "good job brian" for the time being? 

Thanks for your hard work Brian...and to I3--enjoy your weekend.  You deserve it.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Simeon II on August 01, 2014, 02:40:22 am
Great post fuz!
 +5%
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: donkeypong on August 01, 2014, 03:04:38 am
So I really really really am not trying to be a dick here, I want to understand what Brian actually does because I don't see it and Director of Marketing seems like it should have obvious, public results.   Where are they?

Sigh... 

I miss the old Adam.  The one who brought me to bitshares.  I wonder how he's doing.

Brian did something that deserves a high five...so I for one will be giving him one.  Sure it took some time, but he is enlisting people who compliment the project.  His actions have amplified bitshares' marketing and made it so he can focus on bringing people together.  As far as the whales, they came after the tech was built because the tech is now showing it can scale to enterprise level (something bitcoin has been banging its head against for how long?) Can't we just leave it at "good job brian" for the time being? 

Thanks for your hard work Brian...and to I3--enjoy your weekend.  You deserve it.

Well said. Some people just don't understand marketing and the need for it. From my experience in other industries, some marketing people are invaluable. Others are simply really good at wasting money. I have not felt that way with Brian, who has been engaged with this and with us all the way. Baseball metaphor: we're in the 2nd inning of a 9 inning game. The middle of our order hasn't even come up to bat yet and he wants to pass judgment on the team's performance. Wait for the DACs and then you'll see what this investment has yielded; Brian has been building all the way. 
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: alt on August 01, 2014, 03:31:19 am
So I really really really am not trying to be a dick here, I want to understand what Brian actually does because I don't see it and Director of Marketing seems like it should have obvious, public results.   Where are they?

Sigh... 

I miss the old Adam.  The one who brought me to bitshares.  I wonder how he's doing.

Brian did something that deserves a high five...so I for one will be giving him one.  Sure it took some time, but he is enlisting people who compliment the project.  His actions have amplified bitshares' marketing and made it so he can focus on bringing people together.  As far as the whales, they came after the tech was built because the tech is now showing it can scale to enterprise level (something bitcoin has been banging its head against for how long?) Can't we just leave it at "good job brian" for the time being? 

Thanks for your hard work Brian...and to I3--enjoy your weekend.  You deserve it.
+5% +5% +5%
Thanks Brian. 
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: fuzzy on August 01, 2014, 03:39:06 am
So I really really really am not trying to be a dick here, I want to understand what Brian actually does because I don't see it and Director of Marketing seems like it should have obvious, public results.   Where are they?

Sigh... 

I miss the old Adam.  The one who brought me to bitshares.  I wonder how he's doing.

Brian did something that deserves a high five...so I for one will be giving him one.  Sure it took some time, but he is enlisting people who compliment the project.  His actions have amplified bitshares' marketing and made it so he can focus on bringing people together.  As far as the whales, they came after the tech was built because the tech is now showing it can scale to enterprise level (something bitcoin has been banging its head against for how long?) Can't we just leave it at "good job brian" for the time being? 

Thanks for your hard work Brian...and to I3--enjoy your weekend.  You deserve it.

Well said. Some people just don't understand marketing and the need for it. From my experience in other industries, some marketing people are invaluable. Others are simply really good at wasting money. I have not felt that way with Brian, who has been engaged with this and with us all the way. Baseball metaphor: we're in the 2nd inning of a 9 inning game. The middle of our order hasn't even come up to bat yet and he wants to pass judgment on the team's performance. Wait for the DACs and then you'll see what this investment has yielded; Brian has been building all the way.

I actually don't see Adam as part of the problem.  Imho he is a victim of an ecosystem that was pre-alpha and never meant to be self-sustaining out of the box.  He probably paid out of pocket for a long time before he ever saw a return for the work he was doing.  Sure he had people who loved him along the way helping him, but they were doing it out of love and respect for his intentions. 

However, when someone aspires to "cryptojournalism" in the Bitcoin environment he/she has to pay out of pocket to travel to all the big conferences and hope for donations from whales who usually want something in return.  It is hard to play in that kind of game because those whales are "voted" into power via technocratic means as opposed to shareholder opinion on the value they bring to the ecosystem.  DPOS actually makes it possible for delegates to get a solid return (when the system has grown) and also pay people/projects who are doing good works for the ecosystem itself.  Imagine how much easier it would have been if bitcoin's miners didn't have to spend so much on electricity and could reinvest it back into the ecosystem...and the people trying to promote it grassroots style. 

Thanks for appreciating the post...its not necessary though.  What I say is always from the heart and even though it is sometimes livid and openly dickish in my defenses of them, I ultimately just really care about I3 because they base everything they do off of that beautiful white paper:  "10 Laws of the Crypto Universe" https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2876.0

Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: tonyk on August 01, 2014, 04:08:05 am

I do not think Adam is the huge problem in the big picture too. I do also miss the times when his criticism carried a nonce of positivism. Unfortunately those times are gone. I hope, I am wrong, but I do not think any reversal is likely.

I also hope he is not paid to do what he is currently doing, but rather does it because he feels he is a part of a time that is quickly becoming irrelevant.  And is fighting against the progress, like a king during the French revolution. Or simply does it just because his highly insightful opinions are not followed blindly by Dan…


Great 2 post btw fuznuts +5
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: oco101 on August 01, 2014, 04:10:33 am

I do not think Adam is the huge problem in the big picture too. I do also miss the times when his criticism carried a nonce of positivism. Unfortunately those times are gone. I hope, I am wrong, but I do not think any reversal is likely.

I also hope he is not paid to do what he is currently doing, but rather does it because he feels he is a part of a time that is quickly becoming irrelevant.  And is fighting against the progress, like a king during the French revolution. Or simply does it just because his highly insightful opinions are not followed blindly by Dan…


Great 2 post btw fuznuts +5

+1
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: fuzzy on August 01, 2014, 04:26:29 am
Imagine how beautiful it is going to be when altcoins start using DPOS to bootstrap DACs that accept their own native token.  Or using LTB as a model, imagine LTBcoin running on DPOS and delegates that supply a 50%/50% spread of their tx fees to each of the shows supported on that chain:
Bitcoins & Gravy is funded because people vote for the delegate teams who find and support them.
Beyond Bitcoin is funded because people vote for the delegate teams who find and support them.
Sex & Science Hour is funded because people vote for the delegate teams who find and support them.
Ed and Ethan's is funded because people vote for the delegate teams who find and support them.
etc...
  If a show becomes corrupted (like CNN, Fox "News", and MSNBC) and spews nonsense to the point it becomes blatantly obvious, the delegates who support it lose their votes and they are defunded.  DPOS baby...f'ng DPOS.   
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Empirical1 on August 01, 2014, 12:54:55 pm
I heard a baseball bat crack...but I don't see the ball.  Did Brian hit it out of the park?

Brian, Dan, and I each got about 2 hours to brief the mastermind group.  Counting dinners, probably a total of 8+ hours discussing BitShares and its applications to their interests.  We were very impressed with everyone we met and came away from the event invigorated and inspired.  But we are far too profoundly humble to describe how inconceivably well our interactions with them went. 


This trip we secured solid marketing partnerships.  I wouldn't expect anything visible for a few months.   

These guys have proven track records and will get us where we need to go.   

Brian's talent is finding the best and I am very impressed with the work these guys have done.   


 +5% Glad it's been well presented & explained to these kind of investors and that it's now on their radar. 
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: G1ng3rBr34dM4n on August 01, 2014, 01:53:37 pm
So I really really really am not trying to be a dick here, I want to understand what Brian actually does because I don't see it and Director of Marketing seems like it should have obvious, public results.   Where are they?

Sigh... 

I miss the old Adam.  The one who brought me to bitshares.  I wonder how he's doing.

Brian did something that deserves a high five...so I for one will be giving him one.  Sure it took some time, but he is enlisting people who compliment the project.  His actions have amplified bitshares' marketing and made it so he can focus on bringing people together.  As far as the whales, they came after the tech was built because the tech is now showing it can scale to enterprise level (something bitcoin has been banging its head against for how long?) Can't we just leave it at "good job brian" for the time being? 

Thanks for your hard work Brian...and to I3--enjoy your weekend.  You deserve it.

Same thoughts for me.  If it weren't for Adam, I wouldn't be here.  In fact, the very first LTB episode I listened to, was ep. 57 (Announcement of Protoshares).

..Things have changed MASSIVELY since then; and it hasn't even been a year...

Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: AdamBLevine on August 01, 2014, 03:48:09 pm
I don't even really know what to say guys.  Invictus has done a terrible job with branding and marketing.  It is ever changing, it is poorly explained and it is exceptionally confusing even to people who are invested in Invictus much less those who have never heard of the product.  Do you disagree?

I'm a PTS, AGS and BTSX holder and I don't understand the structure.  Why is that not a problem?  How much has been paid to Brian, and what has been accomplished by it?  I literally introduced Brian and Daniel, I am not out to shoot myself in the foot - But I also feel like I've been pretty complacent for the last six months while Brian has produced really very little output that I've seen and I am asking for clarity.

It would be great if you guys would take a step back from your investment and ask critical questions.  Mostly this forum is ideation and celebration (because we're all going to be rich and/or change the world) really regardless of whether the circumstances justify it.

The only time I seem to hear from Brian are threads like this and so I am asking what he is doing when he is not posting threads like this about very recent victories.

Do YOU understand what Brian does? Please, explain it to me.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: AdamBLevine on August 01, 2014, 03:56:34 pm

I do not think Adam is the huge problem in the big picture too. I do also miss the times when his criticism carried a nonce of positivism.

Posters like yourself are the exact reason all my pep has been drained from this project.  You don't like me and you argue with me because I bring up stuff you don't want brought up, and you couch this by attacking the 'way I bring things up' instead of engaging on the actual topic.

 In other projects (Counterparty, Mastercoin, NXT, Ethereum) people want to explore the things that might not work because by addressing them you have a greater potential of fixing them before they become very big problems that impact much larger portions of the project.

Here since AGS started (and people became "ALL IN") people with divergent opinions have been shouted down by people who dont want to talk about potential negatives since they are in their eyes "FUD". 

So my negativity comes from knowing that no matter what I post, I will be attacked because I am asking a question others do not want to ask and definitely dont want to hear answered (unless its good).  Bitshares is unique in this, and it's not a happy distinction.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: oco101 on August 01, 2014, 04:03:29 pm
I don't even really know what to say guys.  Invictus has done a terrible job with branding and marketing.  It is ever changing, it is poorly explained and it is exceptionally confusing even to people who are invested in Invictus much less those who have never heard of the product.  Do you disagree?

I'm a PTS, AGS and BTSX holder and I don't understand the structure.  Why is that not a problem?  How much has been paid to Brian, and what has been accomplished by it?  I literally introduced Brian and Daniel, I am not out to shoot myself in the foot - But I also feel like I've been pretty complacent for the last six months while Brian has produced really very little output that I've seen and I am asking for clarity.

It would be great if you guys would take a step back from your investment and ask critical questions.  Mostly this forum is ideation and celebration (because we're all going to be rich and/or change the world) really regardless of whether the circumstances justify it.

The only time I seem to hear from Brian are threads like this and so I am asking what he is doing when he is not posting threads like this about very recent victories.

Do YOU understand what Brian does? Please, explain it to me.


This is constructive criticism Adam.  Big +1 for that.  I'm pretty sure with this kinds of comment nobody will "attack" you.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Empirical1 on August 01, 2014, 04:17:57 pm
Almost every person that has posted in this thread has made some of the same observations and critiques you are making about the alt-coin market, marketing strategy. There are plethora of relevant threads you can contribute to on that subject.

This thread is clearly about the St Martin trip which was extremely positive for BitShares. Brian was integral to making it happen, & by all accounts it was handled brilliantly by him. Everybody is just recognising the fantastic work he and the others have put in here.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: merockstar on August 01, 2014, 04:31:44 pm

It would be great if you guys would take a step back from your investment and ask critical questions.  Mostly this forum is ideation and celebration (because we're all going to be rich and/or change the world) really regardless of whether the circumstances justify it.

This is a very, very good point. If this project makes anybody rich, it won't be for quite some time.

Yes, the technology and ideas are awesome. Yes, they have the potential to change the world as we know it.

But whether that goal actually gets achieved is something that still remains to be seen.

All this circle jerking is fun, but I really do worry that it creates unrealistic expectations in a lot of people's minds, and when those expectations don't get met there is going to be anger directed towards the community and project as a whole.

The result?

/r/buttshares

I think Adam's working to mitigate those unrealistic expectations, and I respect that.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: tonyk on August 01, 2014, 04:45:01 pm

It would be great if you guys would take a step back from your investment and ask critical questions.  Mostly this forum is ideation and celebration (because we're all going to be rich and/or change the world) really regardless of whether the circumstances justify it.

This is a very, very good point. If this project makes anybody rich, it won't be for quite some time.

Yes, the technology and ideas are awesome. Yes, they have the potential to change the world as we know it.

But whether that goal actually gets achieved is something that still remains to be seen.

All this circle jerking is fun, but I really do worry that it creates unrealistic expectations in a lot of people's minds, and when those expectations don't get met there is going to be anger directed towards the community and project as a whole.

The result?

/r/buttshares

I think Adam's working to mitigate those unrealistic expectations, and I respect that.

I wish I hade as optimistic view on human nature as you.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: merockstar on August 01, 2014, 04:48:23 pm
I wish I hade as optimistic view on human nature as you.

Clearly, if he's working to undermine the whole project, that's not going to happen.

there's too many of us willing to work and carry on, so why not see his feedback/criticism/efforts to undermine for the good it has to offer?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: tonyk on August 01, 2014, 05:11:22 pm
so why not see his feedback/criticism/efforts ... for the good it has to offer?

Ooo believe me I do see it for that.
I have a whole thread dedicated (well partly) to his priceless contributions to humanity.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6476.0
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: solaaire on August 01, 2014, 05:17:14 pm
i hear you Adam. I've been a bit puzzled as to what Brian has been doing behind the scenes as well

it seems like he goes to meetings, produces educational videos, and helps get webpages online

unfortunately he has been ineffective at generating buzz on the internet so far. he has also not been very effective at brand management either; the ecosystem is about as complex and confusing as ever and the release of Invictus first real product is more akin to an open beta than an actual launch. our most popular and effective way of promoting the BitShares ecosystem, this forum, is neglected in terms of marketing. updates are scattered, stickied content is out of date, and new users are still forced to participate in a multi-day scavenger hunt  in order to figure out WTF is going on. this is not good marketing, nor a well crafted message, and I doubt Brian would disagree

but to be fair, BitShares' incredible complexity is not Brian's fault by any stretch of the imagination. one of the biggest challenges facing BitShares, and ALL crypto for that matter, is communicating its value to the everyman. it is clear that invictus does not have the manpower or the knowhow to do this, YET...  But really, no cryptocurrency does, not even bitcoin.

in light of this latest news, i think its pretty obvious what brian has been doing behind the scenes; catering to bigger fish. and to be real its probably the right move. a partnership like this gives invictus an opportunity to focus on its core business, developing software, while letting other people with proven marketing expertise step in and make the products and brands friendly and accessible. i am willing to bet brian will also leverage this opportunity to learn and build marketing capabilities internally as well, he'd be crazy not to.

i am beginning to see brian as more of a biz dev guy than a true blue marketer, and frankly i think those skills are much more important at this stage in the game

i do wish Brian would engage with users on this forum a bit more, and i wish he would put a bit more effort into making relevant information easy to find on here... but my complaints aside, this is still an early stage startup and there are only so many hats a guy can wear at once
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: luckybit on August 01, 2014, 05:47:32 pm
So I really really really am not trying to be a dick here, I want to understand what Brian actually does because I don't see it and Director of Marketing seems like it should have obvious, public results.   Where are they?

Sigh... 

I miss the old Adam.  The one who brought me to bitshares.  I wonder how he's doing.

Brian did something that deserves a high five...so I for one will be giving him one.  Sure it took some time, but he is enlisting people who compliment the project.  His actions have amplified bitshares' marketing and made it so he can focus on bringing people together.  As far as the whales, they came after the tech was built because the tech is now showing it can scale to enterprise level (something bitcoin has been banging its head against for how long?) Can't we just leave it at "good job brian" for the time being? 

Thanks for your hard work Brian...and to I3--enjoy your weekend.  You deserve it.

Well said. Some people just don't understand marketing and the need for it. From my experience in other industries, some marketing people are invaluable. Others are simply really good at wasting money. I have not felt that way with Brian, who has been engaged with this and with us all the way. Baseball metaphor: we're in the 2nd inning of a 9 inning game. The middle of our order hasn't even come up to bat yet and he wants to pass judgment on the team's performance. Wait for the DACs and then you'll see what this investment has yielded; Brian has been building all the way.

We need to get some celebrities to use and endorse Bitshares. Nothing makes a product popular faster than celebrity endorsements. It seems a lot of the bad press on Bitcoin and similar technologies is based around who is using it.
 
http://www.coindesk.com/hip-hop-icon-nas-coinbase-age-of-bitcoin/
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: luckybit on August 01, 2014, 05:58:47 pm
I don't even really know what to say guys.  Invictus has done a terrible job with branding and marketing.  It is ever changing, it is poorly explained and it is exceptionally confusing even to people who are invested in Invictus much less those who have never heard of the product.  Do you disagree?

I'm a PTS, AGS and BTSX holder and I don't understand the structure.  Why is that not a problem?  How much has been paid to Brian, and what has been accomplished by it?  I literally introduced Brian and Daniel, I am not out to shoot myself in the foot - But I also feel like I've been pretty complacent for the last six months while Brian has produced really very little output that I've seen and I am asking for clarity.

It would be great if you guys would take a step back from your investment and ask critical questions.  Mostly this forum is ideation and celebration (because we're all going to be rich and/or change the world) really regardless of whether the circumstances justify it.

The only time I seem to hear from Brian are threads like this and so I am asking what he is doing when he is not posting threads like this about very recent victories.

Do YOU understand what Brian does? Please, explain it to me.

I think that marketing requires measurable success. What should we use to measure the success of the marketing campaign? Market cap?

So Brian is responsible for raising the market cap. Perhaps his strategy will pay off if he can bring in enough whales but right now the meeting in St. Martin just happened. I'll at least wait a while to see if it's having a measurable effect on the price.

On the grass roots marketing there isn't enough coordination. I think we can do a lot better.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: soniq on August 01, 2014, 06:09:48 pm
Quote
We need to get some celebrities to use and endorse Bitshares. Nothing makes a product popular faster than celebrity endorsements. It seems a lot of the bad press on Bitcoin and similar technologies is based around who is using it.
 
http://www.coindesk.com/hip-hop-icon-nas-coinbase-age-of-bitcoin/

Celebrities are paid all the time to endorse products, same can be done for BTS.  Maybe Brian has thought about this possibilty already?

Quote
i am beginning to see brian as more of a biz dev guy than a true blue marketer, and frankly i think those skills are much more important at this stage in the game

i do wish Brian would engage with users on this forum a bit more, and i wish he would put a bit more effort into making relevant information easy to find on here... but my complaints aside, this is still an early stage startup and there are only so many hats a guy can wear at once

  +5%  +5%  +5% 
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bytemaster on August 01, 2014, 06:13:13 pm
This meeting was not about bringing in whales, it was about bringing in partners to help reach our target audience.   Sure these guys have money, but what we value more than their money is their ability to drive SEO and sales over the internet in a manner that was able to earn them more than the market cap of BTSX.   These guys are now in our camp, own BTS X and PTS, and are actively developing a plan to apply their internet marketing skills toward driving the price through greater awareness.

So what has Brian done?  He has helps us build friendships with the people that have skills we need.  This is far better than having him attempt to do these things himself.

Why does it take so long?  Because it is like finding developers and finding other talent, it just takes months to do.  Now that BTS X is out the marketers have a much easier job and something tangible to sell.  Watch out.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bitcoinba on August 01, 2014, 07:08:58 pm
This meeting was not about bringing in whales, it was about bringing in partners to help reach our target audience.   Sure these guys have money, but what we value more than their money is their ability to drive SEO and sales over the internet in a manner that was able to earn them more than the market cap of BTSX.   These guys are now in our camp, own BTS X and PTS, and are actively developing a plan to apply their internet marketing skills toward driving the price through greater awareness.

So what has Brian done?  He has helps us build friendships with the people that have skills we need.  This is far better than having him attempt to do these things himself.

Why does it take so long?  Because it is like finding developers and finding other talent, it just takes months to do.  Now that BTS X is out the marketers have a much easier job and something tangible to sell.  Watch out.

I have a suggestion.
Dan, perhaps you should think of restructuring the hierarchy of roles and responsibilities then. It sounds like Brian is providing more of a business development or human resources role and not a Director of Marketing role. It seems obvious at this point that the person in charge of directing the marketing of something as complex bitshares needs to have a strong authority and strategy over all communication channels and community building, and intimate understanding and devotion to digital marketing (ie: a Bytemaster or Toast dedicated to marketing).

 Perhaps it is simply a matter of a wrong title and the unfair expectations that are attached to it.


Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: luckybit on August 01, 2014, 07:30:09 pm
Quote
We need to get some celebrities to use and endorse Bitshares. Nothing makes a product popular faster than celebrity endorsements. It seems a lot of the bad press on Bitcoin and similar technologies is based around who is using it.
 
http://www.coindesk.com/hip-hop-icon-nas-coinbase-age-of-bitcoin/

Celebrities are paid all the time to endorse products, same can be done for BTS.  Maybe Brian has thought about this possibilty already?

Quote
i am beginning to see brian as more of a biz dev guy than a true blue marketer, and frankly i think those skills are much more important at this stage in the game

i do wish Brian would engage with users on this forum a bit more, and i wish he would put a bit more effort into making relevant information easy to find on here... but my complaints aside, this is still an early stage startup and there are only so many hats a guy can wear at once

  +5%  +5%  +5% 

It's not enough to pay them to endorse the product but they actually have to use it and be seen using it. Like Twitter or Beats Audio.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: changematey on August 01, 2014, 07:38:58 pm
I started out reading this thread with a fist pump about what Brian has achieved. It slowly turned into a disappointment, then a "not this again" -- there have been many lynch threads; allegedly one even by a 3I employee asking about Brian's contributions. Then came another mob after Adam.

Now most probably I am gonna be flamed for this but in all this one of the major points got dropped. Here's the statement: "if you noticed the 20% bump this morning- that was these guys".

Now here's what a post (I guess not part of everyone "agrees Brian is doing a great job") said:

i am not conviced.

the buying pressure came from the chinese community. over 75% of the tradingvolume was in btsx/cyn. it was like the same days before, there were the selling pressure from chinese. so i hope Kevin will get involved, but i am certian he has not bought in the last 2 days a significant amount of btsx.



Now I don't have any proof/data to back what the guy said but I have no reason to doubt him. While everyone was busy bashing Adam they forgot to answer this:

The original post in this thread feels like it's trying to imply causation for things it doesn't seem to be connected to like the price movement and the fact that it was mentioned in a few articles.  I've been talking to lots of people about Bitshares including journalists who then go on to talk about it because it's interesting, but I'm just some schlub - Did you actually work with those authors to get Bitshares mentioned or are you just also noting that elsewhere in the ecosystem this happened?

I am no expert in marketing or sales but the "implying causation" like what Brian did in his first post is certainly not correct. But thats just me.
Title: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bitbro on August 01, 2014, 07:40:37 pm
Did I3 sell shares to Kevin and others privately?

It looks like China did most of the buying during the spike.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bytemaster on August 01, 2014, 08:19:25 pm
Did I3 sell shares to Kevin and others privately?

It looks like China did most of the buying during the spike.

I don't think Kevin has bought anything at this time.   I am fairly certain that only a few small transactions were made this week by this team.  So Brian was wrong about them moving the market.   

I will ask the team to stop making statements about things they cannot know, especially when it comes to markets.   

I am also fairly certain that if someone like Kevin wanted to get in he would go through a broker and not deal with BTER or BTC38 directly. 
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: GaltReport on August 02, 2014, 12:33:43 pm
This meeting was not about bringing in whales, it was about bringing in partners to help reach our target audience.   Sure these guys have money, but what we value more than their money is their ability to drive SEO and sales over the internet in a manner that was able to earn them more than the market cap of BTSX.   These guys are now in our camp, own BTS X and PTS, and are actively developing a plan to apply their internet marketing skills toward driving the price through greater awareness.

So what has Brian done?  He has helps us build friendships with the people that have skills we need.  This is far better than having him attempt to do these things himself.

Why does it take so long?  Because it is like finding developers and finding other talent, it just takes months to do.  Now that BTS X is out the marketers have a much easier job and something tangible to sell.  Watch out.

I have a suggestion.
Dan, perhaps you should think of restructuring the hierarchy of roles and responsibilities then. It sounds like Brian is providing more of a business development or human resources role and not a Director of Marketing role. It seems obvious at this point that the person in charge of directing the marketing of something as complex bitshares needs to have a strong authority and strategy over all communication channels and community building, and intimate understanding and devotion to digital marketing (ie: a Bytemaster or Toast dedicated to marketing).

 Perhaps it is simply a matter of a wrong title and the unfair expectations that are attached to it.
+5%
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: jamesc on August 02, 2014, 01:52:24 pm
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10358741_525558550924245_4327695246360750603_n.jpg)

Kevin Harrington of Shark Tank fame.


I have to admit, as a geek, I really got into an infomercial.  After all, played well, they can be educational and really don't have to have distractions like commercial driven TV.  It was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Amen behind the infomercial.  I still use his views on ADHD and now have something I can really impress upon people that I talk to.

I can see a Bitshares coin on infomercial.  There is a lot to learn on this topic.  There is a coin design that hides it private key until you tell it to reveal it.  Once revealed it is always revealed.  One can buy a physical coin with good confidence that I can not be spent until activated (like a scratch off).  I could use one of those for my collection...

Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: jae208 on August 02, 2014, 11:10:02 pm
 +5%

When you set emotion aside and think about the issues, many of the topics brought up by Adam are legitimate.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Murderistic on August 03, 2014, 03:24:29 am
Interesting thread.  I was the person that brought Kevin to the event, and I did so for several reasons.  I won't bore you with all of them, but here are a few relevant to this discussion:

Kevin Harrington has sold over $4,000,000,000+ in products.

Kevin has been in talks with me & my partners  to do an infomercial deal regarding cryptocurrency, which is highly significant.

Kevin has been educated about Bitcoin by myself and my partners for the last 8 months, and is getting comfortable with putting money into bringing it more mainstream.

Kevin has some massive connections in many industries that could yield some major backing for palatable mainstream adoption of services built on Bitshares DAC - such as Bitshares Music...Imagine all of the recording industry contacts that could be brought to the table from that alone.  There are many implications from this alone.

The Saint Martin mastermind was intended to yield very specific results, all of which were met from all parties that attended.  It was meant to bring some people that are powerful marketers, together with those that understand Bitcoin and Blockchain - to educate them and get them on board with the overall message.  The idea is that once we have people like that on in our corner, to advocate and educate...then the efforts of this amazing team of individuals will be amplified 1000x over.

We hit that out of the park.  Brian has been 100% integral to making that happen, and is working actively with several of us to get this project to another level. 

Very big win guys.  Congrats.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: donkeypong on August 03, 2014, 04:50:28 am
Interesting thread.  I was the person that brought Kevin to the event, and I did so for several reasons.  I won't bore you with all of them, but here are a few relevant to this discussion:

Kevin Harrington has sold over $4,000,000,000+ in products.

Kevin has been in talks with me & my partners  to do an infomercial deal regarding cryptocurrency, which is highly significant.

Kevin has been educated about Bitcoin by myself and my partners for the last 8 months, and is getting comfortable with putting money into bringing it more mainstream.

Kevin has some massive connections in many industries that could yield some major backing for palatable mainstream adoption of services built on Bitshares DAC - such as Bitshares Music...Imagine all of the recording industry contacts that cold be brought to the table from that alone.  There are many implications from this alone.

The Saint Martin mastermind was intended to yield very specific results, all of which were met from all parties that attended.  It was meant to bring some people that are powerful marketers, together with those that understand Bitcoin and Blockchain - to educate them and get them on board with the overall message.  The idea is that once we have people like that on in our corner, to advocate and educate...then the efforts of this amazing team of individuals will be amplified 1000x over.

We hit that out of the park.  Brian has been 100% integral to making that happen, and is working actively with several of us to get this project to another level. 

Very big win guys.  Congrats.

Welcome to the forum and thank you for your efforts. It's an exciting time to be involved in Bitshares!
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: cass on August 03, 2014, 08:10:49 am
Interesting thread.  I was the person that brought Kevin to the event, and I did so for several reasons.  I won't bore you with all of them, but here are a few relevant to this discussion:

Kevin Harrington has sold over $4,000,000,000+ in products.

Kevin has been in talks with me & my partners  to do an infomercial deal regarding cryptocurrency, which is highly significant.

Kevin has been educated about Bitcoin by myself and my partners for the last 8 months, and is getting comfortable with putting money into bringing it more mainstream.

Kevin has some massive connections in many industries that could yield some major backing for palatable mainstream adoption of services built on Bitshares DAC - such as Bitshares Music...Imagine all of the recording industry contacts that cold be brought to the table from that alone.  There are many implications from this alone.

The Saint Martin mastermind was intended to yield very specific results, all of which were met from all parties that attended.  It was meant to bring some people that are powerful marketers, together with those that understand Bitcoin and Blockchain - to educate them and get them on board with the overall message.  The idea is that once we have people like that on in our corner, to advocate and educate...then the efforts of this amazing team of individuals will be amplified 1000x over.

We hit that out of the park.  Brian has been 100% integral to making that happen, and is working actively with several of us to get this project to another level. 

Very big win guys.  Congrats.

Welcome to the forum and thank you for your efforts. It's an exciting time to be involved in Bitshares!

Welcome Murderistic!  +5% +5%
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: xeroc on August 03, 2014, 08:22:32 am
Welcome and thx for your efforts +5%
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: solaaire on August 04, 2014, 07:21:00 pm
welcome aboard murderistic and thank you (& bytemaster) for the insight. much appreciated!
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: NewMine on August 04, 2014, 10:19:00 pm
Interesting thread.  I was the person that brought Kevin to the event, and I did so for several reasons.  I won't bore you with all of them, but here are a few relevant to this discussion:

Kevin Harrington has sold over $4,000,000,000+ in products.

Kevin has been in talks with me & my partners  to do an infomercial deal regarding cryptocurrency, which is highly significant.

Kevin has been educated about Bitcoin by myself and my partners for the last 8 months, and is getting comfortable with putting money into bringing it more mainstream.

Kevin has some massive connections in many industries that could yield some major backing for palatable mainstream adoption of services built on Bitshares DAC - such as Bitshares Music...Imagine all of the recording industry contacts that could be brought to the table from that alone.  There are many implications from this alone.

The Saint Martin mastermind was intended to yield very specific results, all of which were met from all parties that attended.  It was meant to bring some people that are powerful marketers, together with those that understand Bitcoin and Blockchain - to educate them and get them on board with the overall message.  The idea is that once we have people like that on in our corner, to advocate and educate...then the efforts of this amazing team of individuals will be amplified 1000x over.

We hit that out of the park.  Brian has been 100% integral to making that happen, and is working actively with several of us to get this project to another level. 

Very big win guys.  Congrats.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

A crypto currency infomercial? I hope you are joking. That is the last thing this industry needs. No matter how legit the infomercial is, you will be setting the industry back.  The industry has a hard enough time separating itself from the "drug money" labels it unjustifiably gets because of the Silk Road takedown. The infomercial has a history of selling garbage in pump in dump formats.  There are stock trading and gold buying infomercials that are known to be infomercial scams and this is going to lump crypto into those categories.

And the main demographic of infomercials is? Not 25-44 as they would tell you. Most of those people are of the TiVo/DVR commercial free tv or have cut the cable cord and switched to Netflix and etc. The infomercials main demographic is the "baby boomer", who could care less about a financial revolution because they are set in their ways. Ever try and get your average 60+year old computer illiterate to connect to the internet without much resistance and hesitation? I Didn't think so.

I don't get this approach. What are you trying to sell? The only thing there is to sell is BTSX through a third party exchange. What does I3 or Bitshares have to do with that unless it's another third party trying to pump and dump shares THEY bought and sell through THEIR own non-exchange exchange? For example, trying to sell 10k BTSX for $100 and all they have to do is send them the $100 and a BTSX address.

If I3 is looking to advertise, how about Omnicom, WPP, or Interpublic? Why are we seeking 2nd rate advertising? No offense, as I am sure you guys are great people and good at what you do, but Bitshares shouldn't be lined up after Shamwow chamois, Jack Lalanes Juicer, Ron Co.'s Food dehydrators, or known Stock trading scams! Having Joe Schmo the sleazy car salesman with a 70's porn stache telling people to go download BTSX and then buy some will backfire big time.

Buy ads that will spread the name, not sell a product. No one who is going to embrace bitshares is a person willing to sit through a half hour spiel about cryptocurrency on a Sunday morning. If they are sitting through it, they are already involved before hand and didn't need to be sold on the idea.

This is not a knock on OP, but rather the approach that is being made.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Riverhead on August 04, 2014, 10:24:36 pm
Haha, slow your roll there NewMine. He made his money in infomercials and a number of other marketing techniques. That doesn't mean he's going to push a crypto infomercial. I'm sure he has a million great ideas and the connections to see them through.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: NewMine on August 04, 2014, 10:34:10 pm
Haha, slow your roll there NewMine. He made his money in infomercials and a number of other marketing techniques. That doesn't mean he's going to push a crypto info infomercial. I'm sure he has million great ideas and the connections to see them through.

I was going off this quote:

Quote
Kevin has been in talks with me & my partners  to do an infomercial deal regarding cryptocurrency, which is highly significant.

I just don't think it's a great idea. No matter what the pitch. Even if it's just an informative interview like infomercial without the selling of anything, it's a bad use of advertising funds for Bitshares. A full page newspaper ad would be better than that and reach the same target demographic. Web ads on Stock websites and things like Pandora, iTunes Radio, big City or trendy city outdoor ads. Anywhere a young mid 20's to late 30's professional would see.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bytemaster on August 04, 2014, 11:04:03 pm
We are not paying for an infomercial... someone else is taking that risk/reward on their own.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: GaltReport on August 04, 2014, 11:26:23 pm
Hold on just one cotton-pickin minute!  I Had two of those Jack LaLane Juicers.  Like'd them both!! Just saying.... ;D
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: donkeypong on August 04, 2014, 11:58:01 pm
3 a.m. grannies are definitely a sector of the market that is untapped and worth reaching.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: NewMine on August 05, 2014, 12:04:37 am
We are not paying for an infomercial... someone else is taking that risk/reward on their own.
Thanks for clarifying!

I would still hate to see that happen. I suppose if you aren't paying for it, then you can't control it.
Title: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bitbro on August 05, 2014, 12:11:55 am
We are not paying for an infomercial... someone else is taking that risk/reward on their own.
Thanks for clarifying!

I would still hate to see that happen. I suppose if you aren't paying for it, then you can't control it.

I have to disagree w you, infomercials can cause massive marketing buzz and break tremendous ground.  It's proven that many people are deeply affected by well produced infomercials.  And although you may not respond to them well, there are many people out there that would. Leave it to the guys that have made tier millions off of them and please don't complain.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: donkeypong on August 05, 2014, 12:51:39 am
I'm envisioning some Casascius-minted physical BitShares here. Something tangible people can understand and order from the privacy of their own homes.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on August 05, 2014, 12:55:16 am
Whatever it will be, it will be so aweome :D
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: NewMine on August 05, 2014, 03:15:43 am
I'm envisioning some Casascius-minted physical BitShares here. Something tangible people can understand and order from the privacy of their own homes.

And if you order now we will throw in a free Star Registry.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: donkeypong on August 05, 2014, 06:34:05 pm
I'm envisioning some Casascius-minted physical BitShares here. Something tangible people can understand and order from the privacy of their own homes.

And if you order now we will throw in a free Star Registry.

BitStars could be an offshoot, in fact. BitShares Stars. Star Registry, DAC. Slogan: "If you bit upon a star, it makes no difference who you are!" Next up, a piece of the moon. Oh, whoops, somebody sold that real estate already? Can I interest you in a waterfront parcel on Europa?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: NewMine on August 06, 2014, 12:36:23 am
I'm envisioning some Casascius-minted physical BitShares here. Something tangible people can understand and order from the privacy of their own homes.

And if you order now we will throw in a free Star Registry.

BitStars could be an offshoot, in fact. BitShares Stars. Star Registry, DAC. Slogan: "If you bit upon a star, it makes no difference who you are!" Next up, a piece of the moon. Oh, whoops, somebody sold that real estate already? Can I interest you in a waterfront parcel on Europa?

Lol.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bodenliu on August 06, 2014, 01:30:41 am
still need more platforms (broker?) to buy BTS...I don't think Kevin would trust a chinese transact
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: luckybit on August 06, 2014, 02:29:48 am
still need more platforms (broker?) to buy BTS...I don't think Kevin would trust a chinese transact

The kind of money these people have you can't rely on insecure or experimental institutions.

Bitshares needs to set up hedge funds or contact the hedge funds already set up to convince them to buy "Bitcoin 2.0" technologies. This is going to be difficult because investors only care about charts and ROI.

If we can show 500% ROI then hedge funds will be coming to us asking us how to integrate with Bitshares. Maybe one of us could even start a hedge fund if we were rich and smart enough to do so. How about we take the first step and at least create a step by step set of plans for setting this up so that whoever has the means and opportunity can follow the guide?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bitmeat on August 06, 2014, 02:54:03 am
You can start an incubator hedge fund with $10K. The problem is that the variance with Cryptos is so high, that even if you built a track record, this is still extremely high risk.

http://www.greencompany.com/HedgeFunds/HedgeFundIncubatorFunds.shtml
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: BldSwtTrs on August 07, 2014, 05:25:44 pm
Kevin Harrington talking about Bitcoin but not about Bitshares:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNY&list=PL1zCD-urlm3iuJlUhq7Nwl5KuVXVShHKO
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: luckybit on August 07, 2014, 05:58:25 pm
You can start an incubator hedge fund with $10K. The problem is that the variance with Cryptos is so high, that even if you built a track record, this is still extremely high risk.

http://www.greencompany.com/HedgeFunds/HedgeFundIncubatorFunds.shtml

Then it should be done. It's high risk but also high reward.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Riverhead on August 07, 2014, 06:11:37 pm
Kevin Harrington talking about Bitcoin but not about Bitshares:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNY&list=PL1zCD-urlm3iuJlUhq7Nwl5KuVXVShHKO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNY&list=PL1zCD-urlm3iuJlUhq7Nwl5KuVXVShHKO)


Stan is featured at the 6:00 minute mark until the end but you are correct; he doesn't specifically mention Bitshares in fact he goes out of his way not to.  I suspect it was part of conditions of the taped feedback.  The feedback was about the conference, "Bitcoin Mastermind", an event put together by the Success Council.

More on this video here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6750.msg89574#msg89574

All in all some great exposure.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: GaltReport on August 07, 2014, 10:35:22 pm
I've been trying to figure out what I think of all this. At first look, I'm thinking that this is kinda cheesy and not the kind of marketing that I was expecting...thinking more about mainstream financial services companies (business to business) etc...

Now, I'm starting to rethink about the direct to consumer market and wondering if aspects (certain use cases) might very well be successfully marketed in that manner direct to the consumer.  It could be crafted that way and it could be the fastest route to greater mainstream adoption.  Of course the path is full of potential pitfalls including wildly exaggerated claims to putting a bigger regulatory spotlight on all of it....but it also could also serve as the push the industry needs to get to the next level.

One thing for sure, these type of people are experts at identifying market niches, targeting them with precision and carefully measuring results. 

It could be awesome or horrifying!!

Is this product for the financial professional/elite or is this a product for the average working citizen?  Or both?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Riverhead on August 07, 2014, 10:37:03 pm
You should check out this thread.  Stan responds.  Seems it was a pretty good trip.


https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6750.msg89574#msg89574
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: MktDirector on August 21, 2014, 12:42:02 am
Let me set the record, Kevin is working on his own product, a Bitcoin related product that will be marketed on TV.  He's very interested in what we're doing, do doubt, and we may work with him in the future, but all that's happening with him is in the Bitcoin space. 

We didn't go to St Martin to meet him, he just happened to be there, along with some equally impressive marketers. So no need to get scared and think you're suddenly gonna be woken from your stupor on the couch at 2am and hear some guy yelling: "It's like a shammie, it's like a towel, it's a BitShare!"

for a good laugh....
https://www.shamwow.com/?refcode=1002&ot=tm
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bitbro on August 21, 2014, 12:50:36 am

Let me set the record, Kevin is working on his own product, a Bitcoin related product that will be marketed on TV.  He's very interested in what we're doing, do doubt, and we may work with him in the future, but all that's happening with him is in the Bitcoin space. 

We didn't go to St Martin to meet him, he just happened to be there, along with some equally impressive marketers. So no need to get scared and think you're suddenly gonna be woken from your stupor on the couch at 2am and hear some guy yelling: "It's like a shammie, it's like a towel, it's a BitShare!"

for a good laugh....
https://www.shamwow.com/?refcode=1002&ot=tm

I'm disappointed there's nothing in the pipeline.  Thought an infomercial was a good idea.  Also this thread existed way too long for us to desire this update now, wish it came earlier.  Hopefully this does not impact trading, although it very well may


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Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Murderistic on August 21, 2014, 12:56:32 am
I'm envisioning some Casascius-minted physical BitShares here. Something tangible people can understand and order from the privacy of their own homes.

You sir, are on the right track.  The info deal is not for Bitshares directly, as I was working on the deal before I became involved in Bitshares.  That said, we can take the buyer data and target them for Bitshares.

Part of the problem with the industry is that it seems everyone wants it to remain exclusive to the "industry", which will not get the mass adoption you are looking for.  In marketing, sometimes the ends justify the means.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Murderistic on August 21, 2014, 12:59:53 am
We are not paying for an infomercial... someone else is taking that risk/reward on their own.
Thanks for clarifying!

I would still hate to see that happen. I suppose if you aren't paying for it, then you can't control it.

I have to disagree w you, infomercials can cause massive marketing buzz and break tremendous ground.  It's proven that many people are deeply affected by well produced infomercials.  And although you may not respond to them well, there are many people out there that would. Leave it to the guys that have made tier millions off of them and please don't complain.

Agreed on all fronts.  I understand your position, but market exposure is a must.  Do not pigeonhole the demographics of people that see/buy from infomercials...anything can be sold with the right marketing and funnels.  We just had to find the angle that made it mass appealing - and I think we found it.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: donkeypong on August 21, 2014, 01:34:36 am
We just had to find the angle that made it mass appealing - and I think we found it.

Besides the angles you've found, I'd like to point out another. (I keep thinking of more uses for BitShares X every time I think about it). The Latin American market and ethnic marketing in North America. Some of the highest inflation rates in the world are in some fairly populous countries in that region. Think of Argentina's debt default; last time I looked, their inflation rate was 25% while Venezuela's was north of 50%--they're losing that much by not being able to hold BitUSD. In addition, remittances from relatives (who are mainly in the U.S.) account for 2-3% of Mexico's GDP, 16% of El Salvador's, and elsewhere in Central America the number is in that range. But the fees they have to pay to transfer money are nearly at usurious, 'payday loan' levels.

I realize that some of these folks are unbanked, undereducated, and only trust cash. And maybe a simple phone app is needed. But an awful lot of Hispanic-Americans work white collar jobs and there certainly are huge classes of professional people in all of those countries. I think a concerted marketing effort to target that sector and spread the good news there could tap into an ENORMOUS potential demand for BitUSD.

Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Gentso1 on August 21, 2014, 02:10:26 am
Let me set the record, Kevin is working on his own product, a Bitcoin related product that will be marketed on TV.  He's very interested in what we're doing, do doubt, and we may work with him in the future, but all that's happening with him is in the Bitcoin space. 

We didn't go to St Martin to meet him, he just happened to be there, along with some equally impressive marketers. So no need to get scared and think you're suddenly gonna be woken from your stupor on the couch at 2am and hear some guy yelling: "It's like a shammie, it's like a towel, it's a BitShare!"

for a good laugh....
https://www.shamwow.com/?refcode=1002&ot=tm

Why did we spend the money to go then?
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: santaclause102 on August 21, 2014, 02:14:57 am
for a good laugh....
https://www.shamwow.com/?refcode=1002&ot=tm
I'd buy one right away!
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: yellowecho on August 21, 2014, 03:19:42 am
Why did we spend the money to go then?

Networking.  Get to know the right people.  And just because Mr. Harrington didn't invest doesn't mean some of his buddies aren't  ;)
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: toast on August 21, 2014, 03:36:31 am
Let me set the record, Kevin is working on his own product, a Bitcoin related product that will be marketed on TV.  He's very interested in what we're doing, do doubt, and we may work with him in the future, but all that's happening with him is in the Bitcoin space. 

We didn't go to St Martin to meet him, he just happened to be there, along with some equally impressive marketers. So no need to get scared and think you're suddenly gonna be woken from your stupor on the couch at 2am and hear some guy yelling: "It's like a shammie, it's like a towel, it's a BitShare!"

for a good laugh....
https://www.shamwow.com/?refcode=1002&ot=tm

Why did we spend the money to go then?

The trip was paid for by them IIRC, in the meantime Brian made some wealthy friends who have been buying
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: MktDirector on August 21, 2014, 04:32:13 am
We went to St Martin to meet the very markeing guys that I'm now working with to promote BTSX. The plan is being executed but will take a few weeks.  And yes, they and their deep pocket friends are buying significant amounts and positioning themselves (aren't we all?) for the run that's to come. 

I'm not gonna keep trying to explain how the fact we went was the best money we've spent yet (other than to pay devs in VA).  Just sit back and try to relax. It's gonna be a fun ride.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: fuzzy on August 21, 2014, 06:05:54 am
We went to St Martin to meet the very markeing guys that I'm now working with to promote BTSX. The plan is being executed but will take a few weeks.  And yes, they and their deep pocket friends are buying significant amounts and positioning themselves (aren't we all?) for the run that's to come. 

I'm not gonna keep trying to explain how the fact we went was the best money we've spent yet (other than to pay devs in VA).  Just sit back and try to relax. It's gonna be a fun ride.

Brian.  Good job man.  Time will tell, but if anyone goes to bter.com they can see bitsharesx is not going down in value...
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: xeroc on August 21, 2014, 09:36:58 am
And yes, they and their deep pocket friends are buying significant amounts and positioning themselves (aren't we all?) for the run that's to come. 
:o 8)
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: cass on August 21, 2014, 09:52:15 am
We went to St Martin to meet the very markeing guys that I'm now working with to promote BTSX. The plan is being executed but will take a few weeks.  And yes, they and their deep pocket friends are buying significant amounts and positioning themselves (aren't we all?) for the run that's to come. 

I'm not gonna keep trying to explain how the fact we went was the best money we've spent yet (other than to pay devs in VA).  Just sit back and try to relax. It's gonna be a fun ride.

Brian.  Good job man.  Time will tell, but if anyone goes to bter.com they can see bitsharesx is not going down in value...

 +5% +5%
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: Riverhead on August 21, 2014, 10:15:45 am
I'm not gonna keep trying to explain how the fact we went was the best money we've spent yet (other than to pay devs in VA).  Just sit back and try to relax. It's gonna be a fun ride.


Wait, what?? We paid the devs? I thought a dev was just a person that turns caffeine into code for the love of the technology?  8)
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: xeroc on August 21, 2014, 10:44:20 am
Wait, what?? We paid the devs? I thought a dev was just a person that turns caffeine into code for the love of the technology?  8)
Yhea, me too  :o .. I pretty disappointed now 8)    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: bitbro on August 21, 2014, 03:39:43 pm

We went to St Martin to meet the very markeing guys that I'm now working with to promote BTSX. The plan is being executed but will take a few weeks.  And yes, they and their deep pocket friends are buying significant amounts and positioning themselves (aren't we all?) for the run that's to come. 

Does this mean you did not have a marketing plan before going on this trip and meeting these guys?

The way you make assumptions in order to try to poke holes and make arguments to try to point out ineffectiveness is as absurd as ever. It's flagrantly idiotic.  Of course there was a marketing plan A as well as hundreds of contingency plans and complimentary plans.  Why don't you actually contribute for once


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Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: donkeypong on August 21, 2014, 03:40:16 pm
Of course they had a marketing plan before. These contacts just put it on steroids. No one would have questioned this event if it had been in Baltimore or St. Louis. Let's put the jealousy to rest. Just keep an eye on the BTSX price. That should tell you (1) whether their marketing plan is working, and (2) whether you've earned enough of a return to visit St. Whatever island on your own.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: AdamBLevine on August 21, 2014, 03:50:57 pm
lol. Why on earth would I be jealous? I've been a Bitshares supporter since before Invictus was formed as a company.

Can you describe the marketing plan so far?  I've been looking for months.  This seems to be the first effective move, or did I miss something?

I really wish when I ask a simple question it could just be answered by the person I'm asking instead of the forum defense force jumping in to tell me how I'm not supposed to ask questions I want to know the answer to.

Anyhow, I deleted the comment because I don't have time to argue with the FDF - See ya'll in September.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: donkeypong on August 21, 2014, 03:51:43 pm
I meant jealous of the trip location, that's all.
Title: Re: Kevin Harrington and St. Martin
Post by: AdamBLevine on August 21, 2014, 03:52:36 pm
I meant jealous of the trip location, that's all.

lol, no.  I hate traveling and routinely turn down invitations because it takes so much time that I can more valuably use other ways.