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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on January 31, 2015, 06:43:56 am
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Good Day All!
I am in the Beyond Bitcoin mumble sessions and often times I find myself pretty much every week having some kind of update to share about the bunker.
For those who don't know about it, we are located in a 64,000 sq/ft cold war nuclear bunker located in Canada that was designed for government continuity in the event of chemical, biological, or nuclear fallout. 350 people could survive there and enable the Canadian government to continue. We are the only remaining bunker of the 6 that were built across the country, and it is privately owned now by us.
A few weeks ago, we had the Premier of Nova Scotia Stephen McNeil come to the bunker along with our MLA and District Counselor. I gave them a tour and discussed some of our future plans. They enjoyed it a great deal and love all we are doing with it.
For all our US neighbours, the Premier would be the equivalent to your US State Senator showing up at your door. Pretty awesome!
Just the other day a news story got printed in the paper about the whole thing, you can see it here:
http://www.trurodaily.com/Colchester-Weekly/2015-01-28/article-4023511/Debert-Notebook%3A-Revisiting-history%2C-sharing-plans-for-Deberts-Diefenbunker/1
If you like to see more pictures of the tour you can see it posted on our facebook page (Don't forget to LIKE! ;D): https://www.facebook.com/Debert.Diefenbunker/posts/271101973060534
As we move forward with more of our data center operations, I am considering creating a delegate that would benefit from being located at the bunker. Of all the delegates, we would be impervious to man made or natural disasters. ;) I have some other ideas too coming together from discussions with others, but will share those another time.
Anyways.. thought I would start this to keep everyone posted on our progress. We are also mining from the bunker pointing a great deal of our resources here: http://pool.minebitshares.com/ << highly recommend all you miners out there to join in if you want to realize better profits on your mining.
Feel free to ask any questions you like about the place. I have worked on it for a few years now and still continue to discover new things about it. You can see pretty much our entire journey on our facebook page. I am really looking forward to combing the work we do at the bunker with bitshares and work with the community to help support great projects.
Have a great day!
Jonathan
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+5% And thanks for mining at minebitshares
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Cool! I have some questions:
How long before the data center is set up?
How many racks are you planning?
How much potential space for expansion?
Is it powered by the grid? What are your redundant power supply options?
How are you going to keep everything cool? How good is the existing ventilation? Will you need to install a new system?
Fire suppression system?
What will physical security be like in terms of physical access?
Do you live down there?
How zombie proof is it?
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How are your generators from the 60's going to be cheaper to run than nspi? I can't imagine the uarb ever allowing it, nspi must have their guaranteed return on investment! Monopolies don't like competition and they have no incentive to allow you to compete if you aren't helping them with their green quotas.
I mapped out all the hydro power potential in cb with the intent of using the power to run a data centre and using the heat to keep a greenhouse warm. But we live in too much of a backwater. Too much red tape.
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Cool! I have some questions:
How long before the data center is set up?
We are operational now actually with Tier 2 uptime. As we gain access to more capital for improvements we will update and upgrade to Tier 3 and maybe 4 if we start to attract the financial industry.
How many racks are you planning?
100 ultra high density racks. Each would have a capacity of 100kw of power and cooling.
How much potential space for expansion?
We could potentially expand the data center into other parts of the bunker. We had started preparing a separate space for miners where radio tech used to be located. However the way I am looking at the industry, it seems more likely it will be all delegates. ;)
Is it powered by the grid? What are your redundant power supply options?
Grid power right now yes. Tier 2 uptime includes a 500kw 10 minute uptime UPS + backup generator. There are three other backup generators onsite we are currently in the process of getting updated. As we grow this will change.
How are you going to keep everything cool? How good is the existing ventilation? Will you need to install a new system?
Water... we have access to a virtually unlimited giant aquafer in our location that was part of the original design to supply all cooling and domestic water for the bunker. At present we have access to 120GPM.
Ventilation was designed for chemical, nuclear, or biological fallout. It works pretty good. If your question is in regards to the data node operations specifically, there are plans for minor adjustments to the ventilation, but we largely will continue to use the existing system. Heat from the servers will be recovered to assist in heating the rest of the building.
Fire suppression system?
None - Fire prevention though - YES. This is part of the node update plans. The design of the shielded node making it an ideal solution for reduced oxygen atmosphere. This is a new technology only recently developed that will prevent fires from happening thanks to lack of oxygen in the node. Instead if there is such a condition it will smolder and aspirators will detect and alert for action.
What will physical security be like in terms of physical access?
Entry requires access through a man-trap. Data and offices associated with data will only have authorized personnel. The facility is already outfitted with giant steel fire doors in each zone. We will be replacing the counter weight systems with modern magnetic locking solutions that will use biometric/pin/verified live security to green, yellow, and red zones. All personnel will be held to the strictest standards of security compliance. Our primary space will be off-limits. No immediate plans for colo with access to the facility. Managed colo is a possibility, though we don't have immediate plans to support that primarily do to the inefficiency and lowered security it introduces.
Do you live down there?
No, but I do live on the base in the home the Captain used to live in. 2 minutes away.
How zombie proof is it?
Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear shelter -- As Zombie proof as it gets. :)
Great questions edilliam!
If you have any more feel free!
Jonathan
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+5% And thanks for mining at minebitshares
Happy too! The payout is awesome.. and I don't have to deal with trading!
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None - Fire prevention though - YES. This is part of the node update plans. The design of the shielded node making it an ideal solution for reduced oxygen atmosphere. This is a new technology only recently developed that will prevent fires from happening thanks to lack of oxygen in the node. Instead if there is such a condition it will smolder and aspirators will detect and alert for action.
:o Wow!
I've heard of this. Just enough oxygen to breathe, but not enough to sustain a fire. The British Library just installed this in their new National Newspaper Building. Check out an insane video of how cool it is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30929009 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30929009)
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How are your generators from the 60's going to be cheaper to run than nspi? I can't imagine the uarb ever allowing it, nspi must have their guaranteed return on investment! Monopolies don't like competition and they have no incentive to allow you to compete if you aren't helping them with their green quotas.
I mapped out all the hydro power potential in cb with the intent of using the power to run a data centre and using the heat to keep a greenhouse warm. But we live in too much of a backwater. Too much red tape.
The phrase 'they don't build them like they used to' really applies in this case when it comes to our generators. These are baseload generators. They were designed to just keep running, As a matter of fact one of our supporting mechanical engineers has a handful he has worked on that have seen 300,000+ hours of run-time. Ours only have about a 1000 hrs of runtime on them.. they like babies! Because of their design, it gives us the capability to utilize waste cooking oil. Most modern generators today are made from cheaper materials and aluminum and just melt trying to run on that kind of fuel. We have 4 different engineers involved at the moment in regards to just the generators and the CHP process alone. There is also an oversupply of waste oil in our region and we have secured supply for the bunker.
As for competition to NSBI, if you have checked their website and looked into the feed-in programs, there are a number of options, and the people who run the programs are quite nice and very helpful. You are right, they must have their guaranteed return (though the new gov is taking steps to fix that), and our operations isn't going to impact that in the least. Actually the COMFIT program that was introduced just 4 years ago was so successful that they have met and exceeded their goals that were set for this year to have 25% of power provided by renewable energy.
Funny you mention greenhouse.. I was having a conversation with an agricultural engineer this afternoon about how the excess heat we produce would be ideal for greenhouse operation potentially right on top of the bunker that would exceed any other operations efficiency. It's always interesting to me how people of almost all background are inspired by the bunker to come up with these unique ideas of how it can better serve the world. Ironic that it was original designed for the end of the world huh? :)
I hear you on the frustration of NSPI though. If you don't have some kind of political backing it can be exceedingly difficult sometimes depending on what department you are dealing with. If we are not selling to the grid, we could also simply use it for ourselves. Either way we are making the world a better place putting our old technology to modern day use.
My wife and I and our 3 year old son are planning to make our way to Cape Breton this summer. Just way too many beautiful pictures coming up on my facebook feed to ignore any longer. Maybe we can meet up for coffee or something and ask them if they accept bitCAD. ;D If there is any particular place that is a 'must see' let me know! :)
Jonathan
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None - Fire prevention though - YES. This is part of the node update plans. The design of the shielded node making it an ideal solution for reduced oxygen atmosphere. This is a new technology only recently developed that will prevent fires from happening thanks to lack of oxygen in the node. Instead if there is such a condition it will smolder and aspirators will detect and alert for action.
:o Wow!
I've heard of this. Just enough oxygen to breathe, but not enough to sustain a fire. The British Library just installed this in their new National Newspaper Building. Check out an insane video of how cool it is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30929009 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30929009)
Yes! That's the exact same system. That place is freaking amazing though! The engineering that went into that place in the video is awesome! We actually have found historical documents around the bunker too dating back to the 1950s and 60s. We put on display for tours an old 1962 paper we found in the ceiling while we were doing work on the lighting. It's so interesting to see the kind of stories they focused on back then. They even had a 'buy local' ad taking up almost an entire page!
Our system would maintain an atmosphere of 15% oxygen. So techs with no breathing problems can spend about 4 hours in there until they are going to start to feel light headed. That is more than enough time since most of any work should be done in pre-production. The original suppression system the military ran with was Halon. This is of course a banned substance now.
I spent a lot of time researching different fire suppression systems. I was almost completely sold on Novac 1230 until I read one story of a data center that had that system and a fire happened and it set it off. Afterwards all of their hard drives were trashed! From what I gathered, hard drives as you know operate in a positive pressure to keep them clean. The sudden discharge of the Novac 1230 cause an atmospheric change that was so dramatic it ruptured the drives pressure and caused them to become contaminated. Telling this story to other data center buddies they suddenly realized that could actually happen. Fire out, but bye bye data.. no thanks. I rather not have a fire in the first place. It will be another great feature for the bunker... as if you need more. :)
Sadly most other solutions are not environmentally friendly, or are CRAZY expensive. We likely will just have our regular building sprinkler system there just to make the fire marshal happy... but of coarse it will never be used.
The only other bunker that got into private hands was back in 2000. The owner talked about using it for movies, but ended up seeking to sell it to, of all folks, the Hells Angels biker gang. When DND got word of this, they ended up buying it back from the guy and then spent nearly $1 million having it demolished to the ground. Contractor that got hired to do the demolition noted it was the most difficult job he had to ever deal with because there was so much thick reinforced rebar everywhere. Back then people thought the bunker would be an excellent space for growing marijuana. Pretty sure that's what the Hells Angels thought too. ;D Back then it was illegal, today you can be a licensed grower in Canada.
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+5% And thanks for mining at minebitshares
BM said in mumble that minebitshares will have 5% additional profit to miners and will pay in bitUSD, when this be available?
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Hey if you are burning waste oil then you might want to look into onc in mulgrave. My info is a few years old but I know they used to supply metro transit with fish oil, but it didn't work out in the winter. As far as I know st.fx still powers their boiler with it. I know lots of people heat their house with it (0.25/liter for employees).
I know it used to be a big burden for them to get rid of the stuff. They are under new management now so maybe that is old news.
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As for a visit to cb, it is hard to beat a trip around the Cabot Trail. I would recommend waiting for October though for the colours.
I was just thinking... 2 Nova Scotians into bts. That is 1/450,000. If worldwide adoption was 1/450,000 there would be 15,500 bts users, which is way more than the 6000ish there is now. We are way above average!
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+5% And thanks for mining at minebitshares
BM said in mumble that minebitshares will have 5% additional profit to miners and will pay in bitUSD, when this be available?
Soon as they switch to bitUSD BM said he would activate the +5% then.
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Hey if you are burning waste oil then you might want to look into onc in mulgrave. My info is a few years old but I know they used to supply metro transit with fish oil, but it didn't work out in the winter. As far as I know st.fx still powers their boiler with it. I know lots of people heat their house with it (0.25/liter for employees).
I know it used to be a big burden for them to get rid of the stuff. They are under new management now so maybe that is old news.
Yeah all of our supply is coming from all over the Atlantic region. We aren't getting into the waste oil racket though. We are just working with the ones who have already dominated it. ;D
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As for a visit to cb, it is hard to beat a trip around the Cabot Trail. I would recommend waiting for October though for the colours.
I was just thinking... 2 Nova Scotians into bts. That is 1/450,000. If worldwide adoption was 1/450,000 there would be 15,500 bts users, which is way more than the 6000ish there is now. We are way above average!
Guess we are not so backwoods afterall huh! :D
After our media campaign working with bitshares though, that average is going to change dramatically.
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BunkerShares on Beyond BitCoin
Today in Beyond BitCoin in the after-hangout we presented an idea to get feedback from BitShares members on.
We presented the idea as it developed over the past week and sought out feedback from the community to see what people thought.
Want everyone know I listened intently to all your responses. Thank you all so much! +5%
I was also happy to discover Brent.Allsop (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4124) Canonizer as a potential social consensus platform to utilize for the BunkerShares idea.
In the near future you are likely to hear more from us on this.
In the mean time if anybody would like to become involved with this, you are welcome to contact me to discuss.
Have a great day!
Jonathan
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I thought it was a fascinating presentation on mumble and a really exciting project. I'll be watching this.
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I thought it was a fascinating presentation on mumble and a really exciting project. I'll be watching this.
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Yeah really interesting stuff DataSecurityNode, thanks for taking the time to give us an overview on mumble.
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I thought it was a fascinating presentation on mumble and a really exciting project. I'll be watching this.
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Yeah really interesting stuff DataSecurityNode, thanks for taking the time to give us an overview on mumble.
Thank YOU! Was looking for ideas and feedback and I got exactly what I was looking for.
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We are recording video clips at the bunker today for a video production.
What kind of things would you like for us to include in the video?
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We are recording video clips at the bunker today for a video production.
What kind of things would you like for us to +5% include in the video?
Focus on what makes it a fortress. That can be used to project settee and also to tie into the "from war to peace" theme.
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The entrance and the trees around it. The sky. The kitchen and the electricity generators. Maybe the house you live in, the boss house. Maybe a map and then zoom in, like they do it in tv. Am looking forward to see it!
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The entrance and the trees around it. The sky. The kitchen and the electricity generators. Maybe the house you live in, the boss house. Maybe a map and then zoom in, like they do it in tv. Am looking forward to see it!
We don't really have trees around it... its mostly cleared right next to the airport. Yes, we have a private airport right next to the bunker we can use for both shipping and receiving complete with full customs clearance service. We still have Hercules carriers land there from time to time.
We did to the kitchen and the generators! The house I live in? I am guessing maybe you mean the room, but I don't have one. Humm.. we could do something with google maps maybe to zoom into our location. Neat idea... but from the maps we just look like a big patch of grass. :)
We spent so many hours doing takes today, I just hope we got good clips we can use.
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We are recording video clips at the bunker today for a video production.
What kind of things would you like for us to +5% include in the video?
Focus on what makes it a fortress. That can be used to project settee and also to tie into the "from war to peace" theme.
Well.. I did mention the fact that you could plop an entire cargo container ship on top of the bunker and it would handle it just fine. Any other building or data center it would crush like a tin can. :)
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The entrance and the trees around it. The sky. The kitchen and the electricity generators. Maybe the house you live in, the boss house. Maybe a map and then zoom in, like they do it in tv. Am looking forward to see it!
Heck yeh.
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Since this is where bunker news is happening.. had to mention the new thread started!
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15816.0.html <<< Find out about BunkerShares!