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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: Empirical1.2 on February 16, 2015, 02:50:30 pm
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We have a group of extremely talented & loyal developers already working on BitShares. We need those guys to continue doing their amazing work. They're not politicians and getting 4/5 multiple delegate seats is hard and would not be popular right now.
How do we provide our current core developers with a competitive salary & some future certainty going forward?
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The way we are doing it now... with equity that they earn through their delegate positions. If they do a good job and grow the ecosystem they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger. I would like to know if all the dev's are working full time or if this is a part time gig for them... judging by the github milestones, hardly any progress has been made in the last week.
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The way we are doing it now... with equity that they earn through their delegate positions. If they do a good job and grow the ecosystem they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger. I would like to know if all the dev's are working full time or if this is a part time gig for them... judging by the github milestones, hardly any progress has been made in the last week.
Agreed, I've been watching those milestones like a hawk and it seems lately only more issues get added instead of closed, and 0.9.0 has already been pushed back like a month and a half into early March...which probably means May.
Not looking good. We need a high market cap to secure top talent, but we need top talent to produce something tangible to get the high market cap. Where the hell's the light wallet anyway?
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i'm working full time for BitShares.. but due the current price situation i'm considerung ( cause 2nd delegate isn't a option) do switch more into my own projects!
Thank you for creating this post, guess this one of the most important questions right now!
The way we are doing it now... with equity that they earn through their delegate positions. If they do a good job and grow the ecosystem they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger. I would like to know if all the dev's are working full time or if this is a part time gig for them... judging by the github milestones, hardly any progress has been made in the last week.
yes sure ... but for now i've lost mit then 50% of my salaires due to price fall ...
And i want to avoid this in future!
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they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger.
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Very much so. Provided they can survive with their pittance salary until it happens. They are developers, not business investors nor sales/marketing folks.
i'm working full time for BitShares.. but due the current price situation i'm considerung ( cause 2nd delegate isn't a option) do switch more into my own projects!
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A direct consequence that is very much anticipated. You have to do what you have to do.
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they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger.
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Provided they can survive with their pittance salary until it happens. They are developers, not business investors nor sales/marketing folks.
IMO that's the problem in many cases!
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How do we provide our current core developers with a competitive salary & some future certainty going forward?
Dramatically increase the market cap.
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How do we provide our current core developers with a competitive salary & some future certainty going forward?
Dramatically increase the market cap.
Maybe encourage escrow trading somehow for delegates.
Every escrow deal made, would help slow down selling pressure a bit.
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How do we provide our current core developers with a competitive salary & some future certainty going forward?
Dramatically increase the market cap.
Maybe encourage escrow trading somehow for delegates.
Every escrow deal made, would help slow down selling pressure a bit.
ok so you mean delegates should maintain escrow and getting fee from each !?
I'm personally thinking i'll get legal problems in europe with … but have to check it with my lawyer…
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I am working to keep the team together, motivated, and compensated without additional delegate positions. The developers fully realize that multiple paid positions would be counter-productive at increasing their take-home pay.
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I am working to keep the team together, motivated, and compensated without additional delegate positions. The developers fully realize that multiple paid positions would be counter-productive at increasing their take-home pay.
+5%
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+5% ..
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Real and successful companies don't issue stock at first, they try to take on debt instead. Issuing stock while the market cap is this low is damaging to Bitshares. One way to do debt financing is through a similar setup to what we're proposing with our wallet (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=14274.0).
I hope the community starts to understand the need for debt financing before the market cap drops even more. That would be a terrible pitty.
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Real and successful companies don't issue stock at first, they try to take on debt instead. Issuing stock while the market cap is this low is damaging to Bitshares. One way to do debt financing is through a similar setup to what we're proposing with our wallet (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=14274.0).
I hope the community starts to understand the need for debt financing before the market cap drops even more. That would be a terrible pitty.
This post is so LOL on so many levels.
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Real and successful companies don't issue stock at first, they try to take on debt instead. Issuing stock while the market cap is this low is damaging to Bitshares. One way to do debt financing is through a similar setup to what we're proposing with our wallet (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=14274.0).
I hope the community starts to understand the need for debt financing before the market cap drops even more. That would be a terrible pitty.
This post is so LOL on so many levels.
Not really.
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The way we are doing it now... with equity that they earn through their delegate positions. If they do a good job and grow the ecosystem they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger. I would like to know if all the dev's are working full time or if this is a part time gig for them... judging by the github milestones, hardly any progress has been made in the last week.
Agreed, I've been watching those milestones like a hawk and it seems lately only more issues get added instead of closed, and 0.9.0 has already been pushed back like a month and a half into early March...which probably means May.
Not looking good. We need a high market cap to secure top talent, but we need top talent to produce something tangible to get the high market cap. Where the hell's the light wallet anyway?
In a meantime we have a great developer PC that could start working right away but his delegate is not voted in yet ... far from it. We desperately need more developers but when come to voting well ...... So let vote this guys in ASAP dev-pc.bitcube !!!
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I am working to keep the team together, motivated, and compensated without additional delegate positions. The developers fully realize that multiple paid positions would be counter-productive at increasing their take-home pay.
You guys are getting close. Maybe not as close as we'd all like to be right now, but the job needs to be done right. Hang in there a bit longer and keep up the good work!
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Yes, this is by far THE most important problem facing crypto currencies.
Let us say someone like Apple, wanted to move into this market in a big way. Imagine them having huge high paid (with real money, not pipe dreams) teams, not only codding, but doing all of the other things required to change the way the world does things. They could easily clone all of our open source, create 101 delegates of their own – all controlled by the hierarchical beurocracy, that is Apple.
What we are really trying to do, is answer: how do you make it so a grass roots, non-beurocratic leaderless community can compete with a well-organized hierarchical bureaucracy? Until a crypto currency community can learn how to merge together, and co-operate, on large scales (i.e. millions of people) we will never compete with hierarchies that can do that.
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Yes, this is by far THE most important problem facing crypto currencies.
Let us say someone like Apple, wanted to move into this market in a big way. Imagine them having huge high paid (with real money, not pipe dreams) teams, not only codding, but doing all of the other things required to change the way the world does things. They could easily clone all of our open source, create 101 delegates of their own – all controlled by the hierarchical beurocracy, that is Apple.
What we are really trying to do, is answer: how do you make it so a grass roots, non-beurocratic leaderless community can compete with a well-organized hierarchical bureaucracy? Until a crypto currency community can learn how to merge together, and co-operate, on large scales (i.e. millions of people) we will never compete with hierarchies that can do that.
IMO you nailed it!
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
Missed you comments.. ! :-*
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
I stop reading your nonsense at statements like the above bolded. I'm fairly certain there are stakeholders far larger than members of the devteam.
Your basic argument is always that the developers should give away their time for free and they are greedy for not doing it.
I'm sure you have interesting things to say, but it is so smothered in your manipulative bullshit I can't even breath.
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
Missed you comments.. ! :-*
:'( As you go broke.
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
I've asked you before. Why ARE you still posting here? With your stated beliefs, do you value your time at zero? Obviously you have unrevealed (possibly even to yourself) motives. As they say: "Get a life".
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
I stop reading your nonsense at statements like the above bolded. I'm fairly certain there are stakeholders far larger than members of the devteam.
Your basic argument is always that the developers should give away their time for free and they are greedy for not doing it.
I'm sure you have interesting things to say, but it is so smothered in your manipulative bullshit I can't even breath.
Let's be honest, you definitely read my entire comment.
What exactly am I manipulating? Should I call an ambulance for you?
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I for one find Newmine's frankness refreshing.
I disagree with him that delegate pay is dragging the project down. The price is going down simply because we havent given people an obvious reason why they should care about our product yet.
If I go to bitshares.org, it still does not show any charts of a BitUSD:BitBTC / whatever market with any depth. If people see something claiming to be a decentralized exchange, its just a bold claim - they want to see proof that people are actually exchanging stuff with it.
Why cant bitshares.org look like this: https://yunbi.com/markets/btccny
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I think the concept of fixed pay delegates is wrong. Inflation should go to a bounty pool, and stakeholders should vote on how to allocate bounties to projects. Everyone in the community could come up with ideas and list them in the projects list for bounty allocation. Once a bounty is allocated, developers (marketers, etc.) could make proposals on how they are going to get the job done, with a list of deliverables with dates, and some rundown of why they are the right person to implement that. Once they are voted, the developer starts implementing the project, and gets paid the bounty upon completion.
This can be implemented within the current fix-pay delegates paradigm by creating bounty pool delegates whose role it to:
- send their delegate BTS pay to a common multisig bounty address
- convert BTS to bitUSD once a bounty has been voted (this prevents the USD bounty value from shrinking after the development have started) and send it back to the multisig bounty address
- pay developers
- verify and sign other similar transactions from other bounty pool delegates.
That approach has the advantage of making Bitshares developers more goal-oriented and get a more linear relationship between cost and result.
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If I go to bitshares.org, it still does not show any charts of a BitUSD:BitBTC / whatever market with any depth. If people see something claiming to be a decentralized exchange, its just a bold claim - they want to see proof that people are actually exchanging stuff with it.
Why cant bitshares.org look like this: https://yunbi.com/markets/btccny
i'm working on it!
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Real and successful companies don't issue stock at first, they try to take on debt instead. Issuing stock while the market cap is this low is damaging to Bitshares. One way to do debt financing is through a similar setup to what we're proposing with our wallet (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=14274.0).
I hope the community starts to understand the need for debt financing before the market cap drops even more. That would be a terrible pitty.
This post is so LOL on so many levels.
Not really.
You don't think that in the West startups have people commonly paid in stock in addition to a lower than normal salary? How does a decentralized blockchain take on 'debt financing' from an external party? Do you not think that VC's are given stock in a company for their investments?
What appears to be suggested is that somehow if only the community could understand, we could get an unsecured loan to solve all our problems !
I think that is LOL, but maybe I'm missing something because the community doesn't understand the problems as well as bitsapphire does. :(
It hasn't even been demonstrated that the issuing of new BTS by Delegate pay is causing a significant downward pressure... for starters.
There are tons of issues, but if someone thinks that BTS can solve its price problems by having another crowdfunding ... to me it seems laughable. I suppose we could redirect bitasset yield into paying back people who loan us money? Would that be the plan if the community understood?
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I for one find Newmine's frankness refreshing.
Agreed.
I disagree with him that delegate pay is dragging the project down. The price is going down simply because we havent given people an obvious reason why they should care about our product yet.
If I go to bitshares.org, it still does not show any charts of a BitUSD:BitBTC / whatever market with any depth. If people see something claiming to be a decentralized exchange, its just a bold claim - they want to see proof that people are actually exchanging stuff with it.
Why cant bitshares.org look like this: https://yunbi.com/markets/btccny
Also agreed. +5%
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
I stop reading your nonsense at statements like the above bolded. I'm fairly certain there are stakeholders far larger than members of the devteam.
Your basic argument is always that the developers should give away their time for free and they are greedy for not doing it.
I'm sure you have interesting things to say, but it is so smothered in your manipulative bullshit I can't even breath.
Let's be honest, you definitely read my entire comment.
What exactly am I manipulating? Should I call an ambulance for you?
Yes, I lied. I did read the whole thing. Lol. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten that manipulative vibe.
You reach into the bag for every failed idea/old problem to make everyone involved look bad. You chastise the developers for not working for free. (LMAO) You have to do this, because how else can you make the project look bad ?
Some points are relevant, some aren't. Yet at the very end you try and act like you're a supporter, and poor you. It is just that same ol bullshit that grizzled old souls can see through. :)
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
Sorry to say but I think a lot of people feel this way. He speaks for more than a few I suspect. Most won't dare post it though.
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If I go to bitshares.org, it still does not show any charts of a BitUSD:BitBTC / whatever market with any depth. If people see something claiming to be a decentralized exchange, its just a bold claim - they want to see proof that people are actually exchanging stuff with it.
Why cant bitshares.org look like this: https://yunbi.com/markets/btccny
i'm working on it!
Youre awesome Cass!
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
Sorry to say but I think a lot of people feel this way. He speaks for more than a few I suspect. Most won't dare post it though.
You think that if 95% of the devs were to quit right now we'd see version 1.0 quicker? Since there aren't even 20 devs, tell me who the magic wonderboy is that could finish it all up.
There are tons of critiques/criticisms. Some are useful, some are hogwash.
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I for one find Newmine's frankness refreshing.
I disagree with him that delegate pay is dragging the project down. The price is going down simply because we havent given people an obvious reason why they should care about our product yet.
If I go to bitshares.org, it still does not show any charts of a BitUSD:BitBTC / whatever market with any depth. If people see something claiming to be a decentralized exchange, its just a bold claim - they want to see proof that people are actually exchanging stuff with it.
Why cant bitshares.org look like this: https://yunbi.com/markets/btccny
Unremitting negativity is a far cry from "frankness" in my opinion, and is counterproductive to adding value to bitshares. I have seen plenty of instances of Newmine badmouthing bitshares on other forums and here, but have never seen him lift a finger to contribute anything at all to our project. Have you ever seen him volunteer to do anything to help? I have met his personality type in other projects I have worked on in my life, and consider them to be akin to a cancer.
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they will be payed higher than almost every other developer once the market cap gets bigger.
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Provided they can survive with their pittance salary until it happens. They are developers, not business investors nor sales/marketing folks.
IMO that's the problem in many cases!
More than one delegate is the best way. If that doesn't happen I'll gladly talk with the beyond bitcoin crew and marketing team about advertising the devs own projects from the beyond bitcoin site. I think we should all in these tough times be doing everything we can to supper each others projects. Oh and cass. ..I will l be sending you some funds for helping w the beyond bitcoin logo.
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Oh and cass. ..I will l be sending you some funds for helping w the beyond bitcoin logo
Fuzzy nope pls don't do it! We talked about! I want to support all your great work you've done so far! Pls see this as supporting your work!
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Devs are entitled to be paid. But any gain from having multiple delegate positions would simply be canceled out by falling price at the moment. We need to address the demand side.
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+ 5 for bitAsset bounty's
Sent from my ALCATEL ONE TOUCH 997D
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BitAssets work great. By itself, this is a news powerful enough to shatter the financial world. And yet we continue sinking along with the Bitcoin vessel.
We are supposed to provide one of the most efficient trading exchange (aren't we ?). How do we get the traders to trade on our decentralized exchange ? The exchange UI is full of little annoying things, like clicking on a price and getting another price slightly higher, asking for 1000 and getting 999.999, micro orders whose fee is higher than the amount bought, etc... Shouldn't we ask a panel of traders to test our exchange, and then tell us what they expect and what they need to use it ?
We have a working technology enabling decentralized trading. Would a very usable, sleek UI do the job ?
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Traders don't use the exchange because there is no leverage or margin to use... The lack of liquidity is also way too low for any real trader to use this. Spreads are too big and the charts are much too basic to be of any use.
Look at MT4 as a base example of what a trader requires graphically... It's the most popular trading platform.
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Traders don't use the exchange because there is no leverage or margin to use... The lack of liquidity is also way too low for any real trader to use this. Spreads are too big and the charts are much too basic to be of any use.
Look at MT4 as a base example of what a trader requires graphically... It's the most popular trading platform.
Once a lightweight client is created that supports the markets and is open sourced then we might have a chance at integrating into something like MT4.
Traders would in theory be attracted because of the lack of jurisdiction and governmental interference.
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How about they "work" on making what they already have more valuable rather than trying to suck more out of a failing system. If they have to get real jobs and work on Bitshares in their spare time, so be it. Nobody has more to gain than the Dev team. The incentive is their, they just want to eat their cake too. The productivity of the group, as it seems now, is lacking. The supposed 1.0 launch seems to be drifting further away the more developers are added to the project. I have a feeling if 95% of the Dev team quit today! we would see 1.0 sooner than if they all stayed on board. Meanwhile price is on a downward spiral to its all time lows at the début of BTSX when market functionality was yet to be working or proved. Good job team! Maybe you could add 70 more developers so this project can nose dive into the graveyard and everyone here can just get on with their lives next week. Or maybe you could go back to St Marten and find that "Great White Buffalo", or the find the killer DAC that VOTE was supposed to be, or muster up that fellow from down under who was going to bring the Philippine remittance market, or the promised USD to BTS gateways that were coming months ago, or the infomercial (which sounds refreshing in this bleak project at this time), or you could just make up some other bullshit promise. Jesus Christ, after writing that, I can't believe I and anyone else is still involved with this. Those promises are no different than the paycoin promises.
I stop reading your nonsense at statements like the above bolded. I'm fairly certain there are stakeholders far larger than members of the devteam.
Your basic argument is always that the developers should give away their time for free and they are greedy for not doing it.
I'm sure you have interesting things to say, but it is so smothered in your manipulative bullshit I can't even breath.
Let's be honest, you definitely read my entire comment.
What exactly am I manipulating? Should I call an ambulance for you?
Yes, I lied. I did read the whole thing. Lol. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten that manipulative vibe.
You reach into the bag for every failed idea/old problem to make everyone involved look bad. You chastise the developers for not working for free. (LMAO) You have to do this, because how else can you make the project look bad ?
Some points are relevant, some aren't. Yet at the very end you try and act like you're a supporter, and poor you. It is just that same ol bullshit that grizzled old souls can see through. :)
+5% I specially like last sentence :)