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Title: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: zerosum on December 03, 2014, 09:41:17 pm
So this is the secret VOTE trick! I guess its a decent idea, and I imagine it could give results. However I would be much happier if it was Adam coming here and filing questions on this and explaining the strategy. It's frustrating that him and Brian are the ones being complained about and asked for transparency, yet the responsibility of defending them falls on you and other developers who have much more important stuff to do.

Is it too much to ask any/both of them (Brian and Adam) to try to provide updates for us on some regular bases?
We actually do not need the detail and their secret sauces. ..Just an acknowledgment that we do exist and own part of this project; as well as confirmation for us that they are still around and doing stuff for BTS.
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: inarizushi on December 03, 2014, 11:07:00 pm
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Post by: islandking on December 03, 2014, 11:07:56 pm
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Post by: hpenvy on December 03, 2014, 11:53:06 pm
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Post by: metalallen on December 04, 2014, 12:40:29 am
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Post by: consultant on December 04, 2014, 01:43:47 am
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Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: hpenvy on December 04, 2014, 01:46:08 am
Speaking of updates, the community marketing team posts a full update every Tuesday

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11667.0

Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: Gentso1 on December 04, 2014, 02:09:47 am
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Post by: nomoreheroes7 on December 04, 2014, 03:26:11 am
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Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: CryptoPrometheus on December 04, 2014, 05:37:19 am
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I don't recall reading one single post from Adam since the "merger" happened. I would have expected at the very least a "hey guys, happy to be on board, yada, yada" Maybe I missed that post? Anyways, I hope its not too presumptuous to expect his communication to be more often than *never*. Still, giving him the benefit of the doubt maybe he is busy finalizing his goals/strategy for the CAVO presentation, and will be more forthcoming afterwards....?
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: santaclause102 on December 04, 2014, 08:51:15 am
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Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: zerosum on December 12, 2014, 01:17:20 am
weekly bump!
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: toast on December 12, 2014, 01:18:10 am
You should expect an update from Adam on monday.
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: zerosum on December 12, 2014, 01:19:17 am
You should expect an update from Adam on monday.

And from Brian P? Like never?
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: toast on December 12, 2014, 01:23:10 am
You should expect an update from Adam on monday.

And from Brian P? Like never?

Probably never! But bitmarket and murderistic from his marketeer crew hang out here occasionally
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: onceuponatime on December 12, 2014, 01:29:46 am
You should expect an update from Adam on monday.

And from Brian P? Like never?

Probably never! But bitmarket and murderistic from his marketeer crew hang out here occasionally

The arrogance is costing me money (for Pepto Bismol)
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: hpenvy on December 12, 2014, 04:16:12 am
You should expect an update from Adam on monday.

And from Brian P? Like never?

Probably never! But bitmarket and murderistic from his marketeer crew hang out here occasionally

The arrogance is costing me money (for Pepto Bismol)

Updates would be great, project plan would be even better. I just want to see a project plan outlining 1 month, 3 months, 6 months with milestones, projected costs and resource allocation. I understand the need for privacy with business development, the same shouldn't hold true for marketing efforts. At a 40 million dollar valuation, we should have a monster plan outlined and coordinated between different resources.

I might be in the minority but that's how I feel about it.  If you want to know everything happening from the community marketing team, it's as simple as following a weekly link.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12131.0

Transparency should be king within BitShares.

Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: G1ng3rBr34dM4n on December 12, 2014, 03:44:52 pm
You should expect an update from Adam on monday.

And from Brian P? Like never?

Probably never! But bitmarket and murderistic from his marketeer crew hang out here occasionally

The arrogance is costing me money (for Pepto Bismol)

Updates would be great, project plan would be even better. I just want to see a project plan outlining 1 month, 3 months, 6 months with milestones, projected costs and resource allocation. I understand the need for privacy with business development, the same shouldn't hold true for marketing efforts. At a 40 million dollar valuation, we should have a monster plan outlined and coordinated between different resources.

I might be in the minority but that's how I feel about it.  If you want to know everything happening from the community marketing team, it's as simple as following a weekly link.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12131.0

Transparency should be king within BitShares.

hpenvy - I don't think you're in the minority. 

I too - would really like to at the very least see some projections and a solid executable plan.  Not even a 1+ month plan, but a RIGHT NOW plan.  I may be speaking for myself, but I'd sure appreciate at least a weekly update that outlines specifically what the incumbent marketing team has done, along with what they will be doing, and what they plan to accomplish for the next week.

If these current efforts need to stay behind closed doors, then perhaps we call it what it is: Business Development (because there IS a difference from marketing).  We're simply scaling to the point where Brian's team cannot do both, it's a great problem to have - now let's address it.  I'd be in favor of voting in an "additional" marketing team to take the helm, with specific focus on marketing alone, with an allocated budget and more transparency.
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: hpenvy on December 12, 2014, 07:22:51 pm
Say No To Closed Source Marketing

I'm struggling with the logic. We have no problem being open source in development, even with the potential for competitors to use our tech. Ok, but when it comes to marketing, the secret sauce is too sensitive to share?

It doesn't make sense to me. Look at the progress at Nullstreet. We have the opportunity to question and be critical of each others ideas which leads to a better product.

I speak for myself. Could I please get an official answer? I'm not interested in analogies, just a direct response. Maybe I don't understand the weird dynamic. Maybe a separate marketing and business director role needs to be defined as mentioned above?
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: santaclause102 on December 12, 2014, 10:47:53 pm
You should expect an update from Adam on monday.

And from Brian P? Like never?

Probably never! But bitmarket and murderistic from his marketeer crew hang out here occasionally

The arrogance is costing me money (for Pepto Bismol)

Updates would be great, project plan would be even better. I just want to see a project plan outlining 1 month, 3 months, 6 months with milestones, projected costs and resource allocation. I understand the need for privacy with business development, the same shouldn't hold true for marketing efforts. At a 40 million dollar valuation, we should have a monster plan outlined and coordinated between different resources.

I might be in the minority but that's how I feel about it.  If you want to know everything happening from the community marketing team, it's as simple as following a weekly link.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12131.0

Transparency should be king within BitShares.
That is absolutely reasonable!  +5%
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: GaltReport on December 12, 2014, 11:11:53 pm
You should expect an update from Adam on monday.

And from Brian P? Like never?

Probably never! But bitmarket and murderistic from his marketeer crew hang out here occasionally

The arrogance is costing me money (for Pepto Bismol)

Updates would be great, project plan would be even better. I just want to see a project plan outlining 1 month, 3 months, 6 months with milestones, projected costs and resource allocation. I understand the need for privacy with business development, the same shouldn't hold true for marketing efforts. At a 40 million dollar valuation, we should have a monster plan outlined and coordinated between different resources.

I might be in the minority but that's how I feel about it.  If you want to know everything happening from the community marketing team, it's as simple as following a weekly link.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12131.0

Transparency should be king within BitShares.

hpenvy - I don't think you're in the minority. 

I too - would really like to at the very least see some projections and a solid executable plan.  Not even a 1+ month plan, but a RIGHT NOW plan.  I may be speaking for myself, but I'd sure appreciate at least a weekly update that outlines specifically what the incumbent marketing team has done, along with what they will be doing, and what they plan to accomplish for the next week.

If these current efforts need to stay behind closed doors, then perhaps we call it what it is: Business Development (because there IS a difference from marketing).  We're simply scaling to the point where Brian's team cannot do both, it's a great problem to have - now let's address it.  I'd be in favor of voting in an "additional" marketing team to take the helm, with specific focus on marketing alone, with an allocated budget and more transparency.
Agree.  I manage million dollar plus projects and all have baselined, cost-loaded, work breakdown schedules.  For sure these are not inventing the future projects but still they are IT projects.  A high level schedule with milestones is minimum.

Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: Shentist on December 12, 2014, 11:33:14 pm
you will not get what you asking for - point!

was in the past asked already and never happend, so i am not expecting much. I am really happy with methodx push with nullstreet and i am expecting more from this side. But it is just a feeling i don't trust stuff like "we are ready if the wallet is ready" this is just smoke in my eyes. Brian has the trust from Bytemaster and this is all we have to know - so it seems.
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: James212 on December 12, 2014, 11:49:16 pm
You should expect an update from Adam on monday.

And from Brian P? Like never?

 +5%

Probably never! But bitmarket and murderistic from his marketeer crew hang out here occasionally

The arrogance is costing me money (for Pepto Bismol)

Updates would be great, project plan would be even better. I just want to see a project plan outlining 1 month, 3 months, 6 months with milestones, projected costs and resource allocation. I understand the need for privacy with business development, the same shouldn't hold true for marketing efforts. At a 40 million dollar valuation, we should have a monster plan outlined and coordinated between different resources.

I might be in the minority but that's how I feel about it.  If you want to know everything happening from the community marketing team, it's as simple as following a weekly link.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12131.0

Transparency should be king within BitShares.

hpenvy - I don't think you're in the minority. 

I too - would really like to at the very least see some projections and a solid executable plan.  Not even a 1+ month plan, but a RIGHT NOW plan.  I may be speaking for myself, but I'd sure appreciate at least a weekly update that outlines specifically what the incumbent marketing team has done, along with what they will be doing, and what they plan to accomplish for the next week.

If these current efforts need to stay behind closed doors, then perhaps we call it what it is: Business Development (because there IS a difference from marketing).  We're simply scaling to the point where Brian's team cannot do both, it's a great problem to have - now let's address it.  I'd be in favor of voting in an "additional" marketing team to take the helm, with specific focus on marketing alone, with an allocated budget and more transparency.
Title: Re: Weekly or Biweekly Updates. Is it too much to ask?
Post by: santaclause102 on December 13, 2014, 12:50:34 am
you will not get what you asking for - point!

was in the past asked already and never happend, so i am not expecting much. I am really happy with methodx push with nullstreet and i am expecting more from this side. But it is just a feeling i don't trust stuff like "we are ready if the wallet is ready" this is just smoke in my eyes. Brian has the trust from Bytemaster and this is all we have to know - so it seems.
resigning is not a good argument :)