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Title: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: CLains on January 13, 2015, 12:05:50 pm
1) Released Cryptocurrencies:
VisaBitcoinRippleLitecoinMastercoinNxtCounterpartyBitsharesBlackcoinQoraCryptiStellar
Operational57 years6 years3 Years3 Years1 Year1 Year1 Year1 Year10 Months7 Months7 Months5 Months
Consensus MechanismConsensusProof of WorkConsensusProof of WorkTimestamp AuthorityImproved Proof of StakeTimestamp AuthorityDelegated Proof of StakePoW (distribution) / PoSPoSPoS: Purchase, Time, IdentityConsensus
Block Production Time-10 minutes10 seconds3,2 minutes10 minutes2 minutes10 minutes10 seconds1 minute1-5 minute1 minute2-5 seconds
Recommended Confirmation Time-6 blocks1 block6 blocks / 15 minutes6 blocks10 blocks6 blocks 1 block10 blocks10 blocks-1 block
Worst Case for Confirmation Time-100 blocks (20 hrs)-100 blocks (4 hrs)100 blocks (20 hours)1440 blocks (48 hrs)100 blocks (20 hrs)51 blocks (8.5 min)120 blocks (2 hours)---
Max. Transaction Load47.000 TPS7 tps-28 tps2 tps3,4 tps2 tps10 tps70 tps---
Average Transaction Load2000 TPS1,17 TPS0,5 TPS0,06 TPS-0,05 TPS0,003 TPS0,05 TPS0,08 TPS0,001 TPS--
Number of Accounts-2,7 million140.000142.000-93.0007.200230.00065006200--
Transaction Fee Costs2% of transaction value.0001 BTC0.00001 XRP0.001 LTC.0001 BTC1 NXT.0001 BTCVariable0.001 BLK per kB1 QORAVariable0.00001 STR
Network Security Costs-tx fees + block rewardlow ~ secure server administration coststx fees + block reward10% inflation via miningtx fees 10% inflation via mininga fraction of transaction (tx) feesmax 1% of expected market captx fees tx fees -
Inflation-10%Deflationary30%Deflationary0%DeflationaryDelegate positions1%0%Deflationary1%
Share SupplyUnlimited13,7 million31 billion (out of 100 billion)35,5 million0,5 million1 billion2,6 million2,5 billion75 million10 billion100 million3,5 billion (out of 100,5 billion)
Average Volume (mil USD)165182371,320,0020,030,030,10,050,00040,0010,09
Share Divisibility (precision)2 decimal places8 decimal places6 decimal places8 decimal places8 decimal places8 decimal places8 decimal places5 decimal places8 decimal places8 decimal places8 decimal places6 decimal places
Blockchain Size-33,5 GB430 GB4 GB33,5 GB2,3 GB33,5 GB1,3 GB0,7 GB0,17 GBSTR + BTC + XRP
Brain WalletNoYesYesYesYesYesYesNoYesYesYesNo
MultisignatureNoYesYesYesNoPlannedYesYesYesPlannedNoNo
Anonymous TransactionsNoNoNoNoNoNoNoIn DevelopmentNoPlannedNoIn Development
Instant TransactionsYesYesYesYesYesPlannedNoNoNoPlannedNoNo
Smart ContractsNoYesIn DevelopmentNoYesYesYesYesYesIn DevelopmentNoIn Development
Automated TransactionsYesYesYesNoNoIn DevelopmentYesNoYesIn DevelopmentNoNo
Profit SharingNoNoNoNoNoYesYesIn DevelopmentYesNoNoNo
Decentralised Exchange / Asset ExchangeNoIn DevelopmentYesNoYesYesYesYesIn DevelopmentYesIn DevelopmentYes
Market Pegged AssetsNoYesNoNoNoNoNoIn DevelopmentNoNoNoNo
MarketplaceNoYesNoYesNoYesYesNoYesNoYesNo
Merchant ToolsYesYesYesYesNoNoIn DevelopmentNoIn DevelopmentNoNoYes
Order MatchingNoNoAutomaticNoManual AutomaticAutomaticAutomaticIn DevelopmentAutomaticAutomaticAutomatic
MessagingNoNoNoNoNoYesIn DevelopmentIn DevelopmentIn DevelopmentYesNoIn Development
Encrypted  MessagingNoNoNoNoNoYesIn DevelopmentIn DevelopmentPlannedNoNoNo
Hardware WalletYesYesIn DevelopmentYesNoPlannedNoNoPlannedNoNoNo
Mobile WalletYesYesIn DevelopmentYesYesYesIn DevelopmentIn DevelopmentYesPlannedNoNo
Alias SystemNoNoNoNoNoYesNoYesNoYesNoNo
Voting SystemNoPlannedNoNoNoIn DevelopmentIn DevelopmentYesIn DevelopmentYesPlannedNo
SuperNETNoNoNoNoNoYesNoNoNoNoNoNo
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: xeroc on January 13, 2015, 12:42:48 pm
nice summary .. also see http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/BitShares/Why_BitShares#Comparison_of_BitShares_to_Other_Platforms

some mistakes in your table
BitShares has
 - brainwallet
 - anonymous transactions are functional since the beginning
 - market pegged assets are functional for several months now
 - messaging is functional since the beginning (encrypted) .. we now even have a user wall (unencrypted)

what's the source for the table so that we can help fix?!
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: CLains on January 13, 2015, 01:50:56 pm
I think that Salsacz guy is working on it, I found him posting it in the Crypti thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654463.msg10118428#msg10118428
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: cass on January 13, 2015, 01:58:11 pm
maybe considering to add ethereum also! Just said…  +5%
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: testz on January 13, 2015, 02:40:48 pm
Nice comparison table.  +5%
Something wrong with "Smart Contracts".
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: xeroc on January 13, 2015, 02:44:20 pm
Smart Contracts should be "under development"
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: svk on January 13, 2015, 02:48:08 pm
I'm also surprised to learn that Bitcoin has market pegged assets while Bitshares' is "under development".
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: CLains on January 13, 2015, 02:59:23 pm
I'm also surprised to learn that Bitcoin has market pegged assets while Bitshares' is "under development".

Hahaha, yeah got some heavy flaws still.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: bitmarley on January 13, 2015, 05:15:21 pm

BitShares has
 - anonymous transactions are functional since the beginning


Bitshares is not private yet. See:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=13155.msg172745#msg172745
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: xeroc on January 13, 2015, 07:55:52 pm

BitShares has
 - anonymous transactions are functional since the beginning


Bitshares is not private yet. See:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=13155.msg172745#msg172745
Yes .. I know .. but if ANY of those coins is "private" .. so is BitShares .. (maybe except those based on CryptoNote with ring signatures)
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: oldman on January 13, 2015, 08:18:47 pm
 +5%


Well done!
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: fuzzy on January 13, 2015, 08:25:42 pm
I was pretty sure that blocktimes for bitshares were 5-10 seconds....is this incorrect?
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: xeroc on January 13, 2015, 08:30:52 pm
I was pretty sure that blocktimes for bitshares were 5-10 seconds....is this incorrect?
Blocks are signed by delegates every 10 secs ... which is the BLOCK CONFIRMATION time ... hence ... on average you get a 5secs TX CONFIRMATION time :P
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: CLains on January 16, 2015, 07:48:38 pm
Now everyone on twitter is passing this one around,

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7ZbRVaCcAA8RrD.jpg)
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: xeroc on January 16, 2015, 07:58:18 pm
I complain about it on reddit/r/nxt ..
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: alexkravets on January 16, 2015, 08:05:00 pm
This image looks like NXT propaganda because some row's are NXT-specific which are entirely moot for other systems, i.e. "Transparent Forging" WTF ?
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: xeroc on January 16, 2015, 08:09:51 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/NXT/comments/2siow4/a_comparison_between_known_crypto_20_platforms/
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: svk on January 16, 2015, 08:21:24 pm
I complain about it on reddit/r/nxt ..

We'll see if they update it, a bit hilarious how they claim to want to do an honest job of it but somehow most of their information about Bitshares is completely wrong..
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: fuzzy on January 16, 2015, 08:31:28 pm
maybe considering to add ethereum also! Just said…  +5%

Do we really know anything about Ethereum for certain? 
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: svk on January 16, 2015, 08:32:17 pm
I'm not sure why Transaction Fee Costs are listed as "variable" on our wiki. For a comparison like this it should just say 0.1BTS, which is the minimum fee for transfers..

Here's why Bitshares is not decentralized according to them:

Quote
Quote from: Daedelus on January 11, 2015, 03:17:27 pm
Dan Larimer describes Bitshares as "a distributed multi-user database" in his blogpost "What is Bitshares?".
http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/update/2014/12/18/What-is-BitShares/

I agree with him, it is too much of a stretch to call it decentralized.
Thanks.

I was doubting about Bitshares as well. Thanks for this confirmation.

Impressive logic that I must say. You should point them to this post instead: http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/13/Decentralization-of-Nxt-vs-BitShares/

I don't believe we have Cross Chain Trading Support though so that should not be checked.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: svk on January 16, 2015, 08:32:42 pm
maybe considering to add ethereum also! Just said…  +5%

Do we really know anything about Ethereum for certain?

From their comments in the thread I think they used to have Ethereum in there but removed it due to lack of info.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: Akado on January 16, 2015, 08:33:24 pm
this seem like they are bashing us honestly lol. Just make a new, fair chart and start spreading it on twitter too.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: alexkravets on January 16, 2015, 09:14:33 pm
IMHO, I found the NXT community to be composed of some shrewd Russian founders/whales plus lots of clueless western fan-boys who put out such propaganda charts
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: svk on January 16, 2015, 09:18:00 pm
I just couldn't resist, registered on their forum and made a LOOONG post to give them some better info..
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: CLains on January 16, 2015, 09:32:04 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/NXT/comments/2siow4/a_comparison_between_known_crypto_20_platforms/

I just couldn't resist, registered on their forum and made a LOOONG post to give them some better info..

Great work xeroc and svk! Link to NXT forum thread here. (https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/help-design-a-comparative-matrix-for-presentation-and-nxt-wiki/msg152232/#msg152232)

We will get this fixed in no-time, and then we got NXTers spreading the gospel on how awesome our platform is as well :)
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: alexkravets on January 16, 2015, 09:40:24 pm
I just couldn't resist, registered on their forum and made a LOOONG post to give them some better info..

There's no need to waste time trying to educate the clueless western marketoid fanboys of NXT, NXT is in a death spiral with falling trading volume and market cap ...

Just let the nature take its course ...
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: bytemaster on January 16, 2015, 09:40:52 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/NXT/comments/2siow4/a_comparison_between_known_crypto_20_platforms/

I just couldn't resist, registered on their forum and made a LOOONG post to give them some better info..

Great work xeroc and svk! Link to NXT forum thread here. (https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/help-design-a-comparative-matrix-for-presentation-and-nxt-wiki/msg152232/#msg152232)

We will get this fixed in no-time, and then we got NXTers spreading the gospel on how awesome our platform is as well :)

Correction: Network Security Costs... fraction of transaction fees.   Delegate pay does not impact security.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: Damelon on January 16, 2015, 09:46:25 pm
Hello people,

I am the one who commissioned this chart, mainly because there wasn't anything like it around.

Believe it or not, I have clearly stated that the chart should be correct.

I will also make sure that it wíll get redistributed on twitter wíth corrections.

When the first versions were made, it was very clearly biased towards Nxt (larger logo, Nxt in the middle, facts kept out etc), something which I said I would not pay for as that's not the purpose of it.

Of course, because it's posted from the Nxt Forums and Nxt Twitter accounts, it's quite normal for people to think that it will be Nxt biased. Suspicion in the crypto world is rather wide-spread and in the FUD-rich scene we operate in, it's understandable.

I will take the gratuitous insults in this thread in that light then.

For the rest: judge by actions, please. The changes, once checked, will be made. I would like to ask that when made, you at least grant us that much.

Dan's article http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/03/Cooperation-Amoung-Crypto-Projects/ suggests we not burn each other to the ground each time we encounter a perceived slight, and I agree with that. There're bigger fish to fry.

Hope that clears these things up somewhat and I hope you will keep us on our toes with this.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: svk on January 16, 2015, 09:47:08 pm
http://www.reddit.com/r/NXT/comments/2siow4/a_comparison_between_known_crypto_20_platforms/

I just couldn't resist, registered on their forum and made a LOOONG post to give them some better info..

Great work xeroc and svk! Link to NXT forum thread here. (https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/help-design-a-comparative-matrix-for-presentation-and-nxt-wiki/msg152232/#msg152232)

We will get this fixed in no-time, and then we got NXTers spreading the gospel on how awesome our platform is as well :)

Correction: Network Security Costs... fraction of transaction fees.   Delegate pay does not impact security.

Indeed, corrected.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: svk on January 16, 2015, 09:51:59 pm
Hello people,

I am the one who commissioned this chart, mainly because there wasn't anything like it around.

Believe it or not, I have clearly stated that the chart should be correct.

I will also make sure that it wíll get redistributed on twitter wíth corrections.

When the first versions were made, it was very clearly biased towards Nxt (larger logo, Nxt in the middle, facts kept out etc), something which I said I would not pay for as that's not the purpose of it.

Of course, because it's posted from the Nxt Forums and Nxt Twitter accounts, it's quite normal for people to think that it will be Nxt biased. Suspicion in the crypto world is rather wide-spread and in the FUD-rich scene we operate in, it's understandable.

I will take the gratuitous insults in this thread in that light then.

For the rest: judge by actions, please. The changes, once checked, will be made. I would like to ask that when made, you at least grant us that much.

Dan's article http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/03/Cooperation-Amoung-Crypto-Projects/ suggests we not burn each other to the ground each time we encounter a perceived slight, and I agree with that. There're bigger fish to fry.

Hope that clears these things up somewhat and I hope you will keep us on our toes with this.

Welcome Damelon and thanks for keeping it honest. I think the chart is a good idea and I quite like the design, that's why I wanted to help correct it on your forum.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: edilliam on January 16, 2015, 10:03:31 pm
Welcome Damelon  :D

Dan's article http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/03/Cooperation-Amoung-Crypto-Projects/ suggests we not burn each other to the ground each time we encounter a perceived slight, and I agree with that. There're bigger fish to fry.

I fully agree  +5%
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: mf-tzo on January 17, 2015, 05:17:25 pm
Quote
There's no need to waste time trying to educate the clueless western marketoid fanboys of NXT, NXT is in a death spiral with falling trading volume and market cap ...

Just let the nature take its course ...

No offence mate but NXT has more upside potential than XRP imho right now. As far as I am concerned though, I am so stuck and obsessed with BTS potential that I can't be bothered about XRP and NXT anyway..

On another note, I have been following NXT in the past before I discover BTS and as far as I am concerned Damelon is a very respective member, has been proved very honest and helpful and I hope he can visit this forum more often and exchange any ideas with our devs and this community.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: vegolino on January 17, 2015, 05:25:01 pm
Welcome Damelon  :D

Dan's article http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/03/Cooperation-Amoung-Crypto-Projects/ suggests we not burn each other to the ground each time we encounter a perceived slight, and I agree with that. There're bigger fish to fry.

I fully agree  +5%
+5%
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: xeroc on January 17, 2015, 05:27:38 pm
+5%
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: Damelon on January 18, 2015, 05:38:42 pm
Hello people,

As promised, an updated chart.

I've also put it on our Reddit with an explanation why it's updated.

Tweet will go out soon.

Please point out any glaring mistakes. There are a few areas where things are debatable, because definitions of some features differ across projects. If we can come to consensus on definitions, that helps, otherwise, we should probably put that in somewhere to at least make clear we're not dealing with comparable entities.

So, here it is: http://i.cubeupload.com/J02n9J.jpg

I won't clog up the thread with a big pic ;)
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: matt608 on January 18, 2015, 06:46:50 pm
Hello people,

As promised, an updated chart.

I've also put it on our Reddit with an explanation why it's updated.

Tweet will go out soon.

Please point out any glaring mistakes. There are a few areas where things are debatable, because definitions of some features differ across projects. If we can come to consensus on definitions, that helps, otherwise, we should probably put that in somewhere to at least make clear we're not dealing with comparable entities.

So, here it is: http://i.cubeupload.com/J02n9J.jpg

I won't clog up the thread with a big pic ;)

Not bad, but BitShares does have "profit sharing/dividends".  It does profit sharing in the form of burning of transaction fees and fees for user issued assets, fees for delegate registration and there may be some other fees I'm not aware of.  These fees are all burned and  reduce the supply of BTS which equates to profit sharing as these are DAC income streams and benefit everyone in proportion to their stake.

Marketplace and smartcontracts are AFAIK in the works.

I thought multisig was already up and runnng?  Not sure.

What is "account control"?

Thanks for doing the modifications.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: Tuck Fheman on January 18, 2015, 06:56:18 pm
 +5% for someone else knowing about Qora.  ;)
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: CLains on January 18, 2015, 08:53:04 pm
Hello people,

As promised, an updated chart. Please point out any glaring mistakes.

http://i.cubeupload.com/J02n9J.jpg

Marketplace and smartcontracts are AFAIK in the works.

I thought multisig was already up and running?  Not sure.

What is "account control"?

Marketplace and smartcontract are in the works. I would check profit sharing green as well.

1. No need to list "smart leasing" when none of the projects have it.
2. What is "account control," and "monetary system"?
3. BitShares is pseudo-anonymous with TITAN (http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/File:TITAN_Infographic.jpg) which I think deserves mention.


Anybody have the exact status of Multisig?
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: xeroc on January 18, 2015, 08:54:42 pm
Multisig is close to been release but not yet on the main net .. so the infogfx might get outdated pretty soon :)
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: Damelon on January 18, 2015, 09:49:48 pm
Multisig is close to been release but not yet on the main net .. so the infogfx might get outdated pretty soon :)

That's the reason that I asked them to keep updating this chart for at least three months.
I expect this chart to be constantly outdated, which is a nice testament to the pace of development we're all going through :)
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: xeroc on January 18, 2015, 09:51:03 pm
Multisig is close to been release but not yet on the main net .. so the infogfx might get outdated pretty soon :)

That's the reason that I asked them to keep updating this chart for at least three months.
I expect this chart to be constantly outdated, which is a nice testament to the pace of development we're all going through :)
Sweet idea ... +5%
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: CLains on January 18, 2015, 10:38:17 pm
Multisig is close to been release but not yet on the main net .. so the infogfx might get outdated pretty soon :)

That's the reason that I asked them to keep updating this chart for at least three months.
I expect this chart to be constantly outdated, which is a nice testament to the pace of development we're all going through :)
Sweet idea ... +5%

It's great.  +5%

Chart is getting more awesome by the minute Damelon :)
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: Damelon on January 20, 2015, 12:34:17 pm
Hello people,

As promised, an updated chart.

I've also put it on our Reddit with an explanation why it's updated.

Tweet will go out soon.

Please point out any glaring mistakes. There are a few areas where things are debatable, because definitions of some features differ across projects. If we can come to consensus on definitions, that helps, otherwise, we should probably put that in somewhere to at least make clear we're not dealing with comparable entities.

So, here it is: http://i.cubeupload.com/J02n9J.jpg

I won't clog up the thread with a big pic ;)

Not bad, but BitShares does have "profit sharing/dividends".  It does profit sharing in the form of burning of transaction fees and fees for user issued assets, fees for delegate registration and there may be some other fees I'm not aware of.  These fees are all burned and  reduce the supply of BTS which equates to profit sharing as these are DAC income streams and benefit everyone in proportion to their stake.

Marketplace and smartcontracts are AFAIK in the works.

I thought multisig was already up and runnng?  Not sure.

What is "account control"?

Thanks for doing the modifications.

Account Control is what it says on the tin: an advance feature set for accounts: http://www.thenxtwiki.org/wiki/Account_Control
These features are phased in one at a time, not as one large block. For instance, our next release will include phased transactions. Broadly speaking, Phasing is a two stage transaction that isn’t processed until a second condition is met.

There are a few areas where specific platform have unique features. Nxt for instance has Transparent Forging, and I am sure BTS has things that aren't present in any other platform, too.
It would be a pity to leave those out. Maybe a "doesn't apply" icon is a good way to handle those?
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: yellowecho on January 20, 2015, 03:53:55 pm
Please point out any glaring mistakes.

So, here it is: http://i.cubeupload.com/J02n9J.jpg

Thanks for the updates!  As defined in the NXT wiki, BitShares already has a "Monetary System".  Also "Smart Contracts" should probably be considered in-development... and (correct me if I'm wrong) "Instant Transactions" would likely be 'guaranteed' via escrow which is also in-development.   
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: bytemaster on January 20, 2015, 04:10:27 pm
Anonymous Trx is "under construction" for BTS as well.
Title: Re: Spec Chart for Major Cryptos
Post by: svk on January 20, 2015, 09:26:36 pm
Looks better for sure! I'm still curious about those market pegged assets NXT apparently has though..