Either that or its become like a cult where you can't question anything. Many cults have pointless rituals like mining.
I agree.. I've been debating them non stop for a few days on Bitcointalk and some of them won't budge.Quote from: traderEither that or its become like a cult where you can't question anything. Many cults have pointless rituals like mining.
Bingo :D
I agree.. I've been debating them non stop for a few days on Bitcointalk and some of them won't budge.Quote from: traderEither that or its become like a cult where you can't question anything. Many cults have pointless rituals like mining.
Bingo :D
Most think anything that isn't Bitcoin is a scam coin.
Some think that energy has to be consumed in the minting of Bitcoins for them to have any value.
The anarchists seem to really hate DPoS because of the election process.
Some think the exchanges have manipulated the price of PoS coins and this is the only reason for their value.
Others say the rich still get richer because they can vote in delegates controlled by themselves.
A few mentions of DPoS/BitsharesX being like a central bank... we all know how much people hate central banks.
Some think DPoS is subject to social engineering and politics
The point has been made that Delegates likely have less security measures in place and ddos resistance than Bitcoin mining pools.
Some don't understand the need for voting and the reason for only having 101 delegates.
These are some of the most common arguments, and I am not saying they are accurate or I agree with them. Some of the arguments I think I have refuted pretty well, but some just refuse to change their minds no matter what I say.
By the way.. I could use some help in the debate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770591.0
You guys are all acting like Bitcoin is impregnable.
If you sort out the pool mining issues, then you guys can act as cocky as you like, but if you don't take the power out of the pools,
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Why is 'centralization of mining' not the no.1 topic that the community is trying to address everyday?
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Anytime you try to introduce a brand new concept that solves a problem people were unaware they had and you have not platform (brand, email list, celebrity status) to leverage off of, it is going to be a long hard slog. There will be no easy routes.Which video is that?
Expect low conversions rates. Expect spits in the face. (Think mormons knocking on doors reactions) But we chip away and 1or2% take notice, and momentum builds and builds. I would argue we already have great success (of course I am biased). There are many comments in my videos thanking me for introducing them to bitshares... And remember this is just the first and second touch. Most sales take 7+ touches.
I know there are other people doing awesome work as well, but just one of my videos has 7,000+ views. That knowledge (inefficiency of POW) is now stuck in their head. They can't forget it if they wanted to, no matter how hard they scream blasphemy on the forums.
As we touch them again, with other superior points of difference (videos yet to be determined) the evidence mounts and minds are changed.
I am an anarchist and an atheist. I have had thousands of conversations bringing reason and evidence to people who believe in and advocate destructive and logically inconsistent ideas.
If I were generous I would say I have managed to change the minds of maybe 1% of them. Of those I probably did not introduce the idea to any of them. Probably others had before me and I was just the final touch that got them across the line. Many of the people who said I was crazy might one day change their mind while speaking to another ambassador of those causes. I will never know about it but I will have done my part.
All you can do is be a kind and generous ambassador, and love them no matter how long it takes them to change their mind and results will follow. It is not personal. They are just dealing with their own shit and trying to get through life as best they can. The moment you take it personally and be even a touch rude or curt, you are a poor ambassador and set the goals you are trying to achieve back massively.
By the way... we have 3 bitassets now. Are the pegs holding? Once the pegs hold I will do more videos on that. I can see bitGLD appeal to a certain crowd though. Although I see a split in physical and paper gold prices very soon. How will that work? That would hold me back from trusting bitGld too much.
Which video is that?
QuoteWhich video is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-TLA3j-ic4&list=UUchU0j9bXOa_E1xbxB5MqbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo979iaLvEs&list=UUchU0j9bXOa_E1xbxB5MqbQ
+5% This is my thoughts from another thread. Still applies:
"think that our first-rung goal should be the "bitcoin" trend setters (i.e. the independent thinkers... Then, we skip over the bitcoin-religious (i.e. close-minded) and go directly to the broader market. The bitcoin faithful will come around at their own time once sandwiched by these two waves of adoption. No sense in trying to convince an audience who has already made up their mind without even any facts. So, in my thinking the novelty benefit will certainly help in directing the crypto market's attention to achieve out first-rung goal"
These are some of the most common arguments, and I am not saying they are accurate or I agree with them. Some of the arguments I think I have refuted pretty well, but some just refuse to change their minds no matter what I say.
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So, that's how one overclocks an iPhone...
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I'm now in the process of converting 1/3 of my bitcoins to bitshares. (Not ready to go all in because bitcoin is still so much larger and thus less risky. If bitshares is indeed better, then my holding of it will grow in time to surpass my bitcoin holdings).
Don't give up, it does get through to some people. I used to be one of the 'hate all altcoins' bitcoin holders until this month. I got so tired of seeing bitcoin decline, and reading about how all the new mining coins coming in every day were hurting the price. When I read about bitshares, and how it attempts to be an autonomous company that actually makes a profit that is returned to holders, instead of bleeding money through the expensive mining process, I became a convert.
A dividend paying asset is far superior in the long term to an inflating currency! That is the key selling point. And bitshares has the best name to drive this home. Bitcoin is the currency, Bitshares is the asset!
Even Coindesk editors dont have a clue: http://www.coindesk.com/two-words-explain-price-movements-bitcoin/
No mention of mining expenses at all.
I'm doing a similar thing, but bitshares can be superior and still fail, for example if enough momentum isn't captured via lots of marketing. There's a lot to do in the next 6 months!
I'm doing a similar thing, but bitshares can be superior and still fail, for example if enough momentum isn't captured via lots of marketing. There's a lot to do in the next 6 months!
Yes, thats the main reason I'm only doing 1/3 of my bitcoin. If bitshares succeeds, that will be plenty.
Had you two been around during the 200 days of AGS funding, you may have obsessively, compulsively, ended up 100% in BitShares 8)
I'm now in the process of converting 1/3 of my bitcoins to bitshares. (Not ready to go all in because bitcoin is still so much larger and thus less risky. If bitshares is indeed better, then my holding of it will grow in time to surpass my bitcoin holdings).
I'm doing a similar thing, but bitshares can be superior and still fail, for example if enough momentum isn't captured via lots of marketing. There's a lot to do in the next 6 months!
Even Coindesk editors dont have a clue: http://www.coindesk.com/two-words-explain-price-movements-bitcoin/
No mention of mining expenses at all.
While I generally agree that Coindesk is POW biased, the article linked had this disclaimer listed at the bottom:
Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of, and should not be attributed to, CoinDesk.
Don't give up, it does get through to some people. I used to be one of the 'hate all altcoins' bitcoin holders until this month. I got so tired of seeing bitcoin decline, and reading about how all the new mining coins coming in every day were hurting the price. When I read about bitshares, and how it attempts to be an autonomous company that actually makes a profit that is returned to holders, instead of bleeding money through the expensive mining process, I became a convert.
A dividend paying asset is far superior in the long term to an inflating currency! That is the key selling point. And bitshares has the best name to drive this home. Bitcoin is the currency, Bitshares is the asset!
I'm now in the process of converting 1/3 of my bitcoins to bitshares. (Not ready to go all in because bitcoin is still so much larger and thus less risky. If bitshares is indeed better, then my holding of it will grow in time to surpass my bitcoin holdings).