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Title: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Riverhead on November 01, 2014, 02:13:06 pm

UPDATE: Proposed Financials (Draft): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q3AQj5qDZiivmk8b1Rj6nQ5upsXikWguSu8IefOexxY/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q3AQj5qDZiivmk8b1Rj6nQ5upsXikWguSu8IefOexxY/edit?usp=sharing)

Folks,

One of the best features of this community is the diversity of talents people are bringing to the table. Finance gurus, true hacker level programmers, marketing experts, social media wizards, and a strong contingent of IT professionals. What this means to me is that there is enough breadth of skill sets that we can each play to our strengths. I've been in the IT businesses in various capacities (support, programmer, consultant, etc.) for about 25 years and I currently manage a corporate data warehouse for a publicly traded healthcare data analytics company. As enjoyable as this job is, I'd like to leave it one day to be one of the first persons directly employed by a blockchain. Truly, I cannot think of anything more worthy of my abilities than this.

I describe an IT Delegate's duties as:
What else?

I will set initial pay rate at 10% and will put together a budget shortly.

TL;DR
Who am I really? http://www.linkedin.com/pub/james-reidy/0/681/755 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/james-reidy/0/681/755)
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: xeroc on November 01, 2014, 02:36:05 pm
+5% ... maybe you have fun building yet another pricefeed script ..
you'll have my vote
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: svk on November 01, 2014, 03:03:28 pm
 +5%, you'll have my vote as well.

Not sure 3% will cover much in the way of servers etc atm, you could probably ask for a little more, 5-10% maybe?

I'm wrestling with the same question of what pay-rate to set. I feel one has to take into account the amount of time being spent to "work for the blockchain" as well as the benefits of that work. Someone working full-time should merit a higher payrate than someone working 60%  (3 days per week) or 20% etc..
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: maqifrnswa on November 01, 2014, 03:22:36 pm
 +5% I agree that this is a good example things a delegate can do, when paid by the blockchain
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Riverhead on November 01, 2014, 03:46:23 pm
+5% , you'll have my vote as well.

Not sure 3% will cover much in the way of servers etc atm, you could probably ask for a little more, 5-10% maybe?

I'm wrestling with the same question of what pay-rate to set. I feel one has to take into account the amount of time being spent to "work for the blockchain" as well as the benefits of that work. Someone working full-time should merit a higher payrate than someone working 60%  (3 days per week) or 20% etc..

Probably best to start high and then ratchet down or do a proof-of-burn as BM suggested.

One thing I forgot to mention is that part of the pay will go to sponsoring development projects like your website. Rather than trying to higher a staff and all that goes along with that I feel it would be more efficient to fund existing independent operations.
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: roadscape on November 01, 2014, 08:07:36 pm
As enjoyable as this job is, I'd like to leave it one day to be one of the first persons directly employed by a blockchain. Truly, I cannot think of anything more worthy of my abilities than this.

+5% to this and your proposal. We really need to establish best practices. Especially security. Looking forward to your contributions!
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: wackou on November 02, 2014, 11:18:51 am
 +5% to all you said, I'm with you there. Couldn't have said it better.

I already have started some delegate tools myself, which you can see described there: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9881.0, let's collaborate if you want.

On another subject, It would be nice to start getting organized between IT delegates to setup something like this: http://digitalgaia.io/backbone.html . I believe it should not be too much work, just ensuring that a few nodes keep connections to a list of other ones to ensure a fully connected graph. And obviously, these nodes should be run by different people in different geographical locations. I still have a bit of work to do myself on the tools before, but say in a week or two I'll start gathering a list of people wanting to participate if no one has stepped up before to do it.
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Riverhead on November 13, 2014, 11:56:12 pm
+5% to all you said, I'm with you there. Couldn't have said it better.

I already have started some delegate tools myself, which you can see described there: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9881.0 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9881.0), let's collaborate if you want.


Very sorry for not responding. I have been swamped at work with a SOX audit :( . I think collaborating is a fantastic idea. I suspect there are times we could even co-sponsor some projects where the cost would be too significant for either one of us to handle alone.

So as a way of a bump I'd like to campaign a 10% delegate backbone.riverhead. Thank you to those that have already said they'd support me. I will update this thread when the delegate is created.

Also, I updated the OP with my real world ID.

Thank you.
James.
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: ticklebiscuit on November 14, 2014, 01:03:05 am
What are the issues of legality when running delegates?
What are the legal issues behind receiving donations from delegates?

We need to pay lawyers to help us with this if there isnt a clear tyranny landscape...I mean laws on this.
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: hpenvy on November 14, 2014, 01:07:37 am
What are the issues of legality when running delegates?
What are the legal issues behind receiving donations from delegates?

We need to pay lawyers to help us with this if there isnt a clear tyranny landscape...I mean laws on this.

Which country?
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Riverhead on November 14, 2014, 02:08:59 am
I'm not too concerned about legal issues running a delegate. I'll report my income when I need to cash it out to fiat. This came up briefly on last week's mumble session and the common answer was you'd just be a freelancer.

As far as giving grants to fund projects perhaps BM and/or Stan can speak to that as they have done this already and they are on top of their legal game.

That said I would be willing to pool a legal defense fun with some delegates. Sounds like a perfect use for the new escrow functionality.
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: cass on November 14, 2014, 08:09:40 am
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11370.msg149705#msg149705

hope this helps a bit to simplify the voting process directly out of forum
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: ticklebiscuit on November 21, 2014, 01:44:11 am
I'm not too concerned about legal issues running a delegate. I'll report my income when I need to cash it out to fiat. This came up briefly on last week's mumble session and the common answer was you'd just be a freelancer.

As far as giving grants to fund projects perhaps BM and/or Stan can speak to that as they have done this already and they are on top of their legal game.

That said I would be willing to pool a legal defense fun with some delegates. Sounds like a perfect use for the new escrow functionality.

You need at least 50% pay rate for all you are wanting to do crazy guy. Choose 50%+
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Riverhead on November 21, 2014, 01:49:41 am
I'm not too concerned about legal issues running a delegate. I'll report my income when I need to cash it out to fiat. This came up briefly on last week's mumble session and the common answer was you'd just be a freelancer.

As far as giving grants to fund projects perhaps BM and/or Stan can speak to that as they have done this already and they are on top of their legal game.

That said I would be willing to pool a legal defense fun with some delegates. Sounds like a perfect use for the new escrow functionality.

You need at least 50% pay rate for all you are wanting to do crazy guy. Choose 50%+
I'm willing to operate at a loss until the 10% is real money. Crazy guy is generous :P. Hopefully not delusional haha.

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Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: zerosum on November 21, 2014, 02:07:00 am
I'm not too concerned about legal issues running a delegate. I'll report my income when I need to cash it out to fiat. This came up briefly on last week's mumble session and the common answer was you'd just be a freelancer.

As far as giving grants to fund projects perhaps BM and/or Stan can speak to that as they have done this already and they are on top of their legal game.

That said I would be willing to pool a legal defense fun with some delegates. Sounds like a perfect use for the new escrow functionality.

You will/might run in  trouble if you do that. You are supposed to report it at the time you received it (read daily, I would not go to any wider interpretation than 'at the moment you withdrew the funds with wallet_delegate_withdraw_pay). At least that's how I was told to read the current regulations ...
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Riverhead on November 21, 2014, 02:15:30 am
I'm not too concerned about legal issues running a delegate. I'll report my income when I need to cash it out to fiat. This came up briefly on last week's mumble session and the common answer was you'd just be a freelancer.

As far as giving grants to fund projects perhaps BM and/or Stan can speak to that as they have done this already and they are on top of their legal game.

That said I would be willing to pool a legal defense fun with some delegates. Sounds like a perfect use for the new escrow functionality.

You will/might run in  trouble if you do that. You are supposed to report it at the time you received it (read daily). At least that's how I was told to read the current regulations ...
Hmm. Maybe it's when you do a withdraw pay delegate operation. Until then it's not really spendable. Sort of like hourly pay building up but you save off deductions on payday. Anyway, I'm happy to pay my taxes until I can move elsewhere.

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Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: svk on November 21, 2014, 01:49:19 pm
I'm not too concerned about legal issues running a delegate. I'll report my income when I need to cash it out to fiat. This came up briefly on last week's mumble session and the common answer was you'd just be a freelancer.

As far as giving grants to fund projects perhaps BM and/or Stan can speak to that as they have done this already and they are on top of their legal game.

That said I would be willing to pool a legal defense fun with some delegates. Sounds like a perfect use for the new escrow functionality.

You will/might run in  trouble if you do that. You are supposed to report it at the time you received it (read daily). At least that's how I was told to read the current regulations ...
Hmm. Maybe it's when you do a withdraw pay delegate operation. Until then it's not really spendable. Sort of like hourly pay building up but you save off deductions on payday. Anyway, I'm happy to pay my taxes until I can move elsewhere.

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Yea, I think a lot of people don't realize how delegate pay works. It's not like in Bitcoin where the person who finds a block immediately gets the block reward sent to his account, in Bitshares it's stored by the blockchain until you actually withdraw it manually, and you can choose the account to withdraw to. Whether that makes any difference taxwise I don't know, but either way I'm with River on this, meaning I don't intend to declare anything that I haven't converted to fiat and I'm not doing that anytime soon..
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Method-X on November 25, 2014, 03:12:23 am
 +5% Nice to see this is live now! I voted for Riverhead because providing the blockchain with security is an extremely important service. At 10% pay, this is a steal.
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: matt608 on November 25, 2014, 01:23:18 pm
Voted for you, what you are offering is important.  +5%
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: santaclause102 on November 25, 2014, 03:09:55 pm
voted!
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: bytemaster on November 25, 2014, 08:22:44 pm
You are in :)
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: hpenvy on November 25, 2014, 08:49:37 pm
You are in :)

 +5%
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Riverhead on November 25, 2014, 09:41:01 pm
You are in :)

Awesome! Thank you for the support :).
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on November 27, 2014, 04:26:51 am
Good to see the up of IT delegate, so all delegates now have a teacher +5%

May I ask you one question? or maybe it's a suggestion.

Can you update all the necessary techniques about how to run a delegate on some website, like wiki?

For example, I heard that you are able to compile BTS wallet from your own computer, and then mirror it to VPS node, then the VPS can run the wallet without compiling first. In this manner, you can use a VPS with lower capacity to save cost. Many tips like this will be very valuable. +5% +5% +5%
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Riverhead on November 27, 2014, 06:13:42 am
Good suggestions, thank you.

Yes, to run a delegate currently takes a lot less resources than it does to compile. All that is needed on the VPS is the binary and a few dependencies.

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Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: jamesc on December 19, 2014, 03:20:12 pm
 +5% voted
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: Riverhead on December 19, 2014, 03:22:57 pm
+5% voted

Thanks! I have just budgeted some of backbone.riverhead's income to a bronze github plan that will be used by toast and other interested parties to maintain freetrade_bots.
Title: Re: IT Delegate Proposal - backbone.riverhead
Post by: liondani on December 19, 2014, 04:18:02 pm
+5% voted

Thanks! I have just budgeted some of backbone.riverhead's income to a bronze github plan that will be used by toast and other interested parties to maintain freetrade_bots.

 +5%