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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: Method-X on February 09, 2015, 02:06:53 am
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After working with and observing first hand the quality of work Cass has done since he's been given creative control, I believe he absolutely deserves a second delegate position. At current market cap, he's not making much and he's somebody BitShares needs to hold on to. I've worked with a few web devs / designers in my line of work and I will vouch that Cass is definitely A+ material. Who would support a second delegate for Cass?
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If he wants it, I'll support Cass x2.
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His current pay can barely ends meet. He is a talented and hard working designer. He deserves a second delegate position.
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+1
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i agree
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Cass is at the absolute front lines of perception. Image is very important. His skills and dedication are very apparent.
Given the current delegate pay rate, I support this. +5%
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Cass x2
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I agree, but only after jsidhu's first delegate gets in!
Vote for dev.sidhujag :)
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I agree, but only after jsidhu's first delegate gets in!
Vote for dev.sidhujag :)
+5% +5%
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I will absolutely vote to approve cass delegatex2
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Agreed.
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I agree, but only after jsidhu's first delegate gets in!
Vote for dev.sidhujag :)
Voted.
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*2 = +5%!
@cass: if you wish I can borrow you the registration fee
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I agree, but only after jsidhu's first delegate gets in!
Vote for dev.sidhujag :)
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+5% +5%
I agree, but only after jsidhu's first delegate gets in!
Vote for dev.sidhujag :)
+5%
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I think 100% pay delegate mechanism is new and cool mechanism, but I cannot say it is a good or bad mechanism, it is just a mechanism, if our community use it in a right way , it is a good mechanism, otherwise it would been bad.
I think work for bts is not a job , but like and enjoy it also
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+5%
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absolutely +5%
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Does Cass work full time for BitShares?
The second delegate should be run at a different location, and preferably by someone else, otherwise it defeats the idea of delegates.
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Does Cass work full time for BitShares?
The second delegate should be run at a different location, and preferably by someone else, otherwise it defeats the idea of delegates.
yup that would be our intend! Other Continent, other maintaining team!
Thank you all for your trust in my work!
I'm working full time for BitShares, yes…
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At current market cap, he's not making much
This was expected, and for me a big part of the reason why BTS is going to fail. Developers and others need to be paid, some of them have only this as their job, and with ever decreasing we would need more dilution causing more lowering in price; while other groups can happily fork the efforts and with good marketing can become successful. I only hope they sharedrop on us too.
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At current market cap, he's not making much
This was expected, and for me a big part of the reason why BTS is going to fail. Developers and others need to be paid, some of them have only this as their job, and with ever decreasing we would need more dilution causing more lowering in price; while other groups can happily fork the efforts and with good marketing can become successful. I only hope they sharedrop on us too.
BTS is NOT going to fail! You are leaving out of the equation the value being added by the delegates which is soon going to become more and more apparent. You are therefore, for whatever your personal reason (fear of success?), just spreading FUD.
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At current market cap, he's not making much
This was expected, and for me a big part of the reason why BTS is going to fail. Developers and others need to be paid, some of them have only this as their job, and with ever decreasing we would need more dilution causing more lowering in price; while other groups can happily fork the efforts and with good marketing can become successful. I only hope they sharedrop on us too.
BTS is NOT going to fail! You are leaving out of the equation the value being added by the delegates which is soon going to become more and more apparent. You are therefore, for whatever your personal reason (fear of success?), just spreading FUD.
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And this is not first time of sumantso spreading FUD
Yes for cass second delegate :)
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What if BTS marketcap falls to 5m, do the devs deserve 5 delegates each? What if BTS falls to 2m?
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At current market cap, he's not making much
This was expected, and for me a big part of the reason why BTS is going to fail. Developers and others need to be paid, some of them have only this as their job, and with ever decreasing we would need more dilution causing more lowering in price; while other groups can happily fork the efforts and with good marketing can become successful. I only hope they sharedrop on us too.
BTS is NOT going to fail! You are leaving out of the equation the value being added by the delegates which is soon going to become more and more apparent. You are therefore, for whatever your personal reason (fear of success?), just spreading FUD.
+5%
And this is not first time of sumantso spreading FUD
Yes for cass second delegate :)
FUD or not, he makes good points. We won't get anywhere by just telling each other that all is well and good and ignoring the fact that we're kind of dangling over a cliff at the moment. You need to spend money to make money, and with every drop in market cap this gets more difficult. Just as DAC self-funding can be explosively helpful in a rising market, the opposite also holds true: a falling market cap is a death spiral.
Something, anything to boost the market cap is needed ASAP, or we will begin losing developers who aren't willing to put their livelihoods on the line to chase a dream.
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At current market cap, he's not making much
This was expected, and for me a big part of the reason why BTS is going to fail. Developers and others need to be paid, some of them have only this as their job, and with ever decreasing we would need more dilution causing more lowering in price; while other groups can happily fork the efforts and with good marketing can become successful. I only hope they sharedrop on us too.
BTS is NOT going to fail! You are leaving out of the equation the value being added by the delegates which is soon going to become more and more apparent. You are therefore, for whatever your personal reason (fear of success?), just spreading FUD.
+5%
And this is not first time of sumantso spreading FUD
Yes for cass second delegate :)
FUD or not, he makes good points. We won't get anywhere by just telling each other that all is well and good and ignoring the fact that we're kind of dangling over a cliff at the moment. You need to spend money to make money, and with every drop in market cap this gets more difficult. Just as DAC self-funding can be explosively helpful in a rising market, the opposite also holds true: a falling market cap is a death spiral.
Something, anything to boost the market cap is needed ASAP, or we will begin losing developers who aren't willing to put their livelihoods on the line to chase a dream.
You don't necessarily have to spend money to make money. Bitcoin didn't. Yes it's definitely better if we can, but I'm just trying to make the point that it isn't 100% necessary. I've been working full time for free for months now and I'm aware of several others in similar positions. I really dislike these kind of "we need something, anything" type posts like we haven't got a light wallet on the way, or multiple bridges, or a zero click shopping cart, or a massive decentralized marketing effort or multiple media projects or about 20 different teams working on other awesome stuff. If you want to increase the cap, bring attention to these things and highlight them! If you keep pretending nothing is going on then you will decrease the cap.
Edit: I am in support of cass getting a 2nd delegate btw.
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As a dev delegate I am expected to take a haircut in terms of pay but I also expect to work part-time because it won't pay the bills... I have a full-time job and work on this stuff on the side so this is the kind of person that would fit the description for a developer delegate right now... when things change maybe you can have full-time devs once price rises but I expect this to be an early adoption phase so I'm holding as many as I can get assuming they are worth alot more in the future... to me its not the amount of fiat I am making but the amount of BTS and the amount I am happy with for the project I work on. Just like its not enough right now there will be a time when its TOO much.. so if we stay the line now.. we will reap the benefits later.
Also once a dev has enough experience he/she becomes a perfectionist.. and usually wants to do good work, automatically putting more hours in to make sure they release good tools, especially ones that may change the world... usually will make up for the fact that the pay is less (atleast for me). Usually devs are good at holding because they know they can raise value by developing.
So in summary, the devs that are delegates now are not depending on the pay to put food on the table.. but ones that fit the bill are the ones who are holding now to be "whales" in the future. If I was to interview a dev for a delegate job I would make sure they fit this personality trait, it will bring the most benefit in the least amount of time(time is of essence)
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You don't necessarily have to spend money to make money. Bitcoin didn't. Yes it's definitely better if we can, but I'm just trying to make the point that it isn't 100% necessary. I've been working full time for free for months now and I'm aware of several others in similar positions. I really dislike these kind of "we need something, anything" type posts like we haven't got a light wallet on the way, or multiple bridges, or a zero click shopping cart, or a massive decentralized marketing effort or multiple media projects or about 20 different teams working on other awesome stuff. If you want to increase the cap, bring attention to these things and highlight them! If you keep pretending nothing is going on then you will decrease the cap.
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You make good points also. Maybe the bear market's just getting to me. I just hate the thought of something this awesome dropping into oblivion due to mistakes that can possibly be avoided. And I hate seeing long-standing forum members such as sumantso giving up hope.
I still believe BTS has a bright future, and will hold my stake until the bitter end.
As a dev delegate I am expected to take a haircut in terms of pay but I also expect to work part-time because it won't pay the bills... I have a full-time job and work on this stuff on the side so this is the kind of person that would fit the description for a developer delegate right now... when things change maybe you can have full-time devs once price rises but I expect this to be an early adoption phase so I'm holding as many as I can get assuming they are worth alot more in the future... to me its not the amount of fiat I am making but the amount of BTS and the amount I am happy with for the project I work on. Just like its not enough right now there will be a time when its TOO much.. so if we stay the line now.. we will reap the benefits later.
Also once a dev has enough experience he/she becomes a perfectionist.. and usually wants to do good work, automatically putting more hours in to make sure they release good tools, especially ones that may change the world... usually will make up for the fact that the pay is less (atleast for me). Usually devs are good at holding because they know they can raise value by developing.
So in summary, the devs that are delegates now are not depending on the pay to put food on the table.. but ones that fit the bill are the ones who are holding now to be "whales" in the future. If I was to interview a dev for a delegate job I would make sure they fit this personality trait, it will bring the most benefit in the least amount of time(time is of essence)
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This is the kind of developer BTS needs more of. How the hell do you not yet have a delegate??
I too support a second delegate for cass, btw.
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You don't necessarily have to spend money to make money. Bitcoin didn't. Yes it's definitely better if we can, but I'm just trying to make the point that it isn't 100% necessary. I've been working full time for free for months now and I'm aware of several others in similar positions. I really dislike these kind of "we need something, anything" type posts like we haven't got a light wallet on the way, or multiple bridges, or a zero click shopping cart, or a massive decentralized marketing effort or multiple media projects or about 20 different teams working on other awesome stuff. If you want to increase the cap, bring attention to these things and highlight them! If you keep pretending nothing is going on then you will decrease the cap.
:'(
You make good points also. Maybe the bear market's just getting to me. I just hate the thought of something this awesome dropping into oblivion due to mistakes that can possibly be avoided. And I hate seeing long-standing forum members such as sumantso giving up hope.
I still believe BTS has a bright future, and will hold my stake until the bitter end.
I feel you man. I strongly believe it's times like this that we need to come together and work together. We need to focus on all the positive stuff, because there is so much of that! Just look at the newsletter for example: https://bitshares.org/newsletter/2015/nullstreet/the_nullstreet_journal_0-1.pdf (https://bitshares.org/newsletter/2015/nullstreet/the_nullstreet_journal_0-1.pdf)
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I think Cass is only one of a few delegates who need a second delegate.
I support Cass having a second delegate and also support a number of core developers having them. I simply hope that they will, at a certain marketcap, promise to turn them off.
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Cass x 2 +5%
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There are lots of people working full time who are being under-paid and some part timers getting no pay at all, should all the devs be given an extra delegate? Of course cass deserves a second one but if we vote in second full pay delegates for every full time worker we'll be broke. I'll just say yes, he does deserve one, and leave it at that.
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There are lots of people working full time who are being under-paid and some part timers getting no pay at all, should all the devs be given an extra delegate? Of course cass deserves a second one but if we vote in second full pay delegates for every full time worker we'll be broke. I'll just say yes, he does deserve one, and leave it at that.
Many of the developers are huge BTS holders so they can / should sell some of their shares to pay for whatever lifestyle they're acclimated to. Perhaps a good compromise for Cass would be to publicly state "I will retire delegate number 2 when market cap reaches X for Y time".
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There are lots of people working full time who are being under-paid and some part timers getting no pay at all, should all the devs be given an extra delegate? Of course cass deserves a second one but if we vote in second full pay delegates for every full time worker we'll be broke. I'll just say yes, he does deserve one, and leave it at that.
Many of the developers are huge BTS holders so they can / should sell some of their shares to pay for whatever lifestyle they're acclimated to. Perhaps a good compromise for Cass would be to publicly state "I will retire delegate number 2 when market cap reaches X for Y time".
That sounds reasonable, I was thinking it largely depends on the size of the individuals BTS holdings, the earlier they were here the less they need now.
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Some of the core devs got PTS bonuses, which were meant to compensate for the fact that a delegate position is going to pay much less than market rate for a developer. Those who got such bonuses should just have 1 delegate imo.
In general I support the idea of 1 person = 1 delegate. But in this early time I admit that a full time core person is an exception if they havent received other compensaiton.
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Hey,
thank you all so much for your trust! I've thought about the last weeks, if it would be a good idea to create a 2nd delegate!
I've talked with several members of our community about ... consense on western side = yes … consense on eastern side = no.
So at the end, i've decided, NOT to go with a 2nd delegate!
In addition to this i'll try to get my own BitShares related business out soon, but also don't want to go more into detail now!!
I'm personally thinking, we should come more together again!
East & West, i'm feeling good for BitShares 2015 :)
best
cass
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Hey,
thank you all so much for your trust! I've thought about the last weeks, if it would be a good idea to create a 2nd delegate!
I've talked with several members of our community about ... consense on western side = yes … consense on eastern side = no.
So at the end, i've decided, NOT to go with a 2nd delegate!
In addition to this i'll try to get my own BitShares related business out soon, but also don't want to go more into detail now!!
I'm personally thinking, we should come more together again!
East & West, i'm feeling good for BitShares 2015 :)
best
cass
+5% there is a bit of a divided community.
Thanks for respecting their wishes.
The best of luck on your future business
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Hey,
thank you all so much for your trust! I've thought about the last weeks, if it would be a good idea to create a 2nd delegate!
I've talked with several members of our community about ... consense on western side = yes … consense on eastern side = no.
So at the end, i've decided, NOT to go with a 2nd delegate!
In addition to this i'll try to get my own BitShares related business out soon, but also don't want to go more into detail now!!
I'm personally thinking, we should come more together again!
East & West, i'm feeling good for BitShares 2015 :)
best
cass
2 delegates for anyone is going to be a hard sell for anyone who doesn't know the delegate well, and what they have accomplished. So it doesnt surprise me at all that the chinese community would say no to a 2nd delegate for any westerner.
Now, if only we could get the market cap up so that no one would need two delegates. :)
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Hey,
thank you all so much for your trust! I've thought about the last weeks, if it would be a good idea to create a 2nd delegate!
I've talked with several members of our community about ... consense on western side = yes … consense on eastern side = no.
So at the end, i've decided, NOT to go with a 2nd delegate!
In addition to this i'll try to get my own BitShares related business out soon, but also don't want to go more into detail now!!
I'm personally thinking, we should come more together again!
East & West, i'm feeling good for BitShares 2015 :)
best
cass
2 delegates for anyone is going to be a hard sell for anyone who doesn't know the delegate well, and what they have accomplished. So it doesnt surprise me at all that the chinese community would say no to a 2nd delegate for any westerner.
thanks to wildpig the hole Helloworld team for supporting my 1st campaign on chinese forum section.
Personally i'm not thinking it's due lack of knowing! :)
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Hey,
thank you all so much for your trust! I've thought about the last weeks, if it would be a good idea to create a 2nd delegate!
I've talked with several members of our community about ... consense on western side = yes … consense on eastern side = no.
So at the end, i've decided, NOT to go with a 2nd delegate!
In addition to this i'll try to get my own BitShares related business out soon, but also don't want to go more into detail now!!
I'm personally thinking, we should come more together again!
East & West, i'm feeling good for BitShares 2015 :)
best
cass
2 delegates for anyone is going to be a hard sell for anyone who doesn't know the delegate well, and what they have accomplished. So it doesnt surprise me at all that the chinese community would say no to a 2nd delegate for any westerner.
The communication part has always been a huge barrier. A delegate faces difficulties getting support from both.
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Hey,
thank you all so much for your trust! I've thought about the last weeks, if it would be a good idea to create a 2nd delegate!
I've talked with several members of our community about ... consense on western side = yes … consense on eastern side = no.
So at the end, i've decided, NOT to go with a 2nd delegate!
In addition to this i'll try to get my own BitShares related business out soon, but also don't want to go more into detail now!!
I'm personally thinking, we should come more together again!
East & West, i'm feeling good for BitShares 2015 :)
best
cass
2 delegates for anyone is going to be a hard sell for anyone who doesn't know the delegate well, and what they have accomplished. So it doesnt surprise me at all that the chinese community would say no to a 2nd delegate for any westerner.
The communication part has always been a huge barrier. A delegate faces difficulties getting support from both.
I don`t think it is barrier, because no delegate can get 100% shareholders support
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Hey,
thank you all so much for your trust! I've thought about the last weeks, if it would be a good idea to create a 2nd delegate!
I've talked with several members of our community about ... consense on western side = yes … consense on eastern side = no.
So at the end, i've decided, NOT to go with a 2nd delegate!
In addition to this i'll try to get my own BitShares related business out soon, but also don't want to go more into detail now!!
I'm personally thinking, we should come more together again!
East & West, i'm feeling good for BitShares 2015 :)
best
cass
2 delegates for anyone is going to be a hard sell for anyone who doesn't know the delegate well, and what they have accomplished. So it doesnt surprise me at all that the chinese community would say no to a 2nd delegate for any westerner.
The communication part has always been a huge barrier. A delegate faces difficulties getting support from both.
I don`t think it is barrier, because no delegate can get 100% shareholders support
yup
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I would love to close this post, if nobody is against!
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Thanks cass for his hard and talent working on bts, I think it must make BTS price up , I would vote you.
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Just a last idea:
The half of us (maybe more) want that you setup a second 100% payrate delegate, and the other half not...
So I suggest you to setup a second but 50% payrate delegate !!!
That's very reasonable even for the Chinese community....
You will be instant voted in and I am sure they (even "haters"not-well-informed) will not make a big deal about it! ;)
PS and if we have a significant jump on market cap you can reduce your 50% payrate slowly to zero without touching your main delegate :)
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That is a good compromise. Rather than 'haters', I consider them not-well-informed.
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That is a good compromise. Rather than 'haters', I consider them not-well-informed.
You are right... just edited my post ;)
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Just a last idea:
The half of us (maybe more) want that you setup a second 100% payrate delegate, and the other half not...
So I suggest you to setup a second but 50% payrate delegate !!!
That's very reasonable even for the Chinese community....
You will be instant voted in and I am sure they (even "haters"not well informed) will not make a big deal about it! ;)
PS and if we have a significant jump on market cap you can reduce your 50% payrate slowly to zero without touching your main delegate :)
Just want to let you all know , a temporary solution for this situation is provided .
The details is not up to me to reveal .
As Cass said , it's time to close this thread . ;)
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Thank you all for your trust!