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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: sudo on April 28, 2015, 08:54:49 am
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how?
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I'll tell you what will bring confidence....a little context. For all the problems we are having after only 18 months in operation, just look at the troubles bitcoin is having: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16016.msg205135.html#msg205135
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My criticisms are well known & Ethereum may soon be a threat too.
But from a positive POV. We are within $5 million of no.4, an amount which can come very quickly.
LiteCoin continues it's general long term downtrend and XRP has lost 70% over the last 4 months.
With BitAssets 3.0 + moonstone and a few other positive developments, BTS could be looking like the best option in the top 10 before long.
If BitAssets 3.0 start gaining adoption which I believe a simple to use, reliable and liquid BitAsset will, the rest could be history.
(In the interim, waiting period, especially with the merger releasing 4 million+ BTS per week, we could still decline a bit.)
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要不是因为合并和增发，也不至于这时候墙倒众人推，自作孽不可活，倒霉的是我们这些看好bts的人。fuck merger，fuck dilution！
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要不是因为合并和增发，也不至于这时候墙倒众人推，自作孽不可活，倒霉的是我们这些看好bts的人。fuck merger，fuck dilution！
Not polite but yes
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要不是因为合并和增发，也不至于这时候墙倒众人推，自作孽不可活，倒霉的是我们这些看好bts的人。fuck merger，fuck dilution！
Why are you guys so shortsighted? It's not "dilution" - it's encouraging development. Would you prefer to have no dilution and no development at all?
If so - no one is stopping you to do a fork and use an old version of BTSX and never expect any improvements.
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It wouid give me confidence if people would contribute to the Moonstone initiative and show their support of open source.
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要不是因为合并和增发，也不至于这时候墙倒众人推，自作孽不可活，倒霉的是我们这些看好bts的人。fuck merger，fuck dilution！
Why are you guys so shortsighted? It's not "dilution" - it's encouraging development. Would you prefer to have no dilution and no development at all?
If so - no one is stopping you to do a fork and use an old version of BTSX and never expect any improvements.
1. BTSX was earning more from fees 6 months ago, than BTS is accessing via dilution today.
2. BitShares developers have seen their BTS equity capitulate in value since the introduction of dilution.
Hopefully soon with a popular client and fees in the $0.02-0.05 range we could have enough to pay a few core developers fairly and attract third parties to develop additional products and services through a revenue sharing programme & I hope eliminate the unpopular and development discouraging dilution altogether.
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First bts should provid some powerful app such as applicable dns, keyhotee and etc, in my personal idea.
Second should get more value for btser with an real powerful function as soon as posssible.
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1) No major course changes anymore. People want stability.
2) Fix bitAssets. Get a version of bitAssets 3.0 that works well and has community agreement. Implement that. Fix any market matching bugs.
3) Get stable client with all the features we wanted in 1.0.
When the market works well again and the client isnt buggy, the valuation should start heading back where it was.
Then all of the stuff that people are working on that is coming will be good news to drive it up in the future.
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When the market works well again and the client isnt buggy, the valuation should start heading back where it was.
Are we sure about that? Given that this downtrend looks exactly like that of any other 2.0 coin, shouldnt we conclude that the vast majority of BTS trading is done on central exchanges, held by users who dont really care about BTS long term. Therefore a polished client isnt going to help that.
We need to bounce back a few times and make people regret dumping their BTS.
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don't check http://coinmarketcap.com/ again for about 1 month at least... 8)
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When the market works well again and the client isnt buggy, the valuation should start heading back where it was.
Are we sure about that? Given that this downtrend looks exactly like that of any other 2.0 coin, shouldnt we conclude that the vast majority of BTS trading is done on central exchanges, held by users who dont really care about BTS long term. Therefore a polished client isnt going to help that.
People sold because the product wasnt working well. We need to make the product work well so this selling cause is removed. Yes, the majority of BTS trading is done on central exchanges. When the BTS product is perceived as not working well, people are just going to sell their BTS.
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OMG
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When we drop under 1500sat this project is finally dead
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When we drop under 1500sat this project is finally dead
is coming soon
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I am still a buyer!
at 1000 satoshi or less!
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When we drop under 1500sat this project is finally dead
What is "dead"?
Price don't kill a coin.
A blockchain that does not produce blocks is a dead coin.
We have a list of people fighting for the honor of producing blocks. Transactinos are still going through every 10 seconds, so the lights are stil on by definition.
Why do I post facts that contradict your fear FUD while I'm still enjoying the cheap shares that you are selling to squeeze the BitUSD shorts?
I'm not in it for the money. Many of us here have alterior motives which is why we are having a difficult time explaining our "free(to think on its own and make its own decisions)DAC" to the rest of the world who is obsessed with making money to survive.
BitShares is not just another "mining coin" where miners leave when it becomes unproofitable to mine. BitShares is a community of people who choose to invest in each other.
I don't always agree with you personally, but if we were in the same room right now I'd be giving you a high five...
I'm going to laugh when the emotional turmoil turns into cries of celebration. All it takes is a spark.
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I've bought 700k BTS this week.
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1500-1600 sat is the support, it was the support this summer before the pump. But at major support levels, the odds are in your favor.
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Some thoughts:
Collaboration, transparency and a real road map. The fastest we found out about what has happened behind the screens the better, we might get a bitter surprise and discover that nothing has happened.
BitShares should be a single project, not a combination of random initiatives by different single teams (web wallet, mobile, new wallet..). Web wallet / javascript is awesome BTW, and we have an UI thanks to the fantastic idea of using angular by what was then a community member. Imagine what the community can achieve if everyone can do even a little task.
Each area could have a backlog and list of tasks where Everyone can participate:
https://trello.com
Have a clear vision of what to achieve in a 2/3 months, where everyone can pick tasks.
An example, if our vision is to create gateways, we could create an opensource gateway, and in our respective countries (good international community) investigate regulation / setup a business. So collaborating does not imply you might not be able to create a business.
Delegates are great, but we should have generic development delegates, marketing delegates, business delegates and from there distribute the bts based on the collaboration. (Trello tasks completed). Delegates can be associated with each Backlog.
If we have all (or something similar) in place, work as an organised open business, we can easily sell and demonstrate BitShares and attract new users / investors.
Not forget Music, Play and Vote need to have regular updates and ideally the same.
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I've bought 700k BTS this week.
I seriously hope you are kidding. Why would you even brag about that? Especially after this huge drop today.
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I've bought 700k BTS this week.
I seriously hope you are kidding. Why would you even brag about that? Especially after this huge drop today.
This dump is so fast that a bounce could come at any time. Who cares if he miss-times it by a few days?
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Don't brag about how much you bought . If I'm a hitter who is hitting the price , I'll hit harder when I see that you still dare to buy .
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It's "funny" but apparently DPOS doesn't even stand for Delegated POS anymore.
Since this whole #altsareback hype it stands for Dynamic POS, used for every new shitcoin for the last couple of weeks.
Be sure to don't miss out on the next one tomorrow Viral produced by the trustworthy Adam Guerbuz.
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It's "funny" but apparently DPOS doesn't even stand for Delegated POS anymore.
Since this whole #altsareback hype it stands for Dynamic POS, used for every new shitcoin for the last couple of weeks.
Be sure to don't miss out on the next one tomorrow Viral produced by the trustworthy Adam Guerbuz.
Explain or link?
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It started with Tron I believe:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1021029.0
This is the Guerbuz one:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1041025.0
There have been several others in the past weeks
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maybe merger and dilution are good for the bts，but if no one trust you and join with you anymore，the coin dead。
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It started with Tron I believe:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1021029.0
This is the Guerbuz one:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1041025.0
There have been several others in the past weeks
From the comments,
#10
I'm starting to think there are coin content generators out there, where you can input some random keywords and it spits out a whole bunch of infographs and text.
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I've bought 700k BTS this week.
I dodged a bullet. I dipped my toe in again with >1m BTS last week when I got excited about BitAssets 3.0 but when I realised how long they would take and because I thought incorrectly Greece would be good for BTC I sold again for a 3-5% loss. Which turned out to be very good move. Phew.
Actually it looks like Greece might have a bank holiday etc. pretty soon, so I would guess for the next week or so you're better off being in Bitcoin.
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I've bought 700k BTS this week.
I dodged a bullet. I dipped my toe in again with >1m BTS last week when I got excited about BitAssets 3.0 but when I realised how long they would take and because I thought incorrectly Greece would be good for BTC I sold again for a 3-5% loss. Which turned out to be very good move. Phew.
Actually it looks like Greece might have a bank holiday etc. pretty soon, so I would guess for the next week or so you're better off being in Bitcoin.
Selling pressure looks to finally be slowing a bit around the 0.02 CNY low. We could really use a million+ BTS buy from you right about now Empirical lol. Think of the children!
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I've bought 700k BTS this week.
I dodged a bullet. I dipped my toe in again with >1m BTS last week when I got excited about BitAssets 3.0 but when I realised how long they would take and because I thought incorrectly Greece would be good for BTC I sold again for a 3-5% loss. Which turned out to be very good move. Phew.
Actually it looks like Greece might have a bank holiday etc. pretty soon, so I would guess for the next week or so you're better off being in Bitcoin.
Selling pressure looks to finally be slowing a bit around the 0.02 CNY low. We could really use a million+ BTS buy from you right about now Empirical lol. Think of the children!
you can't resist the trend ..
I know because my friend put 100K USD single sell order at august last year tried to prevent BTS from rising at only 1/3 of the highest price ... And his order got swallow in minutes ....
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I've bought 700k BTS this week.
I dodged a bullet. I dipped my toe in again with >1m BTS last week when I got excited about BitAssets 3.0 but when I realised how long they would take and because I thought incorrectly Greece would be good for BTC I sold again for a 3-5% loss. Which turned out to be very good move. Phew.
Actually it looks like Greece might have a bank holiday etc. pretty soon, so I would guess for the next week or so you're better off being in Bitcoin.
Selling pressure looks to finally be slowing a bit around the 0.02 CNY low. We could really use a million+ BTS buy from you right about now Empirical lol. Think of the children!
That was actually the second time I dipped my toe in again and ate a loss. The last time I said I would wait for something significant or a clear trend reversal. As tempting as BTS is right now I'll try follow that advice this time and wait even if I miss some of the initial gains on the big news. I'll leave it to better traders than me to call the bottom.
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Other cryptos somehow making some buzz, but bitshares has none, it's like dying coin from non bitshares community.
BitAssets 3.0 and other new features should pre announce so it will spread the news before it release.
We need to integrate bitcoin somehow, so everytime there is pre announcement we can post this to bitcoin related forums so they know what is happening with bitshares and news in bitcoin may write-up about it.
just my +5%
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Other cryptos somehow making some buzz, but bitshares has none, it's like dying coin from non bitshares community.
BitAssets 3.0 and other new features should pre announce so it will spread the news before it release.
We need to integrate bitcoin somehow, so everytime there is pre announcement we can post this to bitcoin related forums so they know what is happening with bitshares and news in bitcoin may write-up about it.
just my +5%
tried that with "the big thing" last year , didn't work . The price started to dropped before the merger even though everybody was excited about the prepaid card plan "good news". In a down trend good news will get swallowed by the trend and bad news will be amplified by the trend .
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Other cryptos somehow making some buzz, but bitshares has none, it's like dying coin from non bitshares community.
BitAssets 3.0 and other new features should pre announce so it will spread the news before it release.
We need to integrate bitcoin somehow, so everytime there is pre announcement we can post this to bitcoin related forums so they know what is happening with bitshares and news in bitcoin may write-up about it.
just my +5%
tried that with "the big thing" last year , didn't work . The price started to dropped before the merger even though everybody was excited about the prepaid card plan "good news". In a down trend good news will get swallowed by the trend and bad news will be amplified by the trend .
It's a third party news, prepaid cards is common in bitcoin, it should be news unique to crypto.
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How to regain confidence?
Bring back BitSharesX.
Remove parasitic AGS+PTS+DNS+VOTE from the supply. Make it deflationary and remove useless delegate inflation that was never supposed to be there. Never ever touch the supply again. The collateral for BitAssets cannot be a penny stock.
Current system is a failure and the price shows it!!!! Admit the mistake and recreate the project or this is doomed to be burned to the ground!
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How to regain confidence?
Bring back BitSharesX.
Remove parasitic AGS+PTS+DNS+VOTE from the supply. Make it deflationary and remove useless delegate inflation that was never supposed to be there. Never ever touch the supply again. The collateral for BitAssets cannot be a penny stock.
Current system is a failure and the price shows it!!!! Admit the mistake and recreate the project or this is doomed to be burned to the ground!
To the ground! It's doomed! Villages will burn! Oh No! No hope!
Maybe not.
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To the ground! It's doomed! Villages will burn! Oh No! No hope!
Maybe not.
;)
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How to regain confidence?
Bring back BitSharesX.
Remove parasitic AGS+PTS+DNS+VOTE from the supply. Make it deflationary and remove useless delegate inflation that was never supposed to be there. Never ever touch the supply again. The collateral for BitAssets cannot be a penny stock.
Current system is a failure and the price shows it!!!! Admit the mistake and recreate the project or this is doomed to be burned to the ground!
I feel dilution was a mistake even cannibalising a successful no dilution DAC and starting with a high CAP it's been unsuccessful at creating more network effect/attracting more users than it took away. MineBitShares does seem to be showing some positive numbers but I'm still not a fan.
It's very hard to close Pandora's box though, (because you set precedent) which is the problem I always had with dilution.
So is this a Christmas Present?
No it's Pandora's Box.
(http://www.homedigestmag.com/custom/domain_1/image_files/6_photo_48.jpg)
There are so many ways to do incredible marketing. Can someone explain the fervent push on all fronts this week to inflate the currencies before ANY marketing campaign AT ALL has launched and the effects thereof can be evaluated?
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Brilliant. I love the idea.
Although just curios about your 500k Bitcoin user estimation.
I have heard 5 Mill. With Coinbase having 1.5 million wallets, Blockchain having over 2 million, I think there would be lots more than that.
The last I saw was 1 million Bitcoin users, extrapolated from MtGox leaked info. But 90% of Bitcoin users are have less than $3500 worth of Bitcoin. The average amount within that 90% group would be a lot less than that. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316297.0
http://www.coinreporting.com/globalstats.php?c=USD#value has 12000 users who actually take the time to track their portfolio. 90% of them have on average less than $600 in Crypto.
Bear in mind they're investors at least. This strategy proposed here is attracting 'spenders' not savers.
Regardless, you won't even get the right demographic anyway imo, with those kind of returns, you will get a network of families, social groups & scammers recycling an initial investment of a few thousand dollars and fleecing us for 100% returns in less than a month.
Of course, imagine for a second that the numbers were right and added up. The real question is the one Coinhoarder nailed.
What is the cost to BTSX of adding inflation.
I'm not sure what I think about this yet, but my immediate thoughts are not good. We need to think about all the possible implications, be 99% sure it will work, and go over all of the dynamics and economics of it. I think a lot of things could possibly go wrong, it will hurt our image in the cryptocurrency community, and as someone else already mentioned it will give the detractors more ammo to unload on us with.
It could make the rest of the Cryptocoin community look poorly on us as if we will print money at will on a whim. If we do it this once, what's to stop it from happening multiple times?
I have been using the fact BTSX is pretty much the only deflationary Cryptocoin in existence as a selling point. If we are printing money that selling point disappears and anyone that has been saying this looks foolish or like a liar.
If it doesn't work as well as intended it could end up being very expensive advertising, along with Oall of the other negative side effects as mentioned above. The new users getting free money could just dump it all on the market and it backfire on us.
Edit: Of course BTSX is a DAC not a crypto-currency but the potential negative impact could still be catastrophic.
If there are any Chinese speakers could you do a poll or start a thread on the Chinese section and get some feeback there.
Pandora's Box... *inflation*.... can come in two forms "unrestricted" and "restricted"...
There are two kinds of restrictions... rate and duration....
Bitcoin has "restricted inflation" at 10% per year that halves ever 4 years... that isn't pandoras box according to crypto community...
Having a similar plan... Inflation of 10% per year that falls to 1% over 10 years as a MAX inflation, then controlled and directed by delegates and thus ultimately the shareholders who are being inflated.
Like I said elsewhere, network effect is everything and competitors are able to copy the code + add dilution + buy network effect.
You claimed this was attracting the *wrong kind of user*.. the "spenders". This is actually not about the "spending" which is something we all do. This is proving to users that they can easily access their savings without spreads... that a dollar in their wallet is a dollar they can spend. Once they see *that* working then they see the YIELD and become savers.
You will not attract savers with any yield if they think it is too hard to get in/out of... if there is "too much setup cost / risk". You are not really giving these people money, you are paying for a test drive and sales pitch.
If you are worried the inflation (capped at 10%) will cause your BTSX to grow slower than it would without the inflation or even fall in value then you have options of buying BitAssets that pay yield.
Serious investors with large stakes must approve of the inflation and these serious investors know that using the term "inflation" is FUD when "dilution" and "capital infusion" are more accurate metaphors. Serious investors don't invest in tech, they invest in people with tech.
Obviously a DAC with dilution and ability to raise capital can be cloned from BTSX or if BTSX adds dilution then one without it can be cloned. In fact, both can exist at the same time and the market can decide. The DAC without dilution can even copy all of the software features paid for by the DAC with dilution and maintain feature parity... as an "investor" having to place bets on which DAC will be more successful and generate a higher real return... now it becomes far complex than simply saying "hey I was diluted by 10%" in one and "hey I gained 1%" in the other... you have to ask yourself how much is your 90% worth vs how much is your 101% worth.
Dilution to pay miners... BAD... Dilution to get early adopters... good! It worked for bitcoin. Think of early Bitcoin CPU mining as dilution to get people to "try the software". How do you "prove" they have tried the software? Well Proof of Work! Proof of Work allowed people to get the coins and USE the coins.... once they realized they had value then it went "viral". The only problem is Proof of Work is no longer a way to convince people to "try it for free". It has become a situation where professionals are stealing all of the "free" samples and the coin holders have no way of turning off the tap....
The majority has already come around now to dilution imo. However if BTSX delivers share drop losses and has messed with the 2 billion BTSX to do it. Then you might be kissing goodbye to a dream you didn't need to kill because in reality there wasn't a competitor on our heels to warrant such excessive measures. I would now say there's a reasonable chance (20%> imo) that BTSX will historically become the vessel that advertised the power of BitAssets for a chain that is more decentralised with a hard capped inflation limit perhaps not linked to BitShares.
At the same time, I really think a good BitAsset can attract the masses regardless of the vehicle given the climate we're entering atm. I'll personally buy if BitAssets 3.0 and moonstone work well regardless of the merger and dilution. Though I feel those should be addressed.
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I feel dilution was a mistake even cannibalising a successful no dilution DAC and starting with a high CAP it's been unsuccessful at creating more network effect/attracting more users than it took away. MineBitShares does seem to be showing some positive numbers but I'm still not a fan.
It's very hard to close Pandora's box though, (because you set precedent) which is the problem I always had with dilution.
At the same time, I really think a good BitAsset can attract the masses regardless of the vehicle given the climate we're entering atm. I'll personally buy if BitAssets 3.0 and moonstone work well regardless of the merger and dilution. Though I feel those should be addressed.
Dude, i wish there was more resistance to the merger at that time.
It's now obvious that the experiment with the merger and dilution is a failure. Anyone who still doubt that just look at the price and don't fool yourself. How much more you have to lose until you realize this is going nowhere?
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I feel dilution was a mistake even cannibalising a successful no dilution DAC and starting with a high CAP it's been unsuccessful at creating more network effect/attracting more users than it took away. MineBitShares does seem to be showing some positive numbers but I'm still not a fan.
It's very hard to close Pandora's box though, (because you set precedent) which is the problem I always had with dilution.
At the same time, I really think a good BitAsset can attract the masses regardless of the vehicle given the climate we're entering atm. I'll personally buy if BitAssets 3.0 and moonstone work well regardless of the merger and dilution. Though I feel those should be addressed.
Dude, i wish there was more resistance to the merger at that time.
It's now obvious that the experiment with the merger and dilution is a failure. Anyone who still doubt that just look at the price and don't fool yourself. How much more you have to lose until you realize this is going nowhere?
It was very hard to be against the merger as it was basically that or VOTE
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,10118.msg132097.html#msg132097
Edit: Though I did try
At this point there is no reason to continue this discussion. If you can't understand the competitive advantages that decentralized fundraising gives us, then you should just sell, because it is not changing back in the short or medium term. It's unfair and almost tyrannical, yes, but it is for the best, and if you've trusted bytemaster before then you should also trust him this last time.
On the bright side, this will most definitely be the very last time a centralized choice about the future of the DAC is ever made. From now on, there will be no authority but stakeholders. Should a majority decide to remove dilution in the future when the market cap is huge, it will happen as soon as they say the word (however by then the massive advantages of dilution will be obvious to everyone).
Also I'm tired of the BS argument that a DAC supposedly needs to be deflationary before it can be profitable. That's just complete BS. Buy low sell high due to mass adoption is infinitely more profitable than tiny, utterly insignificant transaction fees burned by the system in a tiny userbase of true believers that have misunderstood austrian economics. Adoption and thus profit comes from innovation and marketing, not circlejerking about deflation.
Please don't tell people there is no point continuing discussions. These are people going to a lot of effort to try think of ways to improve BTS. He is also a loyal early adopter. He also paid 500 BTSX for this translation. I value what he has to say.
I'm just giving my honest advice. There is no way it will change and for their own sake they should rather sell than cling on and try to change it at this point.
Nothing is inevitable.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x5m1A7zoIcc
Even if it doesn't change, if it doesn't work, I find in general developing talent tends to be weak on behavioural analysis so these kind of discussions help people understand where they might have gone wrong in retrospect and make better decisions for the future.
I think they are working on big things for summer though. I also think an easy to use liquid BitAsset could be successful regardless of the vehicle. Also there is still not a big gap in $ terms between number 4 & 10 on CMC.
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Empirical, what is hilarious about that is, Rune the big supporter of that is gone.
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It was very hard to be against the merger as it was basically that or VOTE
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,10118.msg132097.html#msg132097
VOTE, DNS - are useless things that distract from the real success that was BitSharesX. Now we know that BTSX would have been still more successful than a shitty vote dac that bytemaster was supposed to work for.
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Empirical, what is hilarious about that is, Rune the big supporter of that is gone.
haha, this
i'm starting to think that this was inside job to suck money out of investors, lol
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IMO bear market trend keeps continue until Chinese stock market bubble pops.
It's not a matter of our fault, but a matter about the nature of the hot money.
We have high dependency on China. What we can do now is move our center of gravity from China to all around the world.
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Empirical, what is hilarious about that is, Rune the big supporter of that is gone.
Just hilarious not logical. Rune is Rune, Bitshares are Bitshares, and Ethereum is Ethereum.
It's Rune's personal decision.
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IMO bear market trend keeps continue until Chinese stock market bubble pops.
It's not a matter of our fault, but a matter about the nature of the hot money.
We have high dependency on China. What we can do now is move our center of gravity from China to all around the world.
First step is a fine exchange / gateway that can handle lots of volume .
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要不是因为合并和增发，也不至于这时候墙倒众人推，自作孽不可活，倒霉的是我们这些看好bts的人。fuck merger，fuck dilution！
Why are you guys so shortsighted? It's not "dilution" - it's encouraging development. Would you prefer to have no dilution and no development at all?
If so - no one is stopping you to do a fork and use an old version of BTSX and never expect any improvements.
EXACTLY.
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要不是因为合并和增发，也不至于这时候墙倒众人推，自作孽不可活，倒霉的是我们这些看好bts的人。fuck merger，fuck dilution！
Why are you guys so shortsighted? It's not "dilution" - it's encouraging development. Would you prefer to have no dilution and no development at all?
If so - no one is stopping you to do a fork and use an old version of BTSX and never expect any improvements.
EXACTLY.
It IS dilution. It's useless, because developers are hugely underpaid.
I wish someone could just recreate BTSX and let the market prove that it is a better DAC.
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要不是因为合并和增发，也不至于这时候墙倒众人推，自作孽不可活，倒霉的是我们这些看好bts的人。fuck merger，fuck dilution！
Why are you guys so shortsighted? It's not "dilution" - it's encouraging development. Would you prefer to have no dilution and no development at all?
If so - no one is stopping you to do a fork and use an old version of BTSX and never expect any improvements.
EXACTLY.
BitMeat thought dilution was so good. He sold at 8000 satoshis and let you pay for it :)
I envy the 1280 buyer. He will always be able to say he bought the cheapest BTS ever.
I actually got the cheapest BTS ever right when it went live. at 1251 I think on BTER. then I got out around 8000. Now I had some re-entry points that got hit cost avg 1550 I think. Can't complain.
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要不是因为合并和增发，也不至于这时候墙倒众人推，自作孽不可活，倒霉的是我们这些看好bts的人。fuck merger，fuck dilution！
Why are you guys so shortsighted? It's not "dilution" - it's encouraging development. Would you prefer to have no dilution and no development at all?
If so - no one is stopping you to do a fork and use an old version of BTSX and never expect any improvements.
EXACTLY.
It IS dilution. It's useless, because developers are hugely underpaid.
I wish someone could just recreate BTSX and let the market prove that it is a better DAC.
There is always PTS 2.0.
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要不是因为合并和增发，也不至于这时候墙倒众人推，自作孽不可活，倒霉的是我们这些看好bts的人。fuck merger，fuck dilution！
Why are you guys so shortsighted? It's not "dilution" - it's encouraging development. Would you prefer to have no dilution and no development at all?
If so - no one is stopping you to do a fork and use an old version of BTSX and never expect any improvements.
EXACTLY.
BitMeat thought dilution was so good. He sold at 8000 satoshis and let you pay for it :)
I envy the 1280 buyer. He will always be able to say he bought the cheapest BTS ever.
I actually got the cheapest BTS ever right when it went live. at 1251 I think on BTER. then I got out around 8000. Now I had some re-entry points that got hit cost avg 1550 I think. Can't complain.
hahahaha.good find.
"bitshares is good.merge is good.and i will sell to you.."-bitmeat
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hahahaha.good find.
"bitshares is good.merge is good.and i will sell to you.."-bitmeat
I got out at 2500 and 4000 too not just 8000, and mostly because I wanted to get into things like Ethereum, StorJ, etc. Recently I got in at 4000 and 3000, I'm a small fish compared to the volume you see, at this point I'd rather let it die than sell. But whatever.
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I have a feeling. Many communities use the dicentralised tech to do centralised service. There are some team outside the crypo world doing decentralised service use centralised tech.