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Title: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 20, 2015, 06:56:38 am
Hello everyone,

If you don't already know me, I run hangouts and organize activities through the community mumble server found here:  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4203.0

I have been running these and doing community-organizing activities since near launch of "ProtoShares", which then became what we know today as BitShares PTS (or just PTS, depending on the community members you ask).  My main focus has been to organize and moderate town-hall styled discussions between the community and Developers who sharedrop on BTS/PTS/AGS stakeholders. 

I have and continue to do this for 3 reasons:

1) Current CryptoCentric Media outlets provide a valuable service, but do not give voice to all investors in a project.  This incentive structure can create potential for media to become more like propaganda.  Town-Hall styled hangouts give voice to community members, large investors and even competitors who might show up to ask difficult questions that must be asked to ensure community investors are protected with the most up-to-date knowledge possible on a project. 

2) These hangouts help to provide further incentive for what I believe is one of the most undervalued aspects of the BitShares ecosystem--Our Community.  Having these townhall-styled hangouts gives a strong incentive for project developers who want to stand out among our community of Savvy investors to ShareDrop a portion of their total Share supply on the holders of BitShares.  This not only potentially enriches and diversifies our entire community's investments, but also creates a dynamic that broadens the risk spectrum for investing in cryptocurrencies and DACs...opening up options that give community members exposure to new chains without being forced to risk investing their valuable BTS into unproven competitors.

3)  As creative commons licensed works, our Hangouts provide many hours of total content that is made available for anyone to use as marketing and educational content.

We have also started the initiative of holding these hangouts for delegate candidates hoping to be hired by the blockchain.  This ensures that on all levels of the BitShares ecosystem, it is the stakeholders of the system are given the power to decide how it will evolve and grow. 

It is my hope that a 100% paid delegate will enable me to further broaden the scope of hangouts to cover far more sharedropping DACs than the current BTS and PLAY DACs.  It is also my intent to use a portion of these funds to have all hangouts and content provided from them to be edited and made ready for sharing to the liberty and crypto-loving demographics.  Eventually, this funding will help me to setup large Virtual Conferences for the BitShares community(ies) with many DEVs in a way that will also have the advantage of freeing potential attendees from the limitations of geographical constraints. 

I hope you will consider voting fuzzy.beyondbitcoin into the top 101 delegates so I can continue building what I started in a way that helps Beyond Bitcoin grow with the community and the "Powered by BitShares" movement as a whole.  Thank you for your time!

P.S. I also intend on running a Legal Delegate soon to help pay toward a growing, decentralized "legal department" for our Company...so look out for it!
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: roadscape on January 20, 2015, 07:09:02 am
It's about time you got your act together and got a bid going :D

Fuzz is irreplaceable! Vote! (http://bitsharesblocks.com/delegates/delegate?name=fuzzy.beyondbitcoin)
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: xeroc on January 20, 2015, 08:37:00 am
It's about time you got your act together and got a bid going :D

Fuzz is irreplaceable! Vote! (http://bitsharesblocks.com/delegates/delegate?name=fuzzy.beyondbitcoin)
+5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5%
 +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5% +5%
fuzzy -> xeroc's slate  ;D
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: cass on January 20, 2015, 09:40:09 am
you'll get my vote for sure!  :-*
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: cube on January 20, 2015, 10:59:39 am
Through your dedicated work, we are already seeing some conferences with audience spanning different geographical locations.  I look forward to more of such rich interactions via your mumble sessions.  Vote for fuzzy  ++++  +5%
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: vegolino on January 20, 2015, 12:12:24 pm
Good luck fuzzy
Voted  :)
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: ticklebiscuit on January 20, 2015, 12:48:15 pm
Id vot for you too, but if you remember you're storing my xmas funds for me so you need to vote for yourself.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: mf-tzo on January 20, 2015, 12:56:34 pm
nothing to think about here.. +5% +5%

Maybe consider a change in the delegate name as "ambassador.fuzzy.delegate"
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: triox on January 20, 2015, 12:57:03 pm
Fuzzy, you're shaping up to become a lynchpin of the Bitshares community: an indispensable artist that completes the community and brings it together.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: sumantso on January 20, 2015, 12:58:31 pm
Finally fuzzy gets a delegate :)

Do you plan to set some amount aside to pay for a couple of members whose job is to vet the delegates and communicate to the community in a concise manner? We need this service.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: edilliam on January 20, 2015, 01:08:31 pm
Fuzz has been doing an outstanding job month after month whilst never asking for anything in return until now. He is a massive asset to the BitShares community and one of the glues that holds us all together. It is my opinion that any DAC that has him as delegate will benefit hugely from the dedication and passion that he always brings.

Good luck with the campaign Fuzz  :D
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: wackou on January 20, 2015, 01:18:13 pm
 +5% +5% voted and adding you to my slate, too!
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: jamesc on January 20, 2015, 01:19:20 pm
+5%
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Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 20, 2015, 03:35:50 pm
Holy Crap.  So much support should have me speechless.  But we all know I am one who always has an opinion. 

I'm going to be honest.  I do my best, but do often question my own value to this project (until I see all these positive comments, which serve as metrics for me to recognize that I do bring value).  The reason I have stuck with it for so long and supported it with such passion is because I have had a very difficult time since joining the military to "fight for freedom"...and learning when afterwards that I was actually doing the complete opposite.  There was a time when I felt so small that I thought I could never have an impact in this world and that our problems were insurmountable.  Watching the NDAA written into history with the stroke of a Tyrant's Pen on New Years Eve of 2011 sealed the deal.  It was probably the saddest day of my life to see Habeas Corpus denied in the "Land of the Free".  But BitShares, its devs and community have been a bright spot in my life.  When I look at my baby I think that maybe, just maybe I'm helping build a better world for him.

It has been this community and Bytemaster's Vision that has given me hope when nothing else did.  So I simply can't see myself living without helping it grow big enough and strong enough to rebuild the old paradigm and spur a Revolution.  I'm not talking about a violent revolution (the one the "elites" are wanting to incite so they have an excuse to roll out the Police State they've been building), but a Revolution of the mind and the heart.  In fact, I would like to see the community hold a stake in 100's and maybe even 1000's of DACs "Powered by Bitshares" so when the inevitable politics of any one system change to such a degree that users wish to leave, that they have another place that might be more philosophically aligned with their goals--and based on the best damned suite of crypto-protocols available.  Thank you for always supporting this project and most of all thank yourselves for recognizing YOUR value.  Simply showing up and giving one's opinion can change the entire course of history at this point (and I am not over-doing it with this statement). 

Now that I'm done being my usual crazy, sappy self... there was a question. 

Finally fuzzy gets a delegate :)

Do you plan to set some amount aside to pay for a couple of members whose job is to vet the delegates and communicate to the community in a concise manner? We need this service.
   

I would love to do this, but to be honest I am trying to set it up so we hold community-based delegate hangouts that eventually grow to be the size of Bytemaster's hangouts.  True to form, I would like these to be community-driven where I moderate, ask a list of initial questions and then open it up for the community to do their own "interview" of the candidate.

From there, I would personally like to see Max Wright of BitSharesTV (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChtICzF0ZEhhgoMA8YWhULw) then interview those who actually get hired on BitSharesTV, and push both the content and inform people that to be hired by the blockchain it is the community who decides---and if they pass the gauntlet, they will be offered a slot to chat on BitSharesTV.  Of course, it would be great if he then told people about our community hangouts with both the Developers and the Delegates and direct them to the content we create. 

I will be running a 100% paid delegate and will likely only receive 20-30% pay from it myself.  As stated before, I intend on hiring those who currently volunteer to edit our hangouts, and expect them to provide a far more polished version of the Raw formatted ones.  At present they will likely be paid 20% each for editing which brings us to 60-70% of the 100% already used...because this frees up more time for me to schedule and run more hangouts.  The other 30%-40% will be split up between the tech guru who is helping me and teaching me the best practices of running a delegate (my father), who I will be paying 10% to ensure this is a "backbone" delegate like Riverhead's--with redundancy built into it. 

This brings me to 20-30%.  With this remaining amount, I would like to pay a member of the chinese community who has always attended our hangouts and never asked anything in return for translating to the Chinese members of our community: BTSWildPig (or if he doesn't want to, another Chinese Community Volunteer).  Then I have to also account for taxes.  So as you can see my personal pay rate will be substantially lower than the 100% I am asking, but that is only so I can help grow what we are building.

Of course, as we grow and as those editors "hired" by this delegate prove themselves, it may be possible (as long as the community agrees) to let them run their own delegate(s) and hire even more editors...which would free up more funds for me to hire more moderators for hangouts with different Devs/Delegates for even more chains.  Eventually we could have an entire media network that supports 100's (and potentially even 1000's) of "altchains" that sharedrop on us.  And Max could get those who rise to the top and do what he does best---personal one-on-one video interviews. 

I want this delegate to help expand and grow our community...and most importantly help to empower all of you.  Does this all make sense?
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: graffenwalder on January 20, 2015, 04:17:58 pm
 +5% voted
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on January 20, 2015, 05:53:07 pm
 +5%  Good job!
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: callmeluc on January 20, 2015, 06:08:49 pm
I’ll solicit votes in China for you.

You and wildpig, you two built a bridge of communication for this community. that means a lot.

 +5% +5% +5%
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: emailtooaj on January 20, 2015, 06:31:24 pm
 +5% +5% I've already voted!!

I hope to see a full community effort to vote your delegate in Fuzzy!

What you've done with Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts for the BitShares community can't be praised enough. I sincerely hope this delegate takes the format you've created up to the next level, while also personally helping you out for all your past/future Dedication, Blood, Sweat and Tears!
 ;D
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: hpenvy2 on January 20, 2015, 08:04:57 pm
I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: Empirical1.1 on January 20, 2015, 08:38:41 pm

What you've done with Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts for the BitShares community can't be praised enough. I sincerely hope this delegate takes the format you've created up to the next level, while also personally helping you out for all your past/future Dedication, Blood, Sweat and Tears!
 ;D

 +5%
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 20, 2015, 08:48:16 pm
+5% +5% I've already voted!!

I hope to see a full community effort to vote your delegate in Fuzzy!

What you've done with Beyond Bitcoin Hangouts for the BitShares community can't be praised enough. I sincerely hope this delegate takes the format you've created up to the next level, while also personally helping you out for all your past/future Dedication, Blood, Sweat and Tears!
 ;D

Oh aj I only shed tears over the baby seals harmed in the setting up of our community server infrastructure.  8)
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: eagleeye on January 20, 2015, 11:46:40 pm
 +5%
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: donkeypong on January 20, 2015, 11:50:15 pm
About time!
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: CLains on January 21, 2015, 12:05:31 am
+5% +5%  +5%

:-*
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: onceuponatime on January 21, 2015, 12:12:40 am
Voted   +5%
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: zerosum on January 21, 2015, 01:11:21 am
 +5%

Finally!  It was about time fuzz...
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: lovejoy on January 21, 2015, 01:45:08 am
 +5% +5% +5%

You rock fuzzy.  you can count on my support!

 8)
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: Xeldal on January 21, 2015, 01:49:36 am
 +5% Good work Fuzzy.  Glad to see it!  Voting.  +5%
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: CryptoPrometheus on January 21, 2015, 01:57:58 am
Fuzzy you are irreplaceable.
U have all my votes  8)
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: liondani on January 21, 2015, 02:12:24 am
Now I know why we are up +11% on CMC   :D
http://coinmarketcap.com/
definitely a buy signal !!!

 +5% +5% +5% +5 +5%
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: mira on January 21, 2015, 03:36:30 am
 Absolutely!  Fuzzy, the invaluable asset!   +5%
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 21, 2015, 09:58:33 am
Thanks again for the support everyone.

I have 37 million votes already and its been less than 24 hours.  Gives me a good fuzzy feeling :)
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: Gentso1 on January 21, 2015, 04:54:33 pm
Your delegate is long over due.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 21, 2015, 09:37:52 pm
Your delegate is long over due.

Thanks Gentso and everyone else. Please dont forget to vote!  I need approximately 160,145,000 more votes to get into 101, thus beating out fire.and.blood.dragon (http://bitsharesblocks.com/delegates/delegate?name=fire.and.blood.dragon).  So please consider making sure you vote if you support this effort guys and gals.  And remember, I will be doing what I currently do, only ramped up....for approximately only 20-30% of the total pay in hopes of improving everyone's stake in all future projects. 

If you are a shareholder with a large amount of BTS, my having a delegate that gives me capital to work with benefits you and everyone else in the community!
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: cass on January 22, 2015, 01:10:27 am
voted
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: Tuck Fheman on January 22, 2015, 02:00:39 am
voted
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 22, 2015, 05:34:02 am
voted

voted

Thank you to both of you.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: BTSdac on January 23, 2015, 04:08:25 am
I would vote you ,but I have a question ,
why you using BTS delegate pay to support 3rd part DAC that tend to share drop to bts , what they can bring to BTS?
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: gamey on January 23, 2015, 04:26:48 am
I would vote you ,but I have a question ,
why you using BTS delegate pay to support 3rd part DAC that tend to share drop to bts , what they can bring to BTS?

Where did he say he was using the BTS pay to support a 3rd party DAC?
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 23, 2015, 08:14:19 am
I would vote you ,but I have a question ,
why you using BTS delegate pay to support 3rd part DAC that tend to share drop to bts , what they can bring to BTS?

Where did he say he was using the BTS pay to support a 3rd party DAC?

In essence I am.  I am (helping) support my own work with this delegate (with $250-300/month) and also planning to pay gamey the funds back that I now owe him after finding out it was him paying out of pocket for the beyond bitcoin soundcloud and not the original funds.  And I will be holding hangouts for competing chains based on the % they sharedrop on shareholders.

So let's get into this a little bit.  This is an important question and I think it is important to answer it, as always, honestly. 

The Question really comes down to if you just want to have a huge BTS exchange that is someday worth 300+ billion dollars...or if you want to have that very same stake in addition to 10, 20, 30...even 40% of your original stake in other competitors that clone BitShares' Toolkit to build other 100+ billion dollar crypto-industries.  It doesn't really matter what any of us here think, though, because the trend is already happening. 

For instance.  Let's look at NXT.  NXT already has Horizon (HZ) and NEM growing from its original code.  From that they will get some competition, but that only means that the competition will breed high quality code being written and systems being built that will be easily "stolen" by any of those competing exchanges.  This means that an innovation on one Chain is quite literally pennies on the dollar for all others like it to include.  Not only that, but the more NXT versions pop up and compete against one another, the more likely that new ones will continue to be born and compete in that ecosystem.  Can you see how, as cryptocurrency becomes more widely adopted and there is a larger influx of money into the system, this might cause a problem for a single Flagship DAC sailing alone against an Armada of ships that can at the drop of a hat retool themselves to gain the advantages of superior engineering of eachother.  What's more...did any of NXT's competing chains sharedrop on original holders?  or you? Nope...and why would they?  It isn't like there is a community-driven effort to incentivize it.  In fact, many in NXT's community have been so against competitors that they unintentionally fractured their community...sending old NXT investors to become whales in the new chains.

Counterparty is also doing this...with DogeParty and VertParty.  And it wont end there....

This isn't a war between DACs...this is a War between protocols and protocol suites.  So the question is: Do you want BitShares to be a Gold-Standard Crypto-protocol or just one powerful DAC?  And if you are of the belief that BitShares becomming that single huge DAC will make others take notice and try to clone it, you are probably right.  But then you have to ask yourself..."What reason would they have to want to sharedrop on us with their tokens?" 

This is open source software so it isn't like anyone is forced to Sharedrop on us.  The only reason for them to sharedrop on us is because they get something really appealing in return.  If BitShares becomes a community of Maximalists who are only going to dump the sharedropped shares of competitors just to buy more bitshares, then they are never going to give you a stake in their project.  Altchains are 1) places of potentially FREE innovation to BTS, 2) diversifying investments in DPOS-based (and maybe even other types) technology, 3) free marketing for the bitshares toolkit---which just so happens to push the BitShares brand.  I am confused by this idea that we cannot support more than one chain as a community.  In fact, that is what I thought drew most of the original founders in the first place. 

This is actually precisely why I also support MUSIC/PLAY/PTS/AGS (and intend to run delegates on MUSIC/PLAY/PTS).  Because if the BitShares holders decide that they are going to turn into the Maximalist Bitcoin Community, then I want to support the chain that will be open-minded about new technological innovations that may be valuable assets in my quest to help DPOS become a crypto Gold Standard in which we early investors hold a substantial stake. 

Sure, I could run this delegate and end up not getting paid by the blockchain, but that would also mean I am even more limited in what I am able to do, the quality of the content will suffer and I will eventually have to recognize that my power over the future of BitShares is actually far greater and getting a job paying 40k-50k a year and simply buying BitShares and all the chains that sharedrop on me (if there are any).  It also might mean that eventually I would have to rethink my strategy and consider opening up payments in some other way.  It also means that rather than consider helping those holding BTS by working with anyone who sharedrops on its holders, that I would have to recognize that my idealistic attitude to help community before self is actually misplaced.  This would open up the door to me either "getting a real job" or having to  cover the competitors that pay me directly (and would actually probably end up being far better off for me in the end). 

So with that said, at present I am not a big shareholder.  I have 50,000BTS (more likely 46,000 now) locked away as bitUSD that I cannot liquidate due to a wallet malfunction (that I am still going to have to try to fix).  I have 150,000BTS that go to parents.  I have 50,000 that go to my little brother.  And after that I probably have about 200,000-250,000BTS of my own (58,000 of which will be soon going to pay for a legal delegate that I HOPE gets voted in).  So this sharedropping thing is not directly helping me that much actually.  In fact, if you hold a substantial sum of shares, all you have to do is sit back and watch me help diversify your portfolio, build our community and focus on adding value to the ecosystem...while paying out of pocket for a server and soon a soundcloud to do so.  This is on top of shouldering the opportunity cost of doing what I have been doing almost since the launch of BitShares at little benefit to myself. 

In this ecosystem...those who hold the funds hold the power.  This is the only good free-market solution I can think of. If the people who have and will continue to sacrifice for this project are not the perfect candidates to give large stake to, who is?  And truth be told, I will be using the majority of the funds to pay other community members for helping edit the content we produce in both Dev and Delegate hangouts (with an obvious primary focus on BTS).  So as I see it, why Wouldn't you vote for me?  Is there someone else who would have done what I have and would continue to do?  If so, they are few and far between---and I recommend you all take care of them because without them you lose network effect.  And that will kill this chain, our prospects for the future, and your investment(s). 
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: ronpaulmoneyman on January 23, 2015, 08:57:46 am

That person asked about the money.

It isn't about spending the money to support others.

It is whether the inflation funds should pay for every bit of your free time or force you to be in some exclusive contract. A real greedy asshole might say "Well Fuzzy if you aren't spending all your time on BTS then you deserve nothing from the blockchain. It doesn't matter all the time you have selflessly donated!" Just ignore them. Those are the types of people that have chased me off from wanting to have the RPM community on this board and went with the PTS board instead. Long live PTS!

While the core developers never display this attitude there is a very vocal minority on here that does. I deeply hope you are not too swayed by them. Luckily it appears you have what it takes to rise above that stupid bullshit and realize that realistically none of these other chains are a direct threat to BitShares.  Pushing PTS off has done nothing but result in a bit of brain drain as PC and Cube both seem to be very competent.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: BTSdac on January 23, 2015, 09:43:51 am

That person asked about the money.

It isn't about spending the money to support others.

It is whether the inflation funds should pay for every bit of your free time or force you to be in some exclusive contract. A real greedy asshole might say "Well Fuzzy if you aren't spending all your time on BTS then you deserve nothing from the blockchain. It doesn't matter all the time you have selflessly donated!" Just ignore them. Those are the types of people that have chased me off from wanting to have the RPM community on this board and went with the PTS board instead. Long live PTS!

While the core developers never display this attitude there is a very vocal minority on here that does. I deeply hope you are not too swayed by them. Luckily it appears you have what it takes to rise above that stupid bullshit and realize that realistically none of these other chains are a direct threat to BitShares.  Pushing PTS off has done nothing but result in a bit of brain drain as PC and Cube both seem to be very competent.
After DNS is merged by Super DAC, I only have 1 M DNS, but I consider many people lost because of price of DNS drop , I donation any all 1 M DNS  just for support other people.
we should support other people but it is must reasonable.
I don`t understand what really bring to BTS by airdrop.  MMC airdrop to PTS, LTS airdrop to PTS, you can see the price of MMC and LTS now , actually lost about 4000 bitusd in investing MMC, I know it is marketing  except BTS/PTS and an other coin , mmc is the only coin bought. maybe a new dac would bring really value. but most of DAC is nothing.

Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 23, 2015, 12:35:29 pm
After DNS is merged by Super DAC, I only have 1 M DNS, but I consider many people lost because of price of DNS drop , I donation any all 1 M DNS  just for support other people.
we should support other people but it is must reasonable.
I honestly think it might have been a better idea to secretly work to put all the DACs together at some point AFTER they all were in the top 20 chains on coinmarketcap.  Price discovery on each individual DAC was not allowed to occur before they were all "merged".  If done in this way (maybe not possible from an engineering standpoint, though) I think the merger would have actually transferred most if not all that value to BitShares' as a SuperDAC. 
As for reasonably supporting other people...we support ourselves by building into the BitShares Ecosystem a precedent for sharedropping on the chains in our system. 
Why?  Because no other competitor does this.  Once people realize that they can simply invest in a group of tokens and have a chance at getting new shares given to them freely in the future, they will become interested in joining this ecosystem over others.  My hope is that these hangouts will become a way for developers to teach people about their innovations and thus increase the "Savviness" of these "DAC-Savvy Investors". 

I don`t understand what really bring to BTS by airdrop.  MMC airdrop to PTS, LTS airdrop to PTS, you can see the price of MMC and LTS now , actually lost about 4000 bitusd in investing MMC, I know it is marketing  except BTS/PTS and an other coin , mmc is the only coin bought. maybe a new dac would bring really value. but most of DAC is nothing.

MMC was a crap coin.  LTS was a crap coin and a crap technology.  Freetrade (sorry man) refused to connect with the community and never joined our hangouts.  It was at the time he turned me down in my offer to run hangouts for him that I decided not to invest in those projects.  And it wasn't because it hurt me in any way...It was because I knew the community would never be able to build up around him and give him their input, or receive education from him on his own philosophy and how he saw things working out for those projects.  Without that connection, it was hard to feel comfortable investing in yet another "alt".

On top of that, they were not based off of the toolkit and slightly changed to provide different functionalities.  They were kind of crappy coins from the old world of crypto.  MMC had some interesting stuff going for it, but with some of the politics that occurred behind the scenes with someone apparently buying up a huge amount of MMC and placing himself in the head position over MMC, and no willingness to act transparently, I could not invest in it despite the sharedrop. 
I have to explain something here that I have not made clear. 

I want to help devs who are legitimately trying to enrich all BTS/PTS/AGS/PLAY/MUSIC/etc... holders.  Each of those demographics offer a reason to sharedrop that is different from the rest.  If one of these demographics seems to be going in a direction I cannot promote--sharedrop or not, I will not hold hangouts for them.  That doesn't mean other's can't take my place, try to run a delegate on that chain and run hangouts.  I would like to see them do so.  They can even use the server free of charge.

If people do not have the same vision as I do, I do not expect them to vote for me.  But I will definitely say that sometime in the future (I do not know when), there might be a chain with other legitimate devs who are also trustworthy and open like ByteMaster who might gain my respect and in that case, if they sharedrop on all of you (and to a small degree myself as well) I would be interested in serving both you and them by organizing and running hangouts for them. 
I know these communities will not always operate in Unity, but I plan on finding my home where I feel I can best help the world in my own way.  So if getting a paid delegate position on this chain isn't in the cards, then at least I know.  If it isn't, I have no doubt there are other chains that will prove interesting to me and keep the flame that burns inside me burning bright. 

I fall more in line with this way of thinking:
"Adam Smith said, the best result comes from everyone in the group doing what's best for themselves right? That's what he said.
Incomplete. Incomplete. Because the best result would come, from everyone in the group doing what is best for himself--and the group."

(http://i.imgur.com/I7bRSyT.png) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d_dtTZQyUM)
Because "That's the only possible way we can all get laid..."


I guess all I can say is that I thank you for being honest....and I fully expect you to act only in accordance with your own opinions... and be willing to change those opinions if ever new information comes to light that changes your perspective.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: Empirical1.1 on January 23, 2015, 02:06:53 pm
I don't mind supporting other DPOS blockchains as there's also a psychological battle of the blockchains occurring.

POW is looking extremely lonely in the top 10 despite dominating up till a year ago. As a result Bitcoin looks weak and vulnerable and this will manifest itself over the following year.

The more strong DPOS blockchains we have the stronger BitShares looks as the dominant DAC on the dominant blockchain. (Having said that I would push to cannibalise anything useful from any competitor.)

My only reservation with beyondbitcoin is that my impression is the viewership numbers are quite low. It's an essential service that should be funded but I would be reluctant to spend too much money on it, (as the value of a 100% position grows) if it wasn't popular in the sense it was generating reasonable interest & views from outsiders and new/potential BTS holders after a period of time.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: btswildpig on January 23, 2015, 02:18:13 pm
I don't mind supporting other DPOS blockchains as there's also a psychological battle of the blockchains occurring.

POW is looking extremely lonely in the top 10 despite dominating up till a year ago. As a result Bitcoin looks weak and vulnerable and this will manifest itself over the following year.

The more strong DPOS blockchains we have the stronger BitShares looks as the dominant DAC on the dominant blockchain. (Having said that I would push to cannibalise anything useful from any competitor.)

My only reservation with beyondbitcoin is that my impression is the viewership numbers are quite low. It's an essential service that should be funded but I would be reluctant to spend too much money on it, (as the value of a 100% position grows) if it wasn't popular in the sense it was generating reasonable interest & views from outsiders and new/potential BTS holders after a period of time.


I would love to see beyondbitcoin become a marketing department instead of just a place for insiders to hang out in it .

Mumble is just the form , fuzz is the core of beyondbitcoin . Fuzz can do a great job even without mumble . He'll just have to find the place where he can light the fire up .

For nearly a year we only use beyondbitcoin to know "what's going on" with the project , rarely use it as a place for marketing purpose . (by marketing , I mean to outsiders , not just us insiders to hangout . Insides can't add much more economic value to the system any more ) .

I think we should find a way to satisfy everyone to hook fuzz up to a brighter beyondbitcoin .

Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 23, 2015, 02:31:44 pm
I don't mind supporting other DPOS blockchains as there's also a psychological battle of the blockchains occurring.

POW is looking extremely lonely in the top 10 despite dominating up till a year ago. As a result Bitcoin looks weak and vulnerable and this will manifest itself over the following year.

The more strong DPOS blockchains we have the stronger BitShares looks as the dominant DAC on the dominant blockchain. (Having said that I would push to cannibalise anything useful from any competitor.)

My only reservation with beyondbitcoin is that my impression is the viewership numbers are quite low. It's an essential service that should be funded but I would be reluctant to spend too much money on it, (as the value of a 100% position grows) if it wasn't popular in the sense it was generating reasonable interest & views from outsiders and new/potential BTS holders after a period of time.

This is largely where I feel I have a problem.  You see, we have offered this for a year+ with raw content and I have openly called out to the community to take that content and monetize it for themselves.  Noone has done so.  People have attended, but no investor chose to add onto this save perhaps Gamey to the limited amount of capacity he had had at the time.   This is also where things like RgCrypto's talk about Affiliate networks come in. 

We have all this content, but up until just recently no one to professionally edit it.  Emailtooaj has since stepped up to help on this front and has done it free of charge.  If you want higher quality content, step up and help or help pay others who are willing to work on it.  Contribute.

It seems we lack a level of coordination that is necessary to uplift all of us.  We should be utilizing our resources and coordinating efforts to build a common "toolkit" for use by all community members. We should be helping each other build informational social media sites and we should be sharing each other's content on all those networks. 

If I had reached out beyond the bitshares community to do these hangouts I would have been far more likely to build a team to help me in this...but I believe in DPOS over all other technologies for its ability to free markets and give power to the people, so I stayed here and focused my efforts here.  If viewership is low, ask yourself how you can help.  Ask yourself..."have I shared this content to the outside world?"  (you don't have to answer on this forum). 

I have said it before many times and I will say it again now.  Bytemaster once gave me a piece of advice that I will never forget.  When I was questioning myself...he said, simply, "Act".  The more I have learned in this journey the more I realize what he meant....He meant do what you can and know that it is far better than doing nothing. 

Right now is your chance to do something.  You can help in various ways, or you can vote for a delegate so I can pay others to help.  Or, of course, you can recognize that Beyond Bitcoin is a movement and not a person or a "media empire" and join it.  The choice is all our own.  I have made mine, now that ball is in all your court. 

Of course, if Beyond Bitcoin isn't your ball of wax, join Nullstreet and help one of those guys.  Or help Max Wright who is working on his own funds right now in hopes of bringing the marketcap to 160,000,000 before he gets paid a dime.  There are literally so many places we can all help and there are still so many delegate positions available...that there is no reason we shouldn't all be jumping at the ability to fund ourselves and potentially even reach out beyond bitshares to hire people doing valuable work for other networks and getting nothing in return.  This fear over paying me 1200 bucks a month...or even 5000 doesn't make any sense to me.  Have people stopped to think that maybe the reason we don't have much viewership is a significant lack of funding?
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 23, 2015, 02:40:55 pm
I don't mind supporting other DPOS blockchains as there's also a psychological battle of the blockchains occurring.

POW is looking extremely lonely in the top 10 despite dominating up till a year ago. As a result Bitcoin looks weak and vulnerable and this will manifest itself over the following year.

The more strong DPOS blockchains we have the stronger BitShares looks as the dominant DAC on the dominant blockchain. (Having said that I would push to cannibalise anything useful from any competitor.)

My only reservation with beyondbitcoin is that my impression is the viewership numbers are quite low. It's an essential service that should be funded but I would be reluctant to spend too much money on it, (as the value of a 100% position grows) if it wasn't popular in the sense it was generating reasonable interest & views from outsiders and new/potential BTS holders after a period of time.


I would love to see beyondbitcoin become a marketing department instead of just a place for insiders to hang out in it .

Mumble is just the form , fuzz is the core of beyondbitcoin . Fuzz can do a great job even without mumble . He'll just have to find the place where he can light the fire up .

For nearly a year we only use beyondbitcoin to know "what's going on" with the project , rarely use it as a place for marketing purpose . (by marketing , I mean to outsiders , not just us insiders to hangout . Insides can't add much more economic value to the system any more ) .

I think we should find a way to satisfy everyone to hook fuzz up to a brighter beyondbitcoin .

This^ 

With a couple vital exceptions.  I am not the core of Beyond Bitcoin.  ALL OF YOU are.  I had a vision of DPOS and its variations becoming new chains that build new industries and fix old ones...from the protocol level.  If you look back through all the threads on this forum you will never see me saying others cannot be a part of it.  In fact I have told others to be a part of it. 

Trust me I would love to see 10-20 volunteers all working on things like this and using the tools I have provided and the time Bytemaster has provided.  In fact, if that were to happen I would be able to accept any of the jobs that have come my way over the past year that would have easily paid me more than a delegate would have at twice this current marketcap...and still help.  It would be great to see.  I just haven't seen it (yet). 

Beyond Bitcoin is a decentralized movement...not a cenralized media empire.   
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: lovejoy on January 25, 2015, 01:25:08 am
I couldn't agree with you more fuzzy!  I so appreciate your voice and couldn't imagine taking this journey without you.

We can coordinate with one another.  It wasn't so long ago in the BitShares collective consciousness that the impetus for widespread collaboration even emerged! through the >3% delegate coming into existence we have a much needed capacity to grow stronger as a working team, as we emerge into the 'wild', as it were, of this new frontier we are moving into. 

It takes a long time to turn a ship, and that only requires one person and a solid rudder. (hydraulics are useful too sometimes!)  This crew has made a few epic course corrections since a glimmer in the eye became a nugget of gold, forged in the hearts and minds of the intrepid i3.  As Bytemaster alluded to in the last mumble session, small is agile, big is mighty, but slow.

*What?  Stan gets rocket metaphors, so I call ships.. ;)

You're right.  You have always selflessly offered up Beyond Bitcoin to community involvement, and I sense you've had a lot of time to think about the untold many means of organization between the 'nodes' of this net we are weaving through our very existence and participation.

Honestly what impressed me most about this community before I was really 'all in', was its ability to adapt to changing circumstances and new reckonings on the fly.  We have a tremendous capacity in this regard and I think the ship (or fleet of ships) are arriving at a really ideal heading for the waters we travel.  A talented, and somewhat motley crew (my favorite kind) is coming together in a really organic and beautiful fashion.  This can sometimes be painful but also yield some amazing results!

From what I can tell of you so far fuzz, you're a rather humble soul, and humble as you are --- we will be your mirror, to let you know you have been a massive force in holding space for this community, in which many have gathered.
Sometimes people just take space for granted, while remaining fixated on the objects within.  Keep advancing the torch!  There was just some trouble about being too far ahead of your time, but the rest of us are catching up.  Imagine what BM goes through.

I support your delegate, and I'll offer help with video production once we are up and running on that front here!

I see us building an open-source diaspora-like social web for delegates to communicate and coordinate their actions so as to tap into the synergy inherent the 'edges' of our crew.  I know you took a crack at this one already!  We are evolving, and soon we shall emerge as a coherent entity with a force not seen in a long long while.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: eagleeye on January 25, 2015, 07:27:14 am
I support Fuzzy.

I think we just need to get the translation of beyond bitcoin mumble hangouts out to being content on news/informational/bitshares.org type websites and mumble is our key for that.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: ebit on January 25, 2015, 07:43:52 am
Bitshares are experiencing "based on shareholders " to "based on employees" to "based on users" transformation.
Hold on.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 26, 2015, 11:07:06 am
I couldn't agree with you more fuzzy!  I so appreciate your voice and couldn't imagine taking this journey without you.

We can coordinate with one another.  It wasn't so long ago in the BitShares collective consciousness that the impetus for widespread collaboration even emerged! through the >3% delegate coming into existence we have a much needed capacity to grow stronger as a working team, as we emerge into the 'wild', as it were, of this new frontier we are moving into. 

It takes a long time to turn a ship, and that only requires one person and a solid rudder. (hydraulics are useful too sometimes!)  This crew has made a few epic course corrections since a glimmer in the eye became a nugget of gold, forged in the hearts and minds of the intrepid i3.  As Bytemaster alluded to in the last mumble session, small is agile, big is mighty, but slow.

*What?  Stan gets rocket metaphors, so I call ships.. ;)

You're right.  You have always selflessly offered up Beyond Bitcoin to community involvement, and I sense you've had a lot of time to think about the untold many means of organization between the 'nodes' of this net we are weaving through our very existence and participation.

Honestly what impressed me most about this community before I was really 'all in', was its ability to adapt to changing circumstances and new reckonings on the fly.  We have a tremendous capacity in this regard and I think the ship (or fleet of ships) are arriving at a really ideal heading for the waters we travel.  A talented, and somewhat motley crew (my favorite kind) is coming together in a really organic and beautiful fashion.  This can sometimes be painful but also yield some amazing results!

From what I can tell of you so far fuzz, you're a rather humble soul, and humble as you are --- we will be your mirror, to let you know you have been a massive force in holding space for this community, in which many have gathered.
Sometimes people just take space for granted, while remaining fixated on the objects within.  Keep advancing the torch!  There was just some trouble about being too far ahead of your time, but the rest of us are catching up.  Imagine what BM goes through.

I support your delegate, and I'll offer help with video production once we are up and running on that front here!

I see us building an open-source diaspora-like social web for delegates to communicate and coordinate their actions so as to tap into the synergy inherent the 'edges' of our crew.  I know you took a crack at this one already!  We are evolving, and soon we shall emerge as a coherent entity with a force not seen in a long long while.

This makes me smile.  Your vision is very similar to how I see it too.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: lzr1900 on January 29, 2015, 05:14:18 am
Your delegate's reliability was very low,please look into it.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 29, 2015, 05:47:45 am
Your delegate's reliability was very low,please look into it.

Definitely looking into it at present.  Don't worry I will get this delegate exactly where it needs to be, please remember it has only been producing blocks for going on 3 days now.  I am working through the ticketing system to receive support from Chunkhost's side and if it cannot be fixed will be using a new provider in the coming days/week. 

I was directed to use Chunkhost awhile back...seems there is a latency issue with their server.  Please give me the information to join the delegate group on skype so I can receive notifications there.

Also, can someone please consider working on adding an RSS feed?  We really should be using that to update everyone instead of a Skype group.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on January 29, 2015, 01:54:51 pm
Voted in  +5%

Looking forward to great things.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: Shentist on January 30, 2015, 10:58:17 pm
if you didn't see it fuzzy, your delegate is always missing his block, you should update to 0.5.3
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 31, 2015, 12:39:46 am
if you didn't see it fuzzy, your delegate is always missing his block, you should update to 0.5.3

I did upgrade it.  There is something else going on.  Looks like it is fixed now though.  Will keep checking on it!
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: onceuponatime on January 31, 2015, 12:43:26 am
if you didn't see it fuzzy, your delegate is always missing his block, you should update to 0.5.3

I did upgrade it.  There is something else going on.  Looks like it is fixed now though.  Will keep checking on it!

It still shows that you are running ver 5.0 whereas you should be running 5.3 like everyone else is.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on January 31, 2015, 12:56:36 am
if you didn't see it fuzzy, your delegate is always missing his block, you should update to 0.5.3

I did upgrade it.  There is something else going on.  Looks like it is fixed now though.  Will keep checking on it!

It still shows that you are running ver 5.0 whereas you should be running 5.3 like everyone else is.

It has been upgraded.  I am not entirely sure why it still is showing up as 0.5.0. but please remember here everyone that this delegate has only been up for a week.  Many of the delegates on here have had time to go through the "volatile" stages of running the delegates very early on so it looks far worse than it really is.  Just wait and see in a month where it is and you will see that the stats will look far better.  A rough start doesn't preclude a terrible end and this delegate will only get better over time.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: wackou on January 31, 2015, 08:43:33 am
After upgrading your client, you also need to remember to publish the new version on the blockchain, you can do that with:

Code: [Select]
>> wallet_publish_version fuzzy.beyondbitcoin

Given that this is something that I have forgotten to do so many times, the bts_tools now have an option to do this automatically for you when they detect that the client has been upgraded. I will try to have this clearly explained in the docs in a couple of days, but I don't have a link readily available yet. There's a small section in the tutorial that quickly goes over it, though: http://bts-tools.readthedocs.org/en/latest/howto_monitor.html
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: sumantso on February 01, 2015, 06:19:44 am
Since there is a 100% delegate now, I would point out that transcripts of the hangouts are necessary. Its all fine arranging more and more hangouts, but how many of us has the time to listen through all of it?

Don't get me wrong, Fuzzy, BM and the rest who regularly take part are doing a great job, but it takes a lot of time to listen through it. I have covered some 30 mins in total over the last 3 BM sessions, and didn't get into any of the other ones. A transcript would mean I would be able to cover it and stay updated in a matter of minutes.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on February 01, 2015, 05:41:09 pm
Thank you for your response and valuable input.  This is a good time to clarify some things. 

As a 100% paid delegate, I have hired 2 Editors to edit the hangouts for Audio (20% each--Emailtooaj/Mira).  I have also Hired BTSWildpig to help bring these hangouts to the Chinese Community (20%).  I have also set aside 10% for Mumble Server Administration (JoeyD) as he is going to be working on increasing the maximum number of participants drastically for future expansion.  10% has been set aside for the Delegate Technician. 

At current marketcap, the approximate Operating Budget for Beyond Bitcoin (BTS) is:  $1300-$1500/month  (not including individual taxes, which will range from 15-30% off the top)

Human Resources Expense:
Fuzzy:            $260-$300/month
Emailtooaj:      $260-$300/month
Mira:                $260-$300/month
JoeyD:            $130-$150/month
Tech:              $130-$150/month

Delegate Fees:
Delegate Registration:  Approximately $600 to start the delegate and the team will not be paid until this initial cost is recompensed (they wanted to pitch in, but this just simplifies things). 
Google Virtual Private Server (VPS) Fees:  Though we are currently in a free trial period, this will run approximately $75/month starting 50 days from now.  Which will cut down my personal income from this delegate to $185-$225.

Mumble Fees:
VPS Server:  This Server will run approximately $50 dollars per month (we are still looking into the best deal--not the cheapest, mind you--but the best deal), but it will help us expand to 800, then 1600, and later 3200 Slots.  This will be necessary as we form partnerships with complimentary technologies and DPoS-Based DACs that wish to share the burden of building onto our shared code/infrastructure base (coders/manufacturers working on tools that integrate into alternate DPoS chains in effect are building our infrastructure for free so this is a very worthy investment by my calculations). $135-$175 is the delegate pay I receive after this expense.

SoundCloud:  The SoundCloud Pro Account enables us to upload unlimited amounts of content for $15/month.  This means that we can start a Public Service Media Network for all DPoS-Friendly Organizations/DACs that serve in the best interests of BitShares', its holders and the decentralized networks of power that grow from it and its underlying protocols.
     Past:    I found out approximately 1 month ago that Gamey has been paying out of pocket for the Beyond Bitcoin SoundCloud account.  This account has been up for approximately 1 year (12 months) and I intend to pay him back out of my own delegate fees.  This means that I will owe $180 out of my first month's salary. 
     Future:   $15/mo moving forward taken out of my pay, cutting it down to $120-$160/month.


As you can see, this 100% delegate actually doesn't give us a lot of room to do what we are doing on a grand scale (yet)--though it is safe to say that the team currently working on Beyond Bitcoin (BTS) has substantially improved the quality of the hangouts already!  In fact, I believe that those working for it are worth approximately 10x what they currently are currently making.  Luckily there will eventually be many DACs "Powered by Bitshares" to help shoulder the burden of paying for this Public Service.

So why are our workers so valuable?  I hire people who have first volunteered their services free of charge and proven their intent to help build our ecosystem first and foremost.  My philosophy is that those who work for our community and ask nothing in return are the first who we should compensate and trust with our capital. 

Why pay people who would work for free?  Because they have proven their intentions and motivations are aligned with our own with no other motivators present.  Once that has been proven, the element of "Individual Greed" can be included and I can still be confident that these individuals will be here for the long haul for you.  Not only that, but people who would work for free, shouldn't have to do so at a substantial opportunity cost to themselves. Those who sacrifice early on are the ones taking the largest risk both with respect to personal compensation and, in turn, voting power within the system itself--and they are doing it for everyone else.  By all rights, there is actually no rational reason why anyone would volunteer for this for personal gain at these marketcaps.  Indeed, it would be far more rational for them to pick up a second job and just buy BitShares (or another cryptocurrency that doesn't have this kind of service).

All these factors make them the best candidates to work for this Public Service Team we call "Beyond Bitcoin"--that started and was supported Right Here first.  Now with that said, to your statement here:
 
A transcript would mean I would be able to cover it and stay updated in a matter of minutes.
By Transcripts, I believe you are talking about what Gamey used to do for us; adding Time Flags and corresponding topics for ease of use.   
I agree that transcripts are helpful.  I will speak with the team regarding this request, but my initial thoughts are that this should be a task done by individuals in the community who want to gain a reputation and believe they are the best qualified for boiling down the entirety of a hangout into a couple of words.  There is a reason why we minimally edit the Context within the Audio--because this is a platform to be used by journalists.  It is modeled after Public Services like CSPAN:

3rd Party Journalists Report on our hangouts and give their opinions. 
(http://i.imgur.com/zMYnEu4.jpg)

I hope that we will provide the content needed for someone in the space to begin journalistic efforts that report on the happenings in the BitShares Ecosystem and am concerned about constricting the Context too much as I feel it is in your best interest as an investor to listen to the entirety of the hangouts.  However I do understand how time-restrictions might cause problems for some listening to all of the content (a very small minority do not even have time to even listen to them while traveling).  Though I am on the fence about whether providing these Flags is the correct approach for our own internal efforts...I am open to suggestions and will cover this topic when the Beyond Bitcoin team meets tonight.     

For the time being, remember that if you have a smart phone you can listen to our hangouts ( https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts ) while you take your morning run, on your drive to and from work...and nearly any other extra time you have available.  I will keep your thoughts in mind and appreciate you taking the time to voice them.   

One final note.  This delegate position has been created because I in large part paid out of pocket to great expense of myself over the past year to ensure our community had something most do not.  So in essence, this delegate keeps me from being in the RED for my efforts--and maybe provides me with approximately $100 a month after taxes.  So I do want to let people know that this is not an easy task and it is severely underpaid and will continue to be so even at 10x the current marketcap (because the workload will substantially increase as marketcap increases).  I promise I am not simply taking our community's funds and gambling them away.  In fact, this is going to likely be the only source of my own personal investment in BTS as I move forward because I can no longer afford to buy cryptocurrencies with the income I make from my real world job.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: sumantso on February 01, 2015, 09:37:19 pm
By Transcripts, I believe you are talking about what Gamey used to do for us; adding Time Flags and corresponding topics for ease of use.

Maybe I used the wrong word. I meant a readable version of the hangout.

The audio version is too slow, and while I can't speak for others at least to me the hangouts currently are of not much use to me.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: sumantso on February 01, 2015, 09:46:32 pm
One final note.  This delegate position has been created because I in large part paid out of pocket to great expense of myself over the past year to ensure our community had something most do not.  So in essence, this delegate keeps me from being in the RED for my efforts--and maybe provides me with approximately $100 a month after taxes.  So I do want to let people know that this is not an easy task and it is severely underpaid and will continue to be so even at 10x the current marketcap (because the workload will substantially increase as marketcap increases).  I promise I am not simply taking our community's funds and gambling them away.  In fact, this is going to likely be the only source of my own personal investment in BTS as I move forward because I can no longer afford to buy cryptocurrencies with the income I make from my real world job.

I doubt anybody thinks that you're taking anything, Fuzzy. In fact, in my proposals for separation of block producers and employees I had mentioned (more than twice) that there should be an option to reward volunteers like you; for some reason I had in my head that you were reluctant to run a delegate.

My question was more to whether the service is cost effective. Currently a few join in and a few more get the time to listen to it. Is it worth the price? I don't know.

Btw, I have the same question for all the big videos being churned out by Max. Everybody on here seems to love them, but are they being listened to by those outside the community? Would that resource have been better served to make small info videos targeted at, well, various targets for our products?
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on February 01, 2015, 10:24:10 pm
One final note.  This delegate position has been created because I in large part paid out of pocket to great expense of myself over the past year to ensure our community had something most do not.  So in essence, this delegate keeps me from being in the RED for my efforts--and maybe provides me with approximately $100 a month after taxes.  So I do want to let people know that this is not an easy task and it is severely underpaid and will continue to be so even at 10x the current marketcap (because the workload will substantially increase as marketcap increases).  I promise I am not simply taking our community's funds and gambling them away.  In fact, this is going to likely be the only source of my own personal investment in BTS as I move forward because I can no longer afford to buy cryptocurrencies with the income I make from my real world job.

I doubt anybody thinks that you're taking anything, Fuzzy. In fact, in my proposals for separation of block producers and employees I had mentioned (more than twice) that there should be an option to reward volunteers like you; for some reason I had in my head that you were reluctant to run a delegate.
I was reluctant to run a delegate for multiple reasons.  In all honesty I still am...but I realize that if I'm going to help grow this, capital is needed...and relying on tips is a no-go. 

My question was more to whether the service is cost effective. Currently a few join in and a few more get the time to listen to it. Is it worth the price? I don't know.
It is so early in the game for anyone to have a clue how cost effective it is.  In fact, it is pretty hard to tell with a service like this because it has been around since very near the official launch of PTS. 
As far as the cost-effectiveness.  I wonder if CSPAN has metrics on this or has a way to figure it out.  As I see it, as we begin having marketing amp up...and begin pushing our content around on social media and the blogosphere, that we will see it is valuable.  I will have to look more into it, but I am almost certain that it is funded by tax payers and by sponsors. 
The value I see in this service is that it helps to counterbalance the stake-weighted voting by giving everyone a place where their voice is on equal footing with everyone else's voice--as long as they are willing to show up and use it. 
I actually believe that "Beyond Bitcoin" should not be under "marketing" because it gives it the wrong feel.  I think we should have our own subforum because I see it as a movement and a public service that must take root and grow throughout all of the BitShares Ecosystem...and probably in a few other ecosystems as well.  The power and value of that lies in us being able to someday, a long time from now...offer these to the public saying "Beyond Bitcoin is Proudly 'Powered by BitShares'"

Btw, I have the same question for all the big videos being churned out by Max. Everybody on here seems to love them, but are they being listened to by those outside the community? Would that resource have been better served to make small info videos targeted at, well, various targets for our products?
I think marketing delegates should be focusing on doing what RGCrypto has talked about many times.  We need an affiliate network.  We need people creating content...and we need people propagating that content--and we need those on both sides to profit from it.  Currently it seems most people are still thinking that they need to start from the ground up when in fact I believe it would be far more effective for the marketing teams to focus on using the content we are already creating and pushing it out to as wide an audience as possible in as many forms as possible.  Recycle Content! 
The problem here is that we are not really working together as much as we need to.  We are still in an implicit "competition phase" when to be honest our delegates' fees are not enough for anyone to compete over.  The community could be so much more effective if we spent half the time we spend trying to find problems, just doing something positive. 

I'm not trying to come across as mean or callous when I say this, of course.  I'm simply saying it comes down to this:  Divided we fall; United we Stand.  I want to be United...Let's work together to propagate this content and our movement!  Let the advertisers do what they do!  For instance...Let's take someone else for example:  Empirical.1 made an amazing bitshares video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw).. It only has approximately 635 views at present.  Can we get a show of hands how many community members...or even marketing delegates have propagated this at least once on social media? 

Imagine if we spent the amount of time these posts have taken us...propagating that one video.  How many more views do you think Empirical's awesome content would get?  What if we pledged to take 5 minutes once a week as a community to each propagate this single video in at least one new place on the internet with a link to our forums or the bitshares.org sites...

When we stop asking if something is cost effective (and thus the unavoidable implication that it might not be worth doing or paying for), and start passing these ideas around (which is what humans are born to do!) through our content...I guarantee it will become far more cost effective.  When we are at a marketcap like Ripple's, I think your points on cost-effectiveness will be far more valid...but until we have far more funding at our disposal this necessarily must still be a grass roots thing. 

Don't get me wrong now sumantso...I don't disagree with you that we should be asking questions.  I'm simply saying we should try our best to also ask questions about how we can all contribute as well.  I do my best to reward those who contribute without asking for anything in return precisely because I know how valuable it is to building something Real.  Let's not be so concerned with building Hype as building something powerful and Real, and showing people that they can all take part in it...and empower both the platform and themselves. ;)

Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: sumantso on February 01, 2015, 10:33:12 pm

The value I see in this service is that it helps to counterbalance the stake-weighted voting by giving everyone a place where their voice is on equal footing with everyone else's voice--as long as they are willing to show up and use it.

I don't deny its an essential service. I am wondering how useful is it in its current audio only avatar.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on February 01, 2015, 10:36:51 pm

The value I see in this service is that it helps to counterbalance the stake-weighted voting by giving everyone a place where their voice is on equal footing with everyone else's voice--as long as they are willing to show up and use it.

I don't deny its an essential service. I am wondering how useful is it in its current audio only avatar.

We are still so young sumantso.  Give it time please before considering this.  Not everyone has Goldman Sachs "advisors" behind them like Ethereum and Grass Roots Stuff takes time to organically build.  :P
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on February 01, 2015, 11:22:39 pm
By Transcripts, I believe you are talking about what Gamey used to do for us; adding Time Flags and corresponding topics for ease of use.

Maybe I used the wrong word. I meant a readable version of the hangout.

The audio version is too slow, and while I can't speak for others at least to me the hangouts currently are of not much use to me.

A readable version of the hangouts will be easily 20-30 pages long.  I will consider this when we reach far higher marketcaps as this will be a full time job for each weekly hangout we have.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: Stan on February 01, 2015, 11:55:24 pm
Empirical.1 made an amazing bitshares video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw).. It only has approximately 635 views at present.  Can we get a show of hands how many community members...or even marketing delegates have propagated this at least once on social media? 

Just featured it on BitShares Loves Puppies! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=940298.msg10330704#msg10330704)
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on February 02, 2015, 01:08:28 am
By Transcripts, I believe you are talking about what Gamey used to do for us; adding Time Flags and corresponding topics for ease of use.

Maybe I used the wrong word. I meant a readable version of the hangout.

The audio version is too slow, and while I can't speak for others at least to me the hangouts currently are of not much use to me.

A readable version of the hangouts will be easily 20-30 pages long.  I will consider this when we reach far higher marketcaps as this will be a full time job for each weekly hangout we have.

Just a thought, and it may not work.. but if someone out there maybe has Dragon Talk, they can turn on the show and have it transcribe automatically. After that it would be editing to tell who was asking a question or making a comment. Might help make it more timely if it is that essential. Thinking on that idea of essential... it could be used beneficially as search engine fooder to get more traffic too. So it does have some value beyond being convenient for some members who prefer text. It might also be easier for them to be able to take it and dump it into a translator for other languages.

Anyways not trying to give you more work to do.. but just something to keep in mind if that's something you would like to improve on.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on February 02, 2015, 01:40:20 am
By Transcripts, I believe you are talking about what Gamey used to do for us; adding Time Flags and corresponding topics for ease of use.

Maybe I used the wrong word. I meant a readable version of the hangout.

The audio version is too slow, and while I can't speak for others at least to me the hangouts currently are of not much use to me.

A readable version of the hangouts will be easily 20-30 pages long.  I will consider this when we reach far higher marketcaps as this will be a full time job for each weekly hangout we have.

Just a thought, and it may not work.. but if someone out there maybe has Dragon Talk, they can turn on the show and have it transcribe automatically. After that it would be editing to tell who was asking a question or making a comment. Might help make it more timely if it is that essential. Thinking on that idea of essential... it could be used beneficially as search engine fooder to get more traffic too. So it does have some value beyond being convenient for some members who prefer text. It might also be easier for them to be able to take it and dump it into a translator for other languages.

Anyways not trying to give you more work to do.. but just something to keep in mind if that's something you would like to improve on.

Dragon naturally speaking is something ive already looked into. It only supports one voice and cannot even do that when other voices are present.  I wish it could..but unfortunately it doesn't.

We should always look to improve and I think we are improving...but people who think of this as a marketing effort are probably mistaken.  Public Services, unfortunately dont make the people who run them a great deal of money...but they are as essential as anything I can think of.

Unfortunately due to the last year of marketing burns amd lack of transparency has people a little on edge...and trust me I understand.  But this is meant to become something far bigger than just a n advertisement for bitShares.  This is all of you and all of those who want to join crypto communities based on DPoS..and affiliates that support our cause.  So although it is a longer term play (without the help of marketing) it helps form a community foundation that is hard to replicate any other way.

Empirical.1 made an amazing bitshares video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw).. It only has approximately 635 views at present.  Can we get a show of hands how many community members...or even marketing delegates have propagated this at least once on social media? 

Just featured it on BitShares Loves Puppies! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=940298.msg10330704#msg10330704)

Heck yeh! 
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: gamey on February 03, 2015, 08:55:35 pm
I do not need a year's worth of back bills as I didn't pay for it anywhere near that long. It might have been 1/2 a year by now.  It shouldn't come out of your personal payment, you should just split it all up by %s. Hardware/fixed bills are first then you pay it out by a percent.

Also you should examine if we could lower it to the lower tier of service and save $9 a month..

Also I would have one suggestion ! Take the audio and start posting it to youtube. Create a paragraph about what it covers. I found my time-point transcriptions easy to do as I got the editing down but that could be an overkill.  A simple 5 sentence paragraph about each episode with some key words then post it on youtube. It really doesn't take that much time after you've done all the rest of it. I meant to do it, but I find this year I must be doing more for my own direct financial interest.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on February 03, 2015, 08:58:57 pm
I do not need a year's worth of back bills as I didn't pay for it anywhere near that long. It might have been 1/2 a year by now.  It shouldn't come out of your personal payment, you should just split it all up by %s.  Hardware/fixed bills are first then you pay it out by a percent.

Thanks for the update.  That is good to know :)
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: lil_jay890 on February 03, 2015, 09:24:10 pm
I do not need a year's worth of back bills as I didn't pay for it anywhere near that long. It might have been 1/2 a year by now.  It shouldn't come out of your personal payment, you should just split it all up by %s. Hardware/fixed bills are first then you pay it out by a percent.

Also you should examine if we could lower it to the lower tier of service and save $9 a month..

Also I would have one suggestion ! Take the audio and start posting it to youtube. Create a paragraph about what it covers. I found my time-point transcriptions easy to do as I got the editing down but that could be an overkill.  A simple 5 sentence paragraph about each episode with some key words then post it on youtube. It really doesn't take that much time after you've done all the rest of it. I meant to do it, but I find this year I must be doing more for my own direct financial interest.

Great idea to post the audio on youtube!
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: fuzzy on February 03, 2015, 09:36:54 pm
I do not need a year's worth of back bills as I didn't pay for it anywhere near that long. It might have been 1/2 a year by now.  It shouldn't come out of your personal payment, you should just split it all up by %s. Hardware/fixed bills are first then you pay it out by a percent.

Also you should examine if we could lower it to the lower tier of service and save $9 a month..

Also I would have one suggestion ! Take the audio and start posting it to youtube. Create a paragraph about what it covers. I found my time-point transcriptions easy to do as I got the editing down but that could be an overkill.  A simple 5 sentence paragraph about each episode with some key words then post it on youtube. It really doesn't take that much time after you've done all the rest of it. I meant to do it, but I find this year I must be doing more for my own direct financial interest.

Great idea to post the audio on youtube!

This is something I have really been kicking around too.  I see nothing wrong with extending our reach further.  I actually prefer Youtube over SoundCloud for "cost" reasons.  But there have been more than a few times when I've seen legitimate news stories pulled off of youtube for "copyright" violations and "terms of service" violations.  So with that said, I do not think I will be cutting the pro membership of soundcloud, but I can see the merits of posting to youtube in parallel.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: kodtycoon on February 06, 2015, 02:35:51 pm
I would vote you ,but I have a question ,
why you using BTS delegate pay to support 3rd part DAC that tend to share drop to bts , what they can bring to BTS?

Where did he say he was using the BTS pay to support a 3rd party DAC?

[...]
 Let's look at NXT.  NXT already has Horizon (HZ) and NEM growing from its original code
[...]

Just want to point out, Nem is completely written from scratch. afaik, not a single line of nxt's code base is being used.
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: gamey on February 06, 2015, 10:06:41 pm

We need a guy like this who sits on google or finds some tool that flags every mention of bitshares then comments. ;) 
Title: Re: Please Consider Voting for fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Post by: kodtycoon on February 07, 2015, 01:52:26 am

We need a guy like this who sits on google or finds some tool that flags every mention of bitshares then comments. ;)

lol

i only found this cos there was a nem thread posted here a long time ago. logged in to see what had been said since on the thread and then posted an update. just thought i would then do a quick search just to see if much else was said to try and judge if interest in the project has died off/grown etc. :) having a look through other coins forums is a great way of finding genuine criticisms for things that need to be improved upon. and the more you find, either the better or worse you have done based on whether the majority of comments are for/against the project. also how you are received when making a post gives great insight too. its all about fact finding and making use of the information. ;) it says a lot(in a good way) about the community too when your not received with "get out of here with your shit coin shilling" lol

anyway.. apologies for sending taking the thread off-topic. :)