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Other => Graveyard => Muse/SoundDAC => Topic started by: bitbro on March 03, 2014, 12:47:09 am

Title: BitShares Music
Post by: bitbro on March 03, 2014, 12:47:09 am: Just watched the intro video to the upcoming DACs. Thank you, Daniel and team.

Question about Bitshares Music; What's to stop Person B from from copying Person A's song, producing a new chain for the same song and then selling shares in the pirated song?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: toast on March 03, 2014, 12:59:28 am: There is no notion of "pirated song". Songs are intended to be copied.
What's being "pirated" is the exchange, so buy up shares of your song on all exchanges that are significant when you lauch.

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Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: toast on March 03, 2014, 01:02:17 am: "Exhange" is an imperfect analogy. How about "songspace"

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Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: bitbro on March 03, 2014, 01:02:57 am: What I mean is, any song can be ripped and retitled -- will artists really benefit?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: toast on March 03, 2014, 01:11:36 am: Ah, right, you could just change the song a tiny bit and it'll have a different fingerprint. I think "ninjaing" is a more appropriate term than "pirating" for the new paradigm.

Maybe you could gamify finding duplicate songs and punish the people who ninja songs?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: smiley35 on March 03, 2014, 01:34:33 am: Quote from: toast on March 03, 2014, 01:11:36 am
Ah, right, you could just change the song a tiny bit and it'll have a different fingerprint. I think "ninjaing" is a more appropriate term than "pirating" for the new paradigm.

Maybe you could gamify finding duplicate songs and punish the people who ninja songs?

I think what he's saying is what is to stop me from claiming to be lady gaga and selling share's in "my" new song?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: cob on March 03, 2014, 04:38:26 am: Well Bitshares Music will be the back end of websites running on top of it.
The pandora/8track/groveshark-ish website that allows you to create a profile and upload your songs will have a few mecanisms in place to garantee that a song (and all the songshares) was uploaded by the correct artist / band / record label.
You have the market for starters. People will not invest in a song that could just get ignored once the real celine dion tweets that Mario69 is not the one singing in my_heart_will_go_on.mp3
So the market/investors will want to make sure they are putting their cash in the place that will produce the most ROI.
Second is the Flag/report button. This could make the jukebox ignore the song and skip it, until the issue is resolved.
Third you could have a "verified account / profile". So when the song has a green check next to it, it's because the uploader proved that he or she is the content creator (or the record company that has the rights to Beach Boys - Surfing USA)

Does this make sense?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: speedy on March 16, 2014, 05:36:16 am: Im really excited that about the potential for a new revenue model for Music. But can someone explain to me, if I hold shares in a particular song by using Bitshares Music, where is the link between that song being played and my shares receiving dividends? I watched Dan's snapshot video where he touched on all the other DACs, but I didnt quite understand that key point.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: luckybit on March 16, 2014, 02:05:14 pm: Quote from: toast on March 03, 2014, 01:02:17 am
"Exhange" is an imperfect analogy. How about "songspace"

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Songspace is a much better name than Bitshares music.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: CWEvans on March 16, 2014, 02:22:36 pm: Quote from: luckybit on March 16, 2014, 02:05:14 pm
Songspace is a much better name than Bitshares music.

For a service provider, yes. BitShares Music is a good brand for Dan's underlying technology, but appending "Bit" and "coin" to one's retail brand is starting to feel as groovy ".com".

With regard to the attack suggested above, I met with some Haitian-Americans here in Miami a month or so ago, who told me that some artists in Haiti have huge fan bases, but that they do not have enough money to pay for a doctor's visit. While the temptation to ninja a Madonna song might be high, one would have to be a real unpleasant-person to rip off some guy in a tent city trying to scratch together a living.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: Troglodactyl on March 16, 2014, 02:54:35 pm: Also, there are ways to use reputation and word of mouth to establish which of two submitters of the same song is likely to be the actual creator. In this system, there is no advantage to choosing the other instead of the artist. Identifying the artist's submission and investing in it will be more profitable than either "ninja-ing" someone's songs, or investing in ninja'd songs.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: cob on March 16, 2014, 04:35:40 pm: Quote from: trader on March 16, 2014, 05:36:16 am
Im really excited that about the potential for a new revenue model for Music. But can someone explain to me, if I hold shares in a particular song by using Bitshares Music, where is the link between that song being played and my shares receiving dividends? I watched Dan's snapshot video where he touched on all the other DACs, but I didnt quite understand that key point.

Every sale generated by every website using the Bitshares Music Blockchain is where your dividends come from.
You will NOT receive dividends from itunes sales or CD sales or concert ticket sales.
BUT!
Bitshares Music aims to undercut itunes since it cuts out a gazilion middlemen... have you heard of micro-payments by any chance? (:
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: G1ng3rBr34dM4n on March 17, 2014, 10:27:38 pm: Quote from: toast on March 03, 2014, 01:11:36 am
Ah, right, you could just change the song a tiny bit and it'll have a different fingerprint. I think "ninjaing" is a more appropriate term than "pirating" for the new paradigm.

Maybe you could gamify finding duplicate songs and punish the people who ninja songs?

Speaking from an implication perspective (not a coder): I don't think it would be too hard to upload of "proof of song [origin]" into the blockchain to prove you're the original artist. Maybe something as simple as a fingerprint of the audio profile in a pdf would suffice?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: toast on March 17, 2014, 11:08:43 pm: Or just a hash of the song file. But checking that the song you're listening to requires you to check against the actual audio of all the previous songs to make sure it didn't get ninja-d. Of course you could incentivize finding ninjas and then you would have someone just throw some AI at it and problem solved.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: bitbro on March 18, 2014, 02:10:09 am: Okay - BTS Me and BTS DNS just got their own sub forums. Where's the love for BTS Music? This is a very attractive DAC let's give it some love.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: toast on March 18, 2014, 02:17:41 am: If it's not under development, it shouldn't be under "Development" harr harr

I don't think anyone is actually writing code for it. If anything Lotto should have a subforum.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: jwiz168 on March 18, 2014, 03:36:58 am: Quote from: bitbro on March 18, 2014, 02:10:09 am
Okay - BTS Me and BTS DNS just got their own sub forums. Where's the love for BTS Music? This is a very attractive DAC let's give it some love.

+1 8)
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: Stan on March 18, 2014, 04:08:38 am: Actually, BitShares Music is backed by one of the most awe inspiring teams we have seen. It will soon be the model that all the other teams will be trying to match. They definitely deserve a sub-forum.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: yellowecho on March 18, 2014, 04:10:45 am: Quote from: Stan on March 18, 2014, 04:08:38 am
Actually, BitShares Music is backed by one of the most awe inspiring teams we have seen.

Who's on the team?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: toast on March 18, 2014, 04:23:36 am: That piques my interest!
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: JA on March 18, 2014, 04:52:39 am: Could we make the same Concept for TV Series or just Videos ?
Maybe over time it would create many interesting Channels
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: Stan on March 18, 2014, 06:37:21 am: Quote from: yellowecho on March 18, 2014, 04:10:45 am
Quote from: Stan on March 18, 2014, 04:08:38 am
Actually, BitShares Music is backed by one of the most awe inspiring teams we have seen.

Who's on the team?

I've got to save something for the newsletter or no one will read it... :)
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: donkeypong on March 25, 2014, 04:24:41 am: Here is an interesting article about a band taking BTC donations for a Torrent song. The band in this article would be much better served by the Bitshares Music DAC. Of coourse, they don't know that yet.

http://www.coindesk.com/hip-hop-group-first-test-frostwires-bitcoin-integration/ (http://www.coindesk.com/hip-hop-group-first-test-frostwires-bitcoin-integration/)
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: luckybit on March 25, 2014, 07:05:33 am: Quote from: donkeypong on March 25, 2014, 04:24:41 am
Here is an interesting article about a band taking BTC donations for a Torrent song. The band in this article would be much better served by the Bitshares Music DAC. Of coourse, they don't know that yet.

http://www.coindesk.com/hip-hop-group-first-test-frostwires-bitcoin-integration/ (http://www.coindesk.com/hip-hop-group-first-test-frostwires-bitcoin-integration/)

That hiphop group is getting a lot of attention but are they really good?

The one thing I can take from this, integrate Bitshares music into Bittorrent.

Bittorrent integration could be key for marketing and simple as hell. 15 minutes of coding could help Bitshares music.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: CLains on April 05, 2014, 11:28:18 pm: Would be cool if Eddie Corral and Cédric Cobban could create a thread here introducing themselves and perhaps roughly outline their overall strategy/road map.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: Stan on April 06, 2014, 12:05:13 am: Quote from: CLains on April 05, 2014, 11:28:18 pm
Would be cool if Eddie Corral and Cédric Cobban could create a thread here introducing themselves and perhaps roughly outline their overall strategy/road map.

As with most gifted entrepreneurs, they are just waiting for the right timing to make their move. :)

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Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: bytemaster on April 06, 2014, 12:44:38 am: Quote from: CLains on April 05, 2014, 11:28:18 pm
Would be cool if Eddie Corral and Cédric Cobban could create a thread here introducing themselves and perhaps roughly outline their overall strategy/road map.

Cedric is Cob on the forum, he has been posting for a while.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: trebor on April 06, 2014, 09:42:48 am: Sorry guys you need to send much more donations before they produce anything. And even than you can't expect much. Maybe big party in Las Vegas but I'am not so sure that any of you donors will be invited.
Sorry for trolling but one month with no new snapshot of even one DAC is too much. Early birds are sucking hard. Soon 1 BTC will be enough for all 5000 daily produced AngelShares.
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: CLains on April 06, 2014, 11:55:21 am: Quote from: bytemaster on April 06, 2014, 12:44:38 am
Quote from: Stan on April 06, 2014, 12:05:13 am
Quote from: CLains on April 05, 2014, 11:28:18 pm
Would be cool if Eddie Corral and Cédric Cobban could create a thread here introducing themselves and perhaps roughly outline their overall strategy/road map.

As with most gifted entrepreneurs, they are just waiting for the right timing to make their move. :)

(http://dailykitten.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/1192821988.jpg)

Cedric is Cob on the forum, he has been posting for a while.

+5% +5% :D
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: CLains on April 07, 2014, 12:45:20 pm: "Come celebrate with Tatiana, DJ Stoopkid, and the Mastercoin Foundation crew the start of a new era in the industry for artists, musicians and producers to use Bitcoin for responsible music sharing, marketing and financing. We will be announcing "Tatiana Coin", the first ever artist metacoin using the Mastercoin Protocol. Listen to some great music and free drinks from your hosts. Want more info on Tatiana Coin and to be updated on all the latest news? Go to www.tatianacoin.com"

x)
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: donkeypong on April 08, 2014, 05:40:37 am: Man, are they just throwing anything and everything onto Mastercoin? It's like starting a city and letting people build wherever and however they want. How long before their piggyback blockchain space fills up with crud?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: masterofmyself on April 08, 2014, 06:18:03 am: Regarding the worry about "song pirating" - can there be public and private key encryption that would enable a user/listener to access the song with a public key only when he or she has either bought a share or paid a subscription for the service?

Also, will there be ways to give band's "top fans" incentives like discounted merch, early buy ticket access, etc.?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: yellowecho on June 05, 2014, 12:43:55 am: BUMP.
Has there been any discussion regarding AGS/PTS distribution yet?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: toast on June 05, 2014, 12:45:17 am: Quote from: yellowecho on June 05, 2014, 12:43:55 am
BUMP.
Has there been any discussion regarding AGS/PTS distribution yet?

IIRC it was 25%/25% AGS/PTS =D
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: hadrian on June 06, 2014, 10:00:08 pm: https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/sovereignbtc-18-tatianacoin (https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/sovereignbtc-18-tatianacoin)

I was listening to this (from 38:10 to 41:00). Adam B. Levine is talking about his ideas relating to music using blockchain tech.
Time-stamping uploads of songs, using tokens to rate songs. Creating various charts and setting it up so the platform distributes tokens to most successful songs etc.
The consumer doesn't provide money, but acts as a curator to determine popular or highly rated songs.

Is there anything here which could be adopted by Bitshares music which hasn't been considered already?
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: VoR0220 on September 17, 2014, 08:16:05 pm: Quote from: hadrian on June 06, 2014, 10:00:08 pm
https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/sovereignbtc-18-tatianacoin (https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/sovereignbtc-18-tatianacoin)

I was listening to this (from 38:10 to 41:00). Adam B. Levine is talking about his ideas relating to music using blockchain tech.
Time-stamping uploads of songs, using tokens to rate songs. Creating various charts and setting it up so the platform distributes tokens to most successful songs etc.
The consumer doesn't provide money, but acts as a curator to determine popular or highly rated songs.

Is there anything here which could be adopted by Bitshares music which hasn't been considered already?

+5% that's what I've been saying!
Title: Re: BitShares Music
Post by: FuLl on September 18, 2014, 04:00:31 am: ...Just a thought:

What's to prevent someone from charging a ransom for incriminating recordings?

I imagine it would only be a matter of time until such a use case found its way to reality.

Is that something that the DAC is prepared to facilitate?

If someone were to integrate their scheme with Maidsafe's 'immutable files' function, it could be a cash cow for rogue papparatzi, whistleblowers, & organized crime.

How could such actions be prevented programmaticly?

-FuLl