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General Discussion / Re: Knowing when to stop
« on: October 31, 2014, 10:48:15 pm »

“I think what people are worried about is that you won't stop here. Once you have erased a hard line you put in place (no dilution), how can the random investor know which other lines will be preserved? The uncertainty is hurting the community, and we are not without competition.”

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I think everyone is just nervous about the changes. I don't think anybody here wants to see Bitshares fail.

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You know what? I actually think that the FED doesn't seem that evil after all. Dilution can be a powerful tool when used correctly. As we see here dilution of the money supply is going to be used to further development among other things. A while ago I was reading how the dilution of the money supply and low interest rates that have been going on since Obama took office prevented another great depression from happening.  Apparently if the money supply was diluted in the 1930's, which you couldn't as money used to be gold, the Great depression would have never happened. Again during the depression goods and services got cheaper and so it made more sense to just hold on to your gold rather than spend it and that brought the whole economy to a halt.

I agree with C. If we can just set emotion aside and have intelligent discourse we will be able to come up with great ideas and solutions. Why wouldn't we want to attract new users? We need new users more so than we need investors or developers. Without users to use the platform there is not DAC, there is no ROI, and no job for developers. Users of the plat form are a top priority.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Direction - Why not How or What...
« on: October 29, 2014, 06:07:22 am »
On a side note it is probably what separates Apple vs Android users. Apple users perhaps are driven by feelings more so than Android users. Android users are driven more by features, specs, hardware. Driven more by logic than emotions.

I've had random Apple fanboys start getting all worked up when I talk about my new android phone... like they are unnaturally threatened.  Quite funny really.

It is those emotions haha
Never understood the cult like following of Apple. This probably explains actual cults and many religion. Regardless of how illogical it may actually be they exist because of the emotions people experience.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Direction - Why not How or What...
« on: October 29, 2014, 05:38:41 am »
I just watched the Ted talk BM linked to. Interesting talk. I think I may have seen it before its been awhile though.

It makes a lot of sense though

Emotion is found in the most primitive area of the human brain. The part of the brain that we share with all other mammals on Earth. The part of the brain that drove our ancestors to act. If they came across a deadly animal like a lion they would experience fear and the fear would drive them to either fight the animal or run away. (flight or fight response aka stress)

The outermost portion of the human brain is the most recently evolved brain and is what allows us to imagine many future possibilities and then take action. AKA planning.

The outermost portion of the brain is what separates humans from our ape chimpanzee cousins whom we share an ancestor with. (98% of human and Chimp DNA is the same 1% separates us)

It makes sense that the ancient part of the brain drives us towards action and overrides the newer part of the human brain as it has been around for far longer.



On a side note it is probably what separates Apple vs Android users. Apple users perhaps are driven by feelings more so than Android users. Android users are driven more by features, specs, hardware. Driven more by logic than emotions.

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On that note we have been developing a marketing strategy that does not depend upon dilution to implement.   

For the most part we will aim to reserve dilution for development efforts that have visible ROI rather than marketing efforts that are controversial.

How do you calculate the ROI on development efforts though? I'm just curious.


This is an excellent read and I think it is very applicable to Bitshares
http://blogs.wsj.com/accelerators/2014/06/03/jessica-livingston-why-startups-need-to-focus-on-sales-not-marketing/

I'm more interested in what the author describes as sales and marketing. Where sales is narrow and deep and marketing is broad and shallow. I was wondering, is it possible that previous marketing efforts were too broad and shallow? Author suggests early on that start ups should be focusing more on sales. In regards to Bitshares I interpret that as, "let's see how many businesses we can get over to our platform and how many businesses we can convince to start accepting BitUSD." I think that if the 'marketing' (I'm not talking about Brian Page specifically but rather about anyone interested in 'marketing') effort showed results as in we convinced Coinbase to integrate BitUSD into their merchant system. Or if our marketing efforts convinced some online retail business to start accepting BitUSD then maybe it wouldn't be so controversial.

If I'm not mistaken, Brian's focus on narrow and deep rather than broad and shallow is why impatient community members follow him around with torches and pitchforks periodically.

His focus was narrow and deep with investors though wasn't it? Not really users, or maybe I'm missing something.
Without users it doesn't matter if you have great developers or tons of investors.

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I'm thinking it would be useful to allow delegates to edit their own sections. Maintaining this would be a lot of work for one person. Would a wiki format work?

It might and as you mentioned earlier might be great if voters could post pro/cons about delegates.

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I apologize if this has been mentioned elsewhere but is there a website we can go to where we can view what it is that each of the 101 delegates are doing to help the DAC grow?

I think it would be a good idea if delegates had their own dedicated website where they talk about what it is they are going to do and WHY they should be delegates. Also, it might be a good idea if delegates post the metrics to be used to measure their performance. I think saying that you can't really measure performance is unacceptable.

This would be great. Delegates deserve something more than the forum. The site also could have a place where propositions (for voting) could be explained. Not to seem too much like a referendum election, but we could even file pro/con arguments if needed.

http://bitsharesdelegates.info

I wouldn't know how to set up the website though  :P

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On that note we have been developing a marketing strategy that does not depend upon dilution to implement.   

For the most part we will aim to reserve dilution for development efforts that have visible ROI rather than marketing efforts that are controversial.

How do you calculate the ROI on development efforts though? I'm just curious.


This is an excellent read and I think it is very applicable to Bitshares
http://blogs.wsj.com/accelerators/2014/06/03/jessica-livingston-why-startups-need-to-focus-on-sales-not-marketing/

I'm more interested in what the author describes as sales and marketing. Where sales is narrow and deep and marketing is broad and shallow. I was wondering, is it possible that previous marketing efforts were too broad and shallow? Author suggests early on that start ups should be focusing more on sales. In regards to Bitshares I interpret that as, "let's see how many businesses we can get over to our platform and how many businesses we can convince to start accepting BitUSD." I think that if the 'marketing' (I'm not talking about Brian Page specifically but rather about anyone interested in 'marketing') effort showed results as in we convinced Coinbase to integrate BitUSD into their merchant system. Or if our marketing efforts convinced some online retail business to start accepting BitUSD then maybe it wouldn't be so controversial.

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It is we the shareholders, and the people who short bitUSD, who would pay for the yield, not the users. Paying out of our own pocket to subsidize a bonus for new bitAsset users in the first few quarters of our existence seems to me common sense business practice. If we don't do it, someone else might, and I have not yet seen any good arguments for why it will not work in attracting more users, only hot emotional air.

Words playing on connotation found so far:

crazy,
ponzi,
drastic,
expensive,
go join nuBits,
controversial,
deceptive,
artificial,
US QE,
scam,
nuts...

This is all FUD, with no real argumentation. Please be civil and reasonable everyone, regardless of your strong feelings on this topic! What really matters is whether or not this works as a marketing scheme to increase market cap and assert dominance mid-term.

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I apologize if this has been mentioned elsewhere but is there a website we can go to where we can view what it is that each of the 101 delegates are doing to help the DAC grow?

I think it would be a good idea if delegates had their own dedicated website where they talk about what it is they are going to do and WHY they should be delegates. Also, it might be a good idea if delegates post the metrics to be used to measure their performance. I think saying that you can't really measure performance is unacceptable.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Direction - Why not How or What...
« on: October 29, 2014, 01:17:41 am »
I'm saying two things. First everybody wants to become the next Apple or Steve Jobs, but that doesn't mean you will, so I think you should plan for the long difficult road instead of counting on becoming a rock-star overnight.

Second, I do not want to help create a second Apple at all. I do not like anything Apple stands for it is the complete opposite that we hope to achieve here. What philosophy of Apple with their patent trolling, walled garden, monopolistic tactics and gatekeeper ridden appstore held together by their Reality Distortion Field marketing is in any way, shape or form exemplary for bitshares?

I definitely agree with your second paragraph and wrote something similar a few pages back.

"Apple is proprietary, secretive, with top down centrally controlled management and they certainly aren't innovative at all." I also mentioned that Bitshares stands for the opposite of what Apple does.

I still think we can learn from their success in particular I think we can learn from them what it takes to have a loyal following. Or just use Apple as a case study for how to achieve a cult like following.

I'm of the opinion that the only way we can help Bitshares grow is by putting the interest of the users first before the interest of the investor and ROI. If we have a growing user base it helps investors have a greater ROI in the long run.

Interesting read that I recommend everyone read when they have a chance.
http://blogs.wsj.com/accelerators/2014/06/03/jessica-livingston-why-startups-need-to-focus-on-sales-not-marketing/

Quote from the article

"At  Y Combinator, we advise most startups to begin by seeking out some core group of early adopters and then engaging with individual users to convince them to sign up.

For example, the early adopters of Airbnb were hosts and guests in New York City (Y Combinator funded Airbnb in Winter of 2009).  To grow, Airbnb needed to get more hosts and also help existing hosts convert better. So Brian Chesky and Joe Gebbia flew to New York every week to meet with hosts — teaching them how to price their listings, take better photos, and so on. They also asked hosts for introductions to potential new hosts, who they then met in person."


Who would be our early adopters? Well for starters everyone here is an early adopter.
I think that if we could each get at least one other person to sign up and then get them to recruit others we would have viral adoption versus just waiting for a central plan from a central marketing campaign. I personally have gotten two people I know in my neighborhood to buy Bitshares. Now they just need to recruit others and everyone here needs to do the same.

Early adopters for Bitshares may be freedom seekers, security minded individuals or people that are just interested in new technology. My thinking has evolved as I read through the posts on this thread. BM makes many good points in the op. Early on this technology appeals most to freedom seekers and we should be engaging them. Later when this ecosystem is larger we can focus on the mainstream. In fact we could engage the mainstream now by saying that they can send money in a peer to peer fashion to any part in the world with greater security and lower fees than Bitcoin or credit cards.

I'll definitely make greater effort to practice what I am preaching and as a result I purchased the domain name in my signature and created a youtube channel to go along with it. My goal is to make Bitshares easier to use by showing people how to use it.
 

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Direction - Why not How or What...
« on: October 28, 2014, 11:45:14 pm »
According to this guy there are absolutely no short cuts when creating start ups. The only way to succeed is by creating a superior product or service. I think that as of right now Bitshares as a platform is superior to any of the other blockchain projects guess BM is saying that we need more followers who believe that too.

https://startupclass.co/lecture/83456/lecture-counterintuitive-parts-of-startups-and-how-to-have-ideas-paul-graham

Above his lecture is an interview Steve Jobs did when he had his own start up called "NEXT" after he left or got fired from Apple. In that interview Steve Jobs says that you have to have passion otherwise you give up on your start up.

I agree that we are not Apple but that doesn't mean that there is nothing we can learn from their success.

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Random Discussion / Re: What music are you listening to? :)
« on: October 28, 2014, 11:20:47 pm »
Calvin Harris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ACl8s_tBzE

I like it even though it is like the same words over and over LOL

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Direction - Why not How or What...
« on: October 28, 2014, 10:54:09 pm »
It is true Apple has a large market cap. It may be the first company to reach $1 trillion dollar market cap. They do really well compared to Google.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=market+cap+Google+vs.+Apple+last+six+months

I guess the emotion aspect is very important after all. Question is how do you achieve a loyal following like Apple? Also, would it be a good idea if we each made at least one youtube video about anything related to Bitshares and shared it with our friends and family via email, facebook, twitter and of course youtube? Our friends in China could do this as well with the social media networks they use. My reasoning for this is that instead of waiting for a central marketing plan from a central institution, couldn't we achieve mass marketing and exposure if hundreds of people managed to expose at least 10 other people to Bitshares?

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Direction - Why not How or What...
« on: October 28, 2014, 11:01:06 am »
Something people here need to understand: a powerful, emotional message and product utility are not binary options. You need an emotional message to get the attention of average people. Once you've got their attention, impress them with awesome utility.

Bytemaster: Read Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers by Geoffrey A. Moore <-- Written over 20 years ago, it's just as relevant today as it was then. I cannot recommend this book enough.

There is a big difference between emotion and ideology.

Back in the day, the telephone company used to encourage people to use the phone by reminding them to "reach out and touch someone", while showing images that remind people of their families. Family connections emotional, not ideological. Selling emotions is frigging easy. But selling ideology? That takes $100s of billions in political campaign spending and half the time you will lose to your ideological rival.

Ideology is a marketing loser if your goal is wide adoption.

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Even today appealing to peoples emotions work and big companies know this. Appealing to peoples emotions works with the GOP and the ridiculousness they spew like with the recent Ebola hysteria or the claims of Obama being the anti christ. (see what I did there)
Anyways, appealing to peoples emotions is very powerful and fear in particular is very powerful. Its what the GOP does all day every day.

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