That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
I would guess that it is probably quite a bit better than early participation by any novel POW chain.
It will get sorted out. The guys who are willing to do sneaky things to get elected will be sussed out. Some of have been to busy to pursue delegates at the moment.
Also the sneaky guys are likely to run multiple delegates at once.
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
If I wanted to act as a delegate to support Bitshares X what are the basic steps I need to take? Setup/maintain reliable server(s)? register as a delegate? ask for votes? something like that? Do I need a certain amount of BTSX in my wallet or any other requirements like that?
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
+5%
Well said! Make absolute sense to me.
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
Look, with 101 delegates, someone is always going to say "too centralized". Even if it were 101 unique individuals. All I am saying is that it is not helping promote a decentralized perception when you can look at the delegate list and see with 100% certainty that a few people control a majority of the network. You are probably right that it will smooth out more as time passes and BTer and other exchanges enable withdraws. I have quite a few BTS I have bought waiting for withdraw.
When I said "you guys", I wasn't referring to you as in I3 or DACSunlimited, I was talking to the voters. Participation is and will be the problem. I'll shut up now.
Quote from: CLains on July 21, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
Quote from: delulo on July 21, 2014, 11:16:26 PM
Quote from: CLains on July 21, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
you should only ban what you can enforce. Can you really enforce a no-pay? Whats to stop people from paying for "marketing" and it goes to a mass sender going out to their secret backers?
Quote from: AdamBLevine on July 21, 2014, 11:19:23 PM
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
Rent a VPS server -> build the client -> register a delegate account -> ask for vote -> generate block
You can set up a team to be the delegate.
just looking for a technology partner. :)
Quote from: AdamBLevine on July 21, 2014, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: delulo on July 21, 2014, 11:16:26 PM
Quote from: CLains on July 21, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
you should only ban what you can enforce. Can you really enforce a no-pay? Whats to stop people from paying for "marketing" and it goes to a mass sender going out to their secret backers?
If one delegate is beginning to prove his marketing efforts it will pressure the others to do the same.
I meant a "soft ban" = discussing it, educating people that the personal benefits for them are tiny but the potential harm to the network can be big which harms them a lot as they are shareholders. "Ban" is maybe not the right word. More something like a "social ban". This seems to be against crypto principles but the byzantine generals problems has not been solved by anyone in the space yet, not totally at least. POW, POS and DPOS all have the potential for centralization and it can not be avoided solely by technical means (up to now, lets see).
Quote from: AdamBLevine on July 21, 2014, 11:19:23 PM
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
agreed. I didn't realize there was such need for delegates. should I rent out a vps and (try) to get the code compiled for the sake of helping?
Quote from: delulo on July 21, 2014, 11:16:26 PM
Quote from: CLains on July 21, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
I see no problem with pay back. It essentially is the equivalent of a group of people electing one person to to represent them as a delegate.
Isn't pay back the equivalent of a mining pool? people are too small to be a delegate on their own so they pitch in their votes to get a shared delegate spot.
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:32:05 PM
Quote from: AdamBLevine on July 21, 2014, 11:19:23 PM
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
agreed. I didn't realize there was such need for delegates. should I rent out a vps and (try) to get the code compiled for the sake of helping?
there is a need for delegates, ideally they would be 101 individuals with standing and technical experience in the community trusted to (1) not screw the system and (2) maintain/pay for their node.
to do it see:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit/wiki/DPOS-initial-delegate-setup
To be a delegate you just need to:
1) pay to be a delegate (set up an account, give it some BTS, register the account, register the account as a delegate)
2) set "wallet_enable_delegate_block_production $ACCOUNT true"
3) UNLOCK YOUR WALLET and keep it unlocked!!!! set a long time out (that was my mistake at first)
4) somewhat optional, but nice to do:
network_set_advanced_node_parameters {"desired_number_of_connections":50, "maximum_number_of_connections":200}
benefits: you get a share of the transaction fees (pay_rate*10/101*transaction_fees_per_day)
costs: maintaining a vps, having to be on top of things
in theory, you should campaign and be well known. In practice, for now, it is dominated by the big accounts giving themselves a large number of delegate spots.
Quote from: delulo on July 21, 2014, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: AdamBLevine on July 21, 2014, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: delulo on July 21, 2014, 11:16:26 PM
Quote from: CLains on July 21, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
you should only ban what you can enforce. Can you really enforce a no-pay? Whats to stop people from paying for "marketing" and it goes to a mass sender going out to their secret backers?
If one delegate is beginning to prove his marketing efforts it will pressure the others to do the same.
I meant a "soft ban" = discussing it, educating people that the personal benefits for them are tiny but the potential harm to the network can be big which harms them a lot as they are shareholders. "Ban" is maybe not the right word. More something like a "social ban". This seems to be against crypto principles but the byzantine generals problems has not been solved by anyone in the space yet. POW, POS and DPOS all have the potential for centralization and it can not be avoided solely by technical means (up to now, lets see).
The problem with a "social ban" is you leave the option to pay for votes only to users already willing to ignore the social norms. So you take away the quite useful tool of compensating your supporters from those who are willing to follow your rules, which makes it harder for "good" actors to succeed.
So again, I'd really discourage the "banning" of tactics that are actually able to be banned, and don't rely on people following rules. Good people will follow rules to their detriment, bad people will ignore the rules because nothing makes them stop and they'll have an easier time onboarding support because they have a tool in their arsenal those following the rules do not.
To be a delegate, It's not about a step by step guide.
Like the traditional IT service, you need a professional system administrators, to ensure 24 hours of service.
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:42:49 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:32:05 PM
Quote from: AdamBLevine on July 21, 2014, 11:19:23 PM
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
agreed. I didn't realize there was such need for delegates. should I rent out a vps and (try) to get the code compiled for the sake of helping?
there is a need for delegates, ideally they would be 101 individuals with standing and technical experience in the community trusted to (1) not screw the system and (2) maintain/pay for their node.
to do it see:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit/wiki/DPOS-initial-delegate-setup
To be a delegate you just need to:
1) pay to be a delegate (set up an account, give it some BTS, register the account, register the account as a delegate)
2) set "wallet_enable_delegate_block_production $ACCOUNT true"
3) UNLOCK YOUR WALLET and keep it unlocked!!!! set a long time out (that was my mistake at first)
4) somewhat optional, but nice to do:
network_set_advanced_node_parameters {"desired_number_of_connections":50, "maximum_number_of_connections":200}
benefits: you get a share of the transaction fees (pay_rate*10/101*transaction_fees_per_day)
costs: maintaining a vps, having to be on top of things
in theory, you should campaign and be well known. In practice, for now, it is dominated by the big accounts giving themselves a large number of delegate spots.
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:42:49 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:32:05 PM
Quote from: AdamBLevine on July 21, 2014, 11:19:23 PM
I'm confused how I would run a delegate - I see I can register my ident, is it just as simple as doing that and then getting people to vote for me?
I think the tools are fine but the explanation for people who haven't followed every dry run are sorely lacking. Once people understand how to be delegates or what it requires vs what its rewards are, we'll probably see less centralization.
agreed. I didn't realize there was such need for delegates. should I rent out a vps and (try) to get the code compiled for the sake of helping?
there is a need for delegates, ideally they would be 101 individuals with standing and technical experience in the community trusted to (1) not screw the system and (2) maintain/pay for their node.
to do it see:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit/wiki/DPOS-initial-delegate-setup
To be a delegate you just need to:
1) pay to be a delegate (set up an account, give it some BTS, register the account, register the account as a delegate)
2) set "wallet_enable_delegate_block_production $ACCOUNT true"
3) UNLOCK YOUR WALLET and keep it unlocked!!!! set a long time out (that was my mistake at first)
4) somewhat optional, but nice to do:
network_set_advanced_node_parameters {"desired_number_of_connections":50, "maximum_number_of_connections":200}
benefits: you get a share of the transaction fees (pay_rate*10/101*transaction_fees_per_day)
costs: maintaining a vps, having to be on top of things
in theory, you should campaign and be well known. In practice, for now, it is dominated by the big accounts giving themselves a large number of delegate spots.
Thanks, I will work on this. I managed to get it installed on ubuntu using these instructions:
https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx/blob/master/BUILD_UBUNTU.md
just haven't tried running it yet.
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
so you're saying there are plenty of unique delegates out there, they just haven't been voted in yet?
Quote from: AdamBLevine on July 21, 2014, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: delulo on July 21, 2014, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: AdamBLevine on July 21, 2014, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: delulo on July 21, 2014, 11:16:26 PM
Quote from: CLains on July 21, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
if it is easy for delegates to see who voted for them, why won't each voter gradually drift toward the delegates that give them the highest immediate cash in return, even off-chain? this seems like an existential threat to the system, it dampens the idea that DPOS will be a force of nature, and weakens the power of decentralization by vote.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966
POW has the same problem. We should ban "pay back delegates". It is not perfect but it works for Bitcoin. There are also no pay back mining pools.
I think it might not be a problem if all shareholders that vote are educated enough that such voting behaviour harms their assets / the network they own and that (probably by far) is a bigger loss on average than the tiny gains through paid back tx fees. That is how I think about it right now. But please feel free to discuss it! I tried to spark of a solid discussion there but no one really talks about it...
you should only ban what you can enforce. Can you really enforce a no-pay? Whats to stop people from paying for "marketing" and it goes to a mass sender going out to their secret backers?
If one delegate is beginning to prove his marketing efforts it will pressure the others to do the same.
I meant a "soft ban" = discussing it, educating people that the personal benefits for them are tiny but the potential harm to the network can be big which harms them a lot as they are shareholders. "Ban" is maybe not the right word. More something like a "social ban". This seems to be against crypto principles but the byzantine generals problems has not been solved by anyone in the space yet. POW, POS and DPOS all have the potential for centralization and it can not be avoided solely by technical means (up to now, lets see).
The problem with a "social ban" is you leave the option to pay for votes only to users already willing to ignore the social norms. So you take away the quite useful tool of compensating your supporters from those who are willing to follow your rules, which makes it harder for "good" actors to succeed.
So again, I'd really discourage the "banning" of tactics that are actually able to be banned, and don't rely on people following rules. Good people will follow rules to their detriment, bad people will ignore the rules because nothing makes them stop and they'll have an easier time onboarding support because they have a tool in their arsenal those following the rules do not.
QuoteThe problem with a "social ban" is you leave the option to pay for votes only to users already willing to ignore the social norms. So you take away the quite useful tool of compensating your supporters from those who are willing to follow your rules, which makes it harder for "good" actors to succeed.
I did not quite get that paragraph.
Quoteonly to users already willing to ignore the social norms
that would still decrease the number of those who vote for pay back delegates.
Quotethe quite useful tool of compensating your supporters
If you look at the system as a whole it is not a useful tool to compensate those who vote for you.
Have you read this https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5868.msg78966#msg78966 ?
Quote from: merockstar on July 22, 2014, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
so you're saying there are plenty of unique delegates out there, they just haven't been voted in yet?
Yes, it appears that a few people with lots of BTSX are voting in all of their aliases, so they keep all the fees for themselves (thus the title of the thread).
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 22, 2014, 12:05:31 AM
Quote from: merockstar on July 22, 2014, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
so you're saying there are plenty of unique delegates out there, they just haven't been voted in yet?
Yes, it appears that a few people with lots of BTSX are voting in all of their aliases, so they keep all the fees for themselves (thus the title of the thread).
ahhh I understand now! I won't worry about it then.
that sucks.
EDIT: I got the impression that more candidates were needed from this quote:
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
but I see now that the operative word is
qualifiedbowing out now.
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: xxxxxxxxx
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Due to low voter turn out our stake is enough to be "king maker" until more people bring their stake on line. The only qualification I am looking for right now is someone who has made a public attempt to engage the community and recrute votes. If someone wants to be a delegate and cannot get the votes then contact me and you will be put in.
That said, if I vote for someone who doesn't perform then I remove my vote and select someone else.
I would love to just remove my stake and let others decide, but there is at least one actor out there with 1.5% of the stake whom I do not trust based upon their attempt to leverage the good names of people in the crypto-community to get votes.
So if someone wants to help increase decentralization then I will vote them in. None of the delegates that are in right now are there solely because they voted for themselves. They are there mostly because I have bumped them with ~3% of the vote from the PTS Angel address.
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Galt, I would gladly do that for you, but my funds are not accessible until tomorrow. Note: It is best not to reveal your public key and desired name publicly least someone attempt to take the name.
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Do you need some still? I will send you some to register.
Quote from: bytemaster on July 22, 2014, 12:48:26 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Galt, I would gladly do that for you, but my funds are not accessible until tomorrow. Note: It is best not to reveal your public key and desired name publicly least someone attempt to take the name.
Okay, thanks for advice. feel free to remove it from posts if you can. I can change it if needed.
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 12:51:46 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Do you need some still? I will send you some to register.
Yes I do. I am good for it I promise. :)
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 12:51:46 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Do you need some still? I will send you some to register.
Yes I do. I am good for it I promise. :)
Sent it to your john-galt account. 17BTS
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:00:04 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 12:51:46 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 21, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: merockstar on July 21, 2014, 11:53:07 PM
how much does it cost?
would it really really help, or will this unique delegate problem hammer itself out in no time?
my campaign platform would be: "I don't really give a shit if you vote for me, I'm just trying to help."
right now, 17 BTSX to become a delegate. You don't need anything too fancy for the vps at the moment - $10-30/month?
There are ~1000 other delegates out there, so you have to weigh the possibility of being elected to the top 101 with the cost of being a delegate.
EDIT: Either way, it's probably also good to learn about the delegates out there and vote for the "good" ones. And educate others about the "good" ones.
It seems the instructions actually work!! I'm a bit shocked that everything is working as instructed after a previous experience spending a week or 2 getting the Bitcoin to compile with all it's libraries etc....
seems I'm just missing BTSX to become a delegate now. I got ubuntu working and wallet created etc...but can't register my delegate due to no BTSX. I only have some on Bter and can't withdraw.
Anyone know when we will be able to withdraw BTSX on Bter?
Hate to ask....but....Bytemaster can you register my delegate account with the native_pubkey that shows from wallet_account_list_public_keys ??
account: delegate-galt
public key: XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV
Do you need some still? I will send you some to register.
Yes I do. I am good for it I promise. :)
Sent
Thanks, got it at my windows account so I need to send it to my ubuntu delegate account that I want to register right? Sorry, I'm a bit new at this.
Quote from: bytemaster on July 22, 2014, 12:46:30 AM
Due to low voter turn out our stake is enough to be "king maker" until more people bring their stake on line. The only qualification I am looking for right now is someone who has made a public attempt to engage the community and recrute votes. If someone wants to be a delegate and cannot get the votes then contact me and you will be put in.
That said, if I vote for someone who doesn't perform then I remove my vote and select someone else.
I would love to just remove my stake and let others decide, but there is at least one actor out there with 1.5% of the stake whom I do not trust based upon their attempt to leverage the good names of people in the crypto-community to get votes.
So if someone wants to help increase decentralization then I will vote them in. None of the delegates that are in right now are there solely because they voted for themselves. They are there mostly because I have bumped them with ~3% of the vote from the PTS Angel address.
Thanks for your trust we will make our best!
Consider voting for my delegates that are located in Greece ;)
wallet_approve_delegate greece
wallet_approve_delegate athens
PS I think it is very importand to vote for delegates that are located in different places on the world
So in worst case scenarios like in a world war situation it would be a quite difficult task (if not impossible) to shut BitSharesX off...
Galt,
Yes. Do it soon. I paid 7 BTS yesterday to register, so the price may go up. :)
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:05:56 AM
Galt,
Yes. Do it soon. I paid 7 BTS yesterday to register, so the price may go up. :)
Okay, just not sure how to send it to my delegate account that isn't registered yet.
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:08:34 AM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:05:56 AM
Galt,
Yes. Do it soon. I paid 7 BTS yesterday to register, so the price may go up. :)
Okay, just not sure how to send it to my delegate account that isn't registered yet.
wallet_add_contact_account <account name> <public key>
When I tried to add that key you posted it threw an error though.
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 01:19:39 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:08:34 AM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:05:56 AM
Galt,
Yes. Do it soon. I paid 7 BTS yesterday to register, so the price may go up. :)
Okay, just not sure how to send it to my delegate account that isn't registered yet.
wallet_add_contact_account <account name> <public key>
When I tried to add that key you posted it threw an error though.
Yeah, I got 10 assert exception.
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:22:45 AM
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 01:19:39 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:08:34 AM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:05:56 AM
Galt,
Yes. Do it soon. I paid 7 BTS yesterday to register, so the price may go up. :)
Okay, just not sure how to send it to my delegate account that isn't registered yet.
wallet_add_contact_account <account name> <public key>
When I tried to add that key you posted it threw an error though.
Yeah, I got 10 assert exception.
Same here. The
base58str.substr( 0, prefix_len ) == BTS_ADDRESS_PREFIX:
{"base58str":"XTS76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV"}
bitshares types.cpp:22 public_key_type part of the error leads me to believe that the key is not valid. I would double check it if I was you. If that doesn't work delete that local account (on your linux box) and create a new one.
BTSX76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV adds just fine. Not sure if thats your key though.
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 01:29:18 AM
BTSX76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV adds just fine. Not sure if thats your key though.
Not anymore. blew that away. Now I have: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q
which I also can't add.
Try
wallet_list_my_accounts
does it give you anything?
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:44:56 AM
Try
wallet_list_my_accounts
does it give you anything?
yes, it gives me my account with the key: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q
I'm wondering if I need to open up any ports on my server??
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:43:20 AM
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 01:29:18 AM
BTSX76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV adds just fine. Not sure if thats your key though.
Not anymore. blew that away. Now I have: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q
which I also can't add.
I don't think that's the right set of keys. Try a wallet _ list _ my _ accounts on your Linux box and get the key that way. It should start with BTSX not XTS.
Now that I think of it, did you build the source code from github.com/bitshares/bitshares _ toolkit or from github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx?
you are on the current build?
if all else fails, just register on your windows and then import the private key.
That might merge the two though.
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:49:14 AM
you are on the current build?
if all else fails, just register on your windows and then import the private key.
That might merge the two though.
I used: https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx/blob/master/BUILD_UBUNTU.md
wallet_list_my_accounts shows: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q as the key.
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:50:41 AM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:49:14 AM
you are on the current build?
if all else fails, just register on your windows and then import the private key.
That might merge the two though.
I used: https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx/blob/master/BUILD_UBUNTU.md
Yeah those instructions are no longer correct. replace
git clone https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares_toolkit.git
cd bitshares_toolkit with
git clone https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx.git
cd bitsharesx
git checkout 0.2.1
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:50:41 AM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:49:14 AM
you are on the current build?
if all else fails, just register on your windows and then import the private key.
That might merge the two though.
I used: https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx/blob/master/BUILD_UBUNTU.md
wallet_list_my_accounts shows: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q as the key.
Not sure man. I imported a private key to fund and register my account. There has to be a way to fund without having a genesis stake and importing the privkey. Summon bytemaster.
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 01:57:55 AM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:50:41 AM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 01:49:14 AM
you are on the current build?
if all else fails, just register on your windows and then import the private key.
That might merge the two though.
I used: https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx/blob/master/BUILD_UBUNTU.md
Yeah those instructions are no longer correct. replace git clone https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares_toolkit.git
cd bitshares_toolkit with git clone https://github.com/dacsunlimited/bitsharesx.git
cd bitsharesx
git checkout 0.2.1
Okay, I will git it a try. Maybe that was for dry-run?
Exactly. Love the pun.
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 02:02:09 AM
Exactly. Love the pun.
what about the rest?
cmake .
make
??
Everything else is the same.
git submodule init
git submodule update
cmake .
make
Edited to remove caps my phone threw in because it is stupid.
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 02:12:32 AM
Everything else is the same.
Git submodule init
Git submodule update
Cmake .
Make
Thanks, building now.
As this is building I ponder the fact that the I3 "partnered" with a Hong Kong organization to launch this and am just wondering....and assuming....that running a delegate is okay here in the U.S.?? LOL
Not that I am looking for legal advice or anything...LOL
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 02:27:45 AM
As this is building I ponder the fact that the I3 "partnered" with a Hong Kong organization to launch this and am just wondering....and assuming....that running a delegate is okay here in the U.S.?? LOL
Not that I am looking for legal advice or anything...LOL
(who would have thought that THIS was how they would finally get me!)
Success!! Thanks Puppies and GregGozzzo.
Got it built and registered my account. So good so far.
Now that I have "registered", how do I register as a delegate?
Quote from: bytemaster on July 22, 2014, 12:46:30 AM
Due to low voter turn out our stake is enough to be "king maker" until more people bring their stake on line. The only qualification I am looking for right now is someone who has made a public attempt to engage the community and recrute votes. If someone wants to be a delegate and cannot get the votes then contact me and you will be put in.
That said, if I vote for someone who doesn't perform then I remove my vote and select someone else.
I would love to just remove my stake and let others decide, but there is at least one actor out there with 1.5% of the stake whom I do not trust based upon their attempt to leverage the good names of people in the crypto-community to get votes.
So if someone wants to help increase decentralization then I will vote them in. None of the delegates that are in right now are there solely because they voted for themselves. They are there mostly because I have bumped them with ~3% of the vote from the PTS Angel address.
gotcha!
I will look into setting up a VPS and seeing if I can't delegate myself up.
EDIT: what specs should I be looking for in a VPS? anyone have any recommendations for a good one that accepts bitcoin? anyone super technical willing to help me out if I have questions (i'm sure it'll happen)?
I'm only doing this to help get the network through this initial bootstrapping. I'm not serious as a candidate, but who knows where it could go if it works out.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Virtual_private_server
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 02:51:21 AM
Now that I have "registered", how do I register as a delegate?
Never mind. Finally figured it out.
If you choose to, you can vote for my fledgling delegate that keeps only 5% of fees:
delegate1-galt
Good dedicated server that will hopefully prove to be reliable. In the coming days I will speak to the community more about why you might want to vote for my delegate(s). For now, thanks again for those that helped me get setup and thanks to Bytemaster and his team for build instructions that actually worked! So important and so hard to do!!
ah, how would one test if your proposed delegate actually works?
BTW, any config files need to be set to anything? ports opened?
I see a log file with a lot of this:
Peer 178.62.50.61:1776 is disconnecting us because: I rejected your connection request (hello message ) so I'm disconnecting node.cpp:2119
20140722T122543.695612 th_a read_loop ] disconnected 0 exception: unspecified
Bad file descriptor
{"message":"Bad file descriptor"}
asio asio.cpp:28 read_write_handler
I'm thinking that this is not good....
(just noticed I became a full member during this process. :) )
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:43:20 AM
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 01:29:18 AM
BTSX76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV adds just fine. Not sure if thats your key though.
Not anymore. blew that away. Now I have: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q
which I also can't add.
Looks like you built from the test network code (XTS prefix) and not the dacsunlimited code (BTSX prefix)
Quote from: bytemaster on July 22, 2014, 12:34:49 PM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 01:43:20 AM
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 01:29:18 AM
BTSX76TAEgPBhGNfgkfNjPmzEu31a2kGqYUL2umUFZaSYWi1R57CiV adds just fine. Not sure if thats your key though.
Not anymore. blew that away. Now I have: XTS6v4boE6wB42Lp21tiFZRUc5kDq21UHFKXEhBf9EUJm1dvBNu8q
which I also can't add.
Looks like you built from the test network code (XTS prefix) and not the dacsunlimited code (BTSX prefix)
Yes, i got that fixed and registered delegate1-galt as a delegate. Just not sure if it's all working. I have a log file that shows a lot of this stuff:
Peer 178.62.50.61:1776 is disconnecting us because: I rejected your connection request (hello message ) so I'm disconnecting node.cpp:2119
20140722T122543.695612 th_a read_loop ] disconnected 0 exception: unspecified
Bad file descriptor
{"message":"Bad file descriptor"}
asio asio.cpp:28 read_write_handler
do I need to set config files and/or open any ports?
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
Quote from: emski on July 22, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
I have one delegate and I can't get into the top 101 either. Paying good money for it. Probably cancel it later today.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: emski on July 22, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
I have one delegate and I can't get into the top 101 either. Paying good money for it. Probably cancel it later today.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
Greg what was your delegate ID? I'll vote for you.
Quote from: bytemaster on July 22, 2014, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: emski on July 22, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
I have one delegate and I can't get into the top 101 either. Paying good money for it. Probably cancel it later today.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
Greg what was your delegate ID? I'll vote for you.
skyscraperfarms
Thanks!
Quote from: bytemaster on July 22, 2014, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: emski on July 22, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
I have one delegate and I can't get into the top 101 either. Paying good money for it. Probably cancel it later today.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
Greg what was your delegate ID? I'll vote for you.
How about giving
delegate1-galt a chance to work for you? I just was trying to verify it was working before asking. if he's not good, fire him and I will fix him or build a better delegate!!
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: bytemaster on July 22, 2014, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: emski on July 22, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: bytemaster on July 21, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 21, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
That isn't including any of the initial delegates. And there are still 26 of those. So 6 entities control well over half the delegates.
Maybe you guys want it that way?
This is not looking very decentralized. Especially to any newcomers.
We want 100 unique individuals, but obviously there are not 100 qualified candidates right now. Show me a list with 101 unique individuals ready to operate nodes and I will vote for them all in a minute.
Right now the system is young and is already more decentralized that bitcoin & Ripple.
You are entirely too quick to judge. Look at the DIRECTION it is moving and not where it is. It started out 100% centralized... now you are complaining about 5 people with about 7% control each? And then insinuate that we want centralization? ::)
I have no delegates in top101. I'm ready to operate a node.
You may try voting in some of the delegate(s) hosted by me:
emski
angel-delegate
lotto-delegate
immortal
They have dedicated hardware. Backup internet connection. UPS. SSD.
They proved reliable during dry runs.
I have one delegate and I can't get into the top 101 either. Paying good money for it. Probably cancel it later today.
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
Greg what was your delegate ID? I'll vote for you.
skyscraperfarms
Thanks!
I will vote for you too. (not that my vote does much now :-[ )
delegate1-galt is not registered on the network.
There are some delegates not producing any blocks at right now.
Can you, Bytemaster, swap scroodge for one of them, I worked quite well during dry runs?
I will try to get some polish folks in, with incentives from delegate's paycheck.
Quote from: dxtr on July 22, 2014, 03:49:06 PM
There are some delegates not producing any blocks at right now.
Can you, Bytemaster, swap scroodge for one of them, I worked quite well during dry runs?
I will try to get some polish folks in, with incentives from delegate's paycheck.
there may have been a bug that knocked lots of people off the p2p network.
see:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6003
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 02:57:49 PM
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
that is our, as delegates and users, responsibility.
See:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5933
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=61.0
Quote from: bytemaster on July 22, 2014, 03:19:24 PM
delegate1-galt is not registered on the network.
Does that mean it's not registered? I see it in the directory as a delegate. Is there a special command to "register on the network" or some config/ports that need to be open? I'm thinking maybe some comms issue??
wallet_show_my_accounts
NAME (* delegate) KEY REGISTERED FAVORITE APPROVED BLOCK PRODUCTION ENABLED
delegate1-galt * BTSX7CRAW6ajvXaAUYcbTmahTDzbXiddXzUFXhbKPwZKfz85nKRCtG 2014-07-22T03:24:10 NO 1 YES
get_info
mywallet (unlocked) >>> get_info
{
"blockchain_head_block_num": 28881,
"blockchain_head_block_age": "7 seconds old",
"blockchain_head_block_timestamp": "20140722T162010",
"blockchain_average_delegate_participation": 96.19047619047619,
"blockchain_delegate_pay_rate": 225034,
"blockchain_blocks_left_in_round": 5,
"blockchain_confirmation_requirement": 1,
"blockchain_accumulated_fees": "272,201.52373 BTSX",
"blockchain_share_supply": 199972779829550,
"blockchain_random_seed": "24e42f65289faf1f0764b99fbf6325955adf3a9d",
"blockchain_database_version": 115,
"blockchain_version": 109,
"network_num_connections": 16,
"network_num_connections_max": 100,
"network_protocol_version": 104,
"ntp_time": "20140722T162017",
"ntp_error": 0.00071100000000000004,
"wallet_open": true,
"wallet_unlocked": true,
"wallet_unlocked_until": "44 years in the future",
"wallet_unlocked_until_timestamp": "19230220T101923",
"wallet_block_production_enabled": true,
"wallet_next_block_production_time": null,
"wallet_next_block_production_timestamp": null,
"wallet_version": 100
}
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 05:26:16 PM
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
Strangely my wallet reports your account is not registered as a delegate, just a regular user.
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 05:26:16 PM
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
Voted you back! Mine is probably worth much less than yours but thanks for your help. I want to make sure there are alternatives in the event we have rogue or unethical delegates. I just want to help. I also run TOR relay(s).
I live/work "up the road" from Invictus in Northern Virginia and am more than willing to provide my personal contact info to them to verify who i am and my intentions.
Do I need to open port 41789 ? I saw something listening for p2p connections on that port.
delegate1-galt is that you?
Quote from: bytemaster on July 22, 2014, 05:30:14 PM
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 05:26:16 PM
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
Strangely my wallet reports your account is not registered as a delegate, just a regular user.
My qt_wallet does the same when I look him up under directory, but the console shows him registered and allowed me to vote.
Quote from: maqifrnswa on July 22, 2014, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: GregGozzo on July 22, 2014, 02:57:49 PM
It seems to be ironic that there is a need for unique qualified delegates but there is no way verify the uniqueness or qualifications of any delegate. So I sense a hesitancy to vote for people that aren't already "in".
that is our, as delegates and users, responsibility.
See:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5933
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=61.0
Darwinian natural selection and survival of the fittest - by Design.
:)
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 05:41:08 PM
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 05:26:16 PM
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
Voted you back! Mine is probably worth much less than yours but thanks for your help. I want to make sure there are alternatives in the event we have rogue or unethical delegates. I just want to help. I also run TOR relay(s).
I live/work "up the road" from Invictus in Northern Virginia and am more than willing to provide my personal contact info to them to verify who i am and my intentions.
Do I need to open port 41789 ? I saw something listening for p2p connections on that port.
The ports with these high numbers are due to the automatic upnp.
Quote from: vikram on July 22, 2014, 06:33:41 PM
Quote from: GaltReport on July 22, 2014, 05:41:08 PM
Quote from: puppies on July 22, 2014, 05:26:16 PM
I voted for you galt. Sadly (or not depending on how you look at it) it would take roughly 10000 times my stake level to elect you.
Voted you back! Mine is probably worth much less than yours but thanks for your help. I want to make sure there are alternatives in the event we have rogue or unethical delegates. I just want to help. I also run TOR relay(s).
I live/work "up the road" from Invictus in Northern Virginia and am more than willing to provide my personal contact info to them to verify who i am and my intentions.
Do I need to open port 41789 ? I saw something listening for p2p connections on that port.
The ports with these high numbers are due to the automatic upnp.
so no need to specifically open any ports or startup options for the client? (I guess that is the purpose of 'automatic'?)
oh, looks like it's working!! I will endeavor to keep it running!! Thanks to all. I'm willing to run more delegates if it helps.
If you are interested in where I am coming from, you can checkout my website listed in my profile.
Take my word for it,
I've seen the beast and engaged in (legal) battle with it. So far, I've survived....