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Title: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: her0 on October 23, 2014, 12:30:28 am
真的是有点掩耳盗铃的意思了,合并了这几个dac你就能保证其他的dac里面不出bitUSD吗?明显不能,music没合并吧,未来出dac的人会放弃发行bitusd吗?想当然了! 而且把所有功能做到一个链上的弊端也显而易见。数据膨胀更快,代码更复杂更多的漏洞,更容易受到攻击。而且养独儿子的风险也更大,万一独儿子得了癌症咋办呀?
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: KyLin on October 23, 2014, 12:46:52 am
合并是为了BTS的长远发展,希望大家正确看待!
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: 00091lacer on October 23, 2014, 12:50:29 am
合并是为了BTS的长远发展,希望大家正确看待!
我看未必,很多人看是,但是就目前BM那边出尔反尔的态度,可以看出为其人如何,即使能把合并后的BTS一波流推向高潮,维持高价位也不长久。有了这次合并的做法肯定还会有下一次类似的做法,到时候肯定还有一波人分裂出去,搞不好下一次你也成了反对他的一员。
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: zhao150 on October 23, 2014, 12:53:19 am
her0是为数不多的,几个元老级别玩bts的,又敢说真话的汉子。
her0跟log以前是是一个等级的,就是因为her0敢说真话,一直被bts死忠排挤。
log的地位越来越高,就是因为他对bm的所有决定都叫好。
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: bitshares on October 23, 2014, 01:55:28 am
POS 一定完蛋 ! 中心化天生原罪!
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: shuiwuhun on October 23, 2014, 02:05:26 am
合并是为了BTS的长远发展,希望大家正确看待!
我看未必,很多人看是,但是就目前BM那边出尔反尔的态度,可以看出为其人如何,即使能把合并后的BTS一波流推向高潮,维持高价位也不长久。有了这次合并的做法肯定还会有下一次类似的做法,到时候肯定还有一波人分裂出去,搞不好下一次你也成了反对他的一员。

BTS脑残粉就是一帮乌合之众,早晚一个一个被收割掉。
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: su573895191 on October 23, 2014, 02:19:24 am
her0,顶你。合并问题更多。合并就是带着大家一起死,如果不合并,就算BTSX死了,其它DAC还会活得好好得,不会全死。
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: hansonwcn on October 23, 2014, 02:45:06 am
你们应该说英语去沟通只懂英语的bm,都聊的好像bm是中国人似的,这样自言自语哪个开发组成员看得到。
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: cranecpa on October 23, 2014, 02:48:06 am
BM丢失了民心。
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: Musewhale on October 23, 2014, 02:52:30 am
BTS好啊,五百刀,妥妥的  8)
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: Harvey on October 23, 2014, 01:22:32 pm
别玩了 清仓吧
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: networker on October 23, 2014, 01:28:48 pm
留了BTS,等涨起来砸了它!
为所有的PTS和DNS牺牲的报仇!
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: servicelabs on October 23, 2014, 01:39:24 pm
留了BTS,等涨起来砸了它!
为所有的PTS和DNS牺牲的报仇!
留了的怕不够砸,所以我多收一点回来备着
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: crzme on October 23, 2014, 02:15:30 pm
I3的编程能力大家也看到了,之前宣称用C为了性能,结果后来前端还不是用js,卡的要死,难以想象以后功能合并后臃肿的BTS是怎样的一个垃圾工程
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: 00091lacer on October 23, 2014, 03:05:43 pm
BTS好啊,五百刀,妥妥的  8)
对!五百刀,妥妥的,BTS总市值 会跌到500刀妥妥的  :D
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: trytinysmart on October 23, 2014, 03:54:20 pm
使用 web 技术,是为了前期快速迭代,适应不同需求,应变能力快,目前看来是未优化而已(js 没你想的那么慢)。如果需求稳定,那是时候启用原生开发了。

I3的编程能力大家也看到了,之前宣称用C为了性能,结果后来前端还不是用js,卡的要死,难以想象以后功能合并后臃肿的BTS是怎样的一个垃圾工程
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: hiver on October 23, 2014, 04:35:05 pm
BTS好啊,五百刀,妥妥的  8)
对!五百刀,妥妥的,BTS总市值 会跌到500刀妥妥的  :D
透过这句话,看见了熊的眼泪又一次掉下来。 :)
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: bigcat on October 23, 2014, 06:31:33 pm
如果合并对BTS有害,像BM那么聪明的人会选择做这种吃力不讨好的事吗?当然是因为他认识到合并才能最大程度的发挥每个DAC的效能,达到共赢的局面。BM的提议经常会造成很大的争议,但是无一例外都是对BTS有益的。当初有多少人说BM画饼,人家还是把东西做出来了。BTS不是一般的山寨币可以比的,所以争议也会特别多。这有这样才能从众多山寨中脱颖而出。
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: cranecpa on October 24, 2014, 01:53:42 am
如果合并对BTS有害,像BM那么聪明的人会选择做这种吃力不讨好的事吗?当然是因为他认识到合并才能最大程度的发挥每个DAC的效能,达到共赢的局面。BM的提议经常会造成很大的争议,但是无一例外都是对BTS有益的。当初有多少人说BM画饼,人家还是把东西做出来了。BTS不是一般的山寨币可以比的,所以争议也会特别多。这有这样才能从众多山寨中脱颖而出。
BM是神吗?BM每一决定都是对的吗?
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: Stan on October 24, 2014, 02:03:06 am
如果合并对BTS有害,像BM那么聪明的人会选择做这种吃力不讨好的事吗?当然是因为他认识到合并才能最大程度的发挥每个DAC的效能,达到共赢的局面。BM的提议经常会造成很大的争议,但是无一例外都是对BTS有益的。当初有多少人说BM画饼,人家还是把东西做出来了。BTS不是一般的山寨币可以比的,所以争议也会特别多。这有这样才能从众多山寨中脱颖而出。
BM是神吗?BM每一决定都是对的吗?

Not every decision is perfect, but I would rather trust his track record and judgement than follow the opinion of someone picked at random from the street who is not developing a revolutionary new crypto industry.  Would't you?   :)

Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: chamme on October 24, 2014, 02:28:54 am
如果合并对BTS有害,像BM那么聪明的人会选择做这种吃力不讨好的事吗?当然是因为他认识到合并才能最大程度的发挥每个DAC的效能,达到共赢的局面。BM的提议经常会造成很大的争议,但是无一例外都是对BTS有益的。当初有多少人说BM画饼,人家还是把东西做出来了。BTS不是一般的山寨币可以比的,所以争议也会特别多。这有这样才能从众多山寨中脱颖而出。
BM是神吗?BM每一决定都是对的吗?

Not every decision is perfect, but I would rather trust his track record and judgement than follow the opinion of someone picked at random from the street who is not developing a revolutionary new crypto industry.  Would't you?   :)

fair enough
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: 小宝马2014 on October 24, 2014, 02:39:32 am
如果合并对BTS有害,像BM那么聪明的人会选择做这种吃力不讨好的事吗?当然是因为他认识到合并才能最大程度的发挥每个DAC的效能,达到共赢的局面。BM的提议经常会造成很大的争议,但是无一例外都是对BTS有益的。当初有多少人说BM画饼,人家还是把东西做出来了。BTS不是一般的山寨币可以比的,所以争议也会特别多。这有这样才能从众多山寨中脱颖而出。
BM是神吗?BM每一决定都是对的吗?

Not every decision is perfect, but I would rather trust his track record and judgement than follow the opinion of someone picked at random from the street who is not developing a revolutionary new crypto industry.  Would't you?   :)

We believe that the pts and dns should not be locked, Please reconsider our opinions.
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: Stan on October 24, 2014, 02:58:37 am
如果合并对BTS有害,像BM那么聪明的人会选择做这种吃力不讨好的事吗?当然是因为他认识到合并才能最大程度的发挥每个DAC的效能,达到共赢的局面。BM的提议经常会造成很大的争议,但是无一例外都是对BTS有益的。当初有多少人说BM画饼,人家还是把东西做出来了。BTS不是一般的山寨币可以比的,所以争议也会特别多。这有这样才能从众多山寨中脱颖而出。
BM是神吗?BM每一决定都是对的吗?





Not every decision is perfect, but I would rather trust his track record and judgement than follow the opinion of someone picked at random from the street who is not developing a revolutionary new crypto industry.  Would't you?   :)

We believe that the pts and dns should not be locked, Please reconsider our opinions.

Yes, I hate that too.
But remember when we first started talking about the benefits of the self-funding model?
Many BTSX holders did not want to consider dilution,
even when it was really Net Value Infusion.
So to achieve the merger, we had to consider their concerns too.

We wanted to avoid great discontinuities in share count.
We needed to let the new shares come in gradually to avoid market transients.
We set a max limit of 50 BTS per block for all purposes.
Remember Bitcoin's 50 BTC per block?
Then we could point out to everyone the similar precedent for Bitcoin
And how much better it is
for BitShares to buy value while Bitcoin burns value.

PTS and DNS were on track to add value to the industry over the coming years.
So the shares that represent that value must phase in over a similar period.

Value infusion rate must exceed share release rate
so share value will grow for everyone

It is such a balancing challenge.
So many factors needed to be considered.
We try to make everyone equally unhappy.
And everyone very rich.

:)


Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: 小宝马2014 on October 24, 2014, 06:35:48 am
如果合并对BTS有害,像BM那么聪明的人会选择做这种吃力不讨好的事吗?当然是因为他认识到合并才能最大程度的发挥每个DAC的效能,达到共赢的局面。BM的提议经常会造成很大的争议,但是无一例外都是对BTS有益的。当初有多少人说BM画饼,人家还是把东西做出来了。BTS不是一般的山寨币可以比的,所以争议也会特别多。这有这样才能从众多山寨中脱颖而出。
BM是神吗?BM每一决定都是对的吗?





Not every decision is perfect, but I would rather trust his track record and judgement than follow the opinion of someone picked at random from the street who is not developing a revolutionary new crypto industry.  Would't you?   :)

We believe that the pts and dns should not be locked, Please reconsider our opinions.

Yes, I hate that too.
But remember when we first started talking about the benefits of the self-funding model?
Many BTSX holders did not want to consider dilution,
even when it was really Net Value Infusion.
So to achieve the merger, we had to consider their concerns too.

We wanted to avoid great discontinuities in share count.
We needed to let the new shares come in gradually to avoid market transients.
We set a max limit of 50 BTS per block for all purposes.
Remember Bitcoin's 50 BTC per block?
Then we could point out to everyone the similar precedent for Bitcoin
And how much better it is
for BitShares to buy value while Bitcoin burns value.

PTS and DNS were on track to add value to the industry over the coming years.
So the shares that represent that value must phase in over a similar period.

Value infusion rate must exceed share release rate
so share value will grow for everyone

It is such a balancing challenge.
So many factors needed to be considered.
We try to make everyone equally unhappy.
And everyone very rich.

:)

may be you are right, Take out your action to prove you are right. Please remember your promise that We will benefit. I believe you
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: cranecpa on October 24, 2014, 09:28:37 am
如果合并对BTS有害,像BM那么聪明的人会选择做这种吃力不讨好的事吗?当然是因为他认识到合并才能最大程度的发挥每个DAC的效能,达到共赢的局面。BM的提议经常会造成很大的争议,但是无一例外都是对BTS有益的。当初有多少人说BM画饼,人家还是把东西做出来了。BTS不是一般的山寨币可以比的,所以争议也会特别多。这有这样才能从众多山寨中脱颖而出。
BM是神吗?BM每一决定都是对的吗?

Not every decision is perfect, but I would rather trust his track record and judgement than follow the opinion of someone picked at random from the street who is not developing a revolutionary new crypto industry.  Would't you?   :)
你是让我们盲目崇拜成功者吗?巴菲特和查理芒格不认可比特币,是不是大家都不要玩比特币了?
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: her0 on October 24, 2014, 03:35:58 pm
合并收购,然后一个庞大臃肿的区块链最终要么胖死,要么再分家。如果坚持出来一个新的创意就收购或者fork过来的话。最终不是一个去中心化的结果与dac的精神完全背道而驰。 想想btc的侧链吧,btc正要各种功能的侧链独立运作让资金自由流动,会最终形成百花齐放百家争鸣的繁荣生态圈。bts合并极大的可能会被证明是一个昏招。 music这样的dac 以及其他的dac不会放弃bitUSD的发行权,完全有可能倒向btc,作为btc的一个侧链,带着bts的所有优势投奔了btc的怀抱。
Title: Re: 自欺欺人的合并,又一次掩耳盗铃。
Post by: 00091lacer on October 24, 2014, 04:20:19 pm
合并收购,然后一个庞大臃肿的区块链最终要么胖死,要么再分家。如果坚持出来一个新的创意就收购或者fork过来的话。最终不是一个去中心化的结果与dac的精神完全背道而驰。 想想btc的侧链吧,btc正要各种功能的侧链独立运作让资金自由流动,会最终形成百花齐放百家争鸣的繁荣生态圈。bts合并极大的可能会被证明是一个昏招。 music这样的dac 以及其他的dac不会放弃bitUSD的发行权,完全有可能倒向btc,作为btc的一个侧链,带着bts的所有优势投奔了btc的怀抱。
说实话,这次BTSx把自己唯一的有价值的精神给消耗了,即使能再次推上高潮估计也差不多了。这次BTSX真是自己把自己玩死了