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Title: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 10, 2014, 10:20:33 pm
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BitShares/bitshares/sharedrop_revisions/libraries/blockchain/genesis.json
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/blob/master/libraries/blockchain/genesis.json?raw=true

It would be nice if someone made one of those tools we saw for DNS or VOTE.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: clayop on November 10, 2014, 10:44:42 pm
Does this include claimed DNS shares? My DNS account key is not shown in the file.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 10, 2014, 11:02:14 pm
Yes it has DNS. Answered your PM: You need to look up the balance addresses, not your account key. Your account key's derived PTS address will have funds only for delegate pay.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: clayop on November 10, 2014, 11:22:41 pm
Thanks toast. My balance is confirmed (2% lower than expected  :-[ but it's OK  8))
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 10, 2014, 11:24:51 pm
Thanks toast. My balance is confirmed (2% lower than expected  :-[ but it's OK  8))

PM me the details
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: zerosum on November 10, 2014, 11:57:47 pm
Yes it has DNS. Answered your PM: You need to look up the balance addresses, not your account key. Your account key's derived PTS address will have funds only for delegate pay.

It will be quite useful [especially for the more stupid of us, like myself] if someone posted the command to get this balance addresses.
Thanks
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: donkeypong on November 11, 2014, 12:58:21 am
I'm sorry, but can you remind us non-techies what we're looking at there when we see a number? This includes AGS? PTS? BTS? And by what do we need to divide the number to estimate our allocations? In the example below, what would be the actual balance? Thanks.

For example (random, not mine):

 "raw_address": "12Yd8XtcKX5d2AsB9buhkw4oWwMKczMjqW",
            "balance": 12563586210
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: JWF on November 11, 2014, 01:04:44 am
I'm sorry, but can you remind us non-techies what we're looking at there when we see a number? This includes AGS? PTS? BTS? And by what do we need to divide the number to estimate our allocations? In the example below, what would be the actual balance? Thanks.

For example (random, not mine):

 "raw_address": "12Yd8XtcKX5d2AsB9buhkw4oWwMKczMjqW",
            "balance": 12563.586210

I'm pretty sure you need to do 6 decimal places to the above...  At least that looked right for my balances. And each of the instances of the address would be different snapshots I'm presuming.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: clayop on November 11, 2014, 01:13:10 am
I'm pretty sure you need to do 6 decimal places to the above...  At least that looked right for my balances. And each of the instances of the address would be different snapshots I'm presuming.

8 decimal I think.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: mavisjames on November 11, 2014, 01:16:21 am
I'm pretty sure you need to do 6 decimal places to the above...  At least that looked right for my balances. And each of the instances of the address would be different snapshots I'm presuming.

8 decimal I think.

Toast can we get a clear answer on this? What are we dividing numbers by
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: zerosum on November 11, 2014, 01:19:15 am
I'm sorry, but can you remind us non-techies what we're looking at there when we see a number? This includes AGS? PTS? BTS? And by what do we need to divide the number to estimate our allocations? In the example below, what would be the actual balance? Thanks.

For example (random, not mine):

 "raw_address": "12Yd8XtcKX5d2AsB9buhkw4oWwMKczMjqW",
            "balance": 12563.586210

I'm pretty sure you need to do 6 decimal places to the above...  At least that looked right for my balances. And each of the instances of the address would be different snapshots I'm presuming.

Yes, 6 places will make me a fat rich man, so it is 8 dec. places...[to say nothing that  'N/10^8' is producing the exact expected results for AGS and VOTE for the accounts I have checked]

So, again on my main question above - what is the command to see if the 74.04 BTS (aka $1.50 vesting over 2 years)  I am supposed to get for holding DNS were correctly credited.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: roadscape on November 11, 2014, 01:33:41 am
I'm sorry, but can you remind us non-techies what we're looking at there when we see a number? This includes AGS? PTS? BTS? And by what do we need to divide the number to estimate our allocations? In the example below, what would be the actual balance? Thanks.

For example (random, not mine):

 "raw_address": "12Yd8XtcKX5d2AsB9buhkw4oWwMKczMjqW",
            "balance": 12563.586210

I'm pretty sure you need to do 6 decimal places to the above...  At least that looked right for my balances. And each of the instances of the address would be different snapshots I'm presuming.

Yes, 6 places will make me a fat rich man, so it is 8 dec. places...[to say nothing that  'N/10^8' is producing the exact expected results for AGS and VOTE for the accounts I have checked]

So, again on my main question above - what is the command to see if the 74.04 BTS (aka $1.50 vesting over 2 years)  I am supposed to get for holding DNS were correctly credited.

wallet_account_list_public_keys accountname -- the address you are looking for is in the native_address field
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: zerosum on November 11, 2014, 02:36:09 am
I'm sorry, but can you remind us non-techies what we're looking at there when we see a number? This includes AGS? PTS? BTS? And by what do we need to divide the number to estimate our allocations? In the example below, what would be the actual balance? Thanks.

For example (random, not mine):

 "raw_address": "12Yd8XtcKX5d2AsB9buhkw4oWwMKczMjqW",
            "balance": 12563.586210

I'm pretty sure you need to do 6 decimal places to the above...  At least that looked right for my balances. And each of the instances of the address would be different snapshots I'm presuming.

Yes, 6 places will make me a fat rich man, so it is 8 dec. places...[to say nothing that  'N/10^8' is producing the exact expected results for AGS and VOTE for the accounts I have checked]

So, again on my main question above - what is the command to see if the 74.04 BTS (aka $1.50 vesting over 2 years)  I am supposed to get for holding DNS were correctly credited.

wallet_account_list_public_keys accountname -- the address you are looking for is in the native_address field

Thank you roadkill !

--------

VOTE and AGS are precise for me at least to 2 decimal points.

DNS result in more BTS than expected.
expected between:
75 Million BTS / 4 Billion  DNS        ==> 0.01875       BTS/ DNS
75 Million BTS / 4.05 Billion  DNS   ==> 0.018518519 BTS/ DNS

Actual proposed allocation   0.023710309 BTS/ DNS  about 26% more than expected.

 [do you  want me to PM your the native address or some other info, toast? ]

 
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on November 11, 2014, 03:09:49 am
For each PTS address, there are two different balances, what are they? I guess one is PTS/AGS balance, the other one is DNS balance, then what about VOTE?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: betax on November 11, 2014, 02:46:25 pm
Updated bitbalance, let me know what you think

 https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/

Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: fluxer555 on November 11, 2014, 08:09:24 pm
Nice, but change where it says "500 million"
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: serejandmyself on November 11, 2014, 09:08:06 pm
dont seem to work....
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: biophil on November 11, 2014, 09:23:48 pm
I take it this is only for the Nov 5 snapshot, and it doesn't include the AGS rescue funds that I3 is giving people who had non-genesis balance during BM's announcement.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 11, 2014, 09:46:46 pm
I take it this is only for the Nov 5 snapshot, and it doesn't include the AGS rescue funds that I3 is giving people who had non-genesis balance during BM's announcement.

This should have everything.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: zerosum on November 11, 2014, 10:37:37 pm
I take it this is only for the Nov 5 snapshot, and it doesn't include the AGS rescue funds that I3 is giving people who had non-genesis balance during BM's announcement.

This should have everything.

Mine does not reflect any amount for having claimed DNS during the BM's announcement. What cut off time did you use? I transferred my DNS minutes after the post [10/21/2014  12:24:11 CDT]
All this for correctness sake, as I have said I do not deserve that bonus anyway.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 11, 2014, 10:39:54 pm
I take it this is only for the Nov 5 snapshot, and it doesn't include the AGS rescue funds that I3 is giving people who had non-genesis balance during BM's announcement.

This should have everything.

Mine does not reflect any amount for having claimed DNS during the BM's announcement. What cut off time did you use? I transferred my DNS minutes after the post [10/21/2014  12:24:11 CDT]
All this for correctness sake, as I have said I do not deserve that bonus anyway.

Snapshot was seconds before the post.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: zerosum on November 11, 2014, 10:52:58 pm
I take it this is only for the Nov 5 snapshot, and it doesn't include the AGS rescue funds that I3 is giving people who had non-genesis balance during BM's announcement.

This should have everything.


Mine does not reflect any amount for having claimed DNS during the BM's announcement. What cut off time did you use? I transferred my DNS minutes after the post [10/21/2014  12:24:11 CDT]
All this for correctness sake, as I have said I do not deserve that bonus anyway.

Snapshot was seconds before the post.

(http://i.imgur.com/16Z6kJ3.png)

The rest of the info is in the PM I sent you.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: biophil on November 12, 2014, 02:08:25 am
I take it this is only for the Nov 5 snapshot, and it doesn't include the AGS rescue funds that I3 is giving people who had non-genesis balance during BM's announcement.

This should have everything.

Mine does not reflect any amount for having claimed DNS during the BM's announcement. What cut off time did you use? I transferred my DNS minutes after the post [10/21/2014  12:24:11 CDT]
All this for correctness sake, as I have said I do not deserve that bonus anyway.

Snapshot was seconds before the post.

I transferred mine many minutes after the post, and got zilch according to this snapshot tool.

Sent from my SCH-S720C using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 12, 2014, 03:10:05 am
I take it this is only for the Nov 5 snapshot, and it doesn't include the AGS rescue funds that I3 is giving people who had non-genesis balance during BM's announcement.

This should have everything.

Mine does not reflect any amount for having claimed DNS during the BM's announcement. What cut off time did you use? I transferred my DNS minutes after the post [10/21/2014  12:24:11 CDT]
All this for correctness sake, as I have said I do not deserve that bonus anyway.

Snapshot was seconds before the post.

I transferred mine many minutes after the post, and got zilch according to this snapshot tool.

Sent from my SCH-S720C using Tapatalk 2

Right, so since you hadn't claimed it yet you didn't get extra
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: zerosum on November 12, 2014, 03:19:53 am

I do not understand this response toast as much as I do not understand the PM you sent me.

Anyway I will not try to break my mind over the 5 bucks difference, any longer. And will go on back to trying to make BTER dot com to return my 70K BTSX that they claim they have not received.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: clayop on November 12, 2014, 03:42:27 am
Sorry for off-topic, but anyone knows how to import DNS wallet into new BTS client to claim vesting shares?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: biophil on November 12, 2014, 06:09:45 am
I take it this is only for the Nov 5 snapshot, and it doesn't include the AGS rescue funds that I3 is giving people who had non-genesis balance during BM's announcement.

This should have everything.

Mine does not reflect any amount for having claimed DNS during the BM's announcement. What cut off time did you use? I transferred my DNS minutes after the post [10/21/2014  12:24:11 CDT]
All this for correctness sake, as I have said I do not deserve that bonus anyway.

Snapshot was seconds before the post.

I transferred mine many minutes after the post, and got zilch according to this snapshot tool.

Sent from my SCH-S720C using Tapatalk 2

Right, so since you hadn't claimed it yet you didn't get extra

No, it wasn't in the genesis block. I had moved it around a ton for voting, speculation, etc.

Sent from my SCH-S720C using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: betax on November 12, 2014, 06:50:49 am
dont seem to work....

Changed so it works now on IE, only worked on Chrome before.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: betax on November 12, 2014, 07:02:57 am
Toast I have added all the raw amounts and is a total of 499012499.99964666, is this correct? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: svk on November 12, 2014, 09:11:18 am
Toast I have added all the raw amounts and is a total of 499012499.99964666, is this correct? Am I missing something?

I get almost exactly the same value so I think it's correct. I've added it to the BTS genesis page as well, it's using the genesis json from the final release.

Code: [Select]
AGS+PTS+DNS+VOTE sharedrop:499,002,519.62 BTS
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 12, 2014, 11:23:29 am
I ran into problem checking my allocation. 'wallet_account_list_public_keys' returns a lot of public keys (>100).
I tried to manually crosscheck some keys, but haven't found a reference/a mention into the genesis file.

Then I tried to map the account balance to the keys, but did not manage to.
I guess 'wallet_account_balance_ids'  didn't do what I thought it would, or at least I could not use the keys as reference to map it to the keys I could use to check the allocation.

synopsis:

- An account with about ten transactions in total has a lot of keys which seem not to be part of the genesis file.
- Is it possible that most of the keys don't hold a balance and why?
- How can I identify the keys that hold a balance?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: betax on November 12, 2014, 11:47:57 am
Check my tool, just copy and paste all the output.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: xeroc on November 12, 2014, 11:52:13 am
I ran into problem checking my allocation. 'wallet_account_list_public_keys' returns a lot of public keys (>100).
I tried to manually crosscheck some keys, but haven't found a reference/a mention into the genesis file.

Then I tried to map the account balance to the keys, but did not manage to.
I guess 'wallet_account_balance_ids'  didn't do what I thought it would, or at least I could not use the keys as reference to map it to the keys I could use to check the allocation.

synopsis:

- An account with about ten transactions in total has a lot of keys which seem not to be part of the genesis file.
- Is it possible that most of the keys don't hold a balance and why?
- How can I identify the keys that hold a balance?

Thanks in advance!

You have got the balances from initially importing your PTS/BTC AGS wallet.dat
file? or from an exchange?

Which genesis stake are we talking here? Are we talking the very initial genesis
at block height 1 or are we talking the second genesis that airdropps to
VOTE/DNS/PTS/AGS?

wallet_account_balance_ids gives all addresses that contain a nonzero-balance

wallet_account_list_public_keys gives all keys that are known to you wallet,
either you have them imported initially or they have been derived for your
TITAN addresses
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 12, 2014, 12:39:38 pm
You have got the balances from initially importing your PTS/BTC AGS wallet.dat
file? or from an exchange?
From an exchange (DNS transferred a couple of days before the announcement)

Which genesis stake are we talking here? Are we talking the very initial genesis
at block height 1 or are we talking the second genesis that airdropps to
VOTE/DNS/PTS/AGS?
about the sharedrop allocation this thread is about. (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BitShares/bitshares/sharedrop_revisions/libraries/blockchain/genesis.json)

wallet_account_balance_ids gives all addresses that contain a nonzero-balance

How can I match these addresses to the keys (or the addresses I need to check the allocation)?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: xeroc on November 12, 2014, 12:53:30 pm
Which genesis stake are we talking here? Are we talking the very initial genesis
at block height 1 or are we talking the second genesis that airdropps to
VOTE/DNS/PTS/AGS?
about the sharedrop allocation this thread is about. (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BitShares/bitshares/sharedrop_revisions/libraries/blockchain/genesis.json)

wallet_account_balance_ids gives all addresses that contain a nonzero-balance

How can I match these addresses to the keys (or the addresses I need to check the allocation)?

From the release notes: https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/releases

Quote

    Candidate sharedrop vesting balances are available for manual review using the console command wallet_check_sharedrop
        Vesting balances will not be available for withdrawal until finalized in a later required upgrade

So you are searching for the command:

wallet_check_sharedrop

Haven't checked what it does yet .. haven't had time ..

edit: seems the command returns empty strings .. (at least over here) .. maybe you need to wait for the hardfork today
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 12, 2014, 01:39:26 pm
@xeroc: thanks but unfortunately that doesn't help much. I am using the DNS client to retrieve the keys as these are DNS balances.

Unless the client produces a lot of keys that do not 'hold' any DNS, my keys seem not to be part of the allocation as mentioned in the OP.
So either I missed something or there seems to be a problem.

I will export all the keys or increase the scroll buffer ;) to check every single key (by script) tonight.
Just was wondering that there are so many keys that are not in the genesis file.

If anyone knows an easy way to check if/how much a public key 'holds' please let me know.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: xeroc on November 12, 2014, 01:55:30 pm
@xeroc: thanks but unfortunately that doesn't help much. I am using the DNS client to retrieve the keys as these are DNS balances.

Unless the client produces a lot of keys that do not 'hold' any DNS, my keys seem not to be part of the allocation as mentioned in the OP.
So either I missed something or there seems to be a problem.

I will export all the keys or increase the scroll buffer ;) to check every single key (by script) tonight.
Just was wondering that there are so many keys that are not in the genesis file.

If anyone knows an easy way to check if/how much a public key 'holds' please let me know.

I don't think what you are doing is required ..

in your keyid wallet folder (something like "%APPDATA/KeyId" .. or so) .. there is a wallets folder that should contain the "default" wallet.
rename it to walletkeyid and copy it into the wallets folders of BitShares ("%APPDATA%/BitShares/wallets")

In the CLI of bitshares you can simply open up the second wallet with "wallet_open walletkeyid" and take a look at your vested funds.

I hope the devs are working on a nice way to do this with the GUI too
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: vegolino on November 12, 2014, 01:56:54 pm
Hi I just used "wallet_check_sharedrop" in new client and numbers are huge.
 Does anybody knows where decimal place should be? Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 12, 2014, 01:59:48 pm
Just wanted to help to check if the allocation is right :)
I am happy with the CLI btw.

I will import the keys in the new bitshares_client tonight and see if it worked.
Thanks for helping out, will keep you posted if everything worked.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: xeroc on November 12, 2014, 02:00:51 pm
Hi I just used "wallet_check_sharedrop" in new client and numbers are huge.
 Does anybody knows where decimal place should be? Thanks  :)

BTS has precision 10^5 ... so you may need to move the (nonexisting) dot FIVE positions to the left :)
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: vegolino on November 12, 2014, 02:08:24 pm
Thanks xeroc  :)
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: vikram on November 12, 2014, 05:15:29 pm
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BitShares/bitshares/sharedrop_revisions/libraries/blockchain/genesis.json

It would be nice if someone made one of those tools we saw for DNS or VOTE.

You need to link to a particular commit for these files--not a link to a page that will keep changing.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: skystone on November 14, 2014, 06:20:30 am
I use the wallet_account_list_public_key command, but find out that none of the address have balance,who can help me?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: clayop on November 14, 2014, 06:31:28 am
I use the wallet_account_list_public_key command, but find out that none of the address have balance,who can help me?

Use this
https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: pc on November 14, 2014, 09:08:17 am
Could you recap what I should expect?

According to https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10844.0 I'd expect

~99.27 BTS per PTS @ BTS-snapshot (175,000,000 / 1,762,887)
~13.24 BTS per PTS @ VOTE-snapshot (22,500,000 / 1,698,798)
~.0175 BTS per DNS @ BTS-snapshot ((35,000,000 + 35,000,000) / 4,000,000,000)
+some additional BTS for DNS moved from the genesis block before the announcement

I don't have any AGS.

What I see when I put my keys (using listaddressgroupings + wallet_account_list_public_keys) into https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/ is

~99.27 BTS per PTS @ BTS-snapshot
~5.79 BTS per PTS @ VOTE-snapshot
~0.0186 BTS per DNS @ BTS-snapshot
~0.0012 BTS per DNS @ BTS-snapshot

So PTS @ VOTE looks broken to me, and I don't understand the DNS @ BTS-snapshot numbers.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: Gentso1 on November 14, 2014, 04:18:50 pm
ok so I put wallet_check_sharedrop

Got a few different addys with varying amounts.

I moved the decimal over 5 spaces for all the numbers returned.

I am a ags and bts holder all though I did have some pts way back when.

I added all the numbers up and it is roughly half of what I have in bts alone...

I cross checked it with https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/ (https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/) thanks a bunch supper useful tool.
The tool spits out 2 number Total:
xxxxxx of share drop
Sharedrop Total : xxxxxxxxx

I am guessing the share drop is the amount I get over the two years.
If thats true sharedrop total represents the share drop(2yr) and the amount I get on day one to play with.
So if I subtract the 2 numbers It shows me my day one play with amount, Correct?


 
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: betax on November 14, 2014, 04:30:27 pm
Sharedrop Total :  499012499.99964666 is the total of all the amounts in the sharedrop genesis (nearly 500 million, don't ask me why is not 500m, I guess the difference will go to Vote founders). I added it for information.


xxxxxx of share drop. That is the total amount of the addresses you have input, and yes that is what you will receive in 2 years.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: Gentso1 on November 14, 2014, 04:57:49 pm
Sharedrop Total :  499012499.99964666 is the total of all the amounts in the sharedrop genesis (nearly 500 million, don't ask me why is not 500m, I guess the difference will go to Vote founders). I added it for information.


xxxxxx of share drop. That is the total amount of the addresses you have input, and yes that is what you will receive in 2 years.

lol I was just looking at that not sure what I was thinking or not thinking when I posted.

Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 14, 2014, 05:06:37 pm
Sharedrop Total :  499012499.99964666 is the total of all the amounts in the sharedrop genesis (nearly 500 million, don't ask me why is not 500m, I guess the difference will go to Vote founders). I added it for information.

No, that's the real drop amount. Lots of stake was excluded (DNS dev fund, AGS accounts)
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: betax on November 15, 2014, 11:06:23 am
Sharedrop Total :  499012499.99964666 is the total of all the amounts in the sharedrop genesis (nearly 500 million, don't ask me why is not 500m, I guess the difference will go to Vote founders). I added it for information.

No, that's the real drop amount. Lots of stake was excluded (DNS dev fund, AGS accounts)

Thanks toast that makes sense now
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bitmeat on November 15, 2014, 02:05:24 pm
Updated bitbalance, let me know what you think

 https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/

So, is this tool correct? I am seeing 3 times the amount here, compared to the amount in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BitShares/bitshares/sharedrop_revisions/libraries/blockchain/genesis.json

And I'm also assuming this snapshot has taken place?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 15, 2014, 02:18:02 pm
I forgot to update the OP when the genesis.json changed.

Here's the real thing:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/blob/master/libraries/blockchain/genesis_bts.json?raw=true
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bitmeat on November 15, 2014, 02:23:33 pm
Updated bitbalance, let me know what you think

 https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/

So, is this tool correct? I am seeing 3 times the amount here, compared to the amount in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BitShares/bitshares/sharedrop_revisions/libraries/blockchain/genesis.json

And I'm also assuming this snapshot has taken place?

Nevermind, I see the balances appear for the same addresses in the genesis more than once, so this is correct.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bitmeat on November 15, 2014, 02:47:44 pm
I forgot to update the OP when the genesis.json changed.

Here's the real thing:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/blob/master/libraries/blockchain/genesis_bts.json?raw=true

Your link didn't work for me, but this one did:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BitShares/bitshares/master/libraries/blockchain/genesis_bts.json
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: pc on November 15, 2014, 05:15:22 pm
I forgot to update the OP when the genesis.json changed.

Here's the real thing:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/blob/master/libraries/blockchain/genesis_bts.json?raw=true

I see the same numbers I saw yesterday. I. e. I'd have expected more BTS for my PTS @ VOTE-snapshot. Again, what should I expect?

Could you recap what I should expect?

According to https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10844.0 I'd expect

~99.27 BTS per PTS @ BTS-snapshot (175,000,000 / 1,762,887)
~13.24 BTS per PTS @ VOTE-snapshot (22,500,000 / 1,698,798)
~.0175 BTS per DNS @ BTS-snapshot ((35,000,000 + 35,000,000) / 4,000,000,000)
+some additional BTS for DNS moved from the genesis block before the announcement

I don't have any AGS.

What I see when I put my keys (using listaddressgroupings + wallet_account_list_public_keys) into https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/ is

~99.27 BTS per PTS @ BTS-snapshot
~5.79 BTS per PTS @ VOTE-snapshot
~0.0186 BTS per DNS @ BTS-snapshot
~0.0012 BTS per DNS @ BTS-snapshot

So PTS @ VOTE looks broken to me, and I don't understand the DNS @ BTS-snapshot numbers.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 15, 2014, 05:37:34 pm
What do you see here?
http://bitshares.org/vote-aug-21-noFMV.json
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 15, 2014, 06:46:12 pm
in your keyid wallet folder (something like "%APPDATA/KeyId" .. or so) .. there is a wallets folder that should contain the "default" wallet.
rename it to walletkeyid and copy it into the wallets folders of BitShares ("%APPDATA%/BitShares/wallets")
In the CLI of bitshares you can simply open up the second wallet with "wallet_open walletkeyid" and take a look at your vested funds.
I hope the devs are working on a nice way to do this with the GUI too

Opening the Keyid/DNS wallet with the most recent bts client worked (pulled from github an hour ago).
But wallet_check_sharedrop returned just an empty array.

Also my Keyid/DNS keys seem not to be part of the (updated) genesis.json file.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: pc on November 15, 2014, 09:45:43 pm
What do you see here?
http://bitshares.org/vote-aug-21-noFMV.json

The same numbers.

It seems that I somehow miscalculated the VOTE ratio. The actual rate I have now is 13.24 BTS per PTS @ VOTE, which is exactly what I'd expect.

Sorry about the confusion.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: skystone on November 17, 2014, 01:16:57 am
I use the wallet_account_list_public_key command, but find out that none of the address have balance,who can help me?

Use this
https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/
Thanks! I find my balance finally. There is the last thing to be checked:  there are two balance under the "key..." address,  is the small one BM's pre-announcement airdrop?  The ratio is about 15:1, is that correct? I've supposed that the ratio will be 1:1. Never mind if i make any misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 17, 2014, 07:53:20 am
I take it this is only for the Nov 5 snapshot, and it doesn't include the AGS rescue funds that I3 is giving people who had non-genesis balance during BM's announcement.
This should have everything.

Mhh, for me it does not add up:

If https://bitbalance.azurewebsites.net/ is correct my DNS sharedrop ratio is 0.0166.
Even though more than 85% of my DNS balance was withdrawn from bter (before BM's post).

Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 17, 2014, 08:36:41 am
I also kind of wonder why that account contains >200 keys.
To see if that might be a problem with the bitbalance site I rechecked each key in the genesis_bts file.
But the result is the same. Just 10 keys found their way into the genesis file.

For me it looks like most of the keys don't hold any balance. I wonder why, as I haven't done anything fancy with that account.
Also it seems that the DNS compensation is not included, yet (as the ratio is 0.0166, see above post).

Can anyone comment on my findings or point me to what I am missing here ? :)

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: ffwong on November 17, 2014, 04:12:04 pm
@toast

In the genesis file, there are two sections, "balances" and "bts_sharedrop". I can understand the meaning of each occurrence of the address in "bts_sharedrop". But I don't understand the values in "balances". I found that addresses from my BTC and PTS wallets have small values in "balances".

Should I include the values in "balances" in calculating my total extra BTS obtained due to merger?

BTW, I found betax's site accounts only "bts_sharedrop". Which one (exclude or include "balances") is correct?

Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 17, 2014, 04:48:54 pm
@ffwong   "Balances" is the original genesis balance. "bts_sharedrop" is the sharedrop.


If anyone still has problems, please post:
1) The address, and what you expect
2) What you actually see
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 18, 2014, 05:07:31 pm
@toast: How can I map/link the incoming transactions to the keys that are holding the DNS?
Or how can I check how many DNS a key holds? rtfm + a pointer will work for me :)

Further, is it correct that the DNS which have been moved before BM's post should have gotten some compensation and therefore should show a higher sharedrop ratio than 0.0166/0.0186?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: liondani on November 18, 2014, 07:15:31 pm
If anyone still has problems, please post:
1) The address, and what you expect
2) What you actually see

That's good for the advanced members... they will see the problems
and they will be resolved because they mention them here... What about the newbies or investors they don't have time to come on the forum to see these posts?
Is it possible that some of them don't get the expected allocation? It will harm us if  they find out to late that they don't received what they expected... Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 18, 2014, 07:49:42 pm
If anyone still has problems, please post:
1) The address, and what you expect
2) What you actually see

That's good for the advanced members... they will see the problems
and they will be resolved because they mention them here... What about the newbies or investors they don't have time to come on the forum to see these posts?
Is it possible that some of them don't get the expected allocation? It will harm us if  they find out to late that they don't received what they expected... Am I missing something?

That's why the advanced members check. We can't check every individual balance. If something affects only users who don't bother checking, that's bad luck. What am I supposed to do? Re-validate it again using yet another source?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: gamey on November 18, 2014, 08:20:37 pm

I'll load my wallets tonight but I didn't ever do anything interesting or much trading so I find it unlikely that I would trigger a bug.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: vikram on November 18, 2014, 09:20:06 pm
I forgot to update the OP when the genesis.json changed.

Here's the real thing:
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/blob/master/libraries/blockchain/genesis_bts.json?raw=true

You need to link to a particular commit instead of pages that will change.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: biophil on November 18, 2014, 09:39:12 pm
If anyone still has problems, please post:
1) The address, and what you expect
2) What you actually see

That's good for the advanced members... they will see the problems
and they will be resolved because they mention them here... What about the newbies or investors they don't have time to come on the forum to see these posts?
Is it possible that some of them don't get the expected allocation? It will harm us if  they find out to late that they don't received what they expected... Am I missing something?

That's why the advanced members check. We can't check every individual balance. If something affects only users who don't bother checking, that's bad luck. What am I supposed to do? Re-validate it again using yet another source?

Toast, can you tell us, or link us to, a page that tells us what we should expect given what kinds of balances? I'd be delighted to tell you what I expect to see in my allocation, but I have no idea what it should be. I'm talking mostly about the allocation that's for people who had non-genesis balances at the time of Bytemaster's market-crashing announcement.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 18, 2014, 09:50:59 pm
If anyone still has problems, please post:
1) The address, and what you expect
2) What you actually see

That's good for the advanced members... they will see the problems
and they will be resolved because they mention them here... What about the newbies or investors they don't have time to come on the forum to see these posts?
Is it possible that some of them don't get the expected allocation? It will harm us if  they find out to late that they don't received what they expected... Am I missing something?

That's why the advanced members check. We can't check every individual balance. If something affects only users who don't bother checking, that's bad luck. What am I supposed to do? Re-validate it again using yet another source?

Toast, can you tell us, or link us to, a page that tells us what we should expect given what kinds of balances? I'd be delighted to tell you what I expect to see in my allocation, but I have no idea what it should be. I'm talking mostly about the allocation that's for people who had non-genesis balances at the time of Bytemaster's market-crashing announcement.

For that allocation I'm not giving numbers because it'll just make you feel bad because it's not much. Also it was never promised before deciding to give the bonus so there is no "correct" amount - the call for how much to give vs normal balances and exchange unclaimed balances was made manually.

Ok so not generating the values for you was just lazy, my bad. The point was those values are a gift and can't be "wrong".

Despite cleaning out I3's DNS, this does not actually add up to much extra because BM underestimated how much stake exchanges had started trading but not claimed (buyers on BTC38).

Code: [Select]
bts to bonus: 5071959
bts for exchanges: 3381306
bts for on-chain: 1690653
total claimed DNS outside of exchanges 1402149418
BTS per DNS for normal claimed balances 0.00120575810763
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 19, 2014, 08:45:01 am
For that allocation I'm not giving numbers because it'll just make you feel bad because it's not much. Also it was never promised before deciding to give the bonus so there is no "correct" amount - the call for how much to give vs normal balances and exchange unclaimed balances was made manually.

I don't understand.  According to this I would expect  something that does not make the ones that got burned feel bad:

This allocation should [..] make everyone who purchased DNS whole. 

Quote from: toast
"BTC38 (and now BTER) retroactive snapshot - lots of DNS holders made whole"
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10446.0

My DNS sharedrop ration seems to be 0.0166 and yes this makes me feel bad and nowhere near 'made whole'.
So it seems to show no sign of compensation.  To make it a bit more tangible: that roughly an 75% loss (cut by half twice)

It looks like other people on this thread have other ratios. I already asked multiple times for help to look into it, but nobody could help me.
Just throw me a link or the method. I don't need polished tools. If I can get there using grep/sed/cat I should be fine.

For convenience, the questions again:
Quote
- (How) can I map/link the incoming transactions to the keys that are holding the DNS?
- Or how can I check how many DNS a key holds? rtfm + a pointer will work for me :)
- Further, is it correct that the DNS which have been moved before BM's post should have gotten some compensation and therefore should show a higher sharedrop ratio than 0.0166/0.0186?

Further, can someone explain how "make everyone who purchased DNS whole"  turned into  "'not giving numbers because it'll just make you feel bad because it's not much"?
If I am wrong or missed something, let me know.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: liondani on November 19, 2014, 09:01:48 am
For that allocation I'm not giving numbers because it'll just make you feel bad because it's not much. Also it was never promised before deciding to give the bonus so there is no "correct" amount - the call for how much to give vs normal balances and exchange unclaimed balances was made manually.

I don't understand.  According to this I would expect  something that does not make the ones that got burned feel bad:

This allocation should [..] make everyone who purchased DNS whole. 

Quote from: toast
"BTC38 (and now BTER) retroactive snapshot - lots of DNS holders made whole"
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10446.0

My DNS sharedrop ration seems to be 0.0166 and yes this makes me feel bad and nowhere near 'made whole'.
So it seems to show no sign of compensation.  To make it a bit more tangible: that roughly an 75% loss (cut by half twice)

It looks like other people on this thread have other ratios. I already asked multiple times for help to look into it, but nobody could help me.
Just throw me a link or the method. I don't need polished tools. If I can get there using grep/sed/cat I should be fine.

For convenience, the questions again:
Quote
- (How) can I map/link the incoming transactions to the keys that are holding the DNS?
- Or how can I check how many DNS a key holds? rtfm + a pointer will work for me :)
- Further, is it correct that the DNS which have been moved before BM's post should have gotten some compensation and therefore should show a higher sharedrop ratio than 0.0166/0.0186?

Further, can someone explain how "make everyone who purchased DNS whole"  turned into  "'not giving numbers because it'll just make you feel bad because it's not much"?
If I am wrong or missed something, let me know.

I feel the same as you... I think I missed something too... or I am way more stupid than I thought(?)...
I am certainly confused right now... sorry... maybe later on I am better....
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: Bitty on November 19, 2014, 10:35:18 am
If one is not occupied full time with bitshares, it is really hard to keep up with all this.

I have been a PTS holder during the double snapshot.
How can I find out how many BTS I will receive, how and when to get them?

I have the latest BTS OSX client installed but no BTS balance yet after importing succesfully the PTS key.

Thank you for helping me out
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: biophil on November 19, 2014, 03:58:31 pm
If anyone still has problems, please post:
1) The address, and what you expect
2) What you actually see

That's good for the advanced members... they will see the problems
and they will be resolved because they mention them here... What about the newbies or investors they don't have time to come on the forum to see these posts?
Is it possible that some of them don't get the expected allocation? It will harm us if  they find out to late that they don't received what they expected... Am I missing something?

That's why the advanced members check. We can't check every individual balance. If something affects only users who don't bother checking, that's bad luck. What am I supposed to do? Re-validate it again using yet another source?

Toast, can you tell us, or link us to, a page that tells us what we should expect given what kinds of balances? I'd be delighted to tell you what I expect to see in my allocation, but I have no idea what it should be. I'm talking mostly about the allocation that's for people who had non-genesis balances at the time of Bytemaster's market-crashing announcement.

For that allocation I'm not giving numbers because it'll just make you feel bad because it's not much. Also it was never promised before deciding to give the bonus so there is no "correct" amount - the call for how much to give vs normal balances and exchange unclaimed balances was made manually.

Help me help you, toast. If you don't give us numbers, we can't tell you what we expect to see. It's as simple as that! Are you telling me there are no numbers because the allocation was made inconsistently? Are you telling me you won't give numbers because it's hard to give numbers? Don't worry about my feelings - I'm a grown-ass man.

Until you give us numbers, all I can tell you is this:
 What I expected to see: some positive number.
What I actually see: zero.

Sent from my SCH-S720C using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: biophil on November 19, 2014, 04:41:56 pm
I also kind of wonder why that account contains >200 keys.

Hi bobb, sorry that nobody has addressed this question of yours yet: you have a ton of keys because of TITAN, the privacy feature in bitshares. Every transaction you make, you get at least one new key and your client never re-uses keys. That's why you have so many keys with no balances; each key was used once and then as soon as the balance was moved out of it, it will never be used again.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 04:43:34 pm
Ok so not generating the values for you was just lazy, my bad. The point was those values are a gift and can't be "wrong".

Despite cleaning out I3's DNS, this does not actually add up to much extra because BM underestimated how much stake exchanges had started trading but not claimed (buyers on BTC38).

Code: [Select]
bts to bonus: 5071959
bts for exchanges: 3381306
bts for on-chain: 1690653
total claimed DNS outside of exchanges 1402149418
BTS per DNS for normal claimed balances 0.00120575810763
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: Bitty on November 19, 2014, 04:49:06 pm
If one is not occupied full time with bitshares, it is really hard to keep up with all this.

I have been a PTS holder during the double snapshot.
How can I find out how many BTS I will receive, how and when to get them?

I have the latest BTS OSX client installed but no BTS balance yet after importing succesfully the PTS key.

Thank you for helping me out

Any help is kindly appreciated
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 04:50:18 pm
If one is not occupied full time with bitshares, it is really hard to keep up with all this.

I have been a PTS holder during the double snapshot.
How can I find out how many BTS I will receive, how and when to get them?

I have the latest BTS OSX client installed but no BTS balance yet after importing succesfully the PTS key.

Thank you for helping me out

Any help is kindly appreciated

PM the key
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: biophil on November 19, 2014, 04:53:51 pm
Ok so not generating the values for you was just lazy, my bad. The point was those values are a gift and can't be "wrong".

Despite cleaning out I3's DNS, this does not actually add up to much extra because BM underestimated how much stake exchanges had started trading but not claimed (buyers on BTC38).

Code: [Select]
bts to bonus: 5071959
bts for exchanges: 3381306
bts for on-chain: 1690653
total claimed DNS outside of exchanges 1402149418
BTS per DNS for normal claimed balances 0.00120575810763

Ah. yep, about 5% of what people thought they were going to get. It was a nice gesture, anyway.

Thanks for posting the numbers!
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 04:54:58 pm
Ok so not generating the values for you was just lazy, my bad. The point was those values are a gift and can't be "wrong".

Despite cleaning out I3's DNS, this does not actually add up to much extra because BM underestimated how much stake exchanges had started trading but not claimed (buyers on BTC38).

Code: [Select]
bts to bonus: 5071959
bts for exchanges: 3381306
bts for on-chain: 1690653
total claimed DNS outside of exchanges 1402149418
BTS per DNS for normal claimed balances 0.00120575810763

Ah. yep, about 5% of what people thought they were going to get. It was a nice gesture, anyway.

Thanks for posting the numbers!

How did you compute what you expected?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: biophil on November 19, 2014, 05:47:37 pm
Ok so not generating the values for you was just lazy, my bad. The point was those values are a gift and can't be "wrong".

Despite cleaning out I3's DNS, this does not actually add up to much extra because BM underestimated how much stake exchanges had started trading but not claimed (buyers on BTC38).

Code: [Select]
bts to bonus: 5071959
bts for exchanges: 3381306
bts for on-chain: 1690653
total claimed DNS outside of exchanges 1402149418
BTS per DNS for normal claimed balances 0.00120575810763

Ah. yep, about 5% of what people thought they were going to get. It was a nice gesture, anyway.

Thanks for posting the numbers!

How did you compute what you expected?

I just assumed with all the talk of "making people whole" that people would get something close to the same # of DNS they held during the announcement. So if I had 10,000 non-genesis DNS in my wallet during the announcement, for some reason I assumed that "being made whole" would involve giving me the equivalent of 10,000 more DNS. I'm not sure where I came up with that assumption... Now that I think about it a little more, it's obvious that there are many different ways to interpret "making people whole," and there's no reason at all to assume that my interpretation was correct.

So my 5% number up there may as well have been random. In the end, it looks something like this: "if you had non-genesis DNS in your wallet on the announcement, and you didn't touch your balance before Nov 5, then you'll get about 5% more BTS than if you had the same amount of 'normal' DNS in your wallet."
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 19, 2014, 07:14:19 pm
I just assumed with all the talk of "making people whole" that people would get something close to the same # of DNS they held during the announcement. So if I had 10,000 non-genesis DNS in my wallet during the announcement, for some reason I assumed that "being made whole" would involve giving me the equivalent of 10,000 more DNS.

Actually, I don't know how it can be understood in any other way than you just put it.
After BM's announcement the price of DNS dropped more than 50% and after that toast apologized and told everyone they will be made whole.
Could you please elaborate why the following changed everything?

Despite cleaning out I3's DNS, this does not actually add up to much extra because BM underestimated how much stake exchanges had started trading but not claimed (buyers on BTC38).

It was known how much DNS was claimed and everyone was told as long as you moved your funds to your wallet you will be made whole.
Just have look at the thread yourself: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10381.0

If I understand correctly you decided to shift the compensation more to BTC38 instead of compensating individual addresses holding already claimed DNS?
On which basis was this decided?

Plainly said you went from "making people whole" to ''not giving numbers because it'll just make you feel bad because it's not much"
without telling anyone?

Really sorry to keep you busy with this. But this is either very wrong or I missed something.
I would be happy to hear it is the latter :)
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 07:25:07 pm
Seems like "made them whole" made people think BM could somehow produce enough value to give as much as he gave nov 5th?

What he said was he would empty I3 DNS funds to give as much as possible to people who supported DNS. This means claimed balances, except that exchanges actually had a lot of "claimed" balances that hadn't moved.

At worst you should get 1/3rd of what you expected because we went from thinking we had to give 0 to people on exchanges to about 2/3rds of I3's money. But that is consistent with "making people whole with I3's entire stake."


Note I floated a proposal to use one of the dev fund keys for the bonus rather than deleting it and scaling up nov 5th holders (taking a few percent of BTS from nov 5th DNS holder to give bm's victims) but that got shot down.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: biophil on November 19, 2014, 07:38:51 pm
Seems like "made them whole" made people think BM could somehow produce enough value to give as much as he gave nov 5th?

What he said was he would empty I3 DNS funds to give as much as possible to people who supported DNS. This means claimed balances, except that exchanges actually had a lot of "claimed" balances that hadn't moved.

At worst you should get 1/3rd of what you expected because we went from thinking we had to give 0 to people on exchanges to about 2/3rds of I3's money. But that is consistent with "making people whole with I3's entire stake."


Note I floated a proposal to use one of the dev fund keys for the bonus rather than deleting it and scaling up nov 5th holders (taking a few percent of BTS from nov 5th DNS holder to give bm's victims) but that got shot down.

Yeah, I'm not really being critical any more. You have enough to put up with as it is. It's just that saying "made them whole" was wildly ambiguous, and easy to interpret as "it'll be like BM's announcement never happened."

I remember your proposal about increasing the rescue funds; I liked it, but of course it got shot down. Did you really expect anything else? Changing an allocation after a snapshot will never be popular.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: liondani on November 19, 2014, 08:02:51 pm
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Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 19, 2014, 08:26:50 pm
Please. Just have a look at the thread I was clear how it was meant:

We don't want anyone to lose out, especially those who bought into the systems like DNS after launch.

This allocation should not harm any other players other than us and should make everyone who purchased DNS whole. 

Trying to spin having said "making everyone whole" now is just mean.
Please, guys do you really think this is right?
First telling people "you will be made whole" and then later  "Seems like "made them whole" made people think BM could somehow produce enough value to give as much as he gave nov 5th?". rly?
Why did you tell people that in the first place. Just to silence them because they don't second guess you?

I normally try to read all my messages a second time and try to remove all non-productive emotional parts but I _feel_ being lied to, betrayed and I am just sad right now.
Let's not get into that 'you cant' make it right for everyone" argument. This is just wrong.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 08:29:23 pm
I'm not sure I understand. BM underestimated how much BTS he had for poeple people to lose. He used the words "made them whole" but if you ran the numbers even at the time you would see that that is nonsense. He gave away everything he had.

Who would you take BTS from to make your optional gift bigger? The dev funds were proposed and rejected.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 08:31:50 pm
Quote
Please, guys do you really think this is right?

BM announcing an allocation where DNS got half of its market cap's worth is the only "wrong" thing here. Everything else is us *giving you an extra gift because we feel bad*.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 19, 2014, 08:37:55 pm
I am speechless. So you are telling me the mistake was that I believed BM's judgement?
And you knew it was nonsense to say "making people whole" but you did it anyway?


BM underestimated how much BTS he had for poeple people to lose. He used the words "made them whole" but if you ran the numbers even at the time you would see that that is nonsense.

BM announcing an allocation where DNS got half of its market cap's worth is the only "wrong" thing here.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 08:40:49 pm
I am speechless. So you are telling me the mistake was that I believed BM's judgement?
And you knew it was nonsense to say "making people whole" but you did it anyway?


BM underestimated how much BTS he had for poeple people to lose. He used the words "made them whole" but if you ran the numbers even at the time you would see that that is nonsense.

BM announcing an allocation where DNS got half of its market cap's worth is the only "wrong" thing here.

Believe BM's judgement about what? There were no choices you could have made different to get more money based on what he said.

That's like saying "sorry, I feel bad, let me give you $10" then saying "oh sorry all the money I have is only $5 but here is all of it". You didn't invest in anything based on the idea that he would gift you $10.


edit:  So I guess the answers are "yes" and "yes". Sorry. It makes me very angry as well that my project was killed and all my supporters burned.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 08:42:41 pm
You understand the bonus isn't to Nov 5th holders, it's to *pre-proposal announcement* holders, right?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: Shentist on November 19, 2014, 08:45:17 pm
so now we are talking about old stuff?

it was clearly said, that only claimed AND moved fundes will get compensated. Don't complain now, you had all your chances. At that time it seems to me, i was one of a handfull who was against the merger allocation.

But now, it is over. Live with it, and ask yourself why you accepted it in the first place.

Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 19, 2014, 08:56:28 pm
so now we are talking about old stuff?

it was clearly said, that only claimed AND moved fundes will get compensated. Don't complain now, you had all your chances. At that time it seems to me, i was one of a handfull who was against the merger allocation.

But now, it is over. Live with it, and ask yourself why you accepted it in the first place.

@shentist: we are talking only 'about claimed AND moved funds'. That is the sad part.
All the talks about *pre-proposal announcement* DNS holders "will be made whole" are off the table. 
So, no we are not talking about old stuff.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 08:57:28 pm
so now we are talking about old stuff?

it was clearly said, that only claimed AND moved fundes will get compensated. Don't complain now, you had all your chances. At that time it seems to me, i was one of a handfull who was against the merger allocation.

But now, it is over. Live with it, and ask yourself why you accepted it in the first place.

@shentist: we are talking only 'about claimed AND moved funds'. That is the sad part.
All the talks about *pre-proposal announcement* DNS holders "will be made whole" are off the table.

Sorry cleaning out I3's funds was not enough / that we caused you to expect more
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 19, 2014, 09:01:32 pm
Sorry cleaning out I3's funds was not enough / that we caused you to expect more

'not enough' does not really cut it. It is close nothing compared to what you let people believe. 
And you just said you were fully aware that this was the case but told people they will be made whole anyway.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 09:04:40 pm
Sorry cleaning out I3's funds was not enough / that we caused you to expect more

'not enough' does not really cut it. It is close nothing compared to what you let people believe. 
And you just said you were fully aware that this was the case but told people they will be made whole anyway.

Everyone was fully aware of the amount those holders would get (I3's stake). I was not fully aware what proportions exchanges would get until about a week ago.  None of these could affect your investment decisions, this is all a retroactive gift. You're complaining about how much of a gift BM gave you.

You're acting like I screwed you, when I got screwed worse than anyone.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 09:06:25 pm
Again, who shall we take from to make your optional gift bigger?
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: Shentist on November 19, 2014, 09:21:17 pm
so now we are talking about old stuff?

it was clearly said, that only claimed AND moved fundes will get compensated. Don't complain now, you had all your chances. At that time it seems to me, i was one of a handfull who was against the merger allocation.

But now, it is over. Live with it, and ask yourself why you accepted it in the first place.

@shentist: we are talking only 'about claimed AND moved funds'. That is the sad part.
All the talks about *pre-proposal announcement* DNS holders "will be made whole" are off the table. 
So, no we are not talking about old stuff.


check my link https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10381.msg136244#msg136244

in this case you are wrong bobb! it was clear from the day of the ANN. Not worth to talk again. Toast has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 19, 2014, 09:22:22 pm
I am getting the feeling I am having the conversation with the wrong person. :)
@toast: I understand that you got screwed the most and if we have BitUSD tipping expect at least some beers/pizzas coming.
(edit: was meant as a tipping reference joke. But it just sounds stupid when reading it again. Will send you some bts/bitusd anyway)

I agree that it is _now_ not easy to compensate pre proposal DNS holders.
But everyone accepted the allocation because BM (and you too) assured pre proposal DNS holders they will be made whole.
Now turning on them an telling them  'hey guys do you really believed us that. you could do the math yourself and see it won't work" is absurd.
Back then we could have continued to look into other ways to make it right.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 19, 2014, 09:25:37 pm
check my link https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10381.msg136244#msg136244
in this case you are wrong bobb! it was clear from the day of the ANN. Not worth to talk again. Toast has nothing to do with it.

No I am not ;)  But you are also right. I am aware that this is just about claimed DNS before BM's post. 
What has changed is that the whole meaning of the thread you just quoted is off the table.
So if you bought any DNS before the BM's post you won't get the compensation that was suggested.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 09:27:29 pm
But everyone accepted the allocation because BM (and you too) assured pre proposal DNS holders they will be made whole.

Ok that is more clear. You're saying you would have rejected it outright. I would have rejected it before it was even posted had I been consulted =(.

But unfortunately the reality is there was no negotiating power once BM made the announcement and the prices moved. Removing dev funds was part of the announcement so that was not an option either. I3 funds were the only available funds.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: zerosum on November 19, 2014, 09:43:32 pm
I have a novel idea but if I put it here you will accuse me of spreading FUD...

[disclaimer] I did not suffer any significant losses from the DNS price drop after the announcement!
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: liondani on November 19, 2014, 11:14:49 pm
Sorry cleaning out I3's funds was not enough / that we caused you to expect more

'not enough' does not really cut it. It is close nothing compared to what you let people believe. 
And you just said you were fully aware that this was the case but told people they will be made whole anyway.

Everyone was fully aware of the amount those holders would get (I3's stake). I was not fully aware what proportions exchanges would get until about a week ago.  None of these could affect your investment decisions, this is all a retroactive gift. You're complaining about how much of a gift BM gave you.

You're acting like I screwed you, when I got screwed worse than anyone.

It's not about which one is screwed more ...
It's again the... luck of communication(?)...
I really don't know what to say...   :(
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: Tuck Fheman on November 19, 2014, 11:19:28 pm
I'm so lost. There are so many threads saying different things that I have no idea what is fact/fiction or if any of it concerns me.

For those that received their DNS allocation, then insta-sold on an exchange prior to any of these changes/mergers ... what do they need to do, if anything?

For instance, I received my DNS allocation and assumed the price would continue to drop thereafter and sold hoping to buy more lower.  Then the merger thread popped up and there went that plan.

So what now? Am I good to go as is since I sold all of my DNS prior to the merger announcement or do I need to do something to receive some new allocation post-merger? I don't want to miss out on any BTS that may be coming my way.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: liondani on November 19, 2014, 11:25:43 pm
I'm so lost. There are so many threads saying different things that I have no idea what is fact/fiction or if any of it concerns me.

For those that received their DNS allocation, then insta-sold on an exchange prior to any of these changes/mergers ... what do they need to do, if anything?

For instance, I received my DNS allocation and assumed the price would continue to drop thereafter and sold hoping to buy more lower.  Then the merger thread popped up and there went that plan.

So what now? Am I good to go as is since I sold all of my DNS prior to the merger announcement or do I need to do something to receive some new allocation post-merger? I don't want to miss out on any BTS that may be coming my way.

If I had sold all my DNS prior the announcement I wouldn't care right now!
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 11:30:39 pm
I'm so lost. There are so many threads saying different things that I have no idea what is fact/fiction or if any of it concerns me.

For those that received their DNS allocation, then insta-sold on an exchange prior to any of these changes/mergers ... what do they need to do, if anything?

For instance, I received my DNS allocation and assumed the price would continue to drop thereafter and sold hoping to buy more lower.  Then the merger thread popped up and there went that plan.

So what now? Am I good to go as is since I sold all of my DNS prior to the merger announcement or do I need to do something to receive some new allocation post-merger? I don't want to miss out on any BTS that may be coming my way.

Yeah you are in the best position... traders who did with you did ended up with all the "lost" money.

What happened was BM crashed the price and then offered all of I3's stake to make up for it. It wasn't as much as *anyone* thought, to different degrees.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: Tuck Fheman on November 19, 2014, 11:34:43 pm
If I had sold all my DNS prior the announcement I wouldn't care right now!

Is there a specific time/date where things changed and past that point you are or aren't included in this allocation for DNS?

In looking back it appears that I sold in two batches and one "may" have been after the merger thread popped up, but I'm not even sure when that was.

In other words, is there a set in stone time/date that I can check against to see if I need to load up KeyID again and then do something (import/export keys/wallets elsewhere) to obtain more BTS?

Thanks for any help (ELI5 format preferred)!

Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 19, 2014, 11:37:45 pm
If I had sold all my DNS prior the announcement I wouldn't care right now!

Is there a specific time/date where things changed and past that point you are or aren't included in this allocation for DNS?

In looking back it appears that I sold in two batches and one "may" have been after the merger thread popped up, but I'm not even sure when that was.

In other words, is there a set in stone time/date that I can check against to see if I need to load up KeyID again and then do something (import/export keys/wallets elsewhere) to obtain more BTS?

Thanks for any help (ELI5 format preferred)!

Just collect all the wallets you have together and wait until it's easy to import them all.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: Tuck Fheman on November 19, 2014, 11:55:14 pm
Just collect all the wallets you have together and wait until it's easy to import them all.

Easy enough, yet I'm compelled to bother everyone more. ;)

So when is this BTS allocation (appear in my wallet) supposed to take place? Or rather, when will I be able to import these wallets and receive the BTS?

I've confirmed my balances via the data you provided earlier and the tool someone else built and they match, but I'm unclear on which DAC (Vote, DNS, etc) is providing this BTS allocation since it's all lumped into one number. I'm assuming the #'s on the page represent my BTS allocation for Vote and DNS for each PTS/BTC address from which I donated.  Is that the case or does this data (in this thread) just represent DNS>BTS allocation?

And I almost forgot about AGS>BTS, is that included in these #'s or is that separate?





Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 20, 2014, 12:00:59 am
This is everything, and is available to claim (the vested portion) as soon as we finalize it and disable the last lock. The current revision is in the chain but frozen.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 20, 2014, 10:17:19 am
Code: [Select]
bts for exchanges: 3381306
can you shed some light on how that was distributed across the exchanges?
Just want to understand the situation.

thanks!
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: zerosum on November 20, 2014, 10:36:15 am
Code: [Select]
bts for exchanges: 3381306
can you shed some light on how that was distributed across the exchanges?
Just want to understand the situation.

thanks!

Hi, DNS-Bobb,
Can you shed some light how comes you are only interested in DNS.
And buying it after launch does not explain it at all. You are interested in distribution that does not make sense if you just bought your DNS on the exchange?

Just want to understand the situation.

thanks!



[disclaimer] Situations/facts that do not make sense, put my brain in a very uncomfortable loops...sorry for asking.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on November 20, 2014, 03:48:04 pm
Code: [Select]
bts for exchanges: 3381306
can you shed some light on how that was distributed across the exchanges?
Just want to understand the situation.

thanks!
Most to btc38 (2.9m). I'll post the rest from the office.
It was based on their self reported estimates given my explanation of who we thought had lost.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bobb on November 20, 2014, 05:03:27 pm
Can you shed some light how comes you are only interested in DNS.
And buying it after launch does not explain it at all. You are interested in distribution that does not make sense if you just bought your DNS on the exchange?
Just want to understand the situation.
thanks!

I am not only interested in DNS. But I am especially interested in DNS because I maintain (good old) nameservers for quite some time now and was very enthusiastic about the project. As I started to dig into the project and set up my first delegate I also invested a larger amount in DNS, which was quite a lot for me. The project had the endorsement of BM and had toast as dev lead. As I also wanted to get involved it just seemed logical to do so.

As you might know, there is not much left of that investment. You don't have to quote any rules of investing to me. I know how it works.
I would never complain about the recent BTS price for example, because that's just how markets work.
But the way DNS's price was crushed is different. Everybody agreed to that. As a result BM told everyone that DNS holders will be 'made whole'.
If you then check your sharedrop ratio and realize that's not true and nobody even bothered to tell, that just feels wrong.

The announcement was that the compensation will be paid to the individual address with claimed pre announcement balance.
Later on there was also the idea to pay the exchanges some to also compensate them.

This just shifted to we gave most of it to the exchanges without (explicitly) telling anyone.
Instead of just complaining I try to understand why this turned out so different than announced . Hence the question.
I am trying to come up with a fix myself. Haven't found one, yet. But I now understand (in parts) why it was right to shift the funds to btc38/the exchanges.

Did that help to break out of the loop? If not, let me know I don't want to leave your brain in uncomfortable loops ;)
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: MessyCoin on December 16, 2014, 01:14:16 pm
Hi,

Today I imported my PTS wallet into the BTS client and I am confused because I did not find the allocation for the Nov 5th snapshot as indicated in the doc in the original post.

I have held PTS in the same address over the course of all snapshots.

I understand the airdrop is over 2 years but expected to see evidence of it when I imported my PTS wallet.

The "Bitshares Reloaded" document says "planned BTS share drop in late November" ( http://bitshares.org/bitshares-reloaded/ )

What should I do now?

Thanks for any advice!
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: toast on December 16, 2014, 01:19:19 pm
Hi,

Today I imported my PTS wallet into the BTS client and I am confused because I did not find the allocation for the Nov 5th snapshot as indicated in the doc in the original post.

I have held PTS in the same address over the course of all snapshots.

I understand the airdrop is over 2 years but expected to see evidence of it when I imported my PTS wallet.

The "Bitshares Reloaded" document says "planned BTS share drop in late November" ( http://bitshares.org/bitshares-reloaded/ )

What should I do now?

Thanks for any advice!

_wallet_check_sharedrop
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: bitmeat on December 25, 2014, 02:05:58 am
Hi,

Today I imported my PTS wallet into the BTS client and I am confused because I did not find the allocation for the Nov 5th snapshot as indicated in the doc in the original post.

I have held PTS in the same address over the course of all snapshots.

I understand the airdrop is over 2 years but expected to see evidence of it when I imported my PTS wallet.

The "Bitshares Reloaded" document says "planned BTS share drop in late November" ( http://bitshares.org/bitshares-reloaded/ )

What should I do now?

Thanks for any advice!

_wallet_check_sharedrop

So, other than checking, can this be claimed? I thought v0.25 was supposed to introduce the actual distribution, but haven't been in the loop.
Title: Re: Check Your Allocation - Episode II: Check It Again
Post by: MessyCoin on December 25, 2014, 12:47:25 pm
Hi,

Today I imported my PTS wallet into the BTS client and I am confused because I did not find the allocation for the Nov 5th snapshot as indicated in the doc in the original post.

I have held PTS in the same address over the course of all snapshots.

I understand the airdrop is over 2 years but expected to see evidence of it when I imported my PTS wallet.

The "Bitshares Reloaded" document says "planned BTS share drop in late November" ( http://bitshares.org/bitshares-reloaded/ )

What should I do now?

Thanks for any advice!

_wallet_check_sharedrop

So, other than checking, can this be claimed? I thought v0.25 was supposed to introduce the actual distribution, but haven't been in the loop.

I was a bit in the dark myself. From toast's reply, what I found was https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares/releases/tag/v0.4.24

Candidate sharedrop vesting balances are available for manual review using the console command wallet_check_sharedrop
Vesting balances will not be available for withdrawal until finalized in a later required upgrade


So looks like nothing can be claimed yet. If I am wrong then hopefully toast or one of the others will chime in.