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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rune on November 27, 2014, 08:42:13 pm
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MethodX had this excellent idea that I want to get as many people on board with helping as possible.
The core team is busy making bitshares the most advanced blockchain protocol on the planet, and monsterer and shentist are going to make what looks like a really sexy and functional online wallet, but we currently have no one working on developing a mobile bitshares wallet that can be ready for 1.0. This is a pretty big problem since a mobile wallet is a necessary piece of infrastructure. Without it, we don't have a product.
Luckily, DPOS has the answers to this - we can hire someone as a paid delegate to develop it. And while we're at it, why not inform the world just how big an event it is that a blockchain is now able to autonomously hire its own developers. It's really mindblowing when you think about it, and everyone needs to know this.
I want to gather support for holding a headhunting event. The world's first decentralized job (maybe someone can come up with a better name?). Over the next 2 weeks to a month, we are going to make crypto history by having the bitshares blockchain autonomously evaluate and hire its own mobile wallet developer, through the power of cryptography + its community of stakeholders. I know we actually have several paid delegates, so calling this the world first is kinda cheating, but they're from inside our community so I think it's fair to still make this into a big event and call it "world first" to maximize the attention it will give to BTS ;)
We want to coordinate posting/upvoting this on every bitcoin an altcoin website some day next week (which day is most suitable to attract the most attention?), framing it as a historic step forward for blockchain technology and cryptocurrency, and as proof that there is a bright and amazing future ahead in the blockchain industry. All we want to do is to invite mobile wallet developers to post delegate applications, and then let the community choose the best of them. It might be one or several, every awesome developer we manage to hire will massively increase the value of BTS in the long run. Our targets will be people who can either prove that they are absolutely amazing at making android apps, or developers of existing bitcoin/altcoin wallets.
(now this is my personal opinion and might be controversial, it doesn't have to necessarily be this way) I think to make sure we really make a big impact and get some serious attention, we should allow the "winner" to make several delegates. If we can get a bitcoin superstar developer with an amazing working wallet (think mycelium or electrum or something like that), we should be ready to offer them a competetive salary, perhaps up to 4 100% paid delegates (8000 USD per month, which is still not that great a salary). Obviously this would have the requirement that the delegates get voted out again as the market cap increases, and will only be to make the initial headhunting event absolutely irresistable for all the top developers in the industry. And it will be a one time thing that will never happen ever again, with only THE SINGLE BEST DEVELOPER IN THE ENTIRE CRYPTO INDUSTRY who signs up with a delegate application that will be allowed this (They can never beat our genius developer team who are already working on the client of course, but they already have their AGS golden eggs), so we will still have 97 people running our DPOS system, keeping it just as decentralized and resilient as before.
Edit: to clarify this multi-delegate thing as our grand prize. I think it would make a really big difference if we have this "there can be only one grand prize" thing, but it should only apply for the current market cap and shouldnt become some runaway insane salary. So until the developer is down to only 1 delegate their monthly salary should not be allowed to cross 8000 USD, and they should agree to reduce their pay rate whenever it does so they hit approximately 8k.
If we do this right, it could be the catalyst that brings bitshares on everyones mind.
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Yes, I can see this working. I'm sure that Mycelium, for one, would be interested.
Maybe Trezor's Satoshi Labs would be interested too though they don't have running start Android wallet experience.
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+5% Awesome! Can't wait to see the community begin organizing this.
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Getting an external dev to do this is a waste of resources. The marketing is maybe worth it, but we can already use Zach Lym for that. I don't see anyone rushing to make a PR that we potentially poached a namecoin dev.
We have the talent, but BM decided that having them build FMV's demo is the best use of their time right now. Maybe focus your effort on getting dan and adam to justify that cost and explain how their master plan for getting voters registered on BTS is worth the risk... nvm maybe I have less insight into this than I thought... will ask on monday
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Getting an external dev to do this is a waste of resources. The marketing is maybe worth it, but we can already use Zach Lym for that. I don't see anyone rushing to make a PR that we potentially poached a namecoin dev.
We have the talent, but BM decided that having them build FMV's demo is the best use of their time right now. Maybe focus your effort on getting dan and adam to justify that cost and explain how their master plan for getting voters registered on BTS is worth the risk...
I thought he was going to work on DNS?
Anyway, getting an external dev to do this is absolutely worth the resources due to PR reasons as you mentioned, because the ability to autonomously hire developers is the most valuable feature any blockchain has ever had. People will see this, and they will realize that we are going to get ALL the top talent, and there's no way it can be prevented or averted, because we pay for talent, and we pay well.
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Getting an external dev to do this is a waste of resources. The marketing is maybe worth it, but we can already use Zach Lym for that. I don't see anyone rushing to make a PR that we potentially poached a namecoin dev.
We have the talent, but BM decided that having them build FMV's demo is the best use of their time right now. Maybe focus your effort on getting dan and adam to justify that cost and explain how their master plan for getting voters registered on BTS is worth the risk...
I pitched this to Dan on a conference call yesterday. He liked the idea because there are minimal resources to develop a mobile wallet. This will also attract a broader array of talent for other projects. But if you think there is free talent available now or in the near future I can't argue with that.
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I like the idea, but we should not pay more than single delegate pay.
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Getting an external dev to do this is a waste of resources. The marketing is maybe worth it, but we can already use Zach Lym for that. I don't see anyone rushing to make a PR that we potentially poached a namecoin dev.
We have the talent, but BM decided that having them build FMV's demo is the best use of their time right now. Maybe focus your effort on getting dan and adam to justify that cost and explain how their master plan for getting voters registered on BTS is worth the risk...
I pitched this to Dan on a conference call yesterday. He liked the idea because there are minimal resources to develop a mobile wallet. This will also attract a broader array of talent for other projects. But if you think there is free talent available now or in the near future I can't argue with that.
We can never get too much top talent, besides we want to have more than one mobile wallet anyway. This is the perfect way to get a fresh wave of the kind of early adopters we still lack to get on board and get excited enough to actively help with making our launch a massive success. Everyone loves making history!
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Getting an external dev to do this is a waste of resources. The marketing is maybe worth it, but we can already use Zach Lym for that. I don't see anyone rushing to make a PR that we potentially poached a namecoin dev.
We have the talent, but BM decided that having them build FMV's demo is the best use of their time right now. Maybe focus your effort on getting dan and adam to justify that cost and explain how their master plan for getting voters registered on BTS is worth the risk...
I pitched this to Dan on a conference call yesterday. He liked the idea because there are minimal resources to develop a mobile wallet. This will also attract a broader array of talent for other projects. But if you think there is free talent available now or in the near future I can't argue with that.
Good to hear. I agree with the strategy overall. But, if you want to pump blockchain hiring devs news, pump Zach Lym, don't wait for something "better". If you want to hire devs, it'll be easier to get web devs for all the infrastructure stuff we need.
I guess let's start by identifying all the roles we need filled.
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What we need is a bounty delegate who will post the appropriate bounties on an as needed basis. It's the difference between hiring an employee and a contractor. The "be the first person in history to get hired by a blockchain" is intended to kill two birds with one stone:
1. Genuine publicity
2. Gets a valuable thing done
That is/was my thought process.
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Getting an external dev to do this is a waste of resources. The marketing is maybe worth it, but we can already use Zach Lym for that. I don't see anyone rushing to make a PR that we potentially poached a namecoin dev.
We have the talent, but BM decided that having them build FMV's demo is the best use of their time right now. Maybe focus your effort on getting dan and adam to justify that cost and explain how their master plan for getting voters registered on BTS is worth the risk...
I pitched this to Dan on a conference call yesterday. He liked the idea because there are minimal resources to develop a mobile wallet. This will also attract a broader array of talent for other projects. But if you think there is free talent available now or in the near future I can't argue with that.
Good to hear. I agree with the strategy overall. But, if you want to pump blockchain hiring devs news, pump Zach Lym, don't wait for something "better". If you want to hire devs, it'll be easier to get web devs for all the infrastructure stuff we need.
I guess let's start by identifying all the roles we need filled.
I'm totally ready to pump zach lym!! The only reason why I havent yet been wiping this in the bitcoiners' face (okay I won't, I'll be civil) is because I thought it wasn't yet a done deal. I thought making a big deal about having poached him while it wasn't yet certain would increase the probability that he would choose not to join us. And it is a big story and going to be huge for our value, but having our stakeholder community "autonomously" headhunting and hiring new developers will be a big scoop too that we shouldn't pass up.
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Getting an external dev to do this is a waste of resources. The marketing is maybe worth it, but we can already use Zach Lym for that. I don't see anyone rushing to make a PR that we potentially poached a namecoin dev.
We have the talent, but BM decided that having them build FMV's demo is the best use of their time right now. Maybe focus your effort on getting dan and adam to justify that cost and explain how their master plan for getting voters registered on BTS is worth the risk...
The marketing would almost certainly be worth it IMO. Marketing to the tech savvy is at the moment what is going to increase the market cap and hence the delegates pay. The major marketing to the masses has to await developments like this.
Besides that, there is another advantage in potential convergences. If Satoshi Labs undertook it, they might also incorporate BTS into Trezor thus making cold storage more accessible to the technically challenged such as myself. Other outside teams may have similar symbiotic potentials.
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I had this basic idea down as an article to write for marketing for a while, been meaning to write it but got overloaded with other stuff. I didn't tie it to a specific job opening though, thats marketing gold dust +5%. I thought it would just generally attract developer interest and get a load of press (that being hired by a blockchain is now a thing).
I could write a pop-tech slant version which would be just the kind of thing tech blogs like i09, wired, boing boing, etc would publish. HPenvy's list of journalist contacts could be utilised. Why not pay for a press release? This is a big deal. I was going to write about DPOS + the blockchain now being able to hire people, but this is a more distilled idea.
The details of the exact job requirement should be posted somewhere. Then even though in reality we want devs of many types, it will be more mainstream accessible to call it a specific job opening to work for a blockchain.
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I had this basic idea down as an article to write for marketing for a while, been meaning to write it but got overloaded with other stuff. I didn't tie it to a specific job opening though, thats marketing gold dust +5%. I thought it would just generally attract developer interest and get a load of press (that being hired by a blockchain is now a thing).
I could write a pop-tech slant version which would be just the kind of thing tech blogs like i09, wired, boing boing, etc would publish. HPenvy's list of journalist contacts could be utilised. Why not pay for a press release? This is a big deal. I was going to write about DPOS + the blockchain now being able to hire people, but this is a more distilled idea.
The details of the exact job requirement should be posted somewhere. Then even though in reality we want devs of many types, it will be more mainstream accessible to call it a specific job opening to work for a blockchain.
Yes, press release is a great idea. How much would it cost if we target the crypto/tech demographic?
Exact details of the job would be a good idea, we could probably do that simply as a sticky forum post in the delegate forum, since that's where they will post their delegate applications anyway. However it's only really toast, bytemaster or some other dev who'd be able to do that. We can ask them to do it once we have the rest organized.
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Don't say "first person" because there are already about 5 individuals being funded by BTS.
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Don't say "first person" because there are already about 5 individuals being funded by BTS.
Yeah I know, one of the first people. We've been discussing that on nullstreet. You should come join us bytemaster :)
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"Ok great, best of both worlds. 'BTS continues to aggressively pursue top talent - be one of the first devs hired by a blockchain!'" - Toast
MeTHoDx suggested 'one of the first' since that's more accurate and still has impact. We're hashing out some release ideas on Nullstreet, there's a handful of people that are interested in contributing to the PR rough.
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Mobile wallet would be easy if there is a lite version wallet or a web wallet, otherwise the mobile developer needs to create first either of the two.
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I guess 'first person hired' has been taken.
What about 'first person sponsored' by a blockchain.
The blockchain could specifically sponsor the something/someone guaranteed to generate the most publicity & notoriety for BitShares.
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I guess 'first person hired' has been taken.
What about 'first person sponsored' by a blockchain.
The blockchain could specifically sponsor the something/someone guaranteed to generate the most publicity & notoriety for BitShares.
+5% I'll give this more thought. Could be a future hook if this succeeds.
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I worked with bitcoinj to make a devcoinj and android devcoin wallet.. ofcourse devcoin is merge-mined so I had to add in merge mining header parsing to the wallet, and it worked in SPV mode... it was a cool learning experience.. I know it's doable but have to wonder really how long it would take me versus someone like Andreas Schildbach who designed the thing... however the hard part will be to understand the differences between the bitcoin and bitshares protocols and figure out if bitcoinj can be a starting point (less time) or start from scratch (longer dev cycle)
https://github.com/sidhujag/devcoin-android
I guess the obvious question is, would it be a full node or a thin wallet (SPV)? because in SPV you just have to parse and read blocks/sign tx's which makes the job alot easier. If it's the later then it kinda falls in-line with what I did with merge mining which was just follow a spec to ensure proper parsing and header verification.
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+5% for the OP ...
we should push a press release onto BTT, reddit and maybe even coindesk et al.
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Don't say "first person" because there are already about 5 individuals being funded by BTS.
Yeah I know, one of the first people. We've been discussing that on nullstreet. You should come join us bytemaster :)
we can say first company +5%
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Don't say "first person" because there are already about 5 individuals being funded by BTS.
I already sort of addressed this in the post but I guess I should expand a bit on my reasoning, posting from nullstreet:
When pitching this to the broader community I don't think we should give up or condition the "world first" and "historical" buzzwords, just alter the context. Since people will never have been exposed to this phenomena before it will make sense to them that this is the world first, and if the pitch is epic enough with "make history bla bla" even the bitcoiners will get excited by it. Maybe we should change it to "be the first person in the world to get headhunted by a blockchain!" Or "worlds first blockchain job opening for everyone". Maybe I'm simply wrong, but I think "be one of the first to make history/be one of the world first at x" removes a lot of the buzz from it since it's kinda self contradictory, so for marketing reasons it's better to slightly change the wording of what it is they're world first at.
It will definitely be the world first decentralized community hiring effort anyway, so we're not being dishonest about it being a world first. As long as we are honest we should go for the most epic and eye-catching event name possible, to maximize the attention and value we can get out of it. But let's see what names people can come up with, maybe we can find something everyone likes.
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Don't say "first person" because there are already about 5 individuals being funded by BTS.
I already sort of addressed this in the post but I guess I should expand a bit on my reasoning, posting from nullstreet:
When pitching this to the broader community I don't think we should give up or condition the "world first" and "historical" buzzwords, just alter the context. Since people will never have been exposed to this phenomena before it will make sense to them that this is the world first, and if the pitch is epic enough with "make history bla bla" even the bitcoiners will get excited by it. Maybe we should change it to "be the first person in the world to get headhunted by a blockchain!" Or "worlds first blockchain job opening for everyone". Maybe I'm simply wrong, but I think "be one of the first to make history/be one of the world first at x" removes a lot of the buzz from it since it's kinda self contradictory, so for marketing reasons it's better to slightly change the wording of what it is they're world first at.
It will definitely be the world first decentralized community hiring effort anyway, so we're not being dishonest about it being a world first. As long as we are honest we should go for the most epic and eye-catching event name possible, to maximize the attention and value we can get out of it. But let's see what names people can come up with, maybe we can find something everyone likes.
Agreed, "headhunted" is good in my opinion, you can also spin the fact that it's the first "outsider" I suppose.
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I'd say, don't give people ammunition to shoot you down when you make claims like 'worlds first', otherwise you'll spend a lot of time firefighting and back-tracking instead of discussing the good points.
At the very least, put a * marker around the claim and then in the small print describe the details of why they wouldn't technically be the first.
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I'd say, don't give people ammunition to shoot you down when you make claims like 'worlds first', otherwise you'll spend a lot of time firefighting and back-tracking instead of discussing the good points.
At the very least, put a * marker around the claim and then in the small print describe the details of why they wouldn't technically be the first.
Good point, everything we say will be used against us. But I think the answer isnt to make a disclaimer, it's to find a good title that ensures we're being honest. "First decentralized job opening" actually seems legit to me. Toast was the worlds first autonomous blockchain employee but we haven't yet hired a delegate through a "job opening, apply now" process, so that still seems very newsworthy and a genuine world first to me.
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I like "headhunted by a blockchain". Even though it sounds a bit like a horror-movie :)
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I like "headhunted by a blockchain". Even though it sounds a bit like a horror-movie :)
That's definitely got an air of Skynet about it!
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I wrote an article for this and posted it to nullstreet.
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I wrote an article for this and posted it to nullstreet.
looks great! Could see that get picked up by the same kind of mainstream reporters that arent necessarily pro-blockchain but still find it curious, a rather broad group with many potential customers and investors. If we combine it with a direct pitch to blockchain app developers and curious bitcoiners this could have a pretty big impact. And then we can coordinate it with the beginning of methodX's ad campaign to maintain momentum. December is gonna be exciting.
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Make a job for your self.
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I wrote an article for this and posted it to nullstreet.
Looks great, already posted some thoughts. I will nudge the rest of the guys at Nullstreet to look it over, it should be a top priority. Bitmarket has volunteered to create a video explanation to accompany the press release.
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Make a job for your self.
I love this!!
With DPOS, you create your own job. You pitch exactly the value you can bring to the community at the fair market rate, and they decide if they think you are honest and competent.
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Don't say "first person" because there are already about 5 individuals being funded by BTS.
Yeah I know, one of the first people. We've been discussing that on nullstreet. You should come join us bytemaster :)
No he shouldn't... He should be slaving away over a keyboard getting us to 1.0 :P
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Make a job for your self.
I love this!!
With DPOS, you create your own job. You pitch exactly the value you can bring to the community at the fair market rate, and they decide if they think you are honest and competent.
That statement will look great on the we're hiring page!
Nullstreet characters, please read Matt608's rough and review the implementation proposal.
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'yourself' is one word.
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Don't say "first person" because there are already about 5 individuals being funded by BTS.
Yeah I know, one of the first people. We've been discussing that on nullstreet. You should come join us bytemaster :)
No he shouldn't... He should be slaving away over a keyboard getting us to 1.0 :P
Truth 8)
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Upvote please: http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2nouij/make_2500_a_month_being_one_of_the_first_persons/
Don't expect a flood of traffic from this. This is just a test run to work out any kinks in our message.
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I'm adding mail to the desktop wallet. I'd like to use that for the lightweight wallet. I am anxious to use the jslib code and mature it. The web wallet will need to become a little more modular so we can reuse parts for the phone/web or desktop.
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...and, well um, I am in need of the position!
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Upvote please: http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2nouij/make_2500_a_month_being_one_of_the_first_persons/
Don't expect a flood of traffic from this. This is just a test run to work out any kinks in our message.
+5% Cool
I like the Decentralised Shark Tank or Dragons Den comparison.
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...and, well um, I am in need of the position!
You should create a delegate already! Since you have already done work for the community and can prove your competence in your application you should get voted in relatively easy.
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That thread is already a home run. Great advertising for BitShares.
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I'm adding mail to the desktop wallet. I'd like to use that for the lightweight wallet. I am anxious to use the jslib code and mature it. The web wallet will need to become a little more modular so we can reuse parts for the phone/web or desktop.
Why not just use bootstrap or something and do a mobile frontend for that and use jslib? That way its same code just different frontend?
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Don't say "first person" because there are already about 5 individuals being funded by BTS.
Yes, we now have elected 6 paid delegates.
But we can definitely say "be one of the first people ever hired by a blockchain!"
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Don't say "first person" because there are already about 5 individuals being funded by BTS.
Yes, we now have elected 6 paid delegates.
But we can definitely say "be one of the first people ever hired by a blockchain!"
The message was changed to being one of the first.
http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2nouij/make_2500_a_month_being_one_of_the_first_persons/
As a reminder, this was just a test case. We didn't even hit the marketing lists yet. I'm working with Bitmarket to create an AMA and Google Hangout inviting new people outside the community to discuss how it all works. For our marketing and devs, please touch base with Bitmarket.
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Hello all,
Let me introduce myself, I am Giannis Dzegoutanis, founder of the Coinomi universal wallet. It is native Android wallet that give users the control of their private keys by using a deterministic key chain (BIP44 standard). The current version in the Play Stores supports only BTC, LTC and DOGE, while the beta that will be publicly released this Monday will add support for 5 more coins.
I have been watching the BitsharesX from the time of ProtoShares and I like what you are doing. The BitUSD asset is something that the community needs right now (along with similar efforts like NuBits).
Coinomi could benefit BitsharesX by providing a simple to use, mobile wallet and BitsharesX could help Coinomi by acting as an angel investor. With the founds gathered, our team will develop native versions for various platforms like iOS, WP, and the 3 desktop OSes. Everything is obviously open source.
Here are some screenshots of the latest Android version:
(http://i.imgur.com/mJaCpoM.png) (http://i.imgur.com/e0zjqOT.png)
If you want to try the beta yourself, follow the instructions here posted on the Coinomi google groups newsletter (sorry, the forum does not allow me to post external links)
I would like to hear your feedback, usability complains, ideas, etc!
Sincerely,
Giannis
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Hello all,
Let me introduce myself, I am Giannis Dzegoutanis, founder of the Coinomi universal wallet. It is native Android wallet that give users the control of their private keys by using a deterministic key chain (BIP44 standard). The current version in the Play Stores supports only BTC, LTC and DOGE, while the beta that will be publicly released this Monday will add support for 5 more coins.
I have been watching the BitsharesX from the time of ProtoShares and I like what you are doing. The BitUSD asset is something that the community needs right now (along with similar efforts like NuBits).
Coinomi could benefit BitsharesX by providing a simple to use, mobile wallet and BitsharesX could help Coinomi by acting as an angel investor. With the founds gathered, our team will develop native versions for various platforms like iOS, WP, and the 3 desktop OSes. Everything is obviously open source.
Here are some screenshots of the latest Android version:
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If you want to try the beta yourself, follow the instructions here posted on the Coinomi google groups newsletter (sorry, the forum does not allow me to post external links)
I would like to hear your feedback, usability complains, ideas, etc!
Sincerely,
Giannis
Welcome, Giannis!
We could use more mobile developers around here. How familiar are you with BitShares tech already? Are you looking to be employed directly by the blockchain?
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Wow, that was some quick results!
Giannis, you have to understand that the blockchain can only offer one deal: A paid delegate. If you apply to become one, you will be expected to work primarily on bitshares, although currently as the delegate pay only covers a part time job I guess you can work on bitshares in your "paid time" and work on other coins in your "spare time". But you need to convince shareholders in your application that you are loyal primarily to them, or they will not trust you as a delegate.
Bitshares is a bit more complicated to have implement into a wallet, at least if you plan to implement name registration and decentralized exchange features. As a developer you will be able to research the potential of bitshares, use your own knowledge to determine how it can best be implemented on mobile (probably through your existing platform), and then turn the whole thing into a pitch for a delegate application to the community. If you are skilled and trustworthy, and you are willing to do your best, then the market will consider you profitable and vote you in as a delegate.
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Giannis, you have to understand that the blockchain can only offer one deal: A paid delegate.
While this is true theres no need for all developers to become delegates themselves. If Giannis doesn't want to become a delegate he can pitch his contribution in the delegate subforum and a trusted technical delegate can offer to start up a 100% pay delegate and pay him a portion, keeping hold of the extra funds for other projects.
Riverhead talked about setting up a 'projects' delegate, which I think we need. He would then be a 'division head' and Giannis 'employed' by Riverhead.
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Giannis, you have to understand that the blockchain can only offer one deal: A paid delegate.
While this is true theres no need for all developers to become delegates themselves. If Giannis doesn't want to become a delegate he can pitch his contribution in the delegate subforum and a trusted technical delegate can offer to start up a 100% pay delegate and pay him a portion, keeping hold of the extra funds for other projects.
Riverhead talked about setting up a 'projects' delegate.
You're right, however it's important to remember that the people who are paid by project delegates do not work for the blockchain, they work for the project delegate (especially since the responsibility of campaigning will probably lie with the project delegate). I used to think this was a bad thing since it increases the risk of getting gox'd, but I've come to realize it is necessary for efficiency. In this case it looks like there's already a team of sorts so I think it would make sense for them to run their own delegate and campaign for themselves, but anything is possible and I'm super excited to see the kind of employment systems we end up getting for developers. It's gonna be awesome.
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@Troglodactyl I am familiar with Bitcoin family source code and the low level protocol. BitsharesX is a new beast to me but I from a quick look of the bitshares repo, there are similar concepts.
@Rune understood, thanks for clarifying. Even if we cannot collaborate, I am very excited about the potential of this idea!
The concept of Coinomi is that of a thin client or Electrum-like architecture. This means that there is a server-side component (Electrum server TX indexer) that offloads massive complexity from the mobile device while still not storing any user keys on the servers. With BitsharesX the approach will be similar, bunch of server/nodes will serve blockchain data on demand to the mobile clients. When the user wants to send money, the client will create a Bitshares TX, sign it and broadcast it via the server. It's not pure p2p but there will be the option for the user to use their own node.
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@Troglodactyl I am familiar with Bitcoin family source code and the low level protocol. BitsharesX is a new beast to me but I from a quick look of the bitshares repo, there are similar concepts.
@Rune understood, thanks for clarifying. Even if we cannot collaborate, I am very excited about the potential of this idea!
The concept of Coinomi is that of a thin client or Electrum-like architecture. This means that there is a server-side component (Electrum server TX indexer) that offloads massive complexity from the mobile device while still not storing any user keys on the servers. With BitsharesX the approach will be similar, bunch of server/nodes will serve blockchain data on demand to the mobile clients. When the user wants to send money, the client will create a Bitshares TX, sign it and broadcast it via the server. It's not pure p2p but there will be the option for the user to use their own node.
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+1
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What we need is a bounty delegate who will post the appropriate bounties on an as needed basis. It's the difference between hiring an employee and a contractor. The "be the first person in history to get hired by a blockchain" is intended to kill two birds with one stone:
1. Genuine publicity
2. Gets a valuable thing done
That is/was my thought process.
We could also put a "FUND ME" icon next to each delegate inside Bitshares, so that users can pay delegates, maybe latter even fund individual projects. Could also have continuing payments, instead of one time payment.
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@Troglodactyl I am familiar with Bitcoin family source code and the low level protocol. BitsharesX is a new beast to me but I from a quick look of the bitshares repo, there are similar concepts.
@Rune understood, thanks for clarifying. Even if we cannot collaborate, I am very excited about the potential of this idea!
The concept of Coinomi is that of a thin client or Electrum-like architecture. This means that there is a server-side component (Electrum server TX indexer) that offloads massive complexity from the mobile device while still not storing any user keys on the servers. With BitsharesX the approach will be similar, bunch of server/nodes will serve blockchain data on demand to the mobile clients. When the user wants to send money, the client will create a Bitshares TX, sign it and broadcast it via the server. It's not pure p2p but there will be the option for the user to use their own node.
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How much in funds are you seeking and when is a estimated time you could provide a beta release with bts and bitUSD included?
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@Troglodactyl I am familiar with Bitcoin family source code and the low level protocol. BitsharesX is a new beast to me but I from a quick look of the bitshares repo, there are similar concepts.
@Rune understood, thanks for clarifying. Even if we cannot collaborate, I am very excited about the potential of this idea!
The concept of Coinomi is that of a thin client or Electrum-like architecture. This means that there is a server-side component (Electrum server TX indexer) that offloads massive complexity from the mobile device while still not storing any user keys on the servers. With BitsharesX the approach will be similar, bunch of server/nodes will serve blockchain data on demand to the mobile clients. When the user wants to send money, the client will create a Bitshares TX, sign it and broadcast it via the server. It's not pure p2p but there will be the option for the user to use their own node.
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I never liked the concept of supernodes but it could fit quite well using delegate idea
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@Gentso1 Difficult to estimate. It depends on how much support the core developers can give, if the BitsharesX RPC is supperior to Bitcoin's so no Electrum-like indexer is needed. It took 6 months of development to arrive at the current level with the Coinomi wallet but I had already a good grasp of the Bitcoin protocol. If I can guess, I would say that in the best case it will take about a month for the basic functionality. For the funding would like to cover the server expences and support a 2-3 person team for at least 6 months so we could develop additional clients for the rest of the platforms.
@jsidhu it would be helpful to get the core devs input on this matter. Mobile is challenging because we have low power and memory, erratic and slow connections. Mobile is important because we want people to use crypto-currency in super markets :)
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@Gentso1 Difficult to estimate. It depends on how much support the core developers can give, if the BitsharesX RPC is supperior to Bitcoin's so no Electrum-like indexer is needed. It took 6 months of development to arrive at the current level with the Coinomi wallet but I had already a good grasp of the Bitcoin protocol. If I can guess, I would say that in the best case it will take about a month for the basic functionality. For the funding would like to cover the server expences and support a 2-3 person team for at least 6 months so we could develop additional clients for the rest of the platforms.
@jsidhu it would be helpful to get the core devs input on this matter. Mobile is challenging because we have low power and memory, erratic and slow connections. Mobile is important because we want people to use crypto-currency in super markets :)
Thanks, I know how challenging it can be to answer questions like that but it's important to have a timetable on this end.
I took the time to d/l you app and check it out and it is very slick.
Setup is straightforward and the interface is very nice. Addresses can be shared in a bunch of different ways which is great.
Even if bts/bitUSD isn't added I am going to keep your app until I find one better or a reason not to like it any more :)