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Title: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 18, 2015, 10:41:13 am
Belgium is right up the tracks from where I live.
Getting us a SWIFT code will allow SWIFTNet to exchange BitShares' products to/from over 10,800 financial institutions in 209 countries.
Just two of my "business contacts" (eat your heart out BM) have the power to connect us and I can get that ball rolling.
 
#1 I need your votes, please. (see my signature below)
#2 We need DPOS 2.0 and blockchain-HR as per the 10 requirements in my Poll (bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16373.0.html) ASAP.
 
I am formally requesting a transparent consensus amongst the community here before I do anything. Good? Bad?
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: xeroc on May 18, 2015, 10:54:03 am
I am formally requesting a transparent consensus amongst the community here before I do anything. Good? Bad?
Wait for the next release of BitShares before attempting to integrate it anywhere! .. seriously
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Ben Mason on May 18, 2015, 10:56:43 am
I support all your hard work, networking, galvanizing, idea generation etc.

As long as Bitshares is not required to alter it's core values by compromising power-over-consensus by every network participant or fully decentralized markets in order to reach compliance then great.  If financial institutions want to use the Bitshares platform then great.  Just bear in mind that if the people decide to use Bitshares, the existing financial institutions will be dust and the new financial institutions will rise from the ranks of the people using Bitshares in short order.

The priority now should not be marketing or price or market cap.  It's getting the product right for the billions of ordinary people who are about to start demanding something new.

It's also probably worth waiting until we understand the impact of the next big releases.....
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: cass on May 18, 2015, 10:57:36 am
I am formally requesting a transparent consensus amongst the community here before I do anything. Good? Bad?
Wait for the next release of BitShares before attempting to integrate it anywhere! .. seriously

THISSSSS
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 18, 2015, 11:07:37 am
How's the new website coming along cass?
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 18, 2015, 12:14:00 pm
So besides the reliable nodes, and the 2 or 3 coders that are actually coding right now (Vikram is a GOD and I will make SURE him and his top 2 choices get paid properly if it ever comes to that), what are the other 70+ paid Delegates doing with our money today? Tomorrow? Friday?
 
DPOS 2.0 and blockchain-HR ability better be at the top of their list. Mark my words, this company will fail hard (thanx, voter apathy) if the basic accountability is not required. Dan and Stan are not business people, at all. I would have fired them and their puppies 2 months ago.
 
I'm not going to bring anyone to this blockchain if they don't code in what a successful company needs, especially a globally distributed one.
 
Dan Larimer's (enough hiding behind your childish name) "big" announcements, his new PR expert, his "business contacts", his secretive (instead of transparent) nature, his lack of response to any of our demands, his amazing new website designer and seo/sep expert, his "17,000" lines of mystery code, his "summer surprise" etc...... My patience is wearing thin.
 
You said "1st of June" Dan Larimer.. Our money is where your mouth is.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Riverhead on May 18, 2015, 01:01:57 pm
DPOS 2.0 and blockchain-HR ability better be at the top of their list. Mark my words, this company will fail hard (thanx, voter apathy) if the basic accountability is not required. Dan and Stan are not business people, at all. I would have fired them and their puppies 2 months ago. 

Just so we're clear: Are you suggesting Dan and Stan should have been fired or two of the people they hired?
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: cass on May 18, 2015, 01:33:39 pm
So besides the reliable nodes, and the 2 or 3 coders that are actually coding right now (Vikram is a GOD and I will make SURE him and his top 2 choices get paid properly if it ever comes to that), what are the other 70+ paid Delegates doing with our money today? Tomorrow? Friday?
 
DPOS 2.0 and blockchain-HR ability better be at the top of their list. Mark my words, this company will fail hard (thanx, voter apathy) if the basic accountability is not required. Dan and Stan are not business people, at all. I would have fired them and their puppies 2 months ago.
 
I'm not going to bring anyone to this blockchain if they don't code in what a successful company needs, especially a globally distributed one.
 
Dan Larimer's (enough hiding behind your childish name) "big" announcements, his new PR expert, his "business contacts", his secretive (instead of transparent) nature, his lack of response to any of our demands, his amazing new website designer and seo/sep expert, his "17,000" lines of mystery code, his "summer surprise" etc...... My patience is wearing thin.
 
You said "1st of June" Dan Larimer.. Our money is where your mouth is.

just wow !



Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 18, 2015, 02:01:17 pm
DPOS 2.0 and blockchain-HR ability better be at the top of their list. Mark my words, this company will fail hard (thanx, voter apathy) if the basic accountability is not required. Dan and Stan are not business people, at all. I would have fired them and their puppies 2 months ago. 
Just so we're clear: Are you suggesting Dan and Stan should have been fired or two of the people they hired?

We don't need to pay puppy people or those who blow hot air up the bag(oops I mean share)holders asses.
 
Vikram is a GOD and he knows it. I'll protect him and his chosen few if it ever comes down to that.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: karnal on May 18, 2015, 02:04:24 pm
I'm not sure if dividing the community like this is such a good idea.

Chill people.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: lil_jay890 on May 18, 2015, 02:12:31 pm
DPOS 2.0 and blockchain-HR ability better be at the top of their list. Mark my words, this company will fail hard (thanx, voter apathy) if the basic accountability is not required. Dan and Stan are not business people, at all. I would have fired them and their puppies 2 months ago. 
Just so we're clear: Are you suggesting Dan and Stan should have been fired or two of the people they hired?

We don't need to pay puppy people or those who blow hot air up the bag(oops I mean share)holders asses.
 
Vikram is a GOD and he knows it. I'll protect him and his chosen few if it ever comes down to that.

I think you may be judging too much by github.  Vikram handles the releases of new versions of bitshares, so it will look like he is doing an inordinate amount of coding vs the other devs.

I can agree with you on Stan with some points, as he was elected so that he could keep Dan "sane".  Its hard to quantify what contributions he brings to bts, but I will put faith that he is working hard to see bts succeed.

17,000 of code != hot air.  Plus there will be ample documentation coming out that will help you with the business ventures your looking at doing.  Pushing to have this released now vs in 2 weeks isn't worth the bug risk imo.  Remember the old adage "Measure Twice, Cut Once".
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 18, 2015, 02:36:02 pm
I think you may be judging too much by github.  Vikram handles the releases of new versions of bitshares, so it will look like he is doing an inordinate amount of coding vs the other devs.

In my Poll, I requested 10 teeny tiny little features in the code, that's it. BitShares could use those features, but I doubt they will because most employees here don't want to be held accountable for anything. I WILL use those features when building DAC's. The ABILITY to offer Blockchain-HR will make the whales happy as well as employers like myself hiring a globally distributed staff. I never had that ability before and it would have saved my software company a mountain of manhour$.
 
I can agree with you on Stan with some points, as he was elected so that he could keep Dan "sane".  Its hard to quantify what contributions he brings to bts

Uh huh, and what should we do about that? Oh wait, I know, how about we vote him out? pffft (voter apathy) How about we let Blockchain-HR force him to produce something of value? Again, I direct you to my 10-point plan in the Poll.
 
17,000 of code != hot air.  Plus there will be ample documentation coming out that will help you with the business ventures your looking at doing.

Will we hold him to that? Will he meet his own deadline this time?
 
Will it offer what Whales and DAC Builders require?
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Krills on May 18, 2015, 02:45:45 pm
We don't need to pay puppy people or those who blow hot air up the bag(oops I mean share)holders asses.
+5%

hot air like this??
If you saw what brian+cass+marketing bros were up to I think you'd be ok with waiting another month or so before a "big" push. I hate vague promises of "something big is coming", but actually...

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

We will quickly start loosing our launch benefit window for marketing by the end of Sept IMO.  I hope whatever they have cooking is VERY substantial.  Enough to overcome this lost opportunity.



Relax and enjoy the chance to spend one more paycheck at these prices.    ;)

The window they plan to open is to a whole new world of users who have never even heard of coinmarketcap.

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050809073106/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/9/94/Crew_observes_the_american_revolution.jpg/180px-Crew_observes_the_american_revolution.jpg)

This, in turn, will place BTSX at #2 on coinmarketcap and constitute the real cryptogeek "launch benefit window" you are talking about.
"Roads?  Where we're going they don't need roads!"

(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr03/28/21/anigif_enhanced-buzz-19236-1383009679-5.gif)
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: fav on May 18, 2015, 02:48:15 pm
doing things for the sake of doing things won't help. please calm down Ken and let BM & Co do their thing.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: xeroc on May 18, 2015, 02:51:17 pm
doing things for the sake of doing things won't help. please calm down Ken and let BM & Co do their thing.
This.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Ben Mason on May 18, 2015, 02:55:16 pm
DPOS 2.0 and blockchain-HR ability better be at the top of their list. Mark my words, this company will fail hard (thanx, voter apathy) if the basic accountability is not required. Dan and Stan are not business people, at all. I would have fired them and their puppies 2 months ago. 
Just so we're clear: Are you suggesting Dan and Stan should have been fired or two of the people they hired?

We don't need to pay puppy people or those who blow hot air up the bag(oops I mean share)holders asses.
 
Vikram is a GOD and he knows it. I'll protect him and his chosen few if it ever comes down to that.

Kencode, my support for your drive and passion is well documented but i'm at a loss as to what has changed for you?  I say this with great respect but your tone seems to have changed dramatically and the announcements you've made about who has and has not been working hard amongst the core development team seems the result of rather shallow analysis.  You are as well informed as anyone on this forum and are aware that a lot of development has been being done and is shortly to be released.  I don't understand why you are venting now....it won't improve the quality of the work that has been done.  Why not give the architects of the software the benefit of doubt......they are after all the reason Bitshares exists.  Once the latest release has been made we'll test it out and if something isn't working right, we'll innovate some more.....it's that simple.  There is absolutely zero need to attack stan who's certainly provided more value than many of us and in ways you are unable to measure.....you can't blame voter apathy simply because consensus indicates something that is counter to what you believe.  Any development that you have specifically requested will no doubt be reviewed and implemented assuming it hasn't been already and it makes sense to do so.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Ben Mason on May 18, 2015, 03:03:15 pm
We don't need to pay puppy people or those who blow hot air up the bag(oops I mean share)holders asses.
+5%

hot air like this??
If you saw what brian+cass+marketing bros were up to I think you'd be ok with waiting another month or so before a "big" push. I hate vague promises of "something big is coming", but actually...

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

We will quickly start loosing our launch benefit window for marketing by the end of Sept IMO.  I hope whatever they have cooking is VERY substantial.  Enough to overcome this lost opportunity.



Relax and enjoy the chance to spend one more paycheck at these prices.    ;)

The window they plan to open is to a whole new world of users who have never even heard of coinmarketcap.

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050809073106/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/9/94/Crew_observes_the_american_revolution.jpg/180px-Crew_observes_the_american_revolution.jpg)

This, in turn, will place BTSX at #2 on coinmarketcap and constitute the real cryptogeek "launch benefit window" you are talking about.
"Roads?  Where we're going they don't need roads!"

(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr03/28/21/anigif_enhanced-buzz-19236-1383009679-5.gif)

Jeepers Creepers!  Can't anyone have any fun anymore?  Anyone who has done their due dilligence knows that all crypto is a massively risky investment.  Assuming anyone involved has a degree of competency then musings about future success can be taken in that context!!  I can't believe it is necessary to defend the core of our own bl00dy community!

The Thrill of Victory and the Agony of Defeat!

(http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/BB/DA27309BC9208060BBDCF1C41E6334.jpg)
A famous line from the old ABC Wide World of Sports intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2AZH4FeGsc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2AZH4FeGsc)

The risks and rewards of BitShares are yours to keep!

We appreciate the good will and patience of all those who joined us on the ground floor of BitShares last year.
(Those without good will and patience didn't stay long.)

With all the attention we have been getting lately, there are a lot more getting in on what is now the second floor.
(This is still a very good place to get on when the top of the skyscraper under construction reaches beyond the clouds.)

Many understand that they are joining a Great Experiment.
And they are prepared to accept the certain risks that come with the potential rewards.

Others come expecting easy rewards where somebody else does the work and takes the risks for them.
Those things never go together.

So this *GENERAL WARNING* is placed here as a caution to all:

BitShares is an industry under development.
You have a chance to participate in that development.

Its products are highly experimental, immature, and full of bugs.
They have been made available so early adopters can help test them.
They are likely to break on you at the worst possible time.
You should not trust them.
You should double check everything they do.
You should experiment with very small amounts before doing anything big.
You should not do anything big.
You should realize that what worked yesterday should be double-checked today.

We could wait until it is perfect before letting you participate.
But by then the rewards you might get would be reduced by as much as the risks.

That's why the disclaimer you accepted before you could first launch the software warned that the software comes with no guarantees to be good for anything at all.

You did read that didn't you?
 :)
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6277.msg83830#msg83830 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6277.msg83830#msg83830)

It bluntly disclaims any warranty, and asserts this explicitly:

Quote
4.1. there is a risk of losing digital tokens when using products provided by this Service and that neither BitShares™,
its community of independent developers, nor DSL have any responsibility to you for any such loss;

BitShares is a decentralized community working to build a new ecosystem for all to enjoy.
It is supported by donations and volunteers only.
It has no profits with which to make guarantees.

It has no way to assume your risks.

It cannot guarantee a completely safe playground.
It cannot guarantee you won't skin your knee.
It cannot guarantee any form of safety at all.
Don't climb any higher than you are prepared to fall.

We are all explorers in a brave new frontier.
And exploration is not for the faint of heart.

 :)
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on May 18, 2015, 03:19:34 pm
We dont need you Ken. Please calm down or find yourself another community.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 18, 2015, 03:33:04 pm
We dont need you Ken. Please calm down or find yourself another community.

You're right 38ptswarrior. We need your image instead. Thank you for clarifying.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: cass on May 18, 2015, 03:34:47 pm
Calm down here all, otherwise i have to close this post!
Thanks for your understanding …
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: lil_jay890 on May 18, 2015, 03:34:55 pm
We dont need you Ken. Please calm down or find yourself another community.

We do need people like Ken.  He has drive and a vision that he isn't afraid to follow.  Some of his ideas are forcing us to think out of the box, which is a good thing.  I think many of his ideas would be very good for bitshares, but they are being proposed as a lump sum and it will take a little bit of time to prioritize and accept those ideas.

Our resources are very limited right now.  Perhaps that changes with the new version of bts that will be released.  Until then, Ken is working with the facts he has in front of him.  He can't be faulted for that.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Ben Mason on May 18, 2015, 03:37:46 pm
We dont need you Ken. Please calm down or find yourself another community.

Sorry 38PTSWarrior, let's try to only speak for ourselves.  We all get frustrated and i'll say it again because one day hopefully everyone will realise this truth, Kencode is an extremely valuable member of this community.  His place is here with us, the same as everyone else.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: karnal on May 18, 2015, 03:41:50 pm
Kencode is an extremely valuable member of this community.  His place is here with us, the same as everyone else.

Yes. Now toke the peace pipe people. While you still have a choice .. :D
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Ben Mason on May 18, 2015, 03:57:23 pm
I'm reminded of the scene (in The Big Lebowski) when The Dude has just been examined by the 'thorough' doctor and he's sitting in his car, smoking a jay, drinking a beer and tapping the roof of his car to 'looking out my back door' with a big smile on his face.....

It goes to sh1t after that when he notices he's being followed, but hey, no feeling lasts forever  8)
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on May 18, 2015, 03:57:48 pm
Speaking for myself. Ken I think the way you talk is bad. It is bad for our image. You push to hard and are always putting yourself in the foreground, as if you are the most important man. You destroy more with this behaviour than you do good. People have to read your stuff and I feel embarrased about you.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 18, 2015, 04:01:23 pm
Then twist it up man, ready to partake in 3, 2, ............... aaah yeah :)
Dan says 2 weeks. Twist me a few more yo..
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: jakub on May 18, 2015, 04:46:24 pm
So everybody please just lean your chair back, kick your feet up and spark up a phatty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMbAANfUJhI#t=14s

you ain't got no problem Ken, we're on the mofo, Dan is The Wolf.
Love you Jesus.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Akado on May 18, 2015, 07:04:50 pm
I seriously hope people aren't biting the hand that fed them. We needed a start point, I3, Dan &co were and are still needed. Sure those new features are awesome, I completely agree with that. But some posts here seem kind of ungrateful. I'm sure everyone works as hard as then can. We don't need that pressure now. What we all need is for the job that was assigned to early June to be delivered, that's all. I don't believe these kind of posts help at all, it only puts unnecessary pressure. I'm not excusing the times people were disappointed, but do we really need this now? Now the only thing we need is for whatever is supposed to be delivered, to be, successfully. Only then we should start pointing what could be improved. Right now the tone of some posts seem kind of unnecessary, even though I (and most others) comprehend and feel the same frustration.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Riverhead on May 18, 2015, 07:15:15 pm

Just remember why we're all here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ

Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: cass on May 18, 2015, 07:29:53 pm
But some posts here seem kind of ungrateful. I'm sure everyone works as hard as then can. We don't need that pressure now. What we all need is for the job that was assigned to early June to be delivered, that's all.

 +5%
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Shentist on May 19, 2015, 06:08:36 pm
i don't get the SWIFT number!

how can you get one? for what is it usable?

How i understand it, you need a company etc. to get one and then what? Could we connect directly to the bank system without any license? I don't think so, or is here a way i don't know?
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Thom on May 19, 2015, 06:41:09 pm

Just remember why we're all here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ

 +5% Carlon was sooo ahead of the curve. He helped to wake a lot of people up to what's going on. Humor is such a powerful tool!

I really miss that guy  :'(
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: JA on May 19, 2015, 06:42:14 pm
i don't get the SWIFT number!

how can you get one? for what is it usable?

How i understand it, you need a company etc. to get one and then what? Could we connect directly to the bank system without any license? I don't think so, or is here a way i don't know?
i would like to know that too! +5%
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 19, 2015, 06:53:36 pm
Banks use it to transfer between different banks in different countries, etc.
If SWIFT will transmit our Public Keys, then every financial institution in their network can sell our products.
From what I understand so far, if banks can sell bitGOLD (for example) then they act as the kyc/aml onramp, not us.
 
Before you guys attack me on this and fearmonger, rest assured I have not developed a Business Plan on this yet, I have our privacy and decentralization in the forefront of my heart and I am asking if this is even something that you would like me to pursue after v1.0 and DPOS 2.0.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Ander on May 19, 2015, 08:21:09 pm
We dont need you Ken. Please calm down or find yourself another community.

We absolutely do need Ken.  We need people who passionately want to help build bitshares.


Dan Larimer is our Steve Wozniac, the technical genius behind the product.  But he has had to try to act like our Steve Jobs as well, and this is not a task he was built for.  Dan hired Brian and Adam to help with these aspects, and so far they havent panned out.  (Maybe Adam still will in the future, we shall see, I still hold out hope for this).


Anyone who can contribute in these business development, project management, and marketing areas is valuable to the community.  We need people like KenCode, very much! We needed people like rgcrypto and MethodX.  They tried hard for a while and got burned out.  It is disappointing to see the BTS price go down so much, so this burnout makes a lot of sense.  I hope they will be back in the future when BTS recovers! 

There are many others in this community contributing as well, in various ways. 


We are all on the same team, every supporter of Bitshares.   We should not fight or discourage each other. 
It is understandable that we are all angry because BTS is down.  We are upset about past failures to deliver, and apprehensive about any delay.  But we must not fight amongst ourselves. 

The mood will get a LOT better as soon as the price begins to rally. 
The mood will also get a LOT better as soon as the big release comes.  (Please devs, neither delay too long, nor have any big bugs that harm the user experience!  We cannot take more of this.  But a delay is still preferable to a terrible experience).

Its necessary that Ken is asking for accountability in delegates, this is important.  We need to not be too lax in our duty as shareholders to police this, but we also cannot be too quick to condemn. 


Lets not take our anger out on each other.  We are all mad about the BTS price, its easy to try to blame.  Instead be nice to everyone working to help bitshares, the recovery is coming.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: oldman on May 19, 2015, 08:42:53 pm
Connecting to SWIFT is a great strategy - if vetted through legal counsel prior. Tail risks etc.

Ken sees what BitShares can be and has the passion to execute.

The community should support his efforts, and I have voted with my stake.

I will say that technical folk and business folk occupy different realities and there is a bit of an art to bridging them.

BitShares is being built by extremely intellegent, extremely talented technical folk.

Soon, very soon, BitShares is going to need some very hard hitting suits to push out into the corporate world.

Ken is jumping the gun a bit, but he and his ilk are the next evolution.

I would say six months before the tech is ready for the first wave - just enough time for Ken and Co. to saddle up.

Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: Shentist on May 19, 2015, 08:43:52 pm
Banks use it to transfer between different banks in different countries, etc.
If SWIFT will transmit our Public Keys, then every financial institution in their network can sell our products.
From what I understand so far, if banks can sell bitGOLD (for example) then they act as the kyc/aml onramp, not us.
 
Before you guys attack me on this and fearmonger, rest assured I have not developed a Business Plan on this yet, I have our privacy and decentralization in the forefront of my heart and I am asking if this is even something that you would like me to pursue after v1.0 and DPOS 2.0.

i am not against it, but it seems to me not anyone can get this.Banks, Brokers etc. and we are far away from this, so i just want to know if you have more information then me!
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: liondani on May 19, 2015, 09:37:45 pm
as long as KenCode stays with us I have more hope about the project...
I will  watching him closely... so I will find out the best buy/sell signals.... (I hope not  sells)  :)
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 20, 2015, 08:05:58 am
My ideas may seem a bit wacky at times, so that's why I'd prefer to Poll them here and see what you guys think. I have my core competencies, but I can't think of everything, ya know?
 
In my Delegate Proposal I mentioned that too. If someone else has a great idea (like the tri-fold flyers for instance) I always give credit where credit is due. I took emailtooaj's design, open sourced it, and now his work is being translated into tons of different languages which increases our exposure 10-fold.
 
Working with SWIFT would save me a ton of manhours and money. Even if I do become a Delegate, you've seen how I just flip that money right back into the BitShares ecosystem anyway. I'll create more jobs and go wide. A wider audience equates to a higher probability of whales entering our space.
 
Thank You all for your votes of confidence!
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: MrJeans on May 20, 2015, 08:53:50 am
Yeah, Ken, you're a pit bull and obviously a better marketer and boss (looking for that accountability) than Dan is, but Dan is the talent, and you and I are nothing without the product that Dan and Toast and Vik and crew make for us.  I know that it feels like you have been patient, but you need to look at what is instead of what you expect.

I believe that Dan means well, and that he has the tools and team to accomplish his dream. 

Believe me, he wants the product to be solid and flexible at the same time.

He is working magic.

He is creating a robot that enforces our constitution.  It is not easy.

I'm super pumped too, but I ain't the tough love type.  I'd give the talent some space, and realize that you have no control over this current creative process.  He is in a period of inspiration, don't kill his buzz.

He is Dock Ellis pitching a perfect game on LSD and you are the rookie telling him that he has a "no no" going:

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ZpmNjePY--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17mqou2x4anobjpg.jpg)

One bobbled ball, and we wind up with a bug that will crash the share price faster than you can say "you're fired"

Take a chill pill, and don't jinx the talent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxen7thd5BU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgOqHLeKGH0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ZUPR1mPeQ


BitShares is bigger than all of us, Dan included, and he would be the first person to admit it.
+5%
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: fav on May 20, 2015, 09:14:46 am
BitShares is bigger than all of us, Dan included, and he would be the first person to admit it.

While this is true, we as shareholders must be very selective in who we give the opportunity to represent bitshares in the public. Shady people / scammers will come for our capital.
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: kenCode on May 20, 2015, 09:49:29 am
I don't know about you guys, but I think Stan has the face and the knowledge for public appearances. I'll build the business with your help and Stan closes them. Fav, can you help with this?
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: fuzzy on May 20, 2015, 09:50:26 am
I'm not sure if dividing the community like this is such a good idea.

Chill people.

Let's eat each other alive!!!! THIS and only this will fix our current problems! 

@karnal, you should have said "Chili people".

(http://i.imgur.com/Q0PwRuX.jpg)
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: cass on May 20, 2015, 10:02:59 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Q0PwRuX.jpg)

loving the dude... :)
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: santaclause102 on May 20, 2015, 01:32:15 pm
Banks use it to transfer between different banks in different countries, etc.
If SWIFT will transmit our Public Keys, then every financial institution in their network can sell our products.
From what I understand so far, if banks can sell bitGOLD (for example) then they act as the kyc/aml onramp, not us.
 
Before you guys attack me on this and fearmonger, rest assured I have not developed a Business Plan on this yet, I have our privacy and decentralization in the forefront of my heart and I am asking if this is even something that you would like me to pursue after v1.0 and DPOS 2.0.

I'd say pursue it if you can make money with it FOR YOURSELF. Then you don't have to ask anyone for permission.

This is along the libertarian ideals the forum and community was build on early on.

Along the same lines: If you are upset about something (= can't see it changing) start your own business. Easy. No need to accuse anyone :)

PS: I am pretty happy with how this community developed and how BM and co are setting things up: More entrepreneurs, less drama ;)
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: jakub on May 20, 2015, 02:05:33 pm
I'd say pursue it if you can make money with it FOR YOURSELF. Then you don't have to ask anyone for permission.
+5% spot-on
Title: Re: Getting a SWIFT code for BitShares - Should I do this?
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on May 20, 2015, 09:27:50 pm
We had here a style of peaceful communications and I wish it stays this way. Stan once said that bytemaster needs time to let out his ideas and when we all waited for the btsx client it took longer but it was coming. This is a strength. It is unimportant if he says “in 2 weeks“ and then it takes 5 instead. For me.