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Update: November 22, 2015
cyber • Fund Public Placement
We are happy to inform you that cyber • Fund (https://cyber.fund/) starts Public Placement (https://cyber.fund/invest)!
Look at conditions now:
cyber • Fund Placement (https://cyber.fund/invest)
cyber • Fund, the first platform that allows users to make informative decisions on investments in cryptoassets (blockchain systems and blockchain applications),
and to create and manage their investment portfolios, starts a public placement campaign crowdselling 3% of its tokens - CFUNDs - to raise money for product/market fit.
cyber•Fund is created by Genesis Agreement (https://cyber.fund/cyberFund_Genesis_Agreement.pdf) as a private blockchain entity and there are
1 000 000 tokens issued using Open Assets Protocol.
Why should you invest in cyber•Fund?
1. cyber•Fund is a platform where anybody could discover everything about blockchain systems and applications. It is the first-choice platform for investors in cryptoassets,
i.e. blockchain systems and applications, on one side, and developers of the blockchain systems and applications who want to attract money, on the other side
2. cyberFund operates in a market of blockchain systems and applications with a huge potential for growth. It operates in a segment of blockchain investment services that
is estimated to be more than 100k bitcoins.
3. To earn money and become a part of a team that shapes future of the blockchain investments.
More detailed information about Public Placement could be found in cyber•Blog:
42 bitcoins sought for cyber•Fund project (https://blog.cyber.fund/42-bitcoins-sought-for-cyber-fund-project-635e08e310da#.9grph6suc)
Update: October 06, 2015
We are happy to inform you - cyber • Fund (https://cyber.fund/welcome) release real time social Portfolio Tracker of blockchain assets!
Look it now:
Try cyber • Fund Portfolio (https://cyber.fund/welcome)
(https://forum.safenetwork.io/uploads/db7405/original/2X/5/5e42dff9fa72ef4e8172482a116aef0844b6f96e.png)
You can try it right now:
https://cyber.fund/welcome
Pubic accounts will be free forever.
Quick overview of features:
1. Real Time Portfolio - show you real time valuation of you cryptocurrencies;
2. Follow Favourites Cryptocurrencies - now you can track only assets that you like;
3. Keep Records of Your Public Keys - you can keep all your public keys in one place, and share your profile with your friends or clients;
4. Follow Best Portfolios`- to make better decision, you can follow public portfolios of other users;
5. Share Assets by Account - you can divide your assets on accounts, to compare in what account investments grow faster or simple keep records;
6. Table with All Your Assets - now you see what equity share of each asset do you have, you can compare or sort it and make your portfolio better.
Look real time public Portfolios of our customers:
- @satoshi_fund (https://cyber.fund/@satoshi_fund)
- @dadealra (https://cyber.fund/@dadealra)
- @ADSactlyCrypto (https://cyber.fund/@ADSactlyCrypto)
- @TrollinTeemo (https://cyber.fund/@TrollinTeemo)
- 21xhipster[/member]]@21xhipster (https://cyber.fund/[member=20504)
- @Lomashuk (https://cyber.fund/@Lomashuk)
More detailed information about Portfolio in cyber•Blog:
Read: How to Track Crypto Portfolio? (https://blog.cyber.fund/how-to-track-your-cryptoportfolio-4e9e84a0e102)
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сyber•Fund (https://cyber.fund/welcome) makes digital investments comprehensible, accessible, easy and safe. сyber•Fund (https://cyber.fund/welcome) believes in a leading role of blockchain and cryptoplatforms in the future, which unite together all the existing technologies into the global Intelligence.
The industry overview could be found in Cybernetic Economy Report 2015 H1 (http://cyberep.cyber.fund/).
Ask questions and discuss everything about blockchains, DAOs, DApps, disruptive math and social consensus innovations on our forum - cyber•Talks (http://cybertalks.org/).
Also, don’t forget that we love to tweet (https://twitter.com/cyberfundio)!
Read more information about сyber•Fund (https://cyber.fund/welcome) and cybereconomy in cyber•Blog (http://blog.cyber.fund/).
Main Updates:
15-11-22 42 bitcoins sought for cyber•Fund project (https://blog.cyber.fund/42-bitcoins-sought-for-cyber-fund-project-635e08e310da#.9grph6suc)
15-10-06 How to Track Your Cryptoportfolio? (https://blog.cyber.fund/how-to-track-your-cryptoportfolio-4e9e84a0e102#.opm67c3ep)
15-08-13 Do your own research with cyber•Fund (https://blog.cyber.fund/do-your-own-research-with-cyber-fund-d751d65925e0)
15-08-04 Cybernetic Economy Report 2015 H1 (https://blog.cyber.fund/cybernetic-economy-report-2015-h1-7f9ed8c26987)
15-07-22 Releasing the Rating (https://blog.cyber.fund/releasing-the-rating-98ea0733b893)
15-03-07 Cybernetic Economy Report 2015 (https://blog.cyber.fund/cyber-fund-newsletter-2-5e250852323b)
Thank you!
Konstantin Lomashuk
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Really nice alternative to coinmarketcap!
Are you looking for contributors?
This kind of info is exactly what I've been waiting to see
Certainly looks like BTS is a real winner
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I like that we are in in the top. :P
Are all the ratings mathematically determined based on the other factors, or is there a human going through at the end and rating things?
A note: For bitUSD it lists inflation as high, but that doesnt really make sense. Other bitAssets are stable as they should be. CoinoUSD also has inflaiton, which I dont think makes sense either for these pegged coins.
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Nice effort but.. what's clearly missing is an explanation on your website what criteria you use for the rating system.
And how did you arrive at valuations of assets which are not traded anywhere e.g. Factom or Ethereum?
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- I could not find your rating criteria in 2 minutes time. Gave up.
- You have problem with your ceritificate. Chrome does not trust your site.
- A small typo on "why login" section : "Early adopters get priveldges."
other than that, keep up the good work.
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Another note:
Bitshares music is liquid (barely), via trading internally in Bitshares. It is the NOTE asset.
You can see info for it here:
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=NOTE
Its actually down about 50% or so from the listed price that you have, its under a million now. It has daily volume in the $1-3k range.
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And I guess some people here will be disappointed that Qora (http://www.qora.org/) is in the "crap" category.
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And you should change the notation for small numbers:
Price per 1 Qora:
Ƀ 7.09308e-8
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I like it, but how are the rankings determined? If BitShares has a few hundred dollars more in trading volume than NXT, does that make it better?
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looking forward for this one https://cyber.fund/portfolio
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I like what you are doing so far.. but you got to clean up your presentation to be more professional.
Using words like shit and fuck in a site about markets just doesn't mix. It's fine to talk like that to your buddies, but anyone serious in this isn't going to take you seriously.
You got great potential here though, and look forward to seeing BunkerShares listed in the top 10 soon enough :) .. just try and clean up the presentation.. because it's everything.
+5%
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Really nice alternative to coinmarketcap!
Thanks... But we don't want to directly compete with CMC. We aim to transform low quality informational service into high quality investment service
Are you looking for contributors?
Sure! What kind of contribution you are looking for?
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Are all the ratings mathematically determined based on the other factors, or is there a human going through at the end and rating things?
Nice effort but.. what's clearly missing is an explanation on your website what criteria you use for the rating system.
And how did you arrive at valuations of assets which are not traded anywhere e.g. Factom or Ethereum?
- I could not find your rating criteria in 2 minutes time. Gave up.
I like it, but how are the rankings determined? If BitShares has a few hundred dollars more in trading volume than NXT, does that make it better?
Nope. Human going through and rate.
That is really complicated issue. To calculate growth rate (or measure feedback loop) I see at least 4 things should be clear for majority of systems:
- precise historical off chain market data
- indexed blockchains
- twitter sentiments analysis
- historical conversion rate within our site
That is actually huge amount of work ahead, so we decide to start from less complicated things and just go further as we gather and analyse more data.
Thanks for a feedback. We'll add description of the rating soon with faces who rated all this stuff.
Once we gather enough data there will be a bounty for a best algo proposal with access to our indexing cluster. Though that is not so close opportunity :-(
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And I guess some people here will be disappointed that Qora (http://www.qora.org/) is in the "crap" category.
Agree. Guys so long stayed in the shadow so... Thanks for notice.
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And you should change the notation for small numbers:
Price per 1 Qora:
Ƀ 7.09308e-8
Thanks. Will be fixed next release
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And I guess some people here will be disappointed that Qora (http://www.qora.org/) is in the "crap" category.
Agree. Guys so long stayed in the shadow so... Thanks for notice.
If the rating is because the creator (Qora) left, are you aware that Qora was picked up by several new developers after the creator left the project, and development is now ongoing, they have had several new releases over the past few months each one containing new features?
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A note: For bitUSD it lists inflation as high, but that doesnt really make sense. Other bitAssets are stable as they should be. CoinoUSD also has inflaiton, which I dont think makes sense either for these pegged coins.
I thought exactly about that. How do you think what metrics make sense for pegged assets instead of inflation/deflation?
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- You have problem with your ceritificate. Chrome does not trust your site.
Thanks. Could you provide more information? Screenshots, Chrome version, OS..
We've tested certificate in all browsers...
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I thought exactly about that. How do you think what metrics make sense for pegged assets instead of inflation/deflation?
Best metric for a pegged asset I think is how far away from the peg it trades on average. So, if it usually trades within 1% or so of the peg, it would be very good, but if it was often 10% or more away it would be terrible.
(Getting solid data on this is hard though. Often when coinmarketcap says that one of these pegged assets is far away from the peg, what actually occurred is that the price of the crypto went up or down a lot, but the pegged asset hant traded since then, so its price hasnt adjusted.
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And I guess some people here will be disappointed that Qora (http://www.qora.org/) is in the "crap" category.
Agree. Guys so long stayed in the shadow so... Thanks for notice.
If the rating is because the creator (Qora) left, are you aware that Qora was picked up by several new developers after the creator left the project, and development is now ongoing, they have had several new releases over the past few months each one containing new features?
Wait until people see v22, which should be released any day now. I have to question the validity of any ranking system that has Qora listed as "Crap". It shows that very little, if any, research was done.
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Another note:
Bitshares music is liquid (barely), via trading internally in Bitshares. It is the NOTE asset.
You can see info for it here:
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=NOTE
Its actually down about 50% or so from the listed price that you have, its under a million now. It has daily volume in the $1-3k range.
Trade volumes counts for Notes.
(https://habrastorage.org/files/04f/274/615/04f27461597a41a2b739c6bf80c07880.png)
We have liquidity grade. Calculated as Daily Volume / Market Cap:
< 0.1% — Illiquid
< 0.3% — Very Low
< 0.5% — Low
< 1% — Normal
< 2% — High
> 2% — Very High
> 3% — Crazy
Do you think we should improve it? Why?
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And I guess some people here will be disappointed that Qora (http://www.qora.org/) is in the "crap" category.
Agree. Guys so long stayed in the shadow so... Thanks for notice.
If the rating is because the creator (Qora) left, are you aware that Qora was picked up by several new developers after the creator left the project, and development is now ongoing, they have had several new releases over the past few months each one containing new features?
Wait until people see v22, which should be released any day now. I have to question the validity of any ranking system that has Qora listed as "Crap". It shows that very little, if any, research was done.
We've use this ranking system internally for almost a year. Thus 'Qora crap thing' is historical stuff and will be reviewed ASAP.
The best solution is to enrich metadata yourself and make a pull request.
https://github.com/cyberFund/chaingear/blob/gh-pages/sources/Qora/Qora.toml
Next thing to release is nice landing pages for systems with an option for customization by developers.
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I thought exactly about that. How do you think what metrics make sense for pegged assets instead of inflation/deflation?
Best metric for a pegged asset I think is how far away from the peg it trades on average. So, if it usually trades within 1% or so of the peg, it would be very good, but if it was often 10% or more away it would be terrible.
(Getting solid data on this is hard though. Often when coinmarketcap says that one of these pegged assets is far away from the peg, what actually occurred is that the price of the crypto went up or down a lot, but the pegged asset hant traded since then, so its price hasnt adjusted.
Yes. It is complicated at these point of time. We would not index Bitshares blockchain until 2.0 came.
Agree that these kind of metric make sense, but that is not exactly about supply. Supply also matter for pegged assets anyway... What about changes in supply: Degradation / Evolution ?
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thanks for the update! ;)
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It seems that since it is human decided, its basically a rating service, similar to stock analysts.
Usually such analysts will call a 5 star pick a "buy" and a 1 star a "sell", instead of referring to something they give 1 star to as "crap". :P
Its kindof funny to see a rating site declare something to be "crap" (especially when one doesnt like it), but it doesnt seem that professional.
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It seems that since it is human decided, its basically a rating service, similar to stock analysts.
Usually such analysts will call a 5 star pick a "buy" and a 1 star a "sell", instead of referring to something they give 1 star to as "crap". :P
Its kindof funny to see a rating site declare something to be "crap" (especially when one doesnt like it), but it doesnt seem that professional.
yeah it'll be interesting to see more of these human and algo rating services develop for crypto. love the write-up for Bitshares about the forward thinking devs.
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+5%
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- You have problem with your ceritificate. Chrome does not trust your site.
Thanks. Could you provide more information? Screenshots, Chrome version, OS..
We've tested certificate in all browsers...
It is ok now. Maybe something was wrong with my browser.
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It seems that since it is human decided, its basically a rating service, similar to stock analysts.
Usually such analysts will call a 5 star pick a "buy" and a 1 star a "sell", instead of referring to something they give 1 star to as "crap". :P
Its kindof funny to see a rating site declare something to be "crap" (especially when one doesnt like it), but it doesnt seem that professional.
Our rating is not about buy / sell rather remember / forget. We don't want to make it for speculations but for long term investments. It is quite possible to calculate positions especially for purposes of speculations. Instead we aim to look deeper.
Statement: If network effect has been established it's impossible to break it.
Thus the more established network effect - the higher the rating. We believe that such approach will allow our users to gain more from investing in blockchains. Look to CoinGecko! The do a great job and try to calculate everything. But Primecoin ranked #18. Compare it with our approach with BitShares music on the #18 posstion. There is your money? In Primecoin or BitShares music?
The deal with cyber•Rating is that I can give personal advice for my personal and social graph to invest in top rated assets, but cannot do it with Coinmarketcap or CoinGecko. Do you?
Unprofessional word "crap"? What word do you like to use for asset like Bilshares (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bilshares/) (don't confuse with BitShares)?
- #62 on Coinmarketcap with cap of $420k
- traded on 1 chinese exchange
- 1 initial commit one year ago
- site don't work
- blockexplorer don't exist
Please suggest professional word and we will use it. :-)
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It's unfortunate some pages do not do there investigation properly.
Here, basically everything is wrong:
https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/bts
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It seems that since it is human decided, its basically a rating service, similar to stock analysts.
Usually such analysts will call a 5 star pick a "buy" and a 1 star a "sell", instead of referring to something they give 1 star to as "crap". :P
Its kindof funny to see a rating site declare something to be "crap" (especially when one doesnt like it), but it doesnt seem that professional.
Our rating is not about buy / sell rather remember / forget. We don't want to make it for speculations but for long term investments. It is quite possible to calculate positions especially for purposes of speculations. Instead we aim to look deeper.
Statement: If network effect has been established it's impossible to break it.
Thus the more established network effect - the higher the rating. We believe that such approach will allow our users to gain more from investing in blockchains. Look to CoinGecko! The do a great job and try to calculate everything. But Primecoin ranked #18. Compare it with our approach with BitShares music on the #18 posstion. There is your money? In Primecoin or BitShares music?
The deal with cyber•Rating is that I can give personal advice for my personal and social graph to invest in top rated assets, but cannot do it with Coinmarketcap or CoinGecko. Do you?
Unprofessional word "crap"? What word do you like to use for asset like Bilshares (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bilshares/) (don't confuse with BitShares)?
- #62 on Coinmarketcap with cap of $420k
- traded on 1 chinese exchange
- 1 initial commit one year ago
- site don't work
- blockexplorer don't exist
Please suggest professional word and we will use it. :-)
n/A
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How is it possible that ethereum has a bigger BTC marketcap, compared with bitshares, but not $ wise?
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n/A
Please explain what you mean! :-)
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How is it possible that ethereum has a bigger BTC marketcap, compared with bitshares, but not $ wise?
It's just sorted by BTC valuation...
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Update: August 10, 2015 Cybernetic Economy Report 2015 H1 (http://cyberep.cyber.fund)
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Update: August 19, 2015 - cyber • Fund Release the Portrait (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17649.0.html)
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Update: August 19, 2015 - cyber • Fund Release the Portrait
Was this supposed to have a link?
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All information about release in the first post.
Also add the link)
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Hi guys!
Recently we released 3 new features:
Radar
Allow you to see upcoming crowdsales into meaningful blockchain or consensus based projects.
(https://forum.safenetwork.io/uploads/db7405/optimized/2X/1/1b8c5e5c5be5dd34aa151362e4a072f9b3c9fc8a_1_690x395.jpg)
Hashcoon like it. Who is he? He was born as first cat with dream to use bitcoins.
Portfolio
Allow you to socially track you blockchain investment portfolio in one convenient place.
(https://forum.safenetwork.io/uploads/db7405/optimized/2X/f/f66566a028543cfc4e4883b62d3e42dca656abf0_1_690x382.png)
We are beta testing now! So need any feedback.
Portfolio feature for public accounts is free forever. For private accounts it is free only while in beta.
PM me your Skype! I'd love to hangout with you about your experience!
Profile
Just let you publish your addresses with some meaningful data
(https://forum.safenetwork.io/uploads/db7405/optimized/2X/f/f1b6c11a31ab4d180cfd92f0df9f2aae34a483a0_1_690x363.png)
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(https://forum.safenetwork.io/uploads/db7405/optimized/2X/a/ad457b289579b176af799b8a95aa7e8b084a196e_1_690x335.png)
Look what guys are doing with cyber•Fund :smile: That is like Github, but for new kind of money!
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Portfolio feature for public accounts is free forever. For private accounts it is free only while in beta.
PM me your Skype! I'd love to hangout with you about your experience!
that's kind of a no-go. Private Portfolio is an essential in my opinion. no private person will showcase their investments to the world.
why not offer account upgrades instead to generate revenue?
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Please explain what you mean under "Accounts Upgrade"?
Our basic assumption stems from Github model that proved to be viable.
Money like a code. If they opened, they could generate organic growth for a service (remember that there are a lot of undiscovered yet cases there open model is needed) and create public good. If they closed - they could not. Thus this services should be paid to recover costs of public goods.
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Please explain what you mean under "Accounts Upgrade"?
Our basic assumption stems from Github model that proved to be viable.
Money like a code. If they opened, they could generate organic growth for a service (remember that there are a lot of undiscovered yet cases there open model is needed) and create public good. If they closed - they could not. Thus this services should be paid to recover costs of public goods.
there are lots of things to offer as paid bonus. eg adding more coins to portfolia, update times.
but I'd expect that my investment is hidden to the public, unlike github, we're talking about peoples money. it's the core feature in my opinion
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Please explain what you mean under "Accounts Upgrade"?
Our basic assumption stems from Github model that proved to be viable.
Money like a code. If they opened, they could generate organic growth for a service (remember that there are a lot of undiscovered yet cases there open model is needed) and create public good. If they closed - they could not. Thus this services should be paid to recover costs of public goods.
there are lots of things to offer as paid bonus. eg adding more coins to portfolia, update times.
but I'd expect that my investment is hidden to the public, unlike github, we're talking about peoples money. it's the core feature in my opinion
Business model is a complicated thing... We, of course, should try to invent a better wheel :-) So your idea matters.
What if, let's say, service will offer one free private account with unlimited assets? Would that fit for you?
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Please explain what you mean under "Accounts Upgrade"?
Our basic assumption stems from Github model that proved to be viable.
Money like a code. If they opened, they could generate organic growth for a service (remember that there are a lot of undiscovered yet cases there open model is needed) and create public good. If they closed - they could not. Thus this services should be paid to recover costs of public goods.
there are lots of things to offer as paid bonus. eg adding more coins to portfolia, update times.
but I'd expect that my investment is hidden to the public, unlike github, we're talking about peoples money. it's the core feature in my opinion
Business model is a complicated thing... We, of course, should try to invent a better wheel :-) So your idea matters.
What if, let's say, service will offer one free private account with unlimited assets? Would that fit for you?
yes!
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Please explain what you mean under "Accounts Upgrade"?
Our basic assumption stems from Github model that proved to be viable.
Money like a code. If they opened, they could generate organic growth for a service (remember that there are a lot of undiscovered yet cases there open model is needed) and create public good. If they closed - they could not. Thus this services should be paid to recover costs of public goods.
there are lots of things to offer as paid bonus. eg adding more coins to portfolia, update times.
but I'd expect that my investment is hidden to the public, unlike github, we're talking about peoples money. it's the core feature in my opinion
Business model is a complicated thing... We, of course, should try to invent a better wheel :-) So your idea matters.
What if, let's say, service will offer one free private account with unlimited assets? Would that fit for you?
yes!
After a long internal debates we decide to offer 14 day free trial on private accounts.
But they could be basically free, because eventually could be paid in tokens that you can earn doing good things :-)
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New Updates at the TOP
October 06, 2015 - cyber•Fund Release Real Time Portfolio Tracker (https://blog.cyber.fund/how-to-track-your-cryptoportfolio-4e9e84a0e102)
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I'm happy to announce now BitShares is available in cyber•Fund real time portfolio tracker (https://cyber.fund/@Lomashuk). So you can easy control your portfolio valuation of BitShares and other cryptoasset that you have in real time.
Look how we do it with our funds - https://cyber.fund/@satoshi_fund
If you are a developer you can easy improve BitShares main page using Chaingear (https://github.com/cyberFund/chaingear) on github. Stellar, Dash and NuBits have already upgraded their page.
Also don't forget to follow BitShares on https://cyber.fund/system/BitShares.
Thank you for your attention, I will be happy if you will use our service.
Konstantin Lomashuk (https://cyber.fund/@Lomashuk)
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Update: November 22, 2015
cyber • Fund Public Placement
We are happy to inform you that cyber • Fund (https://cyber.fund/) starts Public Placement (https://cyber.fund/invest)!
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by Cointelegraph: Cyber•Fund Begins Funding Round To Make A Revolution In The Management Of Crypto-Investment (http://cointelegraph.com/news/115715/cyberfund-begins-funding-round-to-make-a-revolution-in-the-management-of-crypto-investment)
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Raised 5 bitcoin so far! Thanks :-)