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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: r0ach on September 04, 2015, 02:35:21 pm
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Ever since I read about Protoshares, I've always felt like Bitshares is run by the dumbest smart people in the room. As other people on the forum have said, Daniel Gordon Clark Larimer is good at R&D, but then all the other decisions are like, "please, no more cocaine, Gordon Larimer", as shares are diluted/merged, or other strange ideas. I remember reading about stuff like "Keyhotee" back in the day. I'm just sitting there like, huh, Keyhotee, what the hell is that, it sounds like Peyote, are you supposed to get high while using this program?
Having said that, through either sheer accident, or infinite monkeys with typewriters phenomenon, he's finally created something good, he just doesn't know exactly why it's good or what to do with it. First of all, Bitshares is a platform based around a blockchain, but too many people are caught up in the idea of trying to do everything on-chain. Integrating off-chain features can be what gives the on-chain features their actual value, explained below.
Since this is a multi-purpose platform, the things that you want people to use it for don't necessarily need to be the only reason someone would download it. For instance, lots of free to play video games only have a small percent of users making actual purchases, but it's still enough to make money. What I would do is the following course of action:
1) First, add a simple to use, peer to peer, off-chain, encrypted messenger that doesn't utilize 3rd party servers to Bitshares, with a non-bloated interface, something resembling Aim Lite. Possibly add an on-chain option to send offline messages for a fee as well:
(http://www.2-software.net/site_images/software_screenshots/aim_lite.gif)
2) Next, expand on this messenger functionality by allowing users to set file permissions, using both global variables for any contact, and also allowing to set more fine control per individual, giving directory access to each other. This would basically be a way more cut down and less bloated version of the program DC++, which is open source file sharing software, so might be able to have some donor code for this use.
3) Since you now have a monetary system, a dollar peg, and a file sharing system with granular control over users and permissions, you now have the backbone for users to open their own stores like GOG.com and Steam, or just individual game studios or software developers themselves operating them. Bitshares would just be the front end, while a business would have to integrate their back end into it. You of course have all the technical difficulties of monolithic vs compartmentalized approach, but I'm sure it could be sorted out somehow. The messenger friend list is just a database entry on their back end, for all intents and purposes, so a game company could just auto accept new user invites, auto share demo folders with them, then have a trigger to increase folder permissions when a purchase is made to be able to forever download the game. This could be done as easily as browsing a folder directory, then when you click it, it comes up with a message saying it requires 20 BitUSD for access to this folder, or proprietary store interface menus could be launched within the program or built in browser as well.
The free services, such as messaging and file sharing, would attract one spectrum of users, while the business infrastructure, also built on the same backbone as the free services for people opening their own stores, would attract many other types of users. An increase in users means more likelihood of people using things like BitUSD, decentralized exchanges, or just the monetary system in general, which increases the price of each share. This also has the side effect of drastically increasing network security since, for instance, a game developer who sells something on the platform would probably run as a delegate as well, then you end up with the non-anonymous, NGO DPoS model indirectly that people such as Tim Swanson talk about.
This is the main strength of the Bitshares platform I see at the moment, it just requires integration of some peer to peer off-chain services. Bitshares 2.0 should be a much more powerful platform than anything else out, with the possible exception of Emunie (but I'm not convinced Emunie will work at all), so it's not hard to imagine each Bitshare being worth a dollar each within a year or two if a plan like this can be developed and reach success.
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Do it roach! Be the one to create the multi purpose bitshares GUI that brings in the users! Get rich off referral fees while making us all rich in the process! :)
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Do it roach! Be the one to create the multi purpose bitshares GUI that brings in the users! Get rich off referral fees while making us all rich in the process! :)
Hmmm...I could dig that. :D
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Integrate with Jabber or Pidgin. Jabber is probably easier but Pidgin is very popular so a Bitshares Pidgin Plugin could really catch fire.
It would be interesting if people could trade BitAssets over IM through bots.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-C-C++-XMPP-client-library-for-desktop
https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Scripting%20and%20Plugins
https://xmpp.org/xmpp-software/libraries/
https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/xmpp/
If Graphene has a good API then it shouldn't be difficult. Bots would log into the IM network, humans could then email, IM, send SMS, or Skype to them.
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Seemed like a good place to offer my service : https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18144.msg231897.html#msg231897 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18144.msg231897.html#msg231897)
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Do it roach! Be the one to create the multi purpose bitshares GUI that brings in the users! Get rich off referral fees while making us all rich in the process! :)
Awesome! +5% +5% +5% ;D
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I'm not a fan of the referral system. The words "referral system" only bring up images in people's head of some guy in 3rd world Asia trying to get you to click on a sketchy link to earn five cents, which he can do two billion more times until he has enough money to buy an iPhone. This probably falls under my reference to cocaine induced features/changes in the original post.
Whoever creates something probably won't even benefit from the referral system. It will be some guy with an army of zombie bots that spams people....
This will either put you in the viewpont camp of "There's no such thing as bad publicity!", or "Bitshares will now be known as the new, annoying AOL CD, forcibly given to anyone walking down the street, inducing extreme rage at it's sight".
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When i think of the referral system, I dont think of AOL CDs, I think of the various people out there with marketing skills promoting BTS, to a level much greater than we have ever had before.
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When i think of the referral system, I dont think of AOL CDs, I think of the various people out there with marketing skills promoting BTS, to a level much greater than we have ever had before.
without inflation.
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When i think of the referral system, I dont think of AOL CDs, I think of the various people out there with marketing skills promoting BTS, to a level much greater than we have ever had before.
without inflation.
Every referral is DEFLATIONARY! Because a portion of the purchase fee of the membership is burned. :)
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Pending Larimer doesn't do anything crazy within the short term future, Bitshares DPoS is currently the winner of my long crypto analysis:
The state of crypto - The only serious thread on the subforum
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171109.0
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Roach, I like your BCT thread! :)
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Yup he nailed it.
Skype + PayPal + blockchain + etc
Convergence.
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Roach, I like your BCT thread! :)
Yep. I have not seen an objective detailed analysis as this one. +5%
Thanks for sharing.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171109.0
tl;dr : Bitcoin sucks. Most other crypto's suck too. BitShares shows promise. Maybe another, but it's vaporware.
Summary: Buy BitShares before it's too late.
;)
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The messaging and filesharing system should absolutely be done off chain, but using chain registered account names for lookups. Something like this, but with BitShares account keys instead of PGP:
http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/
This uses distributed hash tables for IP lookups from a public key, so no central server is necessary, but it isn't healthy for battery life on mobile devices to maintain a full DHT node. Because of this, I recommend a mobile client that establishes a single direct connection by DHT to a full node that acts as a proxy for all other connections.
The referral system is actually reasonable, I think. It's much less spammy since there's no reward unless those referred actually end up using the service and paying fees.
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I'm not a fan of the referral system. The words "referral system" only bring up images in people's head of some guy in 3rd world Asia trying to get you to click on a sketchy link to earn five cents, which he can do two billion more times until he has enough money to buy an iPhone. This probably falls under my reference to cocaine induced features/changes in the original post.
Whoever creates something probably won't even benefit from the referral system. It will be some guy with an army of zombie bots that spams people....
This will either put you in the viewpont camp of "There's no such thing as bad publicity!", or "Bitshares will now be known as the new, annoying AOL CD, forcibly given to anyone walking down the street, inducing extreme rage at it's sight".
I agree and in reading your stuff I think your a zombie (not the coin) fan. So +5%.