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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: fuzzy on October 17, 2015, 05:21:48 pm
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Bytemaster needs us to slay the monster of getting him a way to quickly and privately communicate with the community's init witnesses.
The first witness platform to get all active witnesses into it and proves so in this thread will receive 400 brownies. If this task is completed within 24 hours from the time of this posting and Bytemaster and myself are notified via pm, you will be awarded 50% more brownies (for a total of 600).
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Bumping this thread will get your name entered into a list to potentially win 100brownies.
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bump lol
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I posted about this here earlier: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19040.msg246487.html#msg246487
BM should get on Telegram. Is it not a viable solution? If not why not? It's encrypted, it's multi-platform, I think it's even open source.
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I posted about this here earlier: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19040.msg246487.html#msg246487
BM should get on Telegram. Is it not a viable solution? If not why not? It's encrypted, it's multi-platform, I think it's even open source.
Telegram is fine. But the question is...does it have all the witnesses in it and if has it provided us with a screenshot or some other form of proof? If not...it is not the winner.
Sorry Chaps! Quests only pay out when they are completed and not a minute before! :)
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bumping for brownies. Why doesn't a witness or BM just create a private slack group and invite the witnesses. It would take 10 minutes to do tops.
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bumping for brownies. Why doesn't a witness or BM just create a private slack group and invite the witnesses. It would take 10 minutes to do tops.
It takes a lot longer to get them together than 10 minutes BM needs it done ASAP. But BM is busy so he cannot be in charge of managing it. So this one time quest is being offered.
However, if you can do it in 10 minutes and show you have accomplished it...you win! Prove this guy wrong! :)
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Slack is not as effective for mobile devices, being a full featured desktop app, whereas Telegram is. Plus, there are already 10 witnesses using it, it's just a matter of getting the others on board.
Based on the range of missed block counts I see it's apparent there are different levels of dedication and responsiveness in the witness pool. I think you can see a unanimous consensus is not likely to happen for one particular platform if that is any indication. So the goal of ALL witnesses may not be achievable, and if it is will take time. Hopefully the other witnesses who are NOT on Telegram will see this and get on it, or at least post here with alternatives.
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Slack is not as effective for mobile devices, being a full featured desktop app, whereas Telegram is. Plus, there are already 10 witnesses using it, it's just a matter of getting the others on board.
Based on the range of missed block counts I see it's apparent there are different levels of dedication and responsiveness in the witness pool. I think you can see a unanimous consensus is not likely to happen for one particular platform if that is any indication. So the goal of ALL witnesses may not be achievable, and if it is will take time. Hopefully the other witnesses who are NOT on Telegram will see this and get on it, or at least post here with alternatives.
Well whoever ORGANIZES them getting on has the chance of winning 400-600 brownies, which would require 4-6 hours of work to receive otherwise. BM is willing to pay someone to do this, so rather than us expecting it to happen on its own, someone has an incentive to organize them and get them on!
Hell I would, but that would be a conflict of interest wouldn't it? :P
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bumping for brownies. Why doesn't a witness or BM just create a private slack group and invite the witnesses. It would take 10 minutes to do tops.
A private slack group is created - https://bitshareswitnesses.slack.com but most witnesses prefer to stay on Telegram because they have been using it and they like it.
The same group of telegram-channel witnesses have also joined the slack group but not actively communicating in it. They are treating it as a secondary/backup channel ie to be used when telegram fails.
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bumping for brownies. Why doesn't a witness or BM just create a private slack group and invite the witnesses. It would take 10 minutes to do tops.
A private slack group is created - https://bitshareswitnesses.slack.com but most witnesses prefer to stay on Telegram because they have been using it and they like it.
The same group of telegram-channel witnesses have also joined the slack group but not actively communicating in it. They are treating it as a secondary/backup channel ie to be used when telegram fails.
Are all the witnesses there?
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bumping for brownies. Why doesn't a witness or BM just create a private slack group and invite the witnesses. It would take 10 minutes to do tops.
A private slack group is created - https://bitshareswitnesses.slack.com but most witnesses prefer to stay on Telegram because they have been using it and they like it.
The same group of telegram-channel witnesses have also joined the slack group but not actively communicating in it. They are treating it as a secondary/backup channel ie to be used when telegram fails.
Are all the witnesses there?
I just counted 13 active witnesses in telegram and 12 active witnesses in slack. If you like, I can help contact the rest of them to join in.
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bumping for brownies. Why doesn't a witness or BM just create a private slack group and invite the witnesses. It would take 10 minutes to do tops.
A private slack group is created - https://bitshareswitnesses.slack.com but most witnesses prefer to stay on Telegram because they have been using it and they like it.
The same group of telegram-channel witnesses have also joined the slack group but not actively communicating in it. They are treating it as a secondary/backup channel ie to be used when telegram fails.
Are all the witnesses there?
Not unless someone added me without my knowledge.
I haven't even participated in a slack communications yet. Just one more app to lean in a sea of others. Plus it lacks the instant notification on mobile devices that Telegram has. If I'm wrong about that how would I set it up on my phone?
Also, can it be integrated easily into a witness node like has been already done for Telegram? Notification of missed blocks is an essential feature.
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bumping for brownies. Why doesn't a witness or BM just create a private slack group and invite the witnesses. It would take 10 minutes to do tops.
A private slack group is created - https://bitshareswitnesses.slack.com but most witnesses prefer to stay on Telegram because they have been using it and they like it.
The same group of telegram-channel witnesses have also joined the slack group but not actively communicating in it. They are treating it as a secondary/backup channel ie to be used when telegram fails.
Are all the witnesses there?
I just counted 13 active witnesses in telegram and 12 active witnesses in slack. If you like, I can help contact the rest of them to join in.
Not to sound like an a-hole (though Quest givers sometimes do for the fun of it!), but my response would be:
Bytemaster needs us to slay the monster of getting him a way to quickly and privately communicate with the community's init witnesses.
The first witness platform to get all active witnesses into it and proves so in this thread will receive 400 brownies. If this task is completed within 24 hours from the time of this posting and Bytemaster and myself are notified via pm, you will be awarded 50% more brownies (for a total of 600).
Now whether you decide to get people working together to help you and share the Quest Reward with them or not is up to you. What I want is to see someone who wins it :)
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Can we agree on a first step? Let's collect all witness' forum handles. From there we can, at the very least, notify them of this thread..
I'll start:
<forum name>: <witness name>
roadscape: roadscape
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Can we agree on a first step? Let's collect all witness' forum handles. From there we can, at the very least, notify them of this thread..
sounds like you have already taken the first step. :)
You are closer than almost everyone else at winning this...simply by posting the first step yourself :P
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First draft
id - witness - btstalk
INACTIVE
1.6.41 - b33lz38v8 - ?
1.6.39 - betaxtrade - ?
1.6.33 - bts-bitshares-argentina - ?
1.6.44 - checkraiser - ?
1.6.37 - delegate.baozi - ?
1.6.47 - delegate.kencode - ?
1.6.38 - delegate.taolje - ?
1.6.46 - dragonball - ?
1.6.36 - emski - ?
1.6.2 - init1 - ?
1.6.7 - init6 - ?
1.6.10 - init9 - ?
1.6.48 - liondani - ?
1.6.31 - riverhead - ?
1.6.50 - tao - ?
ACTIVE
1.6.17 - bhuz - ?
1.6.12 - bitcube - ?
1.6.25 - bue - ?
1.6.21 - cyrano - ?
1.6.49 - datasecuritynode - ?
1.6.14 - dele-puppy - ?
1.6.28 - delegate-1.lafona - ?
1.6.27 - delegate-clayop - ?
1.6.40 - delegate.btsnow - ?
1.6.26 - delegate.ihashfury - ?
1.6.42 - delegated-proof-of-steak - ?
1.6.20 - elmato - ?
1.6.16 - fox - Fox
1.6.23 - harvey-xts - ?
1.6.32 - holytransaction - ?
1.6.35 - in.abit - ?
1.6.1 - init0 - ?
1.6.11 - init10 - ?
1.6.3 - init2 - ?
1.6.4 - init3 - ?
1.6.5 - init4 - ?
1.6.6 - init5 - ?
1.6.8 - init7 - ?
1.6.9 - init8 - ?
1.6.43 - maqifrnswa - ?
1.6.19 - mindphlux.witness - ?
1.6.24 - mr.agsexplorer - ?
1.6.45 - rnglab - ?
1.6.13 - roadscape - roadscape
1.6.15 - spartako - ?
1.6.30 - spectral - ?
1.6.29 - triox-delegate - ?
1.6.34 - verbaltech2 - ?
1.6.18 - wackou - ?
1.6.22 - xeldal - ?
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Not to sound like an a-hole (though Quest givers sometimes do for the fun of it!), but my response would be:
Bytemaster needs us to slay the monster of getting him a way to quickly and privately communicate with the community's init witnesses.
The first witness platform to get all active witnesses into it and proves so in this thread will receive 400 brownies. If this task is completed within 24 hours from the time of this posting and Bytemaster and myself are notified via pm, you will be awarded 50% more brownies (for a total of 600).
Now whether you decide to get people working together to help you and share the Quest Reward with them or not is up to you. What I want is to see someone who wins it :)
I would welcome the Quest Reward although I have started inviting witnesses to join the channel not because of any reward but a wish to help the bitshares community.
An update on the list: 13 active witnesses in each of the telegram and slack group. I just invited roadscape and waiting for his response. More to come.
<forum name>: <witness name>
cube: bitcube
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edit: replied to your pm.
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Not to sound like an a-hole (though Quest givers sometimes do for the fun of it!), but my response would be:
Bytemaster needs us to slay the monster of getting him a way to quickly and privately communicate with the community's init witnesses.
The first witness platform to get all active witnesses into it and proves so in this thread will receive 400 brownies. If this task is completed within 24 hours from the time of this posting and Bytemaster and myself are notified via pm, you will be awarded 50% more brownies (for a total of 600).
Now whether you decide to get people working together to help you and share the Quest Reward with them or not is up to you. What I want is to see someone who wins it :)
I would welcome the Quest Reward although I have started inviting witnesses to join the channel not because of any reward but a wish to help the bitshares community.
An update on the list: 13 active witnesses in each of the telegram and slack group. I just invited roadscape and waiting for his response. More to come.
<forum name>: <witness name>
cube: bitcube
That is certainly appreciated, but brownies (dkp) are best given to people with precisely those motives. Trust me, I know what it is like to think that way, but the people who dont do it for the payment are the ones who are most valuable to give it to :). They will also most likely hodl these tokens for longer periods AND use the wealth they gain to create more value within the ecosystem (as opposed to any of the infinite other options there are to earn assets.
We just need the end result and so it is worth it to give hugs to those who help us get there.
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edit: replied to your pm.
invite sent. Hope to see you in telegram & slack soon.
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latest forum list draft.. I support all other efforts but I do think this is really useful list to keep updated:
ACTIVE
1.6.17 - bhuz - Bhuz
1.6.12 - bitcube - cube
1.6.25 - bue - twitter
1.6.21 - cyrano - pc
1.6.49 - datasecuritynode - DataSecurityNode
1.6.14 - dele-puppy - puppies
1.6.28 - delegate-1.lafona - lafona
1.6.27 - delegate-clayop - clayop
1.6.40 - delegate.btsnow - dannotestein(?)
1.6.26 - delegate.ihashfury - iHashFury
1.6.42 - delegated-proof-of-steak - ?
1.6.20 - elmato - ElMato
1.6.16 - fox - Fox
1.6.23 - harvey-xts - Harvey
1.6.32 - holytransaction - darbon
1.6.35 - in.abit - abit
1.6.43 - maqifrnswa - maqifrnswa
1.6.19 - mindphlux.witness - mindphlux
1.6.24 - mr.agsexplorer - boombastic
1.6.45 - rnglab - rnglab
1.6.13 - roadscape - roadscape
1.6.15 - spartako - spartako
1.6.30 - spectral - Spectral
1.6.29 - triox-delegate - triox
1.6.34 - verbaltech2 - Thom
1.6.18 - wackou - wackou
1.6.22 - xeldal - Xeldal
edit: updated list.
init* delegates are omitted. only one unnamed witness remains.
i made one assumption: delegate.btsnow belongs to dannotestein.
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latest forum list draft.. I support all other efforts but I do think this is really useful list to keep updated:
ACTIVE
1.6.17 - bhuz - Bhuz
1.6.12 - bitcube - cube
1.6.25 - bue - twitter
1.6.21 - cyrano - pc
1.6.49 - datasecuritynode - DataSecurityNode
1.6.14 - dele-puppy - puppies
1.6.28 - delegate-1.lafona - lafona
1.6.27 - delegate-clayop - clayop
1.6.40 - delegate.btsnow - dannotestein(?)
1.6.26 - delegate.ihashfury - iHashFury
1.6.42 - delegated-proof-of-steak - ?
1.6.20 - elmato - ElMato
1.6.16 - fox - Fox
1.6.23 - harvey-xts - Harvey
1.6.32 - holytransaction - darbon
1.6.35 - in.abit - abit
1.6.43 - maqifrnswa - maqifrnswa
1.6.19 - mindphlux.witness - mindphlux
1.6.24 - mr.agsexplorer - boombastic
1.6.45 - rnglab - rnglab
1.6.13 - roadscape - roadscape
1.6.15 - spartako - spartako
1.6.30 - spectral - Spectral
1.6.29 - triox-delegate - triox
1.6.34 - verbaltech2 - Thom
1.6.18 - wackou - wackou
1.6.22 - xeldal - Xeldal
edit: updated list.
init* delegates are omitted. only one unnamed witness remains.
i made one assumption: delegate.btsnow belongs to dannotestein.
ping @Bhuz @cube @twitter @pc @DataSecurityNode @puppies @lafona @clayop @dannotestein @iHashFury @ElMato @Fox @Harvey @darbon @abit @maqifrnswa @mindphlux @boombastic @rnglab @roadscape @spartako @Spectral @triox @Thom
@wackou @Xedal
Another Telegran group then?
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Sent out a PM to all identified witnesses to join in this thread: Bhuz, cube, twitter, pc, DataSecurityNode, puppies, lafona, clayop, dannotestein, iHashFury, ElMato, Fox, Harvey, darbon, abit, maqifrnswa, mindphlux, boombastic, rnglab, roadscape, spartako, Spectral, triox, Thom, wackou, Xeldal
(excluded was delegated-proof-of-steak.. whom I suspect is a dev anyway)
Our current options are:
1. Use the forum/PM system to communicate
2. Use Telegram (https://web.telegram.org/#/im?p=g35824315)
3. Use Slack (https://bitshareswitnesses.slack.com/messages/general/)
I like the idea of using forum PMs because I don't need to install any more 3rd party apps and I automatically get an email.. which is simple and useful when on mobile. (Plus, essentially all witnesses are on this platform already)
However, when I went to send out the PM I found there was a limit of 20 recipients.. which means I had to send it out in 2 groups.. kinda annoying. Maybe this is configurable?
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Sent out a PM to all identified witnesses to join in this thread: Bhuz, cube, twitter, pc, DataSecurityNode, puppies, lafona, clayop, dannotestein, iHashFury, ElMato, Fox, Harvey, darbon, abit, maqifrnswa, mindphlux, boombastic, rnglab, roadscape, spartako, Spectral, triox, Thom, wackou, Xeldal
(excluded was delegated-proof-of-steak.. whom I suspect is a dev anyway)
Our current options are:
1. Use the forum/PM system to communicate
2. Use Telegram (https://web.telegram.org/#/im?p=g35824315)
3. Use Slack (https://bitshareswitnesses.slack.com/messages/general/)
I like the idea of using forum PMs because I don't need to install any more 3rd party apps and I automatically get an email.. which is simple and useful when on mobile. (Plus, essentially all witnesses are on this platform already)
However, when I went to send out the PM I found there was a limit of 20 recipients.. which means I had to send it out in 2 groups.. kinda annoying. Maybe this is configurable?
This is why I don't see a unanimous platform. Roadscape is opposed to installing additional apps, I am opposed to too many apps to keep track of.
There are 3 goals here:
- Bytemaster through Fuzzy wants ALL witnesses on some platform
- Witnesses need a way to communicate with each other and receive info from BM
- Witnesses need to be notified of important events, like missing blocks
Slack may be a better platform than this forum, but it fails to satisfy #3. That is why I haven't responded to the invite cube sent. No disrespect to anyone.
I see this effort driven by bytemaster / fuzzy more than by mutual concerns. I see no discussion on the merits of any given platform, and IMO that is by far the most important consideration. Whatever works best for witnesses, that should be the chosen platform. Bytemaster should be willing to accept that.
Same with everyone. Whatever platform is best for the majority of witnesses, that should be the one used. If it turns out to be slack I won't like it but I will conform out of necessity. Same should be true of Roadscape or anyone else if most prefer Telegram.
I am not very motivated by BROWNIE.PTS, but I am motivated to solve problems through clear communication. There is more than one "problem" to solve here, and it is possible to do it with one tool. Multiple tools just impose more burden to manage and stay current on.
I did do a bit of research into slack, and it does appear it supports SMS. It may be only in one direction tho. Those more familiar with slack may be able to enlighten the rest of us.
I think the chosen solution shouldbe mobile device friendly, with instant notification considered an essential feature.
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He needs this done quickly for obvious reasons...but this does not need to be the ONLY platform. Only the one where bm knows he will reach ALL witnesses with anything he needs them to know.
This is important to be done quickly. The group can always be migrated to another platform at a later date or have their own platforms. ;)
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Our current options are:
1. Use the forum/PM system to communicate
2. Use Telegram (https://web.telegram.org/#/im?p=g35824315)
3. Use Slack (https://bitshareswitnesses.slack.com/messages/general/)
I like the idea of using forum PMs because I don't need to install any more 3rd party apps and I automatically get an email.. which is simple and useful when on mobile. (Plus, essentially all witnesses are on this platform already)
However, when I went to send out the PM I found there was a limit of 20 recipients.. which means I had to send it out in 2 groups.. kinda annoying. Maybe this is configurable?
I would have a problem with email because my mobile email is set for day-job office use. I like telegram for its ease of use but I am attracted to slack for its git-integration (which helps us notified of witness_node mandatory upgrades) and ease of creating a bot (according to spartako, the created of the spartako-bot).
There are 3 goals here:
- Bytemaster through Fuzzy wants ALL witnesses on some platform
- Witnesses need a way to communicate with each other and receive info from BM
- Witnesses need to be notified of important events, like missing blocks
Slack may be a better platform than this forum, but it fails to satisfy #3. That is why I haven't responded to the invite cube sent. No disrespect to anyone.
Spartako told me he is porting over his bot to slack. Missing blocks notification would not be an issue when it is available.
ps: Thom, please accept my email invite.
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He needs this done quickly for obvious reasons...but this does not need to be the ONLY platform. Only the one where bm knows he will reach ALL witnesses with anything he needs them to know.
This is important to be done quickly. The group can always be migrated to another platform at a later date or have their own platforms. ;)
Good luck with that on a weekend.
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He needs this done quickly for obvious reasons...but this does not need to be the ONLY platform. Only the one where bm knows he will reach ALL witnesses with anything he needs them to know.
This is important to be done quickly. The group can always be migrated to another platform at a later date or have their own platforms. ;)
Good luck with that on a weekend.
Well since launch its kind of needed to be done. Fav and others like cube and liondani have done a good job on this, but they still need to get the full group onboard.
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I personally prefer slack, but telegram is fine too, and I think ultimately may be the best solution. The only issue I have with the current telegram group is that there's too much noise on it (~3000 messages in a few days) and I can't keep up with it and don't really read it anymore, which kind of defeat the purpose.
Should we have a dedicated telegram group, with only important notifications and security issues, then this would probably work wonders.
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cube: is it possible to use tapatalk to get PM notifications on mobile, if you can't use email?
I think we may need two channels:
1) Telegram - for general witness communication, especially during weekends like these where there is a lot of back-and-forth chatter. (cube has done a great job of getting everyone in here and it is fit for this purpose)
2) Forum PM - emergency announcements. this notifies everyone of issues right away and tells them to get into telegram chat ASAP (or whatever next actions need to be taken).
edit for clarification
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bumping for baby brownies
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cube: is it possible to use tapatalk to get PM notifications on mobile, if you can't use email?
I think we may need two channels:
1) Telegram - for general witness communication, especially during weekends like these where there is a lot of back-and-forth chatter
2) Forum PM - emergency announcements. this notifies everyone of issues right away and tells them to get into telegram chat ASAP
I have tapatalk on my mobile but it is running very slowly (probably heavy) and not really usable. I like telegram for it lightness and slack for its integrated features.
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1.6.25 - bue - twitter.
i prefer telegram
latest forum list draft.. I support all other efforts but I do think this is really useful list to keep updated:
ACTIVE
1.6.17 - bhuz - Bhuz
1.6.12 - bitcube - cube
1.6.25 - bue - twitter
1.6.21 - cyrano - pc
1.6.49 - datasecuritynode - DataSecurityNode
1.6.14 - dele-puppy - puppies
1.6.28 - delegate-1.lafona - lafona
1.6.27 - delegate-clayop - clayop
1.6.40 - delegate.btsnow - dannotestein(?)
1.6.26 - delegate.ihashfury - iHashFury
1.6.42 - delegated-proof-of-steak - ?
1.6.20 - elmato - ElMato
1.6.16 - fox - Fox
1.6.23 - harvey-xts - Harvey
1.6.32 - holytransaction - darbon
1.6.35 - in.abit - abit
1.6.43 - maqifrnswa - maqifrnswa
1.6.19 - mindphlux.witness - mindphlux
1.6.24 - mr.agsexplorer - boombastic
1.6.45 - rnglab - rnglab
1.6.13 - roadscape - roadscape
1.6.15 - spartako - spartako
1.6.30 - spectral - Spectral
1.6.29 - triox-delegate - triox
1.6.34 - verbaltech2 - Thom
1.6.18 - wackou - wackou
1.6.22 - xeldal - Xeldal
edit: updated list.
init* delegates are omitted. only one unnamed witness remains.
i made one assumption: delegate.btsnow belongs to dannotestein.
ping @Bhuz @cube @twitter @pc @DataSecurityNode @puppies @lafona @clayop @dannotestein @iHashFury @ElMato @Fox @Harvey @darbon @abit @maqifrnswa @mindphlux @boombastic @rnglab @roadscape @spartako @Spectral @triox @Thom
@wackou @Xedal
Another Telegran group then?
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cube: is it possible to use tapatalk to get PM notifications on mobile, if you can't use email?
I think we may need two channels:
1) Telegram - for general witness communication, especially during weekends like these where there is a lot of back-and-forth chatter
2) Forum PM - emergency announcements. this notifies everyone of issues right away and tells them to get into telegram chat ASAP
I have tapatalk on my mobile but it is running very slowly (probably heavy) and not really usable. I like telegram for it lightness and slack for its integrated features.
Is it possible to have two Telegram rooms, one Witness Announcement and one Witness Chat, and have email notifications for only one?
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I personally prefer slack, but telegram is fine too, and I think ultimately may be the best solution. The only issue I have with the current telegram group is that there's too much noise on it (~3000 messages in a few days) and I can't keep up with it and don't really read it anymore, which kind of defeat the purpose.
Should we have a dedicated telegram group, with only important notifications and security issues, then this would probably work wonders.
I am currently only using Telegram for the spartako_bot notifications, but I was planning on adding this list: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19195.msg246669.html#msg246669 until wackou said it is so full of traffic. I will add those to my list of contacts in Telegram, which currently only has spartako_bot in it.
I think a dedicated group for BM alerts is perfect.
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Is it possible to have two Telegram rooms, one Witness Announcement and one Witness Chat, and have email notifications for only one?
There are currently two 'rooms' - general users and witness channels.
I am not sure about email notification though.
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The answer is simple... use Telegram.. and if a witness is not in telegram he gets voted out.
Most of them are there.. it is thin, cross platform, mobile, P2P, and more secure than slack.
It has notifications built in.. and we already have Sparko who developed a monitoring app that plugs into it.. so we can all keep an eye on each others operations.
We have a telegram room for Witnesses only already too.
I am still voted out so I guess my suggestion is moot. :)
Nonetheless.. this to me is the most efficient course of action... if you make joining telegram a part of being voted in then you will be left with only witnesses that are in there.. which to me seems about right.
I hope this has been helpful in some way.... votes can be removed for everyone who is not there now.. just like with the sudden fork those that couldn't respond within the hour lost their votes and were no longer witnesses.. likewise if witnesses are active they will know this is coming and get in telegram NOW.
My 2 BTS.
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The answer is simple... use Telegram.. and if a witness is not in telegram he gets voted out.
Most of them are there.. it is thin, cross platform, mobile, P2P, and more secure than slack.
It has notifications built in.. and we already have Sparko who developed a monitoring app that plugs into it.. so we can all keep an eye on each others operations.
We have a telegram room for Witnesses only already too.
I am still voted out so I guess my suggestion is moot. :)
Nonetheless.. this to me is the most efficient course of action... if you make joining telegram a part of being voted in then you will be left with only witnesses that are in there.. which to me seems about right.
I hope this has been helpful in some way.... votes can be removed for everyone who is not there now.. just like with the sudden fork those that couldn't respond within the hour lost their votes and were no longer witnesses.. likewise if witnesses are active they will know this is coming and get in telegram NOW.
Much 2 BTS.
But it will also force them to use only one platform into the future. Maybe you can approach the rest and get them into telegram and win the brownies? Or use the brownie reward to get them onboard by paying them to join? Better to reward than punish :)
I do like telegram whats going on in telegram though. :)
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I personally prefer slack, but telegram is fine too, and I think ultimately may be the best solution. The only issue I have with the current telegram group is that there's too much noise on it (~3000 messages in a few days) and I can't keep up with it and don't really read it anymore, which kind of defeat the purpose.
Should we have a dedicated telegram group, with only important notifications and security issues, then this would probably work wonders.
I am currently only using Telegram for the spartako_bot notifications, but I was planning on adding this list: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19195.msg246669.html#msg246669 until wackou said it is so full of traffic. I will add those to my list of contacts in Telegram, which currently only has spartako_bot in it.
I think a dedicated group for BM alerts is perfect.
Telegram has two channels - general users and witnesses-only. Witness channel has only traffic from witnesses' discussion.
Witness slack group is purely for witness communication. Spartako bot will be ported over to slack too and so you would be getting missed blocks notification from there as well.
We can have telegram channel for main witness communication and slack as a backup channel. We need a backup plan.
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The answer is simple... use Telegram.. and if a witness is not in telegram he gets voted out.
Most of them are there.. it is thin, cross platform, mobile, P2P, and more secure than slack.
It has notifications built in.. and we already have Sparko who developed a monitoring app that plugs into it.. so we can all keep an eye on each others operations.
We have a telegram room for Witnesses only already too.
I am still voted out so I guess my suggestion is moot. :)
Nonetheless.. this to me is the most efficient course of action... if you make joining telegram a part of being voted in then you will be left with only witnesses that are in there.. which to me seems about right.
I hope this has been helpful in some way.... votes can be removed for everyone who is not there now.. just like with the sudden fork those that couldn't respond within the hour lost their votes and were no longer witnesses.. likewise if witnesses are active they will know this is coming and get in telegram NOW.
Much 2 BTS.
If a witness gets voted out, do they need to be removed from the group? If anyone can join, how do we control spam? We need a channel for nothing but announcements... that channel could be PM, Slack, or Telegram.. just as long as I know that if I get paged, it's important.
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Latest update on telegram and slack group channels: 18 active members
For those concerned with 'chatty noise', we can have a strictly 'official announcement' channel on both telegram and slack.
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cube, who is missing from Telegram chat? I'm not sure who some people are.. their names do not indicate their witness.
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cube, who is missing from Telegram chat? I'm not sure who some people are.. their names do not indicate their witness.
Telegram witness group: roadscape, data security node, clayop, rnglab, spartako, holytran, puppy, mragsexplorer, abit, bhuz, xeldal, mindphux, elmato, spectral, lafona, harvey, cube
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The answer is simple... use Telegram.. and if a witness is not in telegram he gets voted out.
Most of them are there.. it is thin, cross platform, mobile, P2P, and more secure than slack.
It has notifications built in.. and we already have Sparko who developed a monitoring app that plugs into it.. so we can all keep an eye on each others operations.
We have a telegram room for Witnesses only already too.
I am still voted out so I guess my suggestion is moot. :)
Nonetheless.. this to me is the most efficient course of action... if you make joining telegram a part of being voted in then you will be left with only witnesses that are in there.. which to me seems about right.
I hope this has been helpful in some way.... votes can be removed for everyone who is not there now.. just like with the sudden fork those that couldn't respond within the hour lost their votes and were no longer witnesses.. likewise if witnesses are active they will know this is coming and get in telegram NOW.
Much 2 BTS.
If a witness gets voted out, do they need to be removed from the group? If anyone can join, how do we control spam? We need a channel for nothing but announcements... that channel could be PM, Slack, or Telegram.. just as long as I know that if I get paged, it's important.
Rss notifications would be epic.
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Rss notifications would be epic.
Slack can have RSS integration - http://gozman.github.io/slack-rss/
RSS is within reach. :)
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cube, who is missing from Telegram chat? I'm not sure who some people are.. their names do not indicate their witness.
Telegram witness group: roadscape, data security node, clayop, rnglab, spartako, holytran, puppy, mragsexplorer, abit, bhuz, xeldal, mindphux, elmato, spectral, lafona, harvey, cube
That means the only members missing are: twitter, pc, dannotestein, iHashFury, Fox, maqifrnswa, triox, Thom, wackou, and the owner of "delegated-proof-of-steak". Is this correct? How shall we reach them?
Fuzzy.. how 'private' does it need to be?
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The answer is simple... use Telegram.. and if a witness is not in telegram he gets voted out.
Most of them are there.. it is thin, cross platform, mobile, P2P, and more secure than slack.
It has notifications built in.. and we already have Sparko who developed a monitoring app that plugs into it.. so we can all keep an eye on each others operations.
We have a telegram room for Witnesses only already too.
I am still voted out so I guess my suggestion is moot. :)
Nonetheless.. this to me is the most efficient course of action... if you make joining telegram a part of being voted in then you will be left with only witnesses that are in there.. which to me seems about right.
I hope this has been helpful in some way.... votes can be removed for everyone who is not there now.. just like with the sudden fork those that couldn't respond within the hour lost their votes and were no longer witnesses.. likewise if witnesses are active they will know this is coming and get in telegram NOW.
Much 2 BTS.
But it will also force them to use only one platform into the future. Maybe you can approach the rest and get them into telegram and win the brownies? Or use the brownie reward to get them onboard by paying them to join? Better to reward than punish :)
I do like telegram whats going on in telegram though. :)
telegram is growing like crazy as a secure P2P messenger.. the only thing that is centralized is their auth and that is closed unfortunately. Rest is open and ad free.. you can make modified versions too.
We will move to a blockchain based telegram once its ready.. for at least the next several months I think its going to be effective as an instant notification method for witnesses to work together.
RSS is too slow in comparison.. very few readers are instant... except slack.
I think Thoms suggestion to work in telegram with slack as backup is decent for now too.
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cube, who is missing from Telegram chat? I'm not sure who some people are.. their names do not indicate their witness.
Telegram witness group: roadscape, data security node, clayop, rnglab, spartako, holytran, puppy, mragsexplorer, abit, bhuz, xeldal, mindphux, elmato, spectral, lafona, harvey, cube
That means the only members missing are: twitter, pc, dannotestein, iHashFury, Fox, maqifrnswa, triox, Thom, wackou, and the owner of "delegated-proof-of-steak". Is this correct? How shall we reach them?
Fuzzy.. how 'private' does it need to be?
Don't know how you're coming up with your list, but I and wackou are both receiving notifications. I haven't yet entered the @ list of other witnesses into my Telegram contacts. I'll take care of that now. What groups should I subscribe to?
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Don't know how you're coming up with your list, but I and wackou are both receiving notifications. I haven't yet entered the @ list of other witnesses into my Telegram contacts. I'll take care of that now. What groups should I subscribe to?
Thom, you are not located in the telegram's witness channel. You may be in the 'general bitshares' channel where there are just too many users to go through. Sorry I missed your username. What is your username in telegram?
That means the only members missing are: twitter, pc, dannotestein, iHashFury, Fox, maqifrnswa, triox, Thom, wackou, and the owner of "delegated-proof-of-steak". Is this correct? How shall we reach them?
pc, triox, ihashfury and wackou are in the slack group. The rest are pending invite acceptance. I believe delegated-proof-of-steak is a dev.
Edit: bue is now in both telegram and slack.
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Don't know how you're coming up with your list, but I and wackou are both receiving notifications. I haven't yet entered the @ list of other witnesses into my Telegram contacts. I'll take care of that now. What groups should I subscribe to?
Thom, you are not located in the telegram's witness channel. You may be in the 'general bitshares' channel where there are just too many users to go through. What is your username in telegram?
Thanks cube, I was just looking for the witness group here in the forum. What is the name of that group? I will add myself there if you can tell me what it is. My telegram name is "Thomas Freedman".
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Don't know how you're coming up with your list, but I and wackou are both receiving notifications. I haven't yet entered the @ list of other witnesses into my Telegram contacts. I'll take care of that now. What groups should I subscribe to?
Thom, you are not located in the telegram's witness channel. You may be in the 'general bitshares' channel where there are just too many users to go through. What is your username in telegram?
Thanks cube, I was just looking for the witness group here in the forum. What is the name of that group? I will add myself there if you can tell me what it is. My telegram name is "Thomas Freedman".
The group name is Bitshares_Witnesses. I think "Thomas Freedman" is your name in telegram and not a username there. A username is written as '@somename' in your telegram profile.
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Don't know how you're coming up with your list, but I and wackou are both receiving notifications. I haven't yet entered the @ list of other witnesses into my Telegram contacts. I'll take care of that now. What groups should I subscribe to?
Thom, you are not located in the telegram's witness channel. You may be in the 'general bitshares' channel where there are just too many users to go through. What is your username in telegram?
Thanks cube, I was just looking for the witness group here in the forum. What is the name of that group? I will add myself there if you can tell me what it is. My telegram name is "Thomas Freedman".
The group name is Bitshares_Witnesses. I think "Thomas Freedman" is your name in telegram and not a username there. A username is written as '@somename' in your telegram profile.
I wasn't able to find the group with search, but roadscape added me to it. I see what wackou means, it is a rather chatty group. I think we out to have another group ONLY for important alerts, something like @bitshares_alerts or @witness_alerts.
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I think we out to have another group ONLY for important alerts, something like @bitshares_alerts or @witness_alerts.
I agree such a channel would be very useful. I created an witness announcements/alerts channel and invited all you guys in. There will be no chats there except important or urgent annoucements. Currently we have 18 active witnesses there.
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This webhook on bitshares-2 repo would let the witness Slack group to be notified on commits to Master and bitshares branches.
"Enter https://hooks.slack.com/services/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 as the Payload URL. Ensure that the Content type is application/json and that SSL verfication is enabled. You can choose the events that you'd like to trigger notifications, but only commits."
We can assign notifications to a specific channel or let each one choose to be notified by personal messages. I like it more than individually becoming a Watcher on github as this would trigger coordination from witnesses.
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This webhook on bitshares-2 repo would let the witness Slack group to be notified on commits to Master and bitshares branches.
"Enter https://hooks.slack.com/services/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 as the Payload URL. Ensure that the Content type is application/json and that SSL verfication is enabled. You can choose the events that you'd like to trigger notifications, but only commits."
We can assign notifications to a specific channel or let each one choose to be notified by personal messages. I like it more than individually becoming a Watcher on github as this would trigger coordination from witnesses.
Wonderful! I can see things can get really more streamlined if this can be linked up.
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Is it possible to disable notifications for certain Telegram groups and not others?
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Is it possible to disable notifications for certain Telegram groups and not others?
Yes. Go into that group, finger on the menu, select 'mute notifications' if you choose to mute it.
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+5% Thx! cube!!!
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thanks to all of you. great input everyone. this quest is still active to my knowledge.
Can have what @datasecuritynode and @thom were talking about?
telegram with skype as a backup? We can make the slack private and use its instant notifications.
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I'm not familiar with telegram, that's why I'm not there. Like Thom, I prefer to not have too many communication channels.
I like roadscape's idea of using this forum with its email-notifications.
And I find DSN's suggestion to simply vote everyone out who's not on telegram extremely counterproductive. Being a good witness encompasses more than being able to use some messenger app, IMO.
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I'm not familiar with telegram, that's why I'm not there. Like Thom, I prefer to not have too many communication channels.
I like roadscape's idea of using this forum with its email-notifications.
And I find DSN's suggestion to simply vote everyone out who's not on telegram extremely counterproductive. Being a good witness encompasses more than being able to use some messenger app, IMO.
Your right it's not about using some messenger app.. but it is about staying informed and in the decided communication channels that are most efficient.. this is critical.. so voting people in or out whom refuse to stay informed to me is most productive in ensuring all witnesses are on the same page.. especially during these early stages.
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I'm not familiar with telegram, that's why I'm not there. Like Thom, I prefer to not have too many communication channels.
I like roadscape's idea of using this forum with its email-notifications.
And I find DSN's suggestion to simply vote everyone out who's not on telegram extremely counterproductive. Being a good witness encompasses more than being able to use some messenger app, IMO.
Your right it's not about using some messenger app.. but it is about staying informed and in the decided communication channels that are most efficient.. this is critical.. so voting people in or out whom refuse to stay informed to me is most productive in ensuring all witnesses are on the same page.. especially during these early stages.
it is indeed critical...thus the quest. :)
wouldn't an rss feed (though slower than slack) be something most all people would be comfortable utilizing?
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but it is about staying informed and in the decided communication channels that are most efficient.. this is critical.. so voting people in or out whom refuse to stay informed to me is most productive in ensuring all witnesses are on the same page.. especially during these early stages.
Of course I fully agree with that. But this quote is saying something completely different than "vote out all witnesses who're not on telegram".
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emski: emski
If I'm not late for the party ("id": "1.6.36")
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Can we agree on a first step? Let's collect all witness' forum handles. From there we can, at the very least, notify them of this thread..
I'll start:
<forum name>: <witness name>
roadscape: roadscape
Hope it is not too late.
<forum name> : <witness name>
ffwong : dragonball
witness id: 1.6.46
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witness id - witness name - bts talk id
1.6.35 - in.abit - abit
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witness id - 1.6.44
witness name - checkraiser
bts talk id - checkraiser
How to get added to telegram group?
telegram handle is @checkraiser
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Latest update:
Telegram (suggest as a primary channel)
1) BTS Witness Alerts channel created in Telegram. This channel is NOT for chat but important announcements and alerts only.
2) Bitshares_Witnesses channel Telegram. This channel is for discusion on issues the witnesses face and a place to get guidance.
spartako has creaed a wonderful alert+status bot.
Slack (suggest as a backup)
1) #witness. This channel is NOT for chat but important announcements and alerts only.
2) #general This channel is for discusion on issues the witnesses face and a place to get guidance.
rnglab and spartako are working integration with github and porting bot over
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) pc not in Telegram - I just sent him an invite a moment ago. Waiting for his response
2) Thom not in Slack - He is not accepting it (because of no alert bot) for now
3) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
3) maqifrnswa not in both - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
4) delegated-proof-of-steak not in both - (dev?? with unknown contact)
5) delegate.btsnow not in both (dev)
The responses from the witnesses are very good and I was pleasantly surprised.
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Latest update:
Telegram (suggest as a primary channel)
1) BTS Witness Alerts channel created in Telegram. This channel is NOT for chat but important announcements and alerts only.
2) Bitshares_Witnesses channel Telegram. This channel is for discusion on issues the witnesses face and a place to get guidance.
spartako has creaed a wonderful alert+status bot.
Slack (suggest as a backup)
1) #witness. This channel is NOT for chat but important announcements and alerts only.
2) #general This channel is for discusion on issues the witnesses face and a place to get guidance.
rnglab and spartako are working integration with github and porting bot over
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) pc not in Telegram - I just sent him an invite a moment ago. Waiting for his response
2) Thom not in Slack - He is not accepting it (because of no alert bot) for now
3) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
3) maqifrnswa not in both - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
4) delegated-proof-of-steak not in both - (dev?? with unknown contact)
5) delegate.btsnow not in both (dev)
The responses from the witnesses are very good and I was pleasantly surprised.
Getting closer!
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but it is about staying informed and in the decided communication channels that are most efficient.. this is critical.. so voting people in or out whom refuse to stay informed to me is most productive in ensuring all witnesses are on the same page.. especially during these early stages.
Of course I fully agree with that. But this quote is saying something completely different than "vote out all witnesses who're not on telegram".
Sorry for the misunderstanding.. my follow up explanation was really the nuance of what I meant. Whatever system is agreed on should become the standard and if witnesses don't join in then should impact their votes to ensure 100% witness participation.
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Latest update:
Telegram (suggest as a primary channel)
1) BTS Witness Alerts channel created in Telegram. This channel is NOT for chat but important announcements and alerts only.
2) Bitshares_Witnesses channel Telegram. This channel is for discusion on issues the witnesses face and a place to get guidance.
spartako has creaed a wonderful alert+status bot.
Slack (suggest as a backup)
1) #witness. This channel is NOT for chat but important announcements and alerts only.
2) #general This channel is for discusion on issues the witnesses face and a place to get guidance.
rnglab and spartako are working integration with github and porting bot over
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) pc not in Telegram - I just sent him an invite a moment ago. Waiting for his response
2) Thom not in Slack - He is not accepting it (because of no alert bot) for now
3) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
3) maqifrnswa not in both - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
4) delegated-proof-of-steak not in both - (dev?? with unknown contact)
5) delegate.btsnow not in both (dev)
The responses from the witnesses are very good and I was pleasantly surprised.
That is my primary reason, secondary is just one more platform to stay chained to, plus the point is to be in touch as much as possible 24x7, and the phone is only way to do that for me. A slack website is not practical on the phone for quick, important info exchange. For casual, non-time critical comm it would be fine I'm sure.
1 - bitsharestalk forum for, well - it's our history, database
2- mumble for real time voice / chat
3- Telegram for fast comm, integrated with real time witness activity
4- slack for ??????????? Why slack?
Is there not one platform to handle at least 3 out of 4 in this list?
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What about baking a Trollbox function into the client?
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(bump) ;)
Ya'll are so close! What's it going to take to wrap this up?! Ham radio? :P
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(bump) ;)
Ya'll are so close! What's it going to take to wrap this up?! Ham radio? :P
Well played!!
@cube thanks for getting this list put together.
@thom as long as all the delegates are in one or the other and only a couple delegates are missing for legitimate reasons, i can see this. Once you get your phone you will see it has slack and telegram already on it.
Oh wow...i just realized the delegated-proof-of-steak. Almost died laughing.
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bumping for brownies
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bumping for brownies
:)
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Latest update:
Telegram (primary channel)
There is now a backup alert bot.
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) pc not in Telegram - I just sent him an invite a moment ago. Waiting for his response
pc has joined both Telegram and Slack
2) Thom not in Slack - He is not accepting it for now
3) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
3) maqifrnswa not in both - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
4) delegated-proof-of-steak not in both - (dev)
5) delegate.btsnow not in both (dev)
6) lafona not in Slack (he was missed out)- he has confirmed to join Slack when he is back
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That is my primary reason, secondary is just one more platform to stay chained to, plus the point is to be in touch as much as possible 24x7, and the phone is only way to do that for me. A slack website is not practical on the phone for quick, important info exchange. For casual, non-time critical comm it would be fine I'm sure.
1 - bitsharestalk forum for, well - it's our history, database
2- mumble for real time voice / chat
3- Telegram for fast comm, integrated with real time witness activity
4- slack for ??????????? Why slack?
Is there not one platform to handle at least 3 out of 4 in this list?
Slack has a mobile app and it functions like a Telegram mobile app does. It is easy to use. You do not need to use the Slack website on a mobile.
Slack is in every way similar to Telegram when it comes to 'fast comm, integrated with real time witness activity'.
Why slack? It is for emergency witness alerts (and witness discussions just like in Telegram if you like) and it is our backup communication channel. We need to have another alert communication channel ready so that when Telegram fails, we can immediately fall back on Slack and keep the real-time communication going.
Is there not one platform to handle at least 3 out of 4 in this list?
Witness alert communication channel has a very different purpose and requirement. It needs to function in a real-time, unclustered, unplanned-for and interactive manner. bitsharestalk and mumble are not really suitable.
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I downloaded and installed telegram for Windows, and I've figured out how to add individual contacts, but I don't see how to add a group. Can someone assist me? My telegram username is @dannote.
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I downloaded and installed telegram for Windows, and I've figured out how to add individual contacts, but I don't see how to add a group. Can someone assist me? My telegram username is @dannote.
I've invited you to both telegram groups.
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I downloaded and installed telegram for Windows, and I've figured out how to add individual contacts, but I don't see how to add a group. Can someone assist me? My telegram username is @dannote.
Now that you are part of the Telegram Witness channel (thanks to roadscape), I like to invite you to the Slack group (backup channel). I PM'ed you the invite.
BTW, in case you are not aware, both Telegram and Slack have their mobile android apps You can get alerts on the go.
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I downloaded and installed telegram for Windows, and I've figured out how to add individual contacts, but I don't see how to add a group. Can someone assist me? My telegram username is @dannote.
I've invited you to both telegram groups.
Great, seems to work now. Is this an invite only group then? Or does Windows client just not have support for searching for groups?
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Great, seems to work now. Is this an invite only group then? Or does Windows client just not have support for searching for groups?
Afaik, they are invite only groups. Windows client can search for groups.
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Here's the latest active witness list:
witness - id - forum
bitcube - 1.6.12 - cube
roadscape - 1.6.13 - roadscape
dele-puppy - 1.6.14 - puppies
spartako - 1.6.15 - spartako
fox - 1.6.16 - Fox
bhuz - 1.6.17 - Bhuz
wackou - 1.6.18 - wackou
mindphlux.witness - 1.6.19 - mindphlux
elmato - 1.6.20 - ElMato
cyrano - 1.6.21 - pc
xeldal - 1.6.22 - Xeldal
harvey-xts - 1.6.23 - Harvey
mr.agsexplorer - 1.6.24 - boombastic
bue - 1.6.25 - twitter
delegate-clayop - 1.6.27 - clayop
delegate-1.lafona - 1.6.28 - lafona
triox-delegate - 1.6.29 - triox
spectral - 1.6.30 - Spectral
holytransaction - 1.6.32 - darbon
verbaltech2 - 1.6.34 - Thom
in.abit - 1.6.35 - abit
delegate.btsnow - 1.6.40 - dannotestein
delegated-proof-of-steak - 1.6.42 - ?
maqifrnswa - 1.6.43 - maqifrnswa
rnglab - 1.6.45 - rnglab
dragonball - 1.6.46 - ffwong
datasecuritynode - 1.6.49 - DataSecurityNode
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Latest update:
Telegram (primary channel)
There is now a backup alert bot.
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) pc not in Telegram - I just sent him an invite a moment ago. Waiting for his response
pc has joined both Telegram and Slack
2) Thom not in Slack - He is not accepting it for now
3) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
3) maqifrnswa not in both - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
4) delegated-proof-of-steak not in both - (dev)
5) delegate.btsnow not in both (dev)
6) lafona not in Slack (he was missed out)- he has confirmed to join Slack when he is back
i've been in telegram for a week and am using sparkato's bot
my name is "Scott (maqifrnswa)" i'll just change it to maqifrnswa
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i've been in telegram for a week and am using sparkato's bot
my name is "Scott (maqifrnswa)" i'll just change it to maqifrnswa
You were in another bitshares group and not the Bitshares Witness group. I added you to the right Telegram channel and slack invite.
EDIT:
Latest update:
Telegram (primary channel)
There is now a backup alert bot.
Slack (backup channel)
Another great piece of news: spartako's witness alert bot is ported over to the slack group. I have tested it and it works! Thank you, spartako.
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) pc not in Telegram - I just sent him an invite a moment ago. Waiting for his response
pc has joined both Telegram and Slack
2) Thom not in Slack - He is not accepting it for now
3) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
3) maqifrnswa not in both - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
maqifrnswa not in Slack just yet - I sent him Slack invite. Waiting for his response
4) delegated-proof-of-steak not in both - (dev. Does anyone know his forum handle?)
Turns out to be modprobe. Invite sent. Waiting for his response
5) delegate.btsnow not in both (dev)
Turns out to be Dan Notestein. He is now in both.
6) lafona not in Slack (he was missed out)- he has confirmed to join Slack when he is back
@thom
You can get the same alert and node monitoring from the slack bot. Slack channel #witness is to be used strictly for sending alerts and announcement. You can get alert notification from the ease of your mobile andriod app (just like telegram) and for 24x7. There is no chatty stuff in this channel. Slack would become the backup channel for the witnesses (if there is no objection). Slack has an added advantage of integrating to github and hence it can get git commit alerts too. Please do reconsider accepting my invite and join our slack witness group.
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This thread highlights good and bad issues about Bitshares at the moment.
It's good that we have finally come to an agreement on communication channels but I'm also disappointed. It should not have taken six pages on this thread to reorganise what 80% of the test and initial witnesses had already organised.
Bitshares (open invitation (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18642.msg239442.html#msg239442)) and Bitshares_Witnesses (invite only) Telegram groups have been running successfully since the test net and all witnesses were invited to the telegram and slack witness groups (including Bytemaster).
I publicly removed myself from Bitshares_Witnesses after being voted out. I did not want to appear hypocritical because I had politely refused entry to Bitshares users wanting to be in the witness group (that had sent me private messages) who were not voted in as witnesses.
I'd like to thank everyone who was involved in setting up these communication channels and hope their continued use benefits the promotion and stability of Bitshares and it's "business" model.
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This thread highlights good and bad issues about Bitshares at the moment.
It's good that we have finally come to an agreement on communication channels but I'm also disappointed. It should not have taken six pages on this thread to reorganise what 80% of the test and initial witnesses had already organised.
Bitshares (open invitation (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18642.msg239442.html#msg239442)) and Bitshares_Witnesses (invite only) Telegram groups have been running successfully since the test net and all witnesses were invited to the telegram and slack witness groups (including Bytemaster).
I publicly removed myself from Bitshares_Witnesses after being voted out. I did not want to appear hypocritical because I had politely refused entry to Bitshares users wanting to be in the witness group (that had sent me private messages) who were not voted in as witnesses.
I'd like to thank everyone who was involved in setting up these communication channels and hope their continued use benefits the promotion and stability of Bitshares and it's "business" model.
It really is up to those who had already created thise channels to come on here and work on getting it done. There is still time for you to win by making sure all witnesses join your platforms.
This was needed by bm asap and noone from those channels even posted to this thread. Im sure the rest of this threads participants would have loved to help support them...but it it took over 2 days for a response to even be out on here regarding the organization thereof. That is not anyone's fault who has been actively trying to complete this quest within the thread, right?
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It's not about Brownie's.
Its good business sense not to wast time on reorganising systems that are all ready in place and working efficiently.
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In business you only need to "slay the monster" once!
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In business you only need to "slay the monster" once!
Though i greatly respect you ihash, i think you are missing my point.
This threads goal is almost satisfied. From what you are saying, the other channels available should have had one heck of an incentive to use their lead to gain the brownies. Unfortunately noone from those channels chose to represent those groups here until now...after others stepped up to complete the quest. It needed done and it is almost done....but that doesnt mean its impossible to win if those two platforms are as far advanced in completing the mission too.
Maybe you should be the one to rally them? :)
And p.s. in tech businesses efforts are often doubled for security reasons...this is the case here as well. Multiple channels are going to be very good to have, but we still need one where bm can get in contact with all delegates.
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:D
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Latest update: We are very close to full participation
Telegram (primary channel)
There is now a backup alert bot.
Slack (backup channel)
Another great piece of news: spartako's witness alert bot is ported over to the slack group. I have tested it and it works! Thank you, spartako.
Requested dev to allow integrate bitshares github to slack for notification. Nathan is helping on this.
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) Thom not in Slack - He is not accepting it for now
Thom has joined both Telegram and Slack
2) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
2) maqifrnswa not in both - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
maqifrnswa has joined both Telegram and Slack
3) delegated-proof-of-steak not in both
Turns out to be modprobe. He has joined both.
4) delegate.btsnow not in both (dev)
Turns out to be Dan Notestein. He is now in both.
5) lafona not in Slack (he was missed out)- he has confirmed to join Slack when he is back
lafona has joined both Telegram and Slack
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Very close? Who is missing?
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Latest update: We are very close to full participation
Telegram (primary channel)
There is now a backup alert bot.
Slack (backup channel)
Another great piece of news: spartako's witness alert bot is ported over to the slack group. I have tested it and it works! Thank you, spartako.
Requested dev to allow integrate bitshares github to slack for notification. Nathan is helping on this.
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) Thom not in Slack - He is not accepting it for now
Thom has joined both Telegram and Slack
2) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
2) maqifrnswa not in both - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
maqifrnswa has joined both Telegram and Slack
3) delegated-proof-of-steak not in both
Turns out to be modprobe. He has joined both.
4) delegate.btsnow not in both (dev)
Turns out to be Dan Notestein. He is now in both.
5) lafona not in Slack (he was missed out)- he has confirmed to join Slack when he is back
lafona has joined both Telegram and Slack
+5% well done cube..
Also, these witnesses appear to have been voted in recently.. would you mind sending the proper invites?
1.6.44 - checkraiser (I invited @checkraiser to both witness groups)
1.6.47 - delegate.kencode (can't find him on telegram)
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Also, these witnesses appear to have been voted in recently.. would you mind sending the proper invites?
1.6.44 - checkraiser (I invited @checkraiser to both witness groups)
1.6.47 - delegate.kencode (can't find him on telegram)
Invite sent to checkraiser. I gather that delegate.kencode may be managed by DSN.
@Datasecuritynode, is it right?
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Also, these witnesses appear to have been voted in recently.. would you mind sending the proper invites?
1.6.44 - checkraiser (I invited @checkraiser to both witness groups)
1.6.47 - delegate.kencode (can't find him on telegram)
Invite sent to checkraiser. I gather that delegate.kencode may be managed by DSN.
@Datasecuritynode, is it right?
DSN is data. That is correct.
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Latest update: New active witnesses
Telegram (primary channel)
There is now a backup alert bot.
Slack (backup channel)
bot is working. Use the '!' (instead of '#') to activate command.
Slack is integrated to bitshares github. Make sure you are on Slack #general to get instant bitshares releases' notifications.
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
2) iHashFury is back in the active witness list (congraz!) - Invite sent to him. Waiting for his response
3) New active witness checkraiser is in both telegram and slack.
To all witnesses and devs, please PM me if you like to join the witness channels.
Edit:
4) taojie and alt have joined the active witnesses. alt has joined both telegram and slack.
Invite sent to taojie and waiting for his response.
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Latest update: Getting closer again
Telegram (primary channel)
There is now a backup alert bot.
Slack (backup channel)
bot is working. Use the '!' (instead of '#') to activate command.
Slack is integrated to bitshares github. Make sure you are on Slack #general to get instant bitshares releases' notifications.
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
Holytran has joined both. Welcome.
2) iHashFury is back in the active witness list (congraz!) - Invite sent to him. Waiting for his response
iHashFury is back in Telegram and Slack. Welcome back!
3) taolj (Tao Tao) has joined the active witnesses.
Invite sent to tao and waiting for his response.
4) Invite PMed to BM. Waiting for his response
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Latest update: Getting closer again
Telegram (primary channel)
There is now a backup alert bot.
Slack (backup channel)
bot is working. Use the '!' (instead of '#') to activate command.
Slack is integrated to bitshares github. Make sure you are on Slack #general to get instant bitshares releases' notifications.
Most of the active witnesses (and a few other non-active ones) are registered in both Telegram and Slack, except:
1) Holytransaction not in Slack - I sent him invite earlier. Waiting for his response
Holytran has joined both. Welcome.
2) iHashFury is back in the active witness list (congraz!) - Invite sent to him. Waiting for his response
iHashFury is back in Telegram and Slack. Welcome back!
3) taolj (Tao Tao) has joined the active witnesses.
Invite sent to tao and waiting for his response.
4) Invite PMed to BM. Waiting for his response
Sooo close. :D
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Latest update:
All active witnesses in both Telegram and Slack channels. We reach 100% participation.
Plus, we just had a co-ordinated successful withness's pay withdrawal. Happy partying! :)
You guys are marvellous.
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Latest update:
All active witnesses in both Telegram and Slack channels. We reach 100% participation.
Plus, we just had a co-ordinated successful withness's pay withdrawal. Happy partying! :)
You guys are marvellous.
Ok! Did you let BM know via a PM? If not, please do!
This thread's participation breaks down as such:
1 @thistome
1 @maqifrnswa
1 @phillyguy
1 @emski
1 @ffwong
1 @abit
1 @checkrasier
1 @julian1
1 @bitscape
1 @werneo
1 @wackou
1 @twitter
1 @ByronP
2 @dannotestein
2 @pc
2 @rnglab
4 @DataSecurityNode
4 @iHashFury
13 @Thom
13 @roadscape
21 @cube (completed)
Please leave your bts address on the following spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BsdazGaUVrNKkvm3EE6_iNypssPIoRhIfPzi9m60iCg/edit?usp=sharing) so I can distribute brownies for participation!
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I am in.
join the lastest witness's pay withdrawal testing.
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Please leave your bts address on the following spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BsdazGaUVrNKkvm3EE6_iNypssPIoRhIfPzi9m60iCg/edit?usp=sharing) so I can distribute brownies for participation!
My BTS address is "pmc", not "pc" (can't edit the sheet myself it seems).
Thanks!
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Just finished this thread. I've been involved in BTS since PTS and I'm ready to be a delegate. Ive read through almost all of the docs, but I couldn't find one very important piece of information. What is the recommended OS and version to run a delegate on? I've seen references to several Ubuntu versions but it seem like this is the best group to ask.
Also, is there a way to become a witness without using 0.9.3 keys? I've already converted over to 2.0 on all of my accounts.
I use Slack all the time for work and installed Telegram in preparation. I also have pretty extensive knowledge of git, node etc. Thanks for any help you can offer.
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Please leave your bts address on the following spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BsdazGaUVrNKkvm3EE6_iNypssPIoRhIfPzi9m60iCg/edit?usp=sharing) so I can distribute brownies for participation!
My BTS address is "pmc", not "pc" (can't edit the sheet myself it seems).
Thanks!
I have stopped people from editing. Only comment privs because i do not want people to be able to mess with the official record of brownies ive sent :)
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I think that's a good idea fuzz, that way there is one person we can blame when we don't get out brownies :D
As always, my bts account is in my forum profile. The spreadsheet is the BTS 1.0 account, don't use that :o
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I think that's a good idea fuzz, that way there is one person we can blame when we don't get out brownies :D
As always, my bts account is in my forum profile. The spreadsheet is the BTS 1.0 account, don't use that :o
unfortunately I cannot go in and change everyone's account every time they change it simply based on forum comments, please check the spreadsheet and add a comment in the appropriate area otherwise I cannot guarantee anything. I have lots and lots of stuff going on in the background so it is really easy to forget :/
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Please leave your bts address on the following spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BsdazGaUVrNKkvm3EE6_iNypssPIoRhIfPzi9m60iCg/edit?usp=sharing) so I can distribute brownies for participation!
My BTS address is "pmc", not "pc" (can't edit the sheet myself it seems).
Thanks!
Yes, the spreadsheet is in VIEW ONLY mode. I cannot add 'bitcube' nor any comment to it.
Fuz, any idea?
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I think that's a good idea fuzz, that way there is one person we can blame when we don't get out brownies :D
As always, my bts account is in my forum profile. The spreadsheet is the BTS 1.0 account, don't use that :o
unfortunately I cannot go in and change everyone's account every time they change it simply based on forum comments, please check the spreadsheet and add a comment in the appropriate area otherwise I cannot guarantee anything. I have lots and lots of stuff going on in the background so it is really easy to forget :/
I know. BUT
No matter how much 'lots and lots of stuff you have going on in the background' you should always take the time to send 0.0002 USD worth of brownies whenever they are appropriately earned!
Period!
These are BROWNIES! ...not some background running stuff!
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nz0fXiVvPfldyWxianBguMRS9QnOJ02Kz-TSwOb5ZMw/edit?usp=sharing
Here is a new link that anyone can comment on. Please try to comment in the area of question so I can check and work on it. It is important to have a level of transparency, but unfortunately I cannot open it up to everyone to edit (due to issues with individuals potentially joining and altering payment history).
From now on I'll have this link in my profile.
(Edit: for some reason it will not allow me to add a url to the profile sig...)
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I think that's a good idea fuzz, that way there is one person we can blame when we don't get out brownies :D
As always, my bts account is in my forum profile. The spreadsheet is the BTS 1.0 account, don't use that :o
unfortunately I cannot go in and change everyone's account every time they change it simply based on forum comments, please check the spreadsheet and add a comment in the appropriate area otherwise I cannot guarantee anything. I have lots and lots of stuff going on in the background so it is really easy to forget :/
I know. BUT
No matter how much 'lots and lots of stuff you have going on in the background' you should always take the time to send 0.0002 USD worth of brownies whenever they are appropriately earned!
Period!
These are BROWNIES! ...not some background running stuff!
:) thanks for the confidence tony!
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New witness here:
name: billbutler
id: 1.6.57
ip: 52.23.94.205
A couple of things. Looking for votes and for inclusion into Slack and Telegram. My Telegram username is @wmbutler
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Payments have gone out (20 brownies to first post/bump, 5 brownies for every post thereafter, and 400 for bitcube for completing the quest.
List of individuals needing to add their account in the following spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BsdazGaUVrNKkvm3EE6_iNypssPIoRhIfPzi9m60iCg/edit?usp=sharing)
@byron
@dannotestein
@checkrasier
@emski
@ffwong
@julian1
@maqifrnswa
@rnglab
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Loves the tasty brownies. Thank you!
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All,
With the help of xeroc, I've gotten my witness node up at AWS us-east-1. Any chance I could get some votes?
name: billbutler
id: 1.6.57
ip: 52.23.94.205
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@wmbutler publishing IPs of (block producing) witness nodes is not a good idea b/c it allows people to DDOS your machine
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Hello everyone. I am posting this to notify you that the Quest has been completed and most of the payments have been sent out (save a few individuals who haven't added comments to the distribution spreadsheet (to give their account name).
This thread is now going to be closed as it is beginning to move to the "off-topic" realm.