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Main => Technical Support => Topic started by: Riverhead on October 24, 2015, 07:31:52 am
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As Cryptonomex matures and gains traction as a world class Blockchain consulting firm Bitshares will need to focus more on the committee to sustain itself. To that end I have been thinking about who I would want to have a hand on the helm. This is not a popularity contest or a measure of one's worth in the community. It's purely as a shareholder wanting the best for my investment.
1) BM - While he has publicly stated he has not interest in this position I feel he needs to take a seat at this table for a while longer.
2) Carpet Ride - Well seasoned in the real world of the investment business, long term Bitshares silent supporter.
3) Toast - Though moved on to other projects a committee member is not a paid or full time position. His crypto/economic domain knowledge and no BS approach would be an island of clarity.
4) btswildpig - A long term supporter of BTS and a fantastic representative for the Chinese community.
5) alt - Strong technical understanding of Bitshares and, as far as I know, in good standing with the Chinese community.
6) Method-x - A proven track record of knowing what succeeds in the marketplace.
7) This list will change over time.
Like I said at the start this is not a popularity contest nor is this an exhaustive list of my dream slate. These are the people I'd want to have sitting around the table, engaging the community, making decisions, and ensuring the stable future of the project.
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+5% nothing to add
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Fav?
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Fav?
Fav has indeed been a strong supporter of the project from the start and a valuable member of the community. What do you feel he would add to the above pool that is not already represented?
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Fav?
thanks, but the time I got between working voluntary for the forum and trying to build referrals is already very limited at the moment. I just don't have the time to get involved in politics :)
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Is 6 enough? Some other suggestions: vikram, xeroc, arhag, nathan, xeldal, theoretical..
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can I join the Committe? I think I am also a good representative for Chinese community. :)
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Is 6 enough? Some other suggestions: vikram, xeroc, arhag, nathan, xeldal, theoretical..
vikram, nathan, and theoretical are all CNX core.
I don't think he is saying 6 is all thats needed.. those are just some of the members he would like to see.
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good list, I too like xeroc.
Has anyone publicly declared an interest in being on the committee?
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I don't think he is saying 6 is all thats needed.. those are just some of the members he would like to see.
Exactly.
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I think you would be good at it riverhead. Especially since you have decided not to pursue a witness position. You could be a permanent committee member. I know I would vote for you.
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I think you would be good at it riverhead. Especially since you have decided not to pursue a witness position. You could be a permanent committee member. I know I would vote for you.
I agree 100%
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I think the best committee members will be people who have a solid understanding of market dynamics. Regular traders, folks with a background in economics, etc.
- Agent86 (probably no longer with BTS)
- Riverhead
- bitmeat
- monsterer
- ????
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Bm- wants to leave the project and/or start charging to fix problems cnx created and should not have been problems prior to 2.0 release.
Toast- quit the project, works for a competitors
Method- got elected as a delegate, quit, still got paid, never delivered anything while blaming the market cap and being too busy with more important things.
Bm would be good to have for a while since he has a lot at stake. Method and toast I would vote against... Unless they can do something to alter their perception based on past events. Remeber bm said committee members need to have a lot at stake in the bts ecosystem. Either balances should be shown or business plans should be known for each member.
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Method- got elected as a delegate, quit, still got paid, never delivered anything while blaming the market cap and being too busy with more important things.
False! I NEVER got paid anything. Everything I did for this project was done for free. In fact, I invested my own money and incurred massive losses. If the "perception" is that I got elected and quit taking BTS for myself, that's just fucking disgusting. I left because I'm not working for free and have my own company to run. I also have zero interest in being a committee member.
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I think monsterer would be good.
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Method- got elected as a delegate, quit, still got paid, never delivered anything while blaming the market cap and being too busy with more important things.
False. I NEVER got paid anything! Everything I did for this project was done for free.
I don't have anything against you method... Just reporting what I saw over the last year. You were elected, said you were going to bring Stacie on to help, never saw her after the wine drinking video, you barely came around the whole first half of 2015, and your delegate was receiving funds the whole time. I'm not sure if you were giving them to someone else, but their was a lack of transparency that I believe committee members need to have.
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Method- got elected as a delegate, quit, still got paid, never delivered anything while blaming the market cap and being too busy with more important things.
False. I NEVER got paid anything! Everything I did for this project was done for free.
I don't have anything against you method... Just reporting what I saw over the last year. You were elected, said you were going to bring Stacie on to help, never saw her after the wine drinking video, you barely came around the whole first half of 2015, and your delegate was receiving funds the whole time. I'm not sure if you were giving them to someone else, but their was a lack of transparency that I believe committee members need to have.
Riverhead made a public post stating he was using the funds to provide liquidity for metaexchange. I also had about 250k BTS in reserves when I decided to leave and gave them all to Cass. Both can confirm. I have no interest in being involved with any political position in this community. BTS1 was unmarketable as a product. Nothing I could do about that; defer blame elsewhere.
EDIT:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15131.0.html
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18168.msg232236.html#msg232236
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15131.msg195459.html#msg195459
Despite certain other people around here who try to take credit, I came up with the idea to put a referral program on a blockchain by using a DACs fees (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,9024.msg116871.html). That system wasn't available in BTS1 so I had to make due with a paid delegate. When I left, I was told to keep quiet about leaving because it would impact market cap, so I did.
How long would you work for free lil_jay890?
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Since method has said he has no interest, and I believe toast is a poor choice.I would suggest kencode and Ander as committee members.
Kencode because he is building a business around bts and has great business acumen. Also his business needs bts to succeed
Ander because he is a long time dedicated forum member, looks for opportunities to support bts with outside ventures (qora), and has trading knowledge to apply to the exchange interface
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Since I'm here I may as well explain the reasons nobody wants this position:
You're basically a politician and have to spend a LOT of time communicating with shareholders to maintain a positive perception (your previous post is a great example of what I mean). That would be fine if you were getting some sort of compensation but committee members are unpaid positions (as they should be). On top of all that, community members here are viciously overly critical. Not only do they expect you to work for free, but you have to work damn hard at that.
Perhaps I'm wrong and being a committee member will be much easier than an unpaid marketing delegate, but I don't think so.
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why don't we let the blockchain burn a certain amount of bitshares per day per committee member?
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Method- got elected as a delegate, quit, still got paid, never delivered anything while blaming the market cap and being too busy with more important things.
False. I NEVER got paid anything! Everything I did for this project was done for free.
I don't have anything against you method... Just reporting what I saw over the last year. You were elected, said you were going to bring Stacie on to help, never saw her after the wine drinking video, you barely came around the whole first half of 2015, and your delegate was receiving funds the whole time. I'm not sure if you were giving them to someone else, but their was a lack of transparency that I believe committee members need to have.
Riverhead made a public post stating he was using the funds to provide liquidity for metaexchange. I also had about 250k BTS in reserves when I decided to leave and gave them all to Cass. Both can confirm. I have no interest in being involved with any political position in this community. BTS1 was unmarketable as a product. Nothing I could do about that; defer blame elsewhere.
EDIT:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15131.0.html
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,18168.msg232236.html#msg232236
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,15131.msg195459.html#msg195459
Despite certain other people around here who try to take credit, I came up with the idea to put a referral program on a blockchain by using a DACs fees (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,9024.msg116871.html). That system wasn't available in BTS1 so I had to make due with a paid delegate. When I left, I was told to keep quiet about leaving because it would impact market cap, so I did.
How long would you work for free lil_jay890?
I wouldn't work for free and I wouldn't expect anyone else to either. I'm not here to cut you down. I just don't know the story of what was happening between when you were elected in late November 2014 and the post by riverhead that you were moving on in late March of 2015. And I never heard of delegates being told to keep quite about leaving, and if it did happen that is terrible.
BTS1 didn't work for many of the reason listed in this thread. I'm just trying to emphasize transparency is a necessity.
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Since I'm here I may as well explain the reasons nobody wants this position:
You're basically a politician and have to spend a LOT of time communicating with shareholders to maintain a positive perception (your previous post is a great example of what I mean). That would be fine if you were getting some sort of compensation but committee members are unpaid positions (as they should be). On top of all that, community members here are viciously overly critical. Not only do they expect you to work for free, but you have to work damn hard at that.
Perhaps I'm wrong and being a committee member will be much easier than an unpaid marketing delegate, but I don't think so.
I can certainly agree with this ^
Not all community members are vicious though. I have actually found a small and very vocal demographic does help give that impression at times though (and I can include myself in the past to have been in this demographic).
However, I WILL say that BTS committee members are public servants...
I personally think that the community should be able to vote to keep committee members in power after priorly-specified periods of time are up. If the community agrees that the committee member has done well at the end of that point, the committee member in question can be given a certain amount of funding as a thank you for remaining trustworthy.
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Since I'm here I may as well explain the reasons nobody wants this position:
You're basically a politician and have to spend a LOT of time communicating with shareholders to maintain a positive perception (your previous post is a great example of what I mean). That would be fine if you were getting some sort of compensation but committee members are unpaid positions (as they should be). On top of all that, community members here are viciously overly critical. Not only do they expect you to work for free, but you have to work damn hard at that.
Perhaps I'm wrong and being a committee member will be much easier than an unpaid marketing delegate, but I don't think so.
I can certainly agree with this ^
Not all community members are vicious though. I have actually found a small and very vocal demographic does help give that impression at times though (and I can include myself in the past to have been in this demographic).
However, I WILL say that BTS committee members are public servants...
I personally think that the community should be able to vote to keep committee members in power after priorly-specified periods of time are up. If the community agrees that the committee member has done well at the end of that point, the committee member in question can be given a certain amount of funding as a thank you for remaining trustworthy.
Disagree with the funding part. Committee members need to have a lot at stake so that being a committee member allows them to advance their business and bitshares together. The strongest committees are the ones that band together and form lobbies, think the tavern league. It may not be the prettiest, but it is the most effective.
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Since I'm here I may as well explain the reasons nobody wants this position:
You're basically a politician and have to spend a LOT of time communicating with shareholders to maintain a positive perception (your previous post is a great example of what I mean). That would be fine if you were getting some sort of compensation but committee members are unpaid positions (as they should be). On top of all that, community members here are viciously overly critical. Not only do they expect you to work for free, but you have to work damn hard at that.
Perhaps I'm wrong and being a committee member will be much easier than an unpaid marketing delegate, but I don't think so.
+5%
For now committee seats might be held by individuals, but I think it will eventually be representatives from businesses and eventually representatives from groups of businesses, or institutions. Like we see in bitcoin now with all sorts of alliances, coalitions, foundations etc. Businesses are better suited for the evaluation necessary to be well informed and are by need of profit, properly incentivized.
I would like to see Cryptonomex represented, as well as CCEDK.
Some others I think could make a case, and I'm sure I'm forgetting many,.. perhaps Maker, BeyondBitcoin, Bunker, Lime, BitSaphire, DPoS Hub, Gem, Banx, Identabit, Success Council, FreebieServer, etc.
I'm not saying I support any of these , only that they seem like natural starting points.
I suppose an individual, like Dan, could likely hold a seat for as long as he wanted one. But eventually, most will be businesses.
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good list, I too like xeroc.
Has anyone publicly declared an interest in being on the committee?
+5% +5%
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Thanks for the "invitations" to run a committee member .. I have considered doing for quite some time but will not run for it as long as I have not finished most of my work here ..
I feel that in order to prepare a serious committee seat, alot of preparations and time has to be put into a (long-term) business plan to properly define the fees and earnings of witnesses and workers.
Once the network matures and the dust of initial path finding settles, I will try to run for a committee seat ..
But in the meantime (initial startup bootstrapping), I think the best would be to have a someone "in control of the parameters" that has the knowledge and economical understanding of what goes on short and long-term.
I know, this may sound odd to many of you, but I think we should stand behind Bytemaster and support his decisions for BitShares. He definitely wants BitShares to be way bigger than most of you can even dream of (not an investment advice)
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I would like to see Cryptonomex represented, as well as CCEDK.
The CCEDK people definitely should be represented (if they so wish). I'd love to include the perspective of a blockchain partner, and one whose people are so heavily involved in OpenLedger.