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Title: Best Exchange Website
Post by: bytemaster on November 05, 2015, 05:09:08 pm
Could someone create a poll (preferably on bitcointalk, but also here) that asks people to vote for the best exchange website. 

It would be great to have some real market research regarding which features people like, and which ones they do not.

We will be migrating BitShares GUI to copy as closely as possible the best interface out there.   We will also be copying the best fee system and best market rules.

Everyone seems to like poloniex margin trading, so we will adapt their rules unless Bitfinex is better.    Any help on identifying the best choices let us know.

We are going to stop trying to invent new market mechanics if at all possible and use what is proven to work.   So please help us identify places where our system deviates from the market-accepted solutions.

1.  Fee Systems
2.  Trading Interfaces
3.  Order Matching Rules

In other words, we want people to be able to use BitShares without having to learn anything new!
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: lil_jay890 on November 05, 2015, 05:12:47 pm
We started a conversation about this yesterday... I believe MT4 is the best exchange for traders.  Here is a link to the conversation:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19763.0.html

As far as your other questions:

1. Fee System
-Most brokers trade with 0 fee's but expand the spread
-ECN brokers charge a fee (usually $40 per trade) plus there is a spread

2. Trading interfaces
metatrader 4 is the most accepted
think or swim
ninja trader
bloomberg

3.  Order Matching Rules
-Most broker match orders with their pool of funds, then move the order to the open market only if they don't have the liquidity (this is why they can charge lower fees, they attempt to match within their pool of customers)
-ECN Brokers place the order directly into the interbank market (hence the higher cost)
-Bitshares needs to incorporate stop loss and take profit orders for a 3rd party platform like mt4 to use
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: JonnyB on November 05, 2015, 05:14:58 pm
Theres quite a difference between alt only exchanges and fiat to alt exchanges.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 05, 2015, 05:20:01 pm
I keep telling people that Mintpal was the most successful altcoin exchange not because it had groundbreaking features or support, but because it had the cleanest interface of them all. It's a shame that nobody is using that UI anymore. Poloniex looks nice, but it became successful  because Mintpal disappeared.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140315230829/https://www.mintpal.com/

Here you have the complete front-end. The exchange came into life 1 year after Cryptsy and 1 month after Poloniex and managed to capture both user bases pretty fast.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Akado on November 05, 2015, 05:32:31 pm
Im going to share a friends opinion on this which seems like a curious fact. The exchanges with best interfaces like bitstamp are the ones with most value or are taken as good brands. This is because they seem like a Banks site. It looks clean and smooth, not too much info, only the essential. I Will make the same comparison i Made in the past, see Yahoo and then Google. Then see the differences and why People prefer Google.

Nice, clean, smooth and consistent interface. It helps creating a brand. People willl identify it as a profissional exchange.

I Will check others but ill say Bitstamp for now. Its as simple as it gets.

If you notoce there is a huge difference between main btc exchanges and altcoin exchange.

 +5% +5% +5% on following already proven mechanics. Gives less work and the best is that People already know how to use it. Thats very very important in costumer acquisition. They dont have to waste time learnong, they immediately compare it with other exchanges they have used.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: well.attenuated on November 05, 2015, 05:35:27 pm
A "Best Exchange Poll" already effectively exists and it constantly updated: just look at volume.  People trade at their preferred exchange and "vote" with their dollars and satoshis.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Pheonike on November 05, 2015, 05:36:52 pm

I matching APIs as close as possible is as important as GUI.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Akado on November 05, 2015, 05:38:35 pm
A "Best Exchange Poll" already effectively exists and it constantly updated: just look at volume.  People trade at their preferred exchange and "vote" with their dollars and satoshis.

This would be the case if chinese exchanges wouldnt have 0% fees, which can easily be used to fake volume.  ;)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: puppies on November 05, 2015, 05:45:58 pm

I matching APIs as close as possible is as important as GUI.

very true.  Make it easy to integrate.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: donkeypong on November 05, 2015, 05:52:37 pm
Bytemaster, this is great news. The trader folks have convinced me, over time, that we need to bring in that exchange business. Make our trading experience smooth, with kick ass charts, and we already know it's trustworthy. This is definitely the thread to consider (some good suggestions were made):

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19763.msg253690.html#msg253690
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: carpet ride on November 05, 2015, 06:22:34 pm
Look into Validatley if we want to do product / UI research and development .  I saw their CEO present a couple weeks ago.. They could be an awesome service for us.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: luckybit on November 05, 2015, 06:25:31 pm
I keep telling people that Mintpal was the most successful altcoin exchange not because it had groundbreaking features or support, but because it had the cleanest interface of them all. It's a shame that nobody is using that UI anymore. Poloniex looks nice, but it became successful  because Mintpal disappeared.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140315230829/https://www.mintpal.com/

Here you have the complete front-end. The exchange came into life 1 year after Cryptsy and 1 month after Poloniex and managed to capture both user bases pretty fast.

BTC-E seems to be the most successful, but there are others.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: luckybit on November 05, 2015, 06:27:44 pm
A "Best Exchange Poll" already effectively exists and it constantly updated: just look at volume.  People trade at their preferred exchange and "vote" with their dollars and satoshis.

The interface can be improved to standard but that isn't the issue. The reason certain exchanges got popular was there are certain exclusive assets on them combined with a sufficient interface.

Poloniex isn't the best interface ever, it falls far behind many others, but it's sufficient and it has a lot of coins to trade.

And fees are something only the bots care about usually because when people make a successful trade they dont think about fees.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mike623317 on November 05, 2015, 06:36:46 pm

1. Please have a 'novice' section so non-traders can buy/sell easily at the spot price.
2. Have this work on the iPhone, ideally with an app available in the AppStore
3. As clean and intuitive as possible
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Ander on November 05, 2015, 06:55:39 pm
This post gives me hope about bitshares again!


We will be migrating BitShares GUI to copy as closely as possible the best interface out there.   We will also be copying the best fee system and best market rules.

Copy Poloniex GUI imo.  It is great for trading lots of alts against a main coin.  (Note: We are trading lots of assets against core BTS in Bitshares, so its similar).

For fee rules, the best would probably be  0.2% fee (this is how crypto exchanges work).  But If we cannot do percentage fees, then a flat fee per trade also works, the way that stock brokerages work, for example scottrade $7 trades.  So if it is too technically difficult to do a .2% fee on the blockchain for some reason, a flat fee can work.


It is really, really important that customers dont pay fees for orders that do not execute (aside from a very very small fee purely to prevent spam, that needs to be as low as possible, like .1 BTS).  This needs to be the case for both lifetime members and normal users.  Not everyone is going to be a lifetime member, and we need the liquidity those people provide from creating orders.


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Everyone seems to like poloniex margin trading, so we will adapt their rules unless Bitfinex is better.    Any help on identifying the best choices let us know.

Polo is good, and it appears that it is working really well and has not had a single instance of someone who gets margin called not being able to pay back all of what they owe to lenders.  (Of course, it has had many instances of margin calls taking most of peoples BTC or alts, but that is what "should" happen). 

This algorithm is quite complicated however.  Essentially, every time someone places or removes an order or makes a buy or sell, it then checks whether the resulting state will cause somoene to get margin called, not based on the nominal price that the item just traded at, but at the remaining orderbook!  This is very important because just because some alt is trading at '100' does not mean that someone who got margin called would be able to sell it all at 100 to fulfill their margin.  They need to account for the fact that the margin call is going to dump it down a huge amount through the orders on the book and crash the price.   This leads to the behavior we have seen on polo, which is that at some point a whale will pull a large buy order from below the price, and the lack of that order existing on the books anymore will cause someone to no longer fulfill their margin requirements, so they dump into the now thin order book, and then this causes others to get margin called, etc. 

While this might seem bad, it is the way it has to be in order to work correctly.  After all, we cannot have instances where the blockchain generates tons of extra BTS or an asset type, to cover someone who is gets margin called and cannot pay people back.  If this loophole exists it could be exploitable in some small illiquid asset and be used to generate large amounts of the asset or BTS, and would ruin everything.

Some of the bitcoin exchanges like huobi and okcoin use a system of socialized losses where if a person is margin called and cannot pay, everyone trading futures covers the loss.  This is total BS and we should not do it, every time it happens tons of people flee those exchanges.

Note also:  The margin lending CAN BE THE BOND MARKET.  Go look at the poloniex lending page and see how it works.  IT IS A BOND MARKET right there.  So implementing this feature and the bond market are really one item. 

It is very important that the margin call system works correctly so that lenders ALWAYS get their BTS (or whatever) back in full.  Otherwise the bond market becomes a big risk and no one will trust it.


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We are going to stop trying to invent new market mechanics if at all possible and use what is proven to work.   So please help us identify places where our system deviates from the market-accepted solutions.

1.  Fee Systems
2.  Trading Interfaces
3.  Order Matching Rules

In other words, we want people to be able to use BitShares without having to learn anything new!

Fee system:  The place we deviate is fees for cancelled orders.  These need to be made really really really low, only existing to prevent spam from filling up our TPS.

Trading Interface: Copy poloniex imo.

Order matching rules: You should be able to put in an order for more than the current price, and it will match it to the orders on the books at those prices, and not take the difference as a fee.  (No 'get what you asked for' or whatever).  This is not a good way for the blockchain to try and make money, the blockchain makes money by having happy customers making lots of transactions and paying a fee for each.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: bytemaster on November 05, 2015, 07:03:40 pm
I think the order matching rules are pretty good right now.  It seems to be standard (same as other exchanges).

The margin trading using the current orderbook to determine whether or not to execute sounds like the right way to go.  My question is how does it bootstrap?

If I lend funds to someone when there is no order book, then it is impossible to "call". 
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: topcandle on November 05, 2015, 07:08:10 pm

If I lend funds to someone when there is no order book, then it is impossible to "call".

Maybe for these situations, if not locked up, there is also a expiration date attached to the lending.  So you borrow for X number of days and the person receives it back with interest.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: clayop on November 05, 2015, 07:15:34 pm
For fee rules, the best would probably be  0.2% fee (this is how crypto exchanges work).  But If we cannot do percentage fees, then a flat fee per trade also works, the way that stock brokerages work, for example scottrade $7 trades.  So if it is too technically difficult to do a .2% fee on the blockchain for some reason, a flat fee can work.

We are doing percentage fees. See the asset details -> market fee (That's why I'm arguing trading fee of 10 BTS is "additional")
https://bitshares.openledger.info/#/asset/OPENBTC

It is really, really important that customers dont pay fees for orders that do not execute (aside from a very very small fee purely to prevent spam, that needs to be as low as possible, like .1 BTS).  This needs to be the case for both lifetime members and normal users.  Not everyone is going to be a lifetime member, and we need the liquidity those people provide from creating orders.
Since 80% of paid fees go to referral, I think 0.1 BTS for all is not feasible. Instead, we can decrease the difference by lowing the trading fee to 1 BTS (0.8 BTS for normal member vs. almost 0 BTS for lifetime member. Based on current fee system, it's 8 BTS vs. 0 BTS)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mf-tzo on November 05, 2015, 07:17:22 pm
Clean, simple and professional like bitstamp and the same time having a trader option for advanced graphs and indicators. Integrate margin trading like Polo which is very simple and easy to use. Integrate  some binary options as well and you will have created the best exchange!
Metatrader is very popular for professional traders. The interface should be simple as hell like bitstamp but should have an option to trade with metatrader if one chooses to.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 05, 2015, 07:21:51 pm
I keep telling people that Mintpal was the most successful altcoin exchange not because it had groundbreaking features or support, but because it had the cleanest interface of them all. It's a shame that nobody is using that UI anymore. Poloniex looks nice, but it became successful  because Mintpal disappeared.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140315230829/https://www.mintpal.com/

Here you have the complete front-end. The exchange came into life 1 year after Cryptsy and 1 month after Poloniex and managed to capture both user bases pretty fast.

BTC-E seems to be the most successful, but there are others.

Well, BTC-e was founded in 2011 and it also stopped being an altcoin exchange a long time ago as everyone is focused on BTC/LTC nowadays. BTC-e is to Bitcoin exchanges what Polo was to altcoin exchanges in 2014. Old and lacking of tools for serious trading. It is successful because it was founded many years ago and managed to build a solid user base without having to deal with a lot of competition along the way. With Mintpal, the story was different. A new altcoin platform that became 1st after a few weeks, stealing the clients from all the other exchanges. Reason ? The sleek, simple to use GUI.

LIST OF THE BEST AND WORST CRYPTOCURRENCY EXCHANGES in 2014
http://www.usacryptocoins.com/thecryptocurrencytimes/uncategorized/list-of-the-best-and-worst-cryptocurrency-exchanges/

Too bad i cannot find that screen with the top exchanges sorted by volume. Mintpal had so much volume in early 2014 that it was being compared with Bitstamp and Bitfinex.
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Speaking about MetaTrader, i think it looks absolutely horrendous and its success had to do more with the fact that it was released in 2002-2005 and also that it had a great marketing campaign behind it. I remember that before adblock existed, i was receiving hundreds of pop-ups per day about the MetaTrader platform.
Another reason could be:

Why is MT4 monopolizing the Forex Biz?
http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/why-is-mt4-monopolizing-the-forex-biz.23937/ (http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/why-is-mt4-monopolizing-the-forex-biz.23937/)

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There are some elements that you can take from Bitstamp and implement in graphene, but i'm afraid that "Tradeview" would be the last. It looks great, but it's clunky and it hangs often when you are dealing with great volume.
I agree with copying Poloniex too. Their last UI update made a night-and-day difference.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Ander on November 05, 2015, 07:28:00 pm
I think the order matching rules are pretty good right now.  It seems to be standard (same as other exchanges).

Yes I think this is true.

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The margin trading using the current orderbook to determine whether or not to execute sounds like the right way to go.  My question is how does it bootstrap?

If I lend funds to someone when there is no order book, then it is impossible to "call".

When you start out with an empty orderbook, no margin trading is allowed.  In order to place a margin order in the first place, the system checks to see that the orderbook could handle the new state (where you have a margin position), and checks that you have at least 40% collateral in that new state.  (Thats the amount for polo, 40% to start a position or add to it).  Then, if things go against you, you are allowed to go down to 20% margin before a margin call happens.  While in the 20-40% range, the interface gives you a warning that you are near a margin call and it does not allow you to add to your position, only to reduce it.


I am not sure exactly how the polo system works, but there might be an additional requirement:

If an order on the books would be cancelled, and this cancellation would leave the orderbook with not enough supply remaining, then instead of allowing the order to be cancelled, it instead executes the margin call FIRST, to ensure that the person can pay back what they owe, and then it cancels the rest of the order if needed. 

This is needed because otherwise I could set up the following scenario:


I have an order in to buy a large amount of asset at price 100.  My order is most of the orderbook.
People then took margin positions which were within collateral requirements, based on my order being in the order book.  That is, as long as they can sell into my order, they have sufficient collateral and will be able to pay back the loan.

But then I remove my big order!  There is very little remaining orders on the books, and everyone gets margin called and the system tries to sell into what is left, but they cannot get enough funds from it to pay back the people they owe.  This would be a failure of the system to protect lenders, it would leave the person who got margin called owing a bunch more BTS that they cannot pay, to other people.


Instead, at the point where I try to remove my big order, the system checks that this removal will cause a margin cascade, and instead of pulling the order, it executes the margin cascade into the order.  Then, if some of the order is left unfilled, it is allowed to be pulled.



If you use polo you will know that at times when trading gets crazy and a margin call happens, the system freezes up for a couple seconds.  This occurs because the system is forces to do a bunch of calculations and then execute automatic margin call trades, and then recompute again, and do more margin call trades, etc.    Only once this process is completed are people allowed to trade normally again.


This might be an issue with the blockchain times, witnesses computers needing to process all these calculations in time, etc.  I would imagine that this is a hard technical problem to do on a blockchain.  (It was probably hard enough already for polo to implement flawlessly...and it must be flawless).  So maybe because of this difficulty we are forced to use a simpler system?
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: tonyk on November 05, 2015, 07:31:02 pm
Could someone create a poll (preferably on bitcointalk, but also here) that asks people to vote for the best exchange website. 

It would be great to have some real market research regarding which features people like, and which ones they do not.

We will be migrating BitShares GUI to copy as closely as possible the best interface out there.   We will also be copying the best fee system and best market rules.

Everyone seems to like poloniex margin trading, so we will adapt their rules unless Bitfinex is better.    Any help on identifying the best choices let us know.

We are going to stop trying to invent new market mechanics if at all possible and use what is proven to work.   So please help us identify places where our system deviates from the market-accepted solutions.

1.  Fee Systems
2.  Trading Interfaces
3.  Order Matching Rules

In other words, we want people to be able to use BitShares without having to learn anything new!

So we are giving up on the reinventing new and improved square wheels, already?  :)

Honestly though, this is great to hear! + 1, + 1


I will not give my opinion on what to copy. mainly because I do not really like  the polo site, but most people praise it to no end. So I consider my personal opinions a bit off from the majority, in this area.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Ander on November 05, 2015, 07:36:30 pm
Since 80% of paid fees go to referral, I think 0.1 BTS for all is not feasible. Instead, we can decrease the difference by lowing the trading fee to 1 BTS (0.8 BTS for normal member vs. almost 0 BTS for lifetime member. Based on current fee system, it's 8 BTS vs. 0 BTS)

No, we should keep the trading fee for orders that actually execute higher.  (Or percentage based). 
There is a huge difference between the two.  Some people will place and remove tons of orders and most of them wont execute, for automated trading strategies and such.  We need these people and they provide liquidity and volume of trading.  But they will NOT come to bitshares if they have to pay a fee for cancelling orders, of any amount of real importance. 

Everyone expects to pay some fees when they actually have an order execute, so we can charge a decent amount for that.  But everyone expects to pay NOTHING for a cancelled order, because they pay nothing for it on all sites currently.  We have to get this as close to 0 as possible, and the only reason its not 0 is to prevent spam from eating all our TPS up and allowing an attack on the network for free.

Referrals will still be very awesome when you get 80% of someones trading fees, plus 80% of their small cancelled order fees.  The cancelled order fees should end up being a small portion of the total fees.

Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Ander on November 05, 2015, 07:37:46 pm
I will not give my opinion on what to copy. mainly because I do not really like  the polo site, but most people praise it to no end. So I consider my personal opinions a bit off from the majority, in this area.

What do you not like about polo / like better elsewhere?  Perhaps we could combine multiple UI ideas and make something better.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Ander on November 05, 2015, 07:40:38 pm

1. Please have a 'novice' section so non-traders can buy/sell easily at the spot price.
2. Have this work on the iPhone, ideally with an app available in the AppStore
3. As clean and intuitive as possible

These are important suggestions as well! 
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: luckybit on November 05, 2015, 07:53:46 pm
I keep telling people that Mintpal was the most successful altcoin exchange not because it had groundbreaking features or support, but because it had the cleanest interface of them all. It's a shame that nobody is using that UI anymore. Poloniex looks nice, but it became successful  because Mintpal disappeared.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140315230829/https://www.mintpal.com/

Here you have the complete front-end. The exchange came into life 1 year after Cryptsy and 1 month after Poloniex and managed to capture both user bases pretty fast.

BTC-E seems to be the most successful, but there are others.

Well, BTC-e was founded in 2011 and it also stopped being an altcoin exchange a long time ago as everyone is focused on BTC/LTC nowadays. BTC-e is to Bitcoin exchanges what Polo was to altcoin exchanges in 2014. Old and lacking of tools for serious trading. It is successful because it was founded many years ago and managed to build a solid user base without having to deal with a lot of competition along the way. With Mintpal, the story was different. A new altcoin platform that became 1st after a few weeks, stealing the clients from all the other exchanges. Reason ? The sleek, simple to use GUI.

LIST OF THE BEST AND WORST CRYPTOCURRENCY EXCHANGES in 2014
http://www.usacryptocoins.com/thecryptocurrencytimes/uncategorized/list-of-the-best-and-worst-cryptocurrency-exchanges/

Too bad i cannot find that screen with the top exchanges sorted by volume. Mintpal had so much volume in early 2014 that it was being compared with Bitstamp and Bitfinex.
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Speaking about MetaTrader, i think it looks absolutely horrendous and its success had to do more with the fact that it was released in 2002-2005 and also that it had a great marketing campaign behind it. I remember that before adblock existed, i was receiving hundreds of pop-ups per day about the MetaTrader platform.
Another reason could be:

Why is MT4 monopolizing the Forex Biz?
http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/why-is-mt4-monopolizing-the-forex-biz.23937/ (http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/why-is-mt4-monopolizing-the-forex-biz.23937/)

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There are some elements that you can take from Bitstamp and implement in graphene, but i'm afraid that "Tradeview" would be the last. It looks great, but it's clunky and it hangs often when you are dealing with great volume.
I agree with copying Poloniex too. Their last UI update made a night-and-day difference.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dogemining/comments/1xmddm/cryptsy_autosell_how_does_it_work/

Cryptsy was pretty good. One reason is miners could automatically have their mined funds deposit and sell. Copy that feature from Cryptsy at least.

I don't think any exchange should be copied 100%. Take the best features from each exchange and use science to figure out what those features are.

Bytemaster, try apply the design for experiments approach. DOE will allow you to figure out exactly the best features and cut away the rest. This requires a lot of feedback so maybe allow for feedback to be given directly from the interface itself so participants can make notes for developers.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Ander on November 05, 2015, 07:58:10 pm
Yes lets get away from trying to reinvent everything, and instead try to take what is already proven to work, and adapt it into the blockchain.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: luckybit on November 05, 2015, 07:59:08 pm
Minebitshares and other miners can use the autosell feature. It's a very useful feature.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: luckybit on November 05, 2015, 08:00:32 pm
Yes lets get away from trying to reinvent everything, and instead try to take what is already proven to work, and adapt it into the blockchain.

But you don't want an exact clone. You start with a template based on whatever is the best out there but you have to add your own magic to it. If it's exact clone they'll use the original.

They all have strengths and weaknesses. Autosell for example is a strong feature, very popular.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Akado on November 05, 2015, 08:03:14 pm
This pool should be done on Bitcointalk where we can get more people's opinions, specially from outsiders since we also want to attract new users. It will not be of much use here on our forums. Maybe even on reddit.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: tonyk on November 05, 2015, 08:03:49 pm
I think the order matching rules are pretty good right now.  It seems to be standard (same as other exchanges).

The margin trading using the current orderbook to determine whether or not to execute sounds like the right way to go.  My question is how does it bootstrap?

If I lend funds to someone when there is no order book, then it is impossible to "call".
1.You cannot use polo-like call rules in a thin market. Which means the shorts must be called in relation to the feed

2.polo only puts  coins for margin trading if they have  solid order books for a period of time. - we can kind off copy that for the margined positions

3. Be very careful with the lending thing - you do not want to favour heavily the lending compared to shorting, as there is a chance if you do to dry up the shorters...i.e. move all of them to lending/borowing.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: fav on November 05, 2015, 08:04:46 pm
Yes lets get away from trying to reinvent everything, and instead try to take what is already proven to work, and adapt it into the blockchain.

But you don't want an exact clone. You start with a template based on whatever is the best out there but you have to add your own magic to it. If it's exact clone they'll use the original.

They all have strengths and weaknesses. Autosell for example is a strong feature, very popular.

I don't know how much work it is, but couldn't they just offer several skins to meet everyone's taste?
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: tonyk on November 05, 2015, 08:14:13 pm
I will not give my opinion on what to copy. mainly because I do not really like  the polo site, but most people praise it to no end. So I consider my personal opinions a bit off from the majority, in this area.

What do you not like about polo / like better elsewhere?  Perhaps we could combine multiple UI ideas and make something better.

I cannot see the orderbook and the graph or last sales at the same time...it takes scrawling. Maybe my small 15' screen is the issue.

(http://i.imgur.com/dwXhcIl.png)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: JA on November 05, 2015, 08:14:46 pm
Yes lets get away from trying to reinvent everything, and instead try to take what is already proven to work, and adapt it into the blockchain.

But you don't want an exact clone. You start with a template based on whatever is the best out there but you have to add your own magic to it. If it's exact clone they'll use the original.

They all have strengths and weaknesses. Autosell for example is a strong feature, very popular.

I don't know how much work it is, but couldn't they just offer several skins to meet everyone's taste?
Allow custom css scripts per link with hash checking.

for example here is a link for a poloniex theme (which is not perfect but close  :)) https://beyondbitcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/polographiene.css

I currently use it with stylish (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylish/fjnbnpbmkenffdnngjfgmeleoegfcffe?hl=de) on openledger.

(http://i.imgur.com/iLupmnZ.png)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: CLains on November 05, 2015, 08:15:15 pm
Yes. Copy what you can! There is enough to do in this world  +5%
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Akado on November 05, 2015, 08:23:56 pm
I will not give my opinion on what to copy. mainly because I do not really like  the polo site, but most people praise it to no end. So I consider my personal opinions a bit off from the majority, in this area.

What do you not like about polo / like better elsewhere?  Perhaps we could combine multiple UI ideas and make something better.

I cannot see the orderbook and the graph or last sales at the same time...it takes scrawling. Maybe my small 15' screen is the issue.


I've also heard more people complain about the fact they need to be constantly scrolling through the page. That seems like an issue.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: topcandle on November 05, 2015, 08:31:00 pm

3. Be very careful with the lending thing - you do not want to favour heavily the lending compared to shorting, as there is a chance if you do to dry up the shorters...i.e. move all of them to lending/borowing.

But wouldn't lending attract more shorters?  Or at least those who are willing to risk more to short?  And therefore provide more liquidity to a thin market...
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: tonyk on November 05, 2015, 08:37:00 pm

3. Be very careful with the lending thing - you do not want to favour heavily the lending compared to shorting, as there is a chance if you do to dry up the shorters...i.e. move all of them to lending/borowing.

But wouldn't lending attract more shorters?  Or at least those who are willing to risk more to short?
in my mind they should offer substantially different things.so they serve different needs or risk profiles.

[edit] one having interest the other not having it is a good start btw.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Brekyrself on November 05, 2015, 08:37:29 pm
We should also be looking at professional trading interfaces and fee's.

https://www.scottrade.com/online-trading/trading-website.html
https://www.scottrade.com/online-brokerage/trading-fees-commissions.html#tab0

https://us.etrade.com/investing-trading/platforms-tools/online-trading?ploc=it-nav
https://us.etrade.com/investing-trading/platforms-tools/etrade-pro?ploc=it-nav
https://us.etrade.com/active-trading/pricing

http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/active_trader/trading_tools/trading_software
http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/active_trader/pricing

https://www.tdameritrade.com/tools-and-platforms.page
https://www.tdameritrade.com/pricing.page
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Ander on November 05, 2015, 10:51:30 pm
I will not give my opinion on what to copy. mainly because I do not really like  the polo site, but most people praise it to no end. So I consider my personal opinions a bit off from the majority, in this area.

What do you not like about polo / like better elsewhere?  Perhaps we could combine multiple UI ideas and make something better.

I cannot see the orderbook and the graph or last sales at the same time...it takes scrawling. Maybe my small 15' screen is the issue.


I've also heard more people complain about the fact they need to be constantly scrolling through the page. That seems like an issue.

This is true.

Okay, so what we want to do is copy polo, but make it so we need to do less scrolling.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Akado on November 05, 2015, 11:12:40 pm
Okay, so what we want to do is copy polo, but make it so we need to do less scrolling.

Not necessarily Polo, at least imo. I agree that it's fine and user friendly. But if we can choose others we should take them into consideration. We should make a pool on bitcointalk and see what most people prefer. We want to attract new users.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: puppies on November 05, 2015, 11:13:45 pm
Jabbajabbas colors are better than the default.  Add a 24 hour change and 24 hour high low to the chart, and maybe some grid lines.  add the ability to change time frame on the chart, and make the candles get fatter or skinnier so that there is less space between them and they are easier to see. 

On the right side move the other assets above the last price.  sort them by volume, with a scrollbar and a searchbar.  Fix the assets so that price, volume, and 24 hour change pop out to people. 

maybe have a popup warning when you select a uia that this asset is not guaranteed by the bitshares network, but is backed by its creator.  With the ability to turn future warning for that asset off.

Those are the only things I can think of that I would change.  I think anyone that has traded on any alt exchanges could use our wallet right now just fine.  I think the minor tweaks I posted above would make it better than polos layout.

That is of course in addition to the needed changes in fees.  Low or no price for cancelled orders, and preferably percentage based for matched orders. 
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Ander on November 05, 2015, 11:17:03 pm
I like all of puppies ideas.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Louis on November 06, 2015, 12:01:07 am
I suggest changing the black background,  or give the user the option to switch to a white or lighter color background.

According to a study made, 50% of the population suffers from astigmatism which makes reading light letters on dark backgrounds hard on their eyes.

http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/15142/which-is-easier-on-the-eyes-dark-on-light-or-light-on-dark (http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/15142/which-is-easier-on-the-eyes-dark-on-light-or-light-on-dark)



Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Ander on November 06, 2015, 12:04:56 am
I suggest changing the black background,  or give the user the option to switch to a white or lighter color background.

According to a study made, 50% of the population suffers from astigmatism which makes reading light letters on dark backgrounds hard on their eyes.

http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/15142/which-is-easier-on-the-eyes-dark-on-light-or-light-on-dark (http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/15142/which-is-easier-on-the-eyes-dark-on-light-or-light-on-dark)

We should have night mode and day mode imo, like polo.  I love night mode.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Louis on November 06, 2015, 12:13:38 am
I suggest changing the black background,  or give the user the option to switch to a white or lighter color background.

According to a study made, 50% of the population suffers from astigmatism which makes reading light letters on dark backgrounds hard on their eyes.

http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/15142/which-is-easier-on-the-eyes-dark-on-light-or-light-on-dark (http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/15142/which-is-easier-on-the-eyes-dark-on-light-or-light-on-dark)

We should have night mode and day mode imo, like polo.  I love night mode.

I also like night mode, but my gramma thinks it's too hard too read  :P
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: GaltReport on November 06, 2015, 12:40:54 am
I suggest changing the black background,  or give the user the option to switch to a white or lighter color background.

According to a study made, 50% of the population suffers from astigmatism which makes reading light letters on dark backgrounds hard on their eyes.

http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/15142/which-is-easier-on-the-eyes-dark-on-light-or-light-on-dark (http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/15142/which-is-easier-on-the-eyes-dark-on-light-or-light-on-dark)

 +5% - Thank You.  I thought it was just cause I am old(er)...  I can't stand dark background.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: EstefanTT on November 06, 2015, 02:43:19 am
There is good and bad in every UI. If we create a poll to know which one is better, we will copy the bad things.

I think, the professional and semi professional traders of this forum should create a serius thread to list all the important features an UI needs.

Afterwards, we create a poll at BCT with multi vote on this very same list and we'll know which features are important for traders.

After having the important features we create another poll to have an idea of wich kind of display of these features are the best : Polo, MT4, FXCM, ...

Once it's done, we ask in a thread wich are the best and worst things in the best 2 or 3 best trading plateform winning the poll.

With all that info, there will be more interrogation on what to do, we'll know which display(s) to copy avoiding its flaws and which features to implement.







Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: theredpill on November 06, 2015, 02:44:45 am
I like all of puppies ideas.
I like all puppies ideas too.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mike623317 on November 06, 2015, 03:02:54 am
I like bitstamp. I really like their interface. It clean, easy to understand and easy to use.
It just works on my iphone. In IE. In firefox. and in Safari.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Pheonike on November 06, 2015, 03:46:39 am
I don't see why we have to choose. I think our killer feature is letting ppl choose the skin/interface they want. We should offer at start 3 interfaces and allow ppl to choose. This alone would really set us apart.

"Trade how you like only on Bitshares"
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: puppies on November 06, 2015, 04:30:07 am
I don't see why we have to choose. I think our killer feature is letting ppl choose the skin/interface they want. We should offer at start 3 interfaces and allow ppl to choose. This alone would really set us apart.

"Trade how you like only on Bitshares"

100% agree.

We should definitely have a full featured metatrader like interface, and a simple mobile wallet for transfers.  At this point we need to get the wallet to good enough which it is almost at.  And fix the fee structure.  We need to include the fee in all market orders, so you don't have to try to figure out what the fee is gonna be before you make the trade.  Just buy that much less. 
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: tbone on November 06, 2015, 08:51:15 am
I agree with Ander and others who say we should take the better elements of some of the trading platforms out there.  As far as exchanges go, I really don't think we need to look much further than Poloniex and Bitstamp.   As for non-exchange trading sites, BitcoinWisdom and Cryptowatch would be good to look at. 

Below are pros and cons for each of these UIs as well as for the Bitshares trading UI.  Overall, aside from more liquidity, I believe we need to have a good, solid, trading UI that at least matches every other crypto exchange out there, and is easy to use and navigate.  We shouldn't expect to have all the bells and whistles of an mt4, certainly not at this stage of the game.  Besides, once Bitshares is more widely used, I'm sure mt4 will add support for the Bitshares API, or another 3rd party will offer something similar to mt4. 


Poloniex (link (https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bts))
pros:
o comprehensive dashboard (all necessary trade UI elements on one page)
o watchlist
    - view last price, 24hr change, 24hr volume   
    - manage favorite markets
    - easily switch between markets right on exchange page
o order book includes columns for running totals of both sides of a pair (e.g. BTC and BTS)
o decent charts
  - nice, clean design and smooth operation
  - chart period choices are all visible, making it easier to switch between them
  - does have indicators, but only a few
o clicking on order book populates price and cumulative number of shares/coins on order book up to clicked price
o night/day mode
o nice overall look and feel

cons:
o poorly laid out - requires scrolling
o horizontal order book should have bid/ask directly next to each other (see Bitstamp)


Bitstamp (link (https://www.bitstamp.net/market/tradeview/))
pros:
o fits all elements on screen (including depth chart) with no scrolling
o horizontal order book has bid/ask directly next to each other
o chart has drawing and fairly extensive set of indicators
o has trade size indicator bars in order book and trade history

cons:
o order book - only about 10 or 11 rows visible
o chart studies and drawing tools NOT very user friendly


BitcoinWisdom (link (https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd))
pros:
o great looking but simple charts with:
   -  many indicators
   -  4 drawing tools
   -  chart period choices are all visible, making it easier to switch between them
o order book prominently displays last price between the bids and asks
o has alarms you can set at certain price levels

cons:
o order book:
   - doesn't display enough information
   - only displays 13 rows deep on each side
 o only shows 13 most recent trades (can scroll, but it would be better to see a few more trades at once)


Cryptowat.ch (link (https://cryptowat.ch/poloniex/btsbtc))
similar to BitcoinWisdom but:
o charts have substantially more indicators and drawing tools than BitcoinWisdom
o has depth chart (always visible)
o only shows the last 5 trades in the history
o has more comprehensive alarm/alert management



If one combined the best features from above, they'd have a really decent crypto trading platform.  Actually, we're really not far off, and we even have some superior features over the existing crypto exchanges.  We just need to fix a few things and add a few others (e.g. add "day mode").  I think it would also be very helpful to create a very simple (non-trader) UI to purchase an asset.  It should have 3 inputs: 1) asset to purchase. 2) quantity desired, 3) funds to use for purchase (Coinbase offers this). 

Bitshares DEX
pros:
o has vertical and horizontal order book options
o displays everything on screen without need for scrolling (except with optional horizontal order book)
o displays more rows in order book than Bitstamp, BitcoinWisdom, and Cryptowatch
o displays more rows in recent trades than BitcoinWisdom and Cryptowatch
o grays out leading zeros, highlights the important remaining digits (this is superior to the others)
o lists favorite markets so user can switch between their views
o clicking on order book populates order form with price and cumulative number of shares/coins on order book up to clicked price (not all exchanges get this right e.g. Bittrex)

cons:
o horizontal order book should have bid/ask directly next to each other (see Bitstamp)
o must scroll when using horizonatal order book
o display of last price displayed between bid/ask of vertical order book too verbose. 
       label and units are unnecessary here  (see BitcoinWisdom and Cryptowatch)
o chart has all kinds of issues:
    -  crosshair is very buggy  (see all 4 others)
    -  chart period choices not visible making it more difficult to switch between them (see BitcoinWisdom)
    -  when expanding chart period choices, they interfere with the VOHLC values  (see BitcoinWisdom)
    -  width of bars doesn't change as you zoom in/out with zoom slider (see all 4 others)
    -  no drawing tools or indicators
o  favorite markets:  (see Poloniex)
   -  on trading page, markets need to display (last price, 24hr change, 24hr volume)
   -  rows spaced too far apart on both trade page and favorite markets management page 
   -  favorites management is barely usable   
o  needs "day mode" to complement existing "night mode"  (see Poloniex)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: jakub on November 06, 2015, 09:11:35 am
@tbone, excellent analysis
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: monsterer on November 06, 2015, 09:40:18 am
I think the order matching rules are pretty good right now.  It seems to be standard (same as other exchanges).

The standard spot orders are matched correctly. What confuses people is the short order covers and SQPs and everything else which goes along with that design.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: tbone on November 06, 2015, 09:48:47 am
@tbone, excellent analysis

Thanks, Jakub.  I'm confident that we can have a very presentable trading UI without a whole lot of additional development time.  Perhaps the most difficult part will be to get the chart in order, especially if we really want to have chart indicators and drawing tools.  Although I would personally be fine with leaving drawing and indicators out for now.   
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: liondani on November 06, 2015, 12:46:51 pm
A "Best Exchange Poll" already effectively exists and it constantly updated: just look at volume.  People trade at their preferred exchange and "vote" with their dollars and satoshis.

That is really a good (maybe optimal) metric!

PS metatrader4 is sure on top of the list...
      I would say the best combination is metatrader4  + polo-like web gui
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: bytemaster on November 06, 2015, 05:45:21 pm
@tbone, excellent analysis

Thanks, Jakub.  I'm confident that we can have a very presentable trading UI without a whole lot of additional development time.  Perhaps the most difficult part will be to get the chart in order, especially if we really want to have chart indicators and drawing tools.  Although I would personally be fine with leaving drawing and indicators out for now.

+5   That is a very useful post.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: clayop on November 06, 2015, 05:50:41 pm
@tbone Your opinion is always invaluable!
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Tuck Fheman on November 06, 2015, 05:54:22 pm
BitcoinWisdom (link (https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd))

I prefer cryptrader.com, didn't see it listed.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Method-X on November 06, 2015, 08:58:25 pm
This is encouraging. I guess I'm back to only having 90% given up on this project.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mike623317 on November 07, 2015, 05:46:53 am

I think we should be very specific about what we will be asking Cryptonomics to deliver otherwise we could end up with something that isnt perceived as finished/polished to everyones needs and reinforce Adam B Levin's perception that "bitshares is in a perpetual state of being 80% complete".

Tbone has already done a fantastic side by side comparison but in addition to that i would like to add the following points:

1. The site should have a clean login page with the following features:
a. New to Bitshares? = Click here to go a separate page that tells you briefly what it is like im 5 years old. Bitshares is complicated, people are going to have questions from the get-go.
b. Sign In  and Sign Up for existing and new users
c. Help that's comprehensive
d. Products - The Exchange, Developer Platform and Merchant Resources

2. It just works - For example, Coinbase.com works on my IPAD, Iphone, IE, Chrome and Firefox at home or from work without any issue or adjustment. They also have a well thought out Iphone App that works.

3. For us non-traders. -  bitUSD or bitCYN or BitGold - https://metaexchange.info/markets/BTS/BTC. This page couldnt be easier to use or to understand.

4. Coinbase have a section for developers - https://developers.coinbase.com.
Wallet API
Merchant API
Exchange API
Blockchain API
Support section

If we're going to challenge somone like coinbase then we need to make sure that the site is as professional, well thought-out and easy to use as they do. They have all the above together with fiat on and off ramps.

Above all, lets get it right and 100% finished.

Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: jsidhu on November 07, 2015, 09:02:59 am
We started a conversation about this yesterday... I believe MT4 is the best exchange for traders.  Here is a link to the conversation:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19763.0.html

As far as your other questions:

1. Fee System
-Most brokers trade with 0 fee's but expand the spread
-ECN brokers charge a fee (usually $40 per trade) plus there is a spread

2. Trading interfaces
metatrader 4 is the most accepted
think or swim
ninja trader
bloomberg

3.  Order Matching Rules
-Most broker match orders with their pool of funds, then move the order to the open market only if they don't have the liquidity (this is why they can charge lower fees, they attempt to match within their pool of customers)
-ECN Brokers place the order directly into the interbank market (hence the higher cost)
-Bitshares needs to incorporate stop loss and take profit orders for a 3rd party platform like mt4 to use
$40 per trade? Maybe if your trading a standard lot (10 million). We dont do the same leverage on bts so this number scales down.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: liondani on November 07, 2015, 12:03:48 pm
Can we take a lesson from this video?
(some point's we must focus...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-_HweZUGS4
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Chris4210 on November 07, 2015, 01:49:08 pm
This is great initiative. I think we can take already existing HTML5 codes from https://www.tradingview.com/features/ already and feed the charts with BitShares DEX data.

https://www.coinigy.com/ is a good example of an multi exchange interface for Bitcoins. You might noticed that they use tradingview.com charts.  They integrate all big BTC Exchanges in one interface and allow you to trade and monitor your balances. They are also developing arbitrage bots and a simultaneously trading bot for different exchanges. Than means you can buy and Sell BTC at the same time with one simple click on two different exchanges. This makes arbitrage trading very easy.

A Chatbox / Trollbox is mandatory to bring in people and to keep them in a trading community.

http://protrader.com/platform/desktop offers additional features and designs.

I think at the end we just need a simple interface to attract the first group of traders. Polo´s interface would be a good start. However i think it would be more important to offer a simple API connection so that other platforms like MT4, Protrader.com, coinigy.com, etc can link and tap into our markets easier. Let the trader decide which interface they want to use for their trading. 


Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: lil_jay890 on November 07, 2015, 03:08:41 pm
This is great initiative. I think we can take already existing HTML5 codes from https://www.tradingview.com/features/ already and feed the charts with BitShares DEX data.

https://www.coinigy.com/ is a good example of an multi exchange interface for Bitcoins. You might noticed that they use tradingview.com charts.  They integrate all big BTC Exchanges in one interface and allow you to trade and monitor your balances. They are also developing arbitrage bots and a simultaneously trading bot for different exchanges. Than means you can buy and Sell BTC at the same time with one simple click on two different exchanges. This makes arbitrage trading very easy.

A Chatbox / Trollbox is mandatory to bring in people and to keep them in a trading community.

http://protrader.com/platform/desktop offers additional features and designs.

I think at the end we just need a simple interface to attract the first group of traders. Polo´s interface would be a good start. However i think it would be more important to offer a simple API connection so that other platforms like MT4, Protrader.com, coinigy.com, etc can link and tap into our markets easier. Let the trader decide which interface they want to use for their trading.

Yep... watch bitshares explode if we do this.  It doesn't seem like a long term project either.  It's amazing how this topic really took off in the last 3 days, and we are starting to realize very specific goals that need to be achieved instead of just floating around from one topic to the next.

If we can find a few liquidity providers (forward thinking banks) to go along with these new interfaces... start looking for your favorite island to buy.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: thera on November 07, 2015, 07:54:15 pm
A "Best Exchange Poll" already effectively exists and it constantly updated: just look at volume.  People trade at their preferred exchange and "vote" with their dollars and satoshis.

That is really a good (maybe optimal) metric!

PS metatrader4 is sure on top of the list...
      I would say the best combination is metatrader4  + polo-like web gui

 +5% +5%
Hi, this is my first post though I've been following bitshares for a while now. It would be ideal to have a great decentralized exchange for decentralized currencies(and more, of course).

Here is an informative link to bitcoin trading volume I recently saw. You can change the currency to reflect the market you want to see. It looks like Bitfinex is most popular in USD, OKcoin for CNY, and Kraken for EUR and there's more though I'm not sure why Polo isn't included.. maybe this is more for bitcoin rather than alts, though I think for ease of use Polo and Finex are similar. Here's USD trading volume:


http://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/30d/USD?c=e&t=a


The average US crypto twitter trader, at least, seems to like Finex for very seamless and easy margin trading as bull/bear(long/short) are just two sides of the same coin, so to speak, and naturally go together. Also, OKcoin seems popular for more serious traders because it has Futures. Bitcoinwisdom is excellent for crypto charts/tools, and Tradingview for trading charts in general, not just crypto. Coinigy also seems to be great for cross-exchange trading as Chris4210X describes, though it's newer. Access to tools(metatrader4, protrader) for pro-traders seems like a great idea as well.

I also like puppies' and tbone's ideas as well as the app and trollbox suggestion to help grow the community. I found a Finex app for iPhone the other day but didn't download it because I'd prefer if it were made by the exchange creators..

Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: MJK on November 07, 2015, 10:17:40 pm
We will be migrating BitShares GUI to copy as closely as possible the best interface out there.   We will also be copying the best fee system and best market rules.

The worker proposal that Cryptonomics are writing should be very specific regarding will be delivered. Personally, i would like to the see some discussion and a poll or two to determine the specifics. The reason being, the best GUI is very subjective and so we know whichever we choose some will love it others will hate it. However, a consensus can be achieved with some discussion and some votes.

The other point is that I want it to be specific about what you will deliver. We hear this perception that the GUIis not user friendly (similar thing with 1.0).  Its been less than a month since 2.0 and so i feel we have to get this right- in terms of design, in terms of quality of build etc.

In short, i think its the right thing to do but we have to get it working 100%, not close to. We have a kick-ass backend and i really want us to get the same for the front end. If that means bringing in some outside help, so be it. It doesn't matter. The important thing is it works on a PC,MAC, iphone, IPAD etc with all the features people are asking for.

My 2 bts.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 07, 2015, 10:22:41 pm
Ok, guys, i've spent my entire day visualizing and painting how the "Graphene Exchange" should look like.

Here's my mockup:

(http://i.imgur.com/tW9qLXl.png)


1 - The "MARKETS" sidebar was taken from the now defunct Mintpal and redesigned for this theme
2 - The Chart was taken from TradingView and adapted for Graphene
3 - The "CHAT BOX" was copied from Poloniex. I have another version with the white TROLLBOX
4 - The "LAST TRADES" panel was taken from Bitstamp.

Regarding this design, there still more polishing to do, but i will deal with that later. (volume/lowest/highest/last price, open orders)

My idea now is to create a new thread called "Graphene - The battle of the mockups" or something along the line where everyone posts his designs. Something less focused on analysis and more on the visual aspect. This thread for analysis, the other one for mockups.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: clayop on November 07, 2015, 10:28:13 pm
Ok, guys, i've spent my entire day visualizing and painting how the "Graphene Exchange" should look like.

Here's my mockup:

(http://i.imgur.com/tW9qLXl.png)


1 - The "MARKETS" sidebar was taken from the now defunct Mintpal and redesigned for this theme
2 - The Chart was taken from TradingView and adapted for Graphene
3 - The "CHAT BOX" was copied from Poloniex. I have another version with the white TROLLBOX
4 - The "LAST TRADES" panel was taken from Bitstamp.

Regarding this design, there still more polishing to do, but i will deal with that later.

My idea now is to create a new thread called "Graphene - The battle of the mockups" or something along the line where everyone posts his designs. Something less focused on analysis and more on the visual aspect. This thread for analysis, the other one for mockups.
+5%
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Akado on November 07, 2015, 11:12:47 pm
Ok, guys, i've spent my entire day visualizing and painting how the "Graphene Exchange" should look like.

Here's my mockup:

1 - The "MARKETS" sidebar was taken from the now defunct Mintpal and redesigned for this theme
2 - The Chart was taken from TradingView and adapted for Graphene
3 - The "CHAT BOX" was copied from Poloniex. I have another version with the white TROLLBOX
4 - The "LAST TRADES" panel was taken from Bitstamp.

Regarding this design, there still more polishing to do, but i will deal with that later.

My idea now is to create a new thread called "Graphene - The battle of the mockups" or something along the line where everyone posts his designs. Something less focused on analysis and more on the visual aspect. This thread for analysis, the other one for mockups.
+5%
+5% +5%
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: liondani on November 07, 2015, 11:20:08 pm
https://www.spotware.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoAf37Y0BIo
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: liondani on November 07, 2015, 11:25:51 pm
Here is a great list with the best trading platforms...
See which have the most votes, scores etc. (+reviews)

http://www.myfxbook.com/reviews/trading-platforms/19,1

cTrader @ metatrader 4 @ fxTrade are on top...
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: liondani on November 07, 2015, 11:40:00 pm
And that's the reason why all trader's will come to us when we have aneasy to use trading platform ready !!!

https://youtu.be/_RSih-uqKU0
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 08, 2015, 12:40:24 am
Added the "Open Orders" panel at the bottom (Inspired by Poloniex)

(http://i.imgur.com/tDHBNrA.png)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Louis on November 08, 2015, 01:34:56 am
Added the "Open Orders" panel at the bottom (Inspired by Poloniex)

(http://i.imgur.com/tDHBNrA.png)
Looks great  +5%

If you have space add the missing title headings for: Trade History, Buy Order, Sell Order and My Open Orders (Like you have it for Markets and ChatBox)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Method-X on November 08, 2015, 01:51:28 am
Ok, guys, i've spent my entire day visualizing and painting how the "Graphene Exchange" should look like.

Here's my mockup:

(http://i.imgur.com/tW9qLXl.png)


1 - The "MARKETS" sidebar was taken from the now defunct Mintpal and redesigned for this theme
2 - The Chart was taken from TradingView and adapted for Graphene
3 - The "CHAT BOX" was copied from Poloniex. I have another version with the white TROLLBOX
4 - The "LAST TRADES" panel was taken from Bitstamp.

Regarding this design, there still more polishing to do, but i will deal with that later. (volume/lowest/highest/last price, open orders)

My idea now is to create a new thread called "Graphene - The battle of the mockups" or something along the line where everyone posts his designs. Something less focused on analysis and more on the visual aspect. This thread for analysis, the other one for mockups.

Wow, this design looks incredible!
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mike623317 on November 08, 2015, 03:02:27 am
Added the "Open Orders" panel at the bottom (Inspired by Poloniex)

(http://i.imgur.com/tDHBNrA.png)

Consider including a new tab or collapsible section for the average joe to purchase. I agree with others that metaexchange do it well.

See : https://metaexchange.info/markets/BTS/BTC
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: puppies on November 08, 2015, 05:47:03 am
Added the "Open Orders" panel at the bottom (Inspired by Poloniex)

(http://i.imgur.com/tDHBNrA.png)

I like it a lot.  I'd like to see volume in the markets tab.  Move the buy and sell order books closer together, and a 24 hour change % and high low towards the top of the chart. 

Add a day time mode and we have a winner.

In regards to the trollbox.  Our issue has been having a secure means of accomplishing it.  we don't want to allow third party code into the wallet that could steal your private keys.  There were some really good ideas about using on blockchain messaging.  The issue was what fee do you charge to prevent spam.  With BM talking about reducing fees and using rate limiting, couldn't we do something like that for the trollbox?  I see three things needed to win the decentralized trollbox awards.

1) rate limiting per account.  Perhaps 1 message per minute for standard accounts and 1 message every 20 seconds for lifetime members.

2) Automatic pruning of all message portions of the blockchain after a short amount of time.  We don't need a permanent record of who said what when.  We should be able to safely delete all trollbox chatter from blocks over a certain age.

3) Ignore feature to turn off those annoying bastards that do stupid things like set up a bot to message the same thing every minute.  Make ignoring easy, and allow everyone to be their own mod.

Could that work?
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: clayop on November 08, 2015, 05:49:48 am
@ValentinJesse
A Korean community member points out that the background is too bright (also the current wallet is also slightly light @cass ).
Can you research the standard (e.g. a black color used in forex program) and applied it to our wallet?
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: clayop on November 08, 2015, 07:37:25 am
I asked additional advanced feature on Github. (https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues/466)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: fav on November 08, 2015, 08:29:19 am
Ok, guys, i've spent my entire day visualizing and painting how the "Graphene Exchange" should look like.

Here's my mockup:

(http://i.imgur.com/tW9qLXl.png)


1 - The "MARKETS" sidebar was taken from the now defunct Mintpal and redesigned for this theme
2 - The Chart was taken from TradingView and adapted for Graphene
3 - The "CHAT BOX" was copied from Poloniex. I have another version with the white TROLLBOX
4 - The "LAST TRADES" panel was taken from Bitstamp.

Regarding this design, there still more polishing to do, but i will deal with that later. (volume/lowest/highest/last price, open orders)

My idea now is to create a new thread called "Graphene - The battle of the mockups" or something along the line where everyone posts his designs. Something less focused on analysis and more on the visual aspect. This thread for analysis, the other one for mockups.

Wow, this design looks incredible!

We need this asapasap.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: liondani on November 08, 2015, 09:17:58 am
 +5% +5% +5%

@ValentinJesse

it seems you are on the right direction  ;)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: vegolino on November 08, 2015, 12:13:14 pm
Added the "Open Orders" panel at the bottom (Inspired by Poloniex)

(http://i.imgur.com/tDHBNrA.png)
  +5%
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: lil_jay890 on November 08, 2015, 01:44:55 pm
How long would the above take to create?  Hopefully it could be done simultaneously with improving the api for 3rd party platforms. Could someone like val and svk work on this, while bm and theoretical work on api stuff or does everyone need to focus on the same thing?
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 08, 2015, 02:39:50 pm
Thanks for the feedback, guys. With this mockup i just wanted to show the developers of Graphene that you don't need to reinvent the wheel. This exchange that i visualized was inspired by the now defunct Mintpal, Bitstamp, TradingView, Poloniex and OpenLedger. There are plenty of exchanges from which you can take different elements and combine them. Other notable examples are: CEX.io (looks great almost everywhere), Kraken (i like the depth chart), Bittrex (I like that the landing page contains vital information), Coinbase https://exchange.coinbase.com/trade?product_id=BTC-USD& (https://exchange.coinbase.com/trade?product_id=BTC-USD&) etc.

I see that some are asking for tabs, day mode and other implementations. Unfortunately, my current job is pretty demanding so i had to make this as fast as i could. I did this by modifying the websites via chrome's console + screenshots + photoshop, so there's not plenty of room for manipulation. I need a lot of time. Will see what i can do about it.

Anyways, i will keep on offering my ideas to the bitshares community and see if they will stick  :). Until now i was more active in the "Bitshares" telegram group chat because of the faster pace, but i'm planning on providing info on the forum too.

@clayop, @cass  - Heh, the reason why i chose this theme was because i always disliked the common black one. I am getting tired pretty fast on a black theme as it does nothing but to exaggerate the white/green/red text and sting my eyes in a longer session. I will try to make one, though.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: clayop on November 08, 2015, 04:09:31 pm
@ValentinJesse Here's another example: https://tradeblock.com/markets/bfnx/xbt-usd/2h/

I prefer hollow candle when the background is dark, as like Coinbase. What do you think?
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 08, 2015, 04:51:46 pm
@clayop Yes, tradeblock's chart looks good and i like that it offers advanced tools for trading. It's snappy too.

The one thing that i dislike about most of the charts, though, is that the info for each candle is located somewhere at the top, taking your attention away and confusing you. When it was first released, Coinigy used a very fluid chart that also provided panels with info above each candle at hovering. Unfortunately, they've replaced it.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: theredpill on November 08, 2015, 05:33:14 pm
Thank you Valentin
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Xeldal on November 08, 2015, 05:35:03 pm
@clayop Yes, tradeblock's chart looks good and i like that it offers advanced tools for trading. It's snappy too.

The one thing that i dislike about most of the charts, though, is that the info for each candle is located somewhere at the top, taking your attention away and confusing you. When it was first released, Coinigy used a very fluid chart that also provided panels with info above each candle at hovering. Unfortunately, they've replaced it.

Personally I can't stand those pop-ups, they are always blocking the chart, always in the way.  I much prefer having the candle info out of the way at the top.  IMO nothing should ever block the view of the chart.

Yunbi charts are a good example of how to drive me absolutely bonkers.  The popups render the chart mostly unusable. 
https://yunbi.com/markets/btscny
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 08, 2015, 06:44:49 pm
@Xeldal

Haha! i like them. The only problem is that Yunbi displays the data in the pop-ups in a horrible format. They should cut the "Open""Close""High""Low""Volume" (and the random MACD/HIST garbage below completely) and just replace with "O, C, H, L, V" and display the list vertically. This way the pop-up should be small enough to fit right above or below the candle you are hovering on.

For example:

From this: (http://i.imgur.com/NHSWTym.png)    To this:      (http://i.imgur.com/S7nCxi0.png)

It is now less intrusive as it does not cover entire candles and it doesn't force you to look on the left. But anyways, i can get your point :)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: fav on November 08, 2015, 08:58:32 pm
@Xeldal

Haha! i like them. The only problem is that Yunbi displays the data in the pop-ups in a horrible format. They should cut the "Open""Close""High""Low""Volume" (and the random MACD/HIST garbage below completely) and just replace with "O, C, H, L, V" and display the list vertically. This way the pop-up should be small enough to fit right above or below the line.

For example:

From this: (http://i.imgur.com/NHSWTym.png)    To this:      (http://i.imgur.com/S7nCxi0.png)

It is now less intrusive as it does not cover entire candles and it doesn't force you to look on the left. But anyways, i can get your point :)

they should just add a customize function, so if anyone thinks black is not black enough they can set it manually

#btstip ValentinJesse 100 BTS
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: btstip on November 08, 2015, 09:00:37 pm
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Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Akado on November 08, 2015, 09:17:54 pm
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1241487.0

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3ro96b/whats_the_best_exchange_trading_interface_for_you/

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3rzz1w/is_there_a_trading_platform_like_mt4_that_can_be/

btcc pro exchange
https://pro.btcc.com/
https://pro.btcc.com/faq
 https://www.btcc.com/news/article/btcc-launches-pro-exchange-an-advanced-bitcoin-trading-platform-with-20x-leverage

One question. BTC-E being one of the first exchanges, doesn't seem to implement new features (that I'm aware of) and still has that simple design, yet it has great volumes. Do you think that's because they're the only ones using MT4 or simply because of Litecoin and/or the community they built around the mythical trollbox?
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: liondani on November 08, 2015, 09:49:45 pm
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Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 09, 2015, 12:31:29 am
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I don't find ValentinJesse account ... where did the tip go?

@fav Thanks!  :). Received a private message and from there i had to claim the tip on btstip.io with my username.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mike623317 on November 09, 2015, 04:02:00 am
Is there any merit to having an option for non-trading users? For example, a basic option and an expert option where you can set price and a order expiry.

As a non-trader, i just want to buy x-amount at the spot price and not worry that i am have misunderstood one of the more technical settings?

I took this from metaexchange.info.

(http://i.imgur.com/Oz7b3kT.jpg)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Xeldal on November 09, 2015, 04:26:04 am
If there is a simple version , I don't think it should be anything with charts / orders books /  markets etc.  I think plain and simple, this -> that, enter how much you want and it returns a price and total cost  and you press go.  Thats it.  Shapeshift would be a good example. 
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: clayop on November 09, 2015, 04:39:46 am
If there is a simple version , I don't think it should be anything with charts / orders books /  markets etc.  I think plain and simple, this -> that, enter how much you want and it returns a price and total cost  and you press go.  Thats it.  Shapeshift would be a good example.
You may like this,
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues/457
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mike623317 on November 09, 2015, 04:41:52 am
If there is a simple version , I don't think it should be anything with charts / orders books /  markets etc.  I think plain and simple, this -> that, enter how much you want and it returns a price and total cost  and you press go.  Thats it.  Shapeshift would be a good example.

I dont disagree with that. Perhaps that could be under an extra heading.
I wish shapeshift would bring BTS and BitUSD back online  :o
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 09, 2015, 08:39:41 am
@mike623317 @Xeldal

Or you can do it like this :) (Adapted the CEX.io "Instant Buy" for Graphene.)


Simple
(http://i.imgur.com/n25GjUL.png)

CHATBOX
(http://i.imgur.com/oGXIO0k.png)

Of course, you can play with the design in endless ways. My point is that you have to make a separate page for "Instant Buy". Personally, i would put it on the "Landing" page and throw in there some vital statistics too. Top 10 coins by volume and other details. Something similar to Bittrex, but simplified. Or just general info about the exchange.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: thera on November 09, 2015, 05:05:46 pm
 +5% +5% +5% Valentin's trading page layout looks excellent to me overall- attractive, clean, and laid out well. If the order book is at least 25 orders deep and has depth shading for a quick gauge in one glance, I think it could be better even than most vertical ones and visually appealing with Valentin's color scheme, though I also think it would be great to offer 2 or 3 different overall 'skins' as fav mentioned- Night, Grey(Valentin's) and Day maybe.  Bitfinex has this order book shading feature in white: https://www.bitfinex.com/trading

For the trading chart, maybe there could be a tiny tool icon with drop down menu of indicators/tools at the top right of the chart like tradeblock has(but without having to expand the chart) https://tradeblock.com/markets/bfnx/xbt-usd/2h/

Also, while margin trading, something I prefer to keep an eye on is my account/margin trade balances, etc. I don’t personally prefer Bitfinex’s overall layout actually, but at least the important information is mostly all there, minus a good chart, so it's not necessary to click through to any other tabs while trying to assess one's overall trading activity. This could be another reason why they have the most volume in the US now for bitcoin/some alts at least, besides the main reason being that it’s reliable for margin trading specifically. Some people here have mentioned slight lags for margin trading at Poloniex, but I’ve found Bitfinex to be reliable, simple, fast, and seamless for both spot and margin trading.

Overall, Okcoin seems to offer in a pretty nice package(kind of Coinbase-like) most of the features that Bitshares does or could offer, like futures, P2P lending, and Algo support for liquidity but not Bitassets/UIA's(which is key since Bitcoin goes down when USD goes up, as they are correlated) and, of course, it isn't decentralized. It may be why they have the most trading volume in China and even if some volume isn't accurate or seems inflated, I think even if it's a 'fake it till you make it' situation, the perception that there is liquidity there(so they can enter/exit markets quickly) has even US crypto twitter traders increasingly participating in their exchange as well. Their website/exchange is well worth looking at: https://www.okcoin.com

I definitely agree with Mike623317 that maybe even right on the landing page/Dashboard like Valentin and Clayop linked to for Buy/Sell/Transfer would be good for people who don’t Buy/Trade anything but fiat to crypto of their choice(yet, if ever?). And maybe the header can include Affiliates for Developers & Merchants like shown in Coinbase(in 'Products’ dropdown menu, though) https://www.coinbase.com/signin and Okcoin: https://www.okcoin.com For example:

Dashboard   Exchange   Explore   Affiliates                                    

And a small bell icon for general exchange notifications with a hover/show feature and question mark “?" icon for help/tours/tips, etc along with a sign in/account dropdown like Polo, and Finex do in the top right corner on their trading pages could be helpful.

Especially, API & Algo support at least for ctrader, Metatrader4, Protrader for pro-traders that liondani, lil_jay890 and others on other threads like svk have mentioned and for other exchanges like Coinigy, etc is really ideal for even wider adoption along with the current crypto user base as well.


Investing/Trading is people expressing/voting with their money for what they believe is currently of more value to them, and as well.attenuated and liondani highlighted earlier, it could be reflected in some part by the crypto trading volume. It is the barter system- so, it's voluntary and fair, which is what bitshares is all about, as I see it. Here are some notes of what seem to me to be Bitshares current strengths below:

Bitshares Current Strengths

Innovative & Diverse Decentralized Markets, Exchange, Blockchain & Platform
 - BitAssets/UIAs and alts, *Prediction markets, *Derivatives, Affiliates program (Developers/Merchants/Entrepeneurs)

*Excellent High Speed(Margin, Futures) Trading with *API/Algo support for protrader tools/bots, etc & *P2P Lending
- to become one of the fairest(most stable), most inclusive, and intelligent decentralized currency/asset/economic system, which is incentive to encourage investment/participation(liquidity) for Bitshares' Diverse markets/innovative features to shine, just like we need participation for the bitshares voting system to work optimally

First Decentralized Autonomous Company or DAC & DAC Platform
- Shares/dividends of Bitshares or any DAC built on top of Bitshares
- Powerful Smart contracts

Privacy
- *Easy Seamless Stealth transfers combined with the name/account system

Support
Supporters/Collaborators willing to participate/invest with their attention in many different ways - time, money, talents, business etc
- App for mobile and other devices or mobile version of some kind for truly expansive reach
- *Demo/intro video embedded in landing page that can be linked/available to share on social media/etc
- *Free beta invites to bitcoin/crypto traders & market makers like Gemini exchange did or Coinigy(see their twitter header) is doing as incentive to share info/videos, etc & spread the word


a * means that it’s in progress at the moment or could be..


Well, I didn’t expect to write this much but lol at myself for getting a little obsessed.. thanks if you read this  :o
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Pheonike on November 09, 2015, 05:56:35 pm

Transfer does not need it 's own tab. It should just be on the dashboard page. 
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mike623317 on November 09, 2015, 06:02:50 pm
@mike623317 @Xeldal

Or you can do it like this :) (Adapted the CEX.io "Instant Buy" for Graphene.)

Simple
(http://i.imgur.com/n25GjUL.png)


I really like that  +5% +5% +5% +5%
I hope we can consider doing this for the average joe who is not a trader and those who have no interest in trading, just converting fiat in to BTS or Gold, CNY etc.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: bytemaster on November 09, 2015, 06:16:03 pm
Some really good ideas being posted here.  We are watching and trying to learn from your ideas the best we can.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Louis on November 09, 2015, 07:02:02 pm
Some really good ideas being posted here.  We are watching and trying to learn from your ideas the best we can.
+5%
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Akado on November 09, 2015, 07:22:37 pm
@mike623317 @Xeldal

Or you can do it like this :) (Adapted the CEX.io "Instant Buy" for Graphene.)

Simple
(http://i.imgur.com/n25GjUL.png)


I really like that  +5% +5% +5% +5%
I hope we can consider doing this for the average joe who is not a trader and those who have no interest in trading, just converting fiat in to BTS or Gold, CNY etc.

Yep. This could be the landing page and we would have other tab for trading with more tools for the day trader.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: luckybit on November 09, 2015, 09:17:53 pm
@Xeldal

Haha! i like them. The only problem is that Yunbi displays the data in the pop-ups in a horrible format. They should cut the "Open""Close""High""Low""Volume" (and the random MACD/HIST garbage below completely) and just replace with "O, C, H, L, V" and display the list vertically. This way the pop-up should be small enough to fit right above or below the candle you are hovering on.

For example:

From this: (http://i.imgur.com/NHSWTym.png)    To this:      (http://i.imgur.com/S7nCxi0.png)

It is now less intrusive as it does not cover entire candles and it doesn't force you to look on the left. But anyways, i can get your point :)

Make the popups transparent.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: luckybit on November 09, 2015, 09:19:40 pm
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Tipbot might want to use the colors, green for 100 BTS. Also +100BTS works too and takes a lot less words. Each of the components needs to be a different color. The amounts should be green, the names should be blue.

These are minor changes but the color patterns help a lot in terms of subconscious association and marketing.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: luckybit on November 09, 2015, 09:26:41 pm
@mike623317 @Xeldal

Or you can do it like this :) (Adapted the CEX.io "Instant Buy" for Graphene.)

Simple
(http://i.imgur.com/n25GjUL.png)


I really like that  +5% +5% +5% +5%
I hope we can consider doing this for the average joe who is not a trader and those who have no interest in trading, just converting fiat in to BTS or Gold, CNY etc.

Yep. This could be the landing page and we would have other tab for trading with more tools for the day trader.

Don't forget to add a section for people who would learn to earn BTS. Some people cannot afford to buy so you should have in small print some sort of note or option like, "Out of funds? Click here to learn about opportunities to earn BTS."

Additionally when their balance gets to zero, just like in arcades, you might want to suggest this screen to them. This could be like the "continue" screen. Use the theories behind gamification.

That particular screen is excellent in some ways. It looks a lot like an ATM machine, but I think what we should aim for is a cross between ATM machine and arcade machine.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: ValentinJesse on November 09, 2015, 10:30:07 pm

Thanks for the feedback. Will be back soon with other suggestions and implementations. Unfortunately, my current job is staying in the way of my countless ideas.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: liondani on November 09, 2015, 10:45:49 pm
Additionally when their balance gets to zero, just like in arcades, you might want to suggest this screen to them. This could be like the "continue" screen. Use the theories behind gamification.

a "God Mode" future  would be also interesting !   :P

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpiRPjFPsTG8XbCRXZGjdC_UGN8xgOP4Lp_LBsMcUwed7oAUgX)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: liondani on November 09, 2015, 10:55:13 pm
http://www.spotware.com/
(https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fpepperstone.com%2Fimg%2Ftrading-platforms%2Fpepperstone-ctrader.gif&sp=8bd309dfe7b9b57fd811d775e8fdf149)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Louis on November 09, 2015, 11:06:30 pm
http://www.spotware.com/
(https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fpepperstone.com%2Fimg%2Ftrading-platforms%2Fpepperstone-ctrader.gif&sp=8bd309dfe7b9b57fd811d775e8fdf149)

Wow, this looks great, a truly space saver, very intuitive and easy to read.  +5% +5% Love it
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: tonyk on November 09, 2015, 11:09:17 pm
http://www.spotware.com/
(https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fpepperstone.com%2Fimg%2Ftrading-platforms%2Fpepperstone-ctrader.gif&sp=8bd309dfe7b9b57fd811d775e8fdf149)

Cool!
But those prices are change way faster than 1.5 sec...on average.  ;)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mike623317 on November 10, 2015, 01:33:26 am
@mike623317 @Xeldal

Or you can do it like this :) (Adapted the CEX.io "Instant Buy" for Graphene.)

Simple
(http://i.imgur.com/n25GjUL.png)

I really like that  +5% +5% +5% +5%
I hope we can consider doing this for the average joe who is not a trader and those who have no interest in trading, just converting fiat in to BTS or Gold, CNY etc.

So if we went with these sort of buttons and fields, perhaps we should keep that look and feel consistent across pages.

(http://i.imgur.com/djXTJHv.jpg)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: chono on November 10, 2015, 01:34:09 am
I think first thing we need to do is Fee Systems and Order Matching Rules.Interface is second priority.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: yvv on November 10, 2015, 01:48:21 am
A "Best Exchange Poll" already effectively exists and it constantly updated: just look at volume.  People trade at their preferred exchange and "vote" with their dollars and satoshis.

But you still need to ask them what exactly they vote for with their dollars and satoshis.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: jakub on November 10, 2015, 06:32:07 am
http://www.spotware.com/
(https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fpepperstone.com%2Fimg%2Ftrading-platforms%2Fpepperstone-ctrader.gif&sp=8bd309dfe7b9b57fd811d775e8fdf149)
+5%
Yes, this is absolutely perfect in terms of having so much content taking so little space without being overwhelming for the user.
Truly perfect UX: what is needed is immediately accessible and what might be needed is just one click away.

For me, this is a much better design than both Poloniex and MT. Simple and powerful.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: mike623317 on November 10, 2015, 06:59:39 am
I was thinking about the mult-sig tab

(http://i.imgur.com/3euVgQ1.jpg)
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: Chris4210 on November 14, 2015, 04:40:15 pm
I like Valentine´s approach too. But we should also consider other good designs mentioned above and just take over the position of features within the screen. I think Valentine´s design is to simple and interesting enough in contrast to all the other suggested designs.

Is there a pool to vote for a certain designs yet?



Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: coinigy on November 15, 2015, 03:52:34 pm
@clayop When it was first released, Coinigy used a very fluid chart that also provided panels with info above each candle at hovering. Unfortunately, they've replaced it.

Incorrect, the charts in question have always been available (and continue to be) under the "Series2" tab.
Title: Re: Best Exchange Website
Post by: JonnyB on November 15, 2015, 04:01:36 pm

Transfer does not need it 's own tab. It should just be on the dashboard page.

I agree with this