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Title: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: bytemaster on November 23, 2015, 10:42:49 pm
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What this means is that all features from all blockchains based upon Graphene can be adopted by their brother and sister chains. It means that all public chains benefit from developments on other similarly licensed chains.

This also means that people can create derivative chains that do not license their changes to BitShares. BitShares may have to use worker proposals, revenue shares, etc to motivate developers to offer their forks for use with BitShares under a BSD license.  It is for this reason that the GPL was not adopted. GPL would prevent 3rd parties from charging BitShares for their work and thus undermine incentives for innovation.

This means that anyone can now adopt and improve upon the Graphene UI and make a better exchange platform.

Cryptonomex was holding on to the Graphene code while we were figuring out our business model. Our model no longer depends upon license fees or revenue sharing from the referral program which means the BitShares ecosystem can redirect those fees to other profitable opportunities.

We will be preparing a more formal press release once we have made all of the commits necessary (to change headers, licenses etc). 

Congratulations to people like OpenLedger (CCEDK) and BitCash, your business profits just doubled.  Congratulations to BitShares, we have withdrawn our worker proposal requesting that we be compensated for opening up the license.

Ultimately this means that BitShares / Graphene is no longer held back by CNX. 

We will continue to work with the community to improve and enhance Graphene and BitShares. 

Happy Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: Ander on November 23, 2015, 10:54:12 pm
Looks like I should start putting my NSR money back into BTS.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: fav on November 23, 2015, 10:59:28 pm
#sharebits "bytemaster" 100 MEGUSTA
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: btstip on November 23, 2015, 11:00:44 pm
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Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: donkeypong on November 23, 2015, 11:07:51 pm
OMG, I'm sure glad I bought some Obits at yesterday's prices.

Thank you, BM. This is a great change for the community. And I hope that CNX has other worthy avenues of profiting from your team's hard work and expertise.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: jaran on November 23, 2015, 11:09:02 pm
 +5% +5% +5% +5% +5%

What do we get for Christmas?  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: lil_jay890 on November 23, 2015, 11:16:57 pm
This is awesome BM! Thank you!
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: merivercap on November 23, 2015, 11:31:51 pm
 +5% +5% +5%

Fantastic new BM.  Thanks so much for doing that!  It helps us greatly and we can pass more of the referral revenue to others to grow the ecosystem!

Happy thanksgiving to you too! 
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: Tuck Fheman on November 23, 2015, 11:43:49 pm
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Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
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Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: Ben Mason on November 23, 2015, 11:57:05 pm
Just wow. Thank you cryptonomex for being the most honourable, hardworking, innovative bunch I've ever had the good fortune to share a community with. Happy Thanksgiving
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: noisy on November 24, 2015, 12:07:45 am
@bytemaster: is this means, that bitshares will be truly open, and now I will be able to legally create my own blockchain based on graphene code? :)
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: tonyk on November 24, 2015, 12:45:53 am
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing through anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: noisy on November 24, 2015, 12:51:18 am
just FYI, issue about that on github: https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues/447
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: roadscape on November 24, 2015, 12:59:58 am
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

 +5%

Yes, well done.. definitely better.. BUT, while BTS is still trying to figure out it's business model, maybe we should be a little more conservative. I'm concerned about fragmentation of the network effect, and to some extent leeching, as tonyk mentioned.

That concern is only for the (c++) core... as for BSD'ing the GUI... Excellent!! Thank you!!

edit:

I've realized that open-sourcing everything is simply the right thing to do. Good move.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: btstip on November 24, 2015, 02:06:18 am
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Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on November 24, 2015, 05:05:02 am
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Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: donkeypong on November 24, 2015, 05:15:19 am
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

 +5%

Yes, well done.. definitely better.. BUT, while BTS is still trying to figure out it's business model, maybe we should be a little more conservative. I'm concerned about fragmentation of the network effect, and to some extent leeching, as tonyk mentioned.

Just revive the Social Consensus. Why am I the only poster who brings that up anymore? Look back over the last six months on this forum and I'll bet the last six posts on the Social Consensus have all been mine. Between licensing and stealing something for free lies the community's expectation that anyone using this technology will sharedrop a small percentage. If they don't, we blackball them rather than inviting them to Beyond Bitcoin. If they do honor the Social Consensus, then they have the full weight of this community behind their product. I think it's a great notion and I believe we should expect that of everyone using this technology (the development of which this community has supported technologically, financially, and morally).
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: TravelsAsia on November 24, 2015, 05:20:22 am
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

 +5%

Yes, well done.. definitely better.. BUT, while BTS is still trying to figure out it's business model, maybe we should be a little more conservative. I'm concerned about fragmentation of the network effect, and to some extent leeching, as tonyk mentioned.

Just revive the Social Consensus. Why am I the only poster who brings that up anymore? Look back over the last six months on this forum and I'll bet the last six posts on the Social Consensus have all been mine. Between licensing and stealing something for free lies the community's expectation that anyone using this technology will sharedrop a small percentage. If they don't, we blackball them rather than inviting them to Beyond Bitcoin. If they do honor the Social Consensus, then they have the full weight of this community behind their product. I think it's a great notion and I believe we should expect that of everyone using this technology (the development of which this community has supported technologically, financially, and morally).

 +5% Makes sense.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on November 24, 2015, 05:38:16 am
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

 +5%

Yes, well done.. definitely better.. BUT, while BTS is still trying to figure out it's business model, maybe we should be a little more conservative. I'm concerned about fragmentation of the network effect, and to some extent leeching, as tonyk mentioned.

Just revive the Social Consensus. Why am I the only poster who brings that up anymore? Look back over the last six months on this forum and I'll bet the last six posts on the Social Consensus have all been mine. Between licensing and stealing something for free lies the community's expectation that anyone using this technology will sharedrop a small percentage. If they don't, we blackball them rather than inviting them to Beyond Bitcoin. If they do honor the Social Consensus, then they have the full weight of this community behind their product. I think it's a great notion and I believe we should expect that of everyone using this technology (the development of which this community has supported technologically, financially, and morally).

The community has to revive its value proposition in order for this to work. If the value of the community doesn't equal what is expected out of some kind of share, then it doesn't make sense. When the 'community' numbers in the millions.. then you have something to bargain with.. otherwise you are asking a business to give up something for essentially nothing.. in their estimation anyways. They can just go ahead without sharedrop and the consequences of the community not supporting wouldn't even register.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: jtme on November 24, 2015, 05:47:12 am
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing through anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

I agree.
and I'm not sure why everyone else celebrates :).
This is good for CNX business and other potentialy competing chains they will work for  but may not be so good for BTS holders. Anyone heard of rootstock, bitcoin ethereum sidechain coming in December ?
Anyone can take graphene code and create a sidechain where all bitasets are backed by BTC.
Goodbye BTS chain then.Without social consensus rule of sharedroping, I do not see is as a good thing.
ANd anyone remebers  CNX promises that they will not allow directly competing chains ?
What happened to that ?

I suggest to licence it as BSD with the social consensus rule that every new chain has to be
approved by voting of   of comitte members same way as worker proposals are ....
The success of voting would depend on the percentge of sharedrop and other conditions.

At any rate, why so rush now. It can be BSD licenced any time, but it can never be taken back
if it turns out to be a bad decision.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: donkeypong on November 24, 2015, 05:58:17 am
The community has to revive its value proposition in order for this to work. If the value of the community doesn't equal what is expected out of some kind of share, then it doesn't make sense. When the 'community' numbers in the millions.. then you have something to bargain with.. otherwise you are asking a business to give up something for essentially nothing.. in their estimation anyways. They can just go ahead without sharedrop and the consequences of the community not supporting wouldn't even register.

Ye of little faith. Expect and demand it, that's what we should do. They can be on our good side or our bad side. We have that power now and it will only grow with more users and a larger community.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on November 24, 2015, 06:18:17 am
The community has to revive its value proposition in order for this to work. If the value of the community doesn't equal what is expected out of some kind of share, then it doesn't make sense. When the 'community' numbers in the millions.. then you have something to bargain with.. otherwise you are asking a business to give up something for essentially nothing.. in their estimation anyways. They can just go ahead without sharedrop and the consequences of the community not supporting wouldn't even register.

Ye of little faith. Expect and demand it, that's what we should do. They can be on our good side or our bad side. We have that power now and it will only grow with more users and a larger community.

That's pretty much what I was saying.. the power we have now though is like a 10 lumen LED :) ... sure it's power.. but when we are up to 300k lumen floods.. then its noticeable... and powerful.

I would caution the expect and demanding though.. that could very quickly come across the wrong way. The whole idea of the social consensus was just that.. social.. demanding it is not very social.. neither is expecting. We can very fairly offer it.. and if the offering is accepted willingly and with joy.. then great. I am say though that they will look at it just like I said already and see that they are the losers in that deal and will not be so excited about it. Those that don't simply don't get our unique brand of support. I just hope what follows that doesn't lead to others not even wanting to engage us.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: BTSdac on November 24, 2015, 06:45:54 am
 +5%  great thing
@bytemaster: is this means, that bitshares will be truly open, and now I will be able to legally create my own blockchain based on graphene code? :)
I think  everyone can fork any open code  as bitcoin, nxt , but it is different to success ,  like NXT ,there are many alt-coin base on NXT, but many of them are disappear.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: donkeypong on November 24, 2015, 07:29:12 am

That's pretty much what I was saying.. the power we have now though is like a 10 lumen LED :) ... sure it's power.. but when we are up to 300k lumen floods.. then its noticeable... and powerful.

I would caution the expect and demanding though.. that could very quickly come across the wrong way. The whole idea of the social consensus was just that.. social.. demanding it is not very social.. neither is expecting. We can very fairly offer it.. and if the offering is accepted willingly and with joy.. then great. I am say though that they will look at it just like I said already and see that they are the losers in that deal and will not be so excited about it. Those that don't simply don't get our unique brand of support. I just hope what follows that doesn't lead to others not even wanting to engage us.

Yes, we can't be assholes about pushing it, like I've been known to be. But the expectation for social consensus needs to be there or else we are just rolling over dead. If we have people in our community who can do de-bugging, language translation, graphic design, crowd-funding, marketing, etc. (some examples), then maybe the sharedrop does not seem like a one-way handout to a group of entitled assholes who spend too much time posting on forums. Instead, it is a two-way street where we have a group of skilled and motivated foot soldiers ready to help your product succeed. You share with us, we share with you.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: xeroc on November 24, 2015, 07:53:54 am
This is GREAT ..
When can we expect to see the new license in the bitshares-2-ui repository?
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: Akado on November 24, 2015, 09:13:14 am
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing through anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

I'm skeptical of this. I also dont want other chains to get for free what BTS shareholders paid for. They can get them, as long as they pay too.

Couldn't we create some kind of consensus where if a chain wants certain feature, has to pay something like 25% of it's original price by buying that amount of BTS at the time and burning it or something?

and like it was mantioned, what keeps other projects from taking all we've paid for and do it on a sidechain or whatever? a popular enough project like ethereum and it's btc version could pull that off while leaving BTS in the dust right? Even if their chains are not as optimized as ours, they still win the popularity contest
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: iHashFury on November 24, 2015, 09:34:02 am
Sensible and profitable move .
With more Graphene blockchains in use, there is more potential  work for the experts - Cryptonomex.

BitShares also benefits by association in expertise, promotion and profit.  +5%

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Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: btstip on November 24, 2015, 09:35:16 am
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Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: xeroc on November 24, 2015, 09:37:18 am
I'm skeptical of this. I also dont want other chains to get for free what BTS
shareholders paid for. They can get them, as long as they pay too.

Couldn't we create some kind of consensus where if a chain wants certain
feature, has to pay something like 25% of it's original price by buying that
amount of BTS at the time and burning it or something?

and like it was mantioned, what keeps other projects from taking all we've paid
for and do it on a sidechain or whatever? a popular enough project like
ethereum and it's btc version could pull that off while leaving BTS in the dust
right? Even if their chains are not as optimized as ours, they still win the
popularity contest

Isn't that what the social consensus is doing for us? If a chain wants to have
our "support" and user base, they need to sharedrop their shares onto BTS
holders?

It all comes down to USER BASE! That's why whatsapp is worth $20B and we should
work as hard as possible to have the user base grow in our own chain.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: Akado on November 24, 2015, 09:51:08 am
I'm skeptical of this. I also dont want other chains to get for free what BTS
shareholders paid for. They can get them, as long as they pay too.

Couldn't we create some kind of consensus where if a chain wants certain
feature, has to pay something like 25% of it's original price by buying that
amount of BTS at the time and burning it or something?

and like it was mantioned, what keeps other projects from taking all we've paid
for and do it on a sidechain or whatever? a popular enough project like
ethereum and it's btc version could pull that off while leaving BTS in the dust
right? Even if their chains are not as optimized as ours, they still win the
popularity contest

Isn't that what the social consensus is doing for us? If a chain wants to have
our "support" and user base, they need to sharedrop their shares onto BTS
holders?

It all comes down to USER BASE! That's why whatsapp is worth $20B and we should
work as hard as possible to have the user base grow in our own chain.

Exactly, Ethereum and Bitcoin don't need our userbase. Some platform done on top of those has no need for us. We're only a burden. This, if it even makes sense for them to take out features, that were done with graphene. I dont know up to what point it would make sense to take them into a ethereum and bitcoin chain since chains have different proprieties, but still, if they are able to do it, there will be no social consensus because our userbase is only a burden for them.

But I agree with you that we should make our userbase grow as much as possible as to change the outcome in case that situation happens.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: jtme on November 24, 2015, 10:31:18 am
I'm skeptical of this. I also dont want other chains to get for free what BTS
shareholders paid for. They can get them, as long as they pay too.

Couldn't we create some kind of consensus where if a chain wants certain
feature, has to pay something like 25% of it's original price by buying that
amount of BTS at the time and burning it or something?

and like it was mantioned, what keeps other projects from taking all we've paid
for and do it on a sidechain or whatever? a popular enough project like
ethereum and it's btc version could pull that off while leaving BTS in the dust
right? Even if their chains are not as optimized as ours, they still win the
popularity contest

Isn't that what the social consensus is doing for us? If a chain wants to have
our "support" and user base, they need to sharedrop their shares onto BTS
holders?

It all comes down to USER BASE! That's why whatsapp is worth $20B and we should
work as hard as possible to have the user base grow in our own chain.
Muse like chains do not need our userbase or expertise. They hire cnx, get users on peertracks, bitusd muse will get better liquidy .....
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: xeroc on November 24, 2015, 10:59:33 am
Muse like chains do not need our userbase or expertise. They hire cnx, get users on peertracks, bitusd muse will get better liquidy .....
Yes .. but only because there is ONE startup running on top of MUSE ..
Imagine only one business in the banking, exchange and financing business to join the BitShares network!

I can tell you this:
   OpenLedger is just the beginning!
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: Riverhead on November 24, 2015, 11:17:08 am

This is great news and certainly a step in the right direction both from an ideological and business perspective.

One thing to keep in mind about "people using what we paid for": How much have we paid for the c++ compilers, the BOOST licenses, the SSL libraries, etc. etc. etc. that is the core of BTS?

The space needs more building blocks.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode on November 24, 2015, 02:41:06 pm

This is great news and certainly a step in the right direction both from an ideological and business perspective.

One thing to keep in mind about "people using what we paid for": How much have we paid for the c++ compilers, the BOOST licenses, the SSL libraries, etc. etc. etc. that is the core of BTS?

The space needs more building blocks.

Yes.. innovation of today is happening on layers from yesterday. If we ever hope to become one of those layers we need to be open about it.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: twitter on November 26, 2015, 05:10:30 am
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Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: btstip on November 26, 2015, 05:11:31 am
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Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: ByronP on December 02, 2015, 01:01:28 am
BTS and Eth should not be compared since they have very different features. However if BTS could have a blockchain code runner (execution environment) like Eth it would definitely make BTS the best overall platform.
Title: Re: Cryptonomex to License Graphene and Graphene-UI under BSD License
Post by: fuzzy on December 02, 2015, 04:36:21 am
Actually I am kind of a fan of a step less than that [It very well be my conservative thinking; or inability to see things as liberal as most here]

But free to everything BTS related should have been enough. I really do not want other chains (MUSE, PLAY, player X) getting the stuff that BTS holders paid for, for free.

If you want it - make yourself a DAPP on BTS, or pay to CNX or whoever developed that particular feature. The idea it to generally prevent even the thought of milk-cowing BTS, passing anybody's mind.


Anyway, definitely better than the current state, in my view.

 +5%

Yes, well done.. definitely better.. BUT, while BTS is still trying to figure out it's business model, maybe we should be a little more conservative. I'm concerned about fragmentation of the network effect, and to some extent leeching, as tonyk mentioned.

Just revive the Social Consensus. Why am I the only poster who brings that up anymore? Look back over the last six months on this forum and I'll bet the last six posts on the Social Consensus have all been mine. Between licensing and stealing something for free lies the community's expectation that anyone using this technology will sharedrop a small percentage. If they don't, we blackball them rather than inviting them to Beyond Bitcoin. If they do honor the Social Consensus, then they have the full weight of this community behind their product. I think it's a great notion and I believe we should expect that of everyone using this technology (the development of which this community has supported technologically, financially, and morally).

 +5% Makes sense.

this is what ive alwayd thought too...the community (we) should build many things that nee chains will want to be part of because they know it would be extremely valuable to get added to our infrastructure either A) extremely cheaply or B) free...as long as social consensus is met.

as for blackballing them...we dont need to even worry about that. All we need to do is ignore the ones that dont.