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Title: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 12, 2015, 09:42:04 am
I think the bot is running stable and testing should be over soon.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 12, 2015, 09:54:05 am
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: hybridd on December 12, 2015, 10:03:40 am
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads

In regards to bad image, what of that in regard of posting memes? To say the least, the forum could easily enforce censoring of certain assets given assets are required to be spelled perfectly, it means ORGASMS could be censored to ORG*SMS or something. The forum administrators have control over censorship of tipping certain assets. Like wise, censoring could be done at the implementation level where we only let certain assets be tippable. Personally though, I'm not for censoring.

In regards to bump old/obsolete threads, why not treat tipping in such threads the same you would regular necromancing? Simply have a sticky thread that people can use to tip people in and tell people to use that thread for "older posts."

I think it's not worth talking about does the forum need a tip bot, but do the pros of a tip bot on the forums outweigh the cons?
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 12, 2015, 10:12:05 am
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads

In regards to bad image, what of that in regard of posting memes? To say the least, the forum could easily enforce censoring of certain assets given assets are required to be spelled perfectly, it means ORGASMS could be censored to ORG*SMS or something. The forum administrators have control over censorship of tipping certain assets. Like wise, censoring could be done at the implementation level where we only let certain assets be tippable. Personally though, I'm not for censoring.

In regards to bump old/obsolete threads, why not treat tipping in such threads the same you would regular necromancing? Simply have a sticky thread that people can use to tip people in and tell people to use that thread for "older posts."

I think it's not worth talking about does the forum need a tip bot, but do the pros of a tip bot on the forums outweigh the cons?

I say we censor everyone and everything ... censor all teh things!

Ban anyone doing anything fav doesn't agree with.

Just let him go wild and take over the forum to run it however he sees fit, who needs Community, it's overrated obviously!

We need one person telling us what we can post, what UIA's we can give out and where we can give them out.

Dictatorship now! It's the only answer! Please save us [member=31]fav[/member]!
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: btswolf on December 12, 2015, 11:29:52 am
I think it is good to try new features like the Tipbot on the forum but I it has to be regulated.
Recently some users are spamming the forum with useless UIA`s just for fun and yes that is very distracting when reading through the forum.
And no I can't ignore it because usually I'm not logged in when just reading here.

IMHO the Tipbot should be:
*limited to only one or a very well selected handful of UIA`s
*should not post himself
*it should not be used in a negative manner
*if not regulated it should be ceased

If people are reading our forum they should recognize that we are able to reward valuable content.
But they should not get the impression this forum is full of bored guys who have nothing better to do than playing ping pong with the Tipbot.

Thank you Fav and all other mods for taking care of this forum and helping to keep it clean.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: bitacer on December 12, 2015, 11:49:04 am
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads

In regards to bad image, what of that in regard of posting memes? To say the least, the forum could easily enforce censoring of certain assets given assets are required to be spelled perfectly, it means ORGASMS could be censored to ORG*SMS or something. The forum administrators have control over censorship of tipping certain assets. Like wise, censoring could be done at the implementation level where we only let certain assets be tippable. Personally though, I'm not for censoring.

In regards to bump old/obsolete threads, why not treat tipping in such threads the same you would regular necromancing? Simply have a sticky thread that people can use to tip people in and tell people to use that thread for "older posts."

I think it's not worth talking about does the forum need a tip bot, but do the pros of a tip bot on the forums outweigh the cons?
Does sharebits work ?, a user says he is not receiving the tips I sent
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 12, 2015, 11:51:56 am
I think it's not worth talking about does the forum need a tip bot, but do the pros of a tip bot on the forums outweigh the cons?

Exactly. You offered some good ideas already to make it less intrusive, so if the outcome of this poll is no, you are welcome to come up with a new proposal :)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: EstefanTT on December 12, 2015, 11:57:08 am
ShareBits is part of the BitShares ecosystem. It's not bad in itself.

It's not because bad people use Bitcoin to fund terrorist acts that Bitcoin need to be ban or stopped.

Same here. We just need to ask to the members of this community to use the more childish token in thread of light/funny discussion and respect the important matter discussed free of bad-image-token.

IMO, it's already the case. I didn't see anything that could damage our image in the important threads.

There's more. I think a guest of our forum with entrepeneurship mind seeing someone tipping another with "firstbump" or "smile" may have poping in his mind lots of potential use of theses token.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: JonnyB on December 12, 2015, 12:23:58 pm
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads

Yeah exactly, I hate all these social tokens/ shitcoins non of them have any value. If you genuinely like what someone has done ask for there bts account name and send them some BTS.  Even brownies are a waste of time IMHO
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: bitacer on December 12, 2015, 12:47:08 pm
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads

Yeah exactly, I hate all these social tokens/ shitcoins non of them have any value. If you genuinely like what someone has done ask for there bts account name and send them some BTS.  Even brownies are a waste of time IMHO

Well a coin ca only be a representation of a value and there needs to be consensus about its value.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: JonnyB on December 12, 2015, 12:54:49 pm
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads

Yeah exactly, I hate all these social tokens/ shitcoins non of them have any value. If you genuinely like what someone has done ask for there bts account name and send them some BTS.  Even brownies are a waste of time IMHO

Well a coin ca only be a representation of a value and there needs to be consensus about its value.

That consensus is formed in the market and the market says that apart from a handlful they are worthless.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: tonyk on December 12, 2015, 12:56:12 pm
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads

Yeah exactly, I hate all these social tokens/ shitcoins non of them have any value. If you genuinely like what someone has done ask for there bts account name and send them some BTS.  Even brownies are a waste of time IMHO

Same camp here. And strongly in it btw.

Also the tipbot can potentially be a good thing on facebook for example, if people tip in something with proven value. What will be the result with mostly tipping in worthless (yes they are worthless) crap coins? A non crypto person will check, maybe once, and for ages will think - "ohh those kids, the one tipping playing with useless, worthless  coins?.. no not really interested in this non-sense."
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: bitacer on December 12, 2015, 01:00:40 pm
Well you need to keep trying until find out what market prefers..
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: iHashFury on December 12, 2015, 01:55:47 pm
"With great power comes great responsibility"

Use your tools wisely!
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Akado on December 12, 2015, 02:05:18 pm
I think the tipbot is good but not necessarily in the forum where everyone already knows about BitShares. It's a good thing if you tip on Twitter, Reddit, etc Because by using it you're already marketing BitShares which is what we need
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: jakub on December 12, 2015, 02:32:11 pm
Slightly off-topic:
Where will I find information on the business model of this tipbot?
Who is paying the transfer fees and how does this bot earn revenue for the entrepreneurs behind it?
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 05:15:21 pm
ShareBits is part of the BitShares ecosystem. It's not bad in itself.

It's not because bad people use Bitcoin to fund terrorist acts that Bitcoin need to be ban or stopped.

Same here. We just need to ask to the members of this community to use the more childish token in thread of light/funny discussion and respect the important matter discussed free of bad-image-token.

IMO, it's already the case. I didn't see anything that could damage our image in the important threads.

There's more. I think a guest of our forum with entrepeneurship mind seeing someone tipping another with "firstbump" or "smile" may have poping in his mind lots of potential use of theses token.

I feel we should stop worrying about how other people are using the tools we are having built and instead focus on how we can use them in a way that will create more value for the ecosystem.
It is an important step in our growth for the community to begin creating and exchanging tokens.  We need to explore possibilities rather than put down how others are using it.  I don't know what has happened lately with our community but it seems so many people are upset about everything lately.  Why is this?  Why do I see the tendency to put down efforts as opposed to trying to expend the same amount of energy doing something valuable? 

I think people are getting impatient and worried and frustrated...and losing themselves in that instead of just focusing on the benefits tools like this are bringing. 
Now with that said, it could certainly use some tweaking and fine-tuning, but we will get there.  As far as the forum thread disruption, it has already been stated the messages will eventually be going out to pms and even if we have one post for every sharedrop/mass sharedrop on accounts, it isn't keeping others from being able to use this tool to improve the visibility of their own posts (if it comes to that).  The only people complaining are the ones who dont want to use the tool we have offered to everyone.  :/

Regardless, I want to thank everyone here who has been part of it.  The Sharebot will grow with or without the BTS community...though naturally I'd prefer it to become extremely strong here as opposed to other communities. 

Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 05:23:06 pm
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20441.msg265654.html#msg265654  This is a perfect example of why the tipbot is so valuable.  However, for some reason rather than use it...[member=31]fav[/member] has chosen to keep it until she reaches out to him? 

You can send her an email using this bot...
You can send it to her publicly on Twitter or Reddit and let everyone in her network of viewers/coworkers see it (advertising)
and let her get the funds when she is available instead of having to hold onto them and hope nothing happens.  Is it really that hard to see the value in this? lol....
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 05:27:56 pm
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence
The awesome thing about free speech is also the terrible thing about it.  This is not a problem with the bot.  Neither is it a problem for bitshares to have UIA's that anyone can create and name.  UIA's and the tool used to pass them around are tools. 

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads
Here let me bump old and obsolete threads----"bump", or "just keeping this thread alive"


None of these issues are tipbot centric.  So I'm wondering what the real problem is. 

How about this [member=31]fav[/member], give some ideas as to what would make it better to you and help contribute to making it better.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: santaclause102 on December 12, 2015, 05:34:14 pm
I think it is nice to have one but it would also be nice for the tipping to be somewhat costly to prevent spam (however that may work)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 05:38:25 pm
I think it is nice to have one but it would also be nice for the tipping to be somewhat costly to prevent spam (however that may work)

It already costs 20 bucks to make a UIA, along with the time to do so.  Also, we didn't want to make it so if I send you 1 HIGHFIVE, you receive .95 HIGHFIVE. 

I can see the potential problem with spam though for sure. 

I can also see the bot sending to pm's as opposed to the thread where it is posted.  In fact, [member=40140]hybridd[/member] and I have already talked about this openly on the forum and have stated the intention to move it to pms as opposed to within the sharing (tipping) thread. 
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xeldal on December 12, 2015, 05:45:14 pm
I don't mind the tipbot.  I think people say stupid, childish, non-nonsensical things all the time; Nothing new there. 

If the messages/coins being posted/traded on the forum are in large part garbage.  That is more a reflection of the users here not the result of a feature.

My own preference would be to not have the bot post anything or perhaps just a PM, to reduce clutter.  I'd make the same request of some users, but ignore should work just fine in both cases.  Though I don't know where the ignore button is.

 
 
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: EstefanTT on December 12, 2015, 05:47:27 pm
I don't thing spamming is a problem. You can spam manually or with a bot, with ou without token.
I can send 1 fistbump or write a message saying "fistbump"  every 5 minutes, it's almost the same.
It's spamming, no need for tokens to do that.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Thom on December 12, 2015, 05:50:07 pm
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... it seems so many people are upset about everything lately. Why is this?  Why do I see the tendency to put down efforts as opposed to trying to expend the same amount of energy doing something valuable?

I think people are getting impatient and worried and frustrated...and losing themselves in that instead of just focusing on the benefits tools like this are bringing.

The simple answer is that it is easy to complain but hard to be constructive, and the frustration is real. In my case I falsely justify complaints as "offering constructive feedback" but as I review many of my own posts I can see the frustration and emotion that comes through is counterproductive to that end. I also see that without that "edginess", feedback no matter how it's offered or how good it is can be lost or ignored, but hey that's just life. It's all about choices and giving everyone the space to make theirs without force.

I feel so paralyzed by a lack of info on HOW to use this ecosystem and I can see I am not alone in that frustration. On the other hand I see a small minority of people who have managed to push through the difficulties and find a way to be creative with the tools currently available. I call that ability the "McGyver Factor", an ability to adapt and make due with what's at hand.

In other areas of my life I've had an above average level of the "McGyver Factor" but whether it's due to aging or the intensity and volume of information people must now process I don't feel I can adapt to changes as well as I could before.

Back on topic. As I've mentioned to you before fuzzy I just don't get the economic value of all these UIAs, but I can see the value in other ways. So contrasting the sentiments of [member=31]fav[/member] and [member=602]fuzzy[/member] I understand both perspectives. I am NOT in favor of censorship at all. If people want to use FISTBUMPS and ORGASMS to express themselves I say go for it. I can appreciate a touch of humor in all this seriousness.

But I also find the chaos in forum to be too much sometimes, and I am very grateful to people like fav for the time and effort to tidy things up and apply a measure of organization to things around here, we could use more of that.

Perhaps we all could be a bit more circumspect in our attitude. I know I certainly can.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 05:59:55 pm
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... it seems so many people are upset about everything lately. Why is this?  Why do I see the tendency to put down efforts as opposed to trying to expend the same amount of energy doing something valuable?

I think people are getting impatient and worried and frustrated...and losing themselves in that instead of just focusing on the benefits tools like this are bringing.

The simple answer is that it is easy to complain but hard to be constructive, and the frustration is real. In my case I falsely justify complaints as "offering constructive feedback" but as I review many of my own posts I can see the frustration and emotion that comes through is counterproductive to that end. I also see that without that "edginess", feedback no matter how it's offered or how good it is can be lost or ignored, but hey that's just life. It's all about choices and giving everyone the space to make theirs without force.

I feel so paralyzed by a lack of info on HOW to use this ecosystem and I can see I am not alone in that frustration. On the other hand I see a small minority of people who have managed to push through the difficulties and find a way to be creative with the tools currently available. I call that ability the "McGyver Factor", an ability to adapt and make due with what's at hand.

In other areas of my life I've had an above average level of the "McGyver Factor" but whether it's due to aging or the intensity and volume of information people must now process I don't feel I can adapt to changes as well as I could before.

Back on topic. As I've mentioned to you before fuzzy I just don't get the economic value of all these UIAs, but I can see the value in other ways. So contrasting the sentiments of [member=31]fav[/member] and [member=602]fuzzy[/member] I understand both perspectives. I am NOT in favor of censorship at all. If people want to use FISTBUMPS and ORGASMS to express themselves I say go for it. I can appreciate a touch of humor in all this seriousness.

But I also find the chaos in forum to be too much sometimes, and I am very grateful to people like fav for the time and effort to tidy things up and apply a measure of organization to things around here, we could use more of that.

Perhaps we all could be a bit more circumspect in our attitude. I know I certainly can.

We have amazing plans for the sharebot.  The only question at this point is what community(s) will be open/creative enough to use it to help grow their user base.
As for shit UIAs with no value.  They all have speculative value at the very least...and that is not necessarily a bad thing. 

REMEMBER EVERYONE...the bot has barely even been really up and running in full force at all yet.  As the community evolves, so will it's projects and so too with the uses of the bot become more and more understood.  However, if we are always sticking ourselves to the negatives and approaching problems as game enders, we will lose the game

Success requires innovation, persistence and a level of risk-taking.  If people don't like others passing around "useless tokens', I have two things to say to them:
1)  You might be calling a token useless or worthless without even knowing what the issuer's end goals are with it....which is kind of like, well, worse than doing nothing at all.  (hint:  NOT ALL TOKENS will be backed by a service...SOME might be used to label a demographic of people who are valuable for their willingness to participate and be involved in the growth and progress of bitshares.  Some might be used to label a demographic of people who hate bitshares...a great sharedrop target for competitors who want to kill bitshares.  Some might be used to label people who are the most active in DOCUMENTING BITSHARES????)
2)  Tokens with minimal value can still create bonds between people and a sense of comradery that otherwise would not have been there.  The foundation of ALL economies is human interaction---and thus relationships.  Try to remain open-minded to what "value" is and how it can be utilized. 
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 12, 2015, 06:24:34 pm
Social Justice Warriors,

It is time to do something!

I say nuke this useless bot that generates all of this income for BitShares and brings new users into our ecosystem! We do not need a bunch of useless UIA's that cost $20 each (at the current low price of BTS) clogging up the tubes with capitalist pig's money!

I request that ALL post be filtered through user [member=31]fav[/member] before it reaches my eyeballs and for that reason I will begin sending every post I wish to make directly to [member=31]fav[/member] so that he can approve it and post it for me, and I recommend the rest of you do the same. Without fearless leadership there would be no fear in this world, and nothing works better than fear to suppress opposing ideas!

Demand action from one individual, or at least a small group of individuals, with the power to suppress any unclean thoughts. Place boundaries to entry at every opening and reject any ideas that go against the dictated norm. We must stand as one in a united nationalist front against those who think differently and those who create free markets every chance we allow them!

We must reject anyone and anything that goes against what our great leaders have mandated. We must attack free expression in the arts and memes by having one person, or a small group of like-minded individuals, appoint their friends and associates into positions of power on this forum to eradicate these menacing foes. We must rally into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate any perceived common threat!

I believe it is time we created some sort of flag or symbol (see my avatar as a suggestion) so that we all can publicly display our allegiance to our great leader, or small group of leaders hand picked by our great leader. I cannot stand idly by any longer and watch our great land, this forum, run amok with free thought or free enterprise!

Someone please assume control for me as I've grown tired of thinking for myself and ignoring that which offends me. I'm very busy and I don't have time to ignore menacing childish post that make me respond to them. I cannot be bothered with the ignore feature or turning off signatures, hell sometimes I don't even login to my account, it's so time consuming! I need a fear based system to guide me through my day of being upset with others for distracting me with differing opinions. Did I mention how busy I am and that I can't constantly be taking myself away from all of my busyness addressing all of the things that go against the hive mind?!

I need to get back to work because I'm very busy and don't have time to continue addressing these profit making UIA's or tipbots that bring in even more infidels! Oh great leader(s), please save meh!
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 06:34:28 pm
Please let's not go attacking.  This is really so far away from what I wanted to see with this ShareBot.
It was intended to BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER for God's sake! 

At some point this childishness is going to break my will to continue giving the level of sacrifice to this project.  As it moves further away from BM and his team, I would love to be incentivized to continue helping as opposed to seeing the things I work and sacrifice to bring to the community tearing us apart over stupid shit. 

Until our community can start working to build value as opposed to constantly swirling around in a loop of negativity, we will continue to see our marketcap slip.  We need Unity to at least some degree.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: santaclause102 on December 12, 2015, 07:05:13 pm
I think it is nice to have one but it would also be nice for the tipping to be somewhat costly to prevent spam (however that may work)

It already costs 20 bucks to make a UIA, along with the time to do so.  Also, we didn't want to make it so if I send you 1 HIGHFIVE, you receive .95 HIGHFIVE. 

I can see the potential problem with spam though for sure. 

I can also see the bot sending to pm's as opposed to the thread where it is posted.  In fact, [member=40140]hybridd[/member] and I have already talked about this openly on the forum and have stated the intention to move it to pms as opposed to within the sharing (tipping) thread.
I actually don't see the bot messages as it is atm as a problem. It is just that is is sometimes a bit more anoying to scroll over threads with a lot of bot msg. Maybe these could just be made smaller (font, less space between lines)?
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 07:12:54 pm
I think it is nice to have one but it would also be nice for the tipping to be somewhat costly to prevent spam (however that may work)

It already costs 20 bucks to make a UIA, along with the time to do so.  Also, we didn't want to make it so if I send you 1 HIGHFIVE, you receive .95 HIGHFIVE. 

I can see the potential problem with spam though for sure. 

I can also see the bot sending to pm's as opposed to the thread where it is posted.  In fact, [member=40140]hybridd[/member] and I have already talked about this openly on the forum and have stated the intention to move it to pms as opposed to within the sharing (tipping) thread.
I actually don't see the bot messages as it is atm as a problem. It is just that is is sometimes a bit more anoying to scroll over threads with a lot of bot msg. Maybe these could just be made smaller (font, less space between lines)?

this should be entirely possible.  [member=40140]hybridd[/member] what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 07:16:58 pm
I believe it is time we created some sort of flag or symbol (see my avatar as a suggestion) so that we all can publicly display our allegiance to our great leader, or small group of leaders hand picked by our great leader. I cannot stand idly by any longer and watch our great land, this forum, run amok with free thought or free enterprise!

Um...why not have those "flags" or "symbols" be in the form of tokens given freely by individuals to other individuals so you can see who is allied openly based on their token's holdings?

For instance, if you see someone holding many fuzzies, you would know that he/she is highly associated with the "fuzzy faction".

Call them Faction Tokens if you will...
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: eagleeye on December 12, 2015, 07:42:53 pm
I think having the tipbot around is good.  When new people come they will wonder in a positive way about it.  They will think "can I make my own currency"
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 08:03:04 pm
I don't thing spamming is a problem. You can spam manually or with a bot, with ou without token.
I can send 1 fistbump or write a message saying "fistbump"  every 5 minutes, it's almost the same.
It's spamming, no need for tokens to do that.

great point.  so i guess this is a good way of countering the point fav made about it hurting forum discussions by derailing topics since the tipbot is not in any way a superior way of spamming compared to more traditional approaches.

I think having the tipbot around is good.  When new people come they will wonder in a positive way about it.  They will think "can I make my own currency"
You see one valuable aspect eagle and it is great to know that you see it.  But I think we have even overlooked something:  when they consider wanting to make their own asset, if the tipbot is alive and well they will likely have a well of people who are capable of helping them create it because more people will have practiced doing so (because they have a REASON to). 

This entire argument against the sharebot is like saying "do we need roads? Yes/No?" then saying something like: "people put up billboards near them and the one for the porn store makes my town look bad"....

to which the answer is obvious: Your town will be much more pissed if they have to walk deer trails to get anywhere. Im also willing to bet your town's economy will suffer because of the lack of roads. 
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 08:05:36 pm
I think the bot is running stable and testing should be over soon.

[member=31]fav[/member]  Also, this is incorrect.  Who told you this?  Did I tell you?  or did [member=38688]kuro112[/member], [member=40140]hybridd[/member], [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] ?  Otherwise this would have been smart to run past us.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 08:11:47 pm
Please allow me to give you a link to a new, parallel post to give people an idea of the misinformed nature of this poll: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20598.0.html
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: phillyguy on December 12, 2015, 08:55:35 pm
The sharebot project is stupid.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 09:35:12 pm
The sharebot project is stupid.

"Roads are stupid"  he says :D

"Passing tokens outside our ecosystem in a way that could become viral is stupid" he says :)

I guess you could look at Changetip's success as an indicator of how successful it could be...then add to that it is the fastest bot in the world because of bitshares.  I guess all that is "stupid" though eh phillyguy? 
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: pc on December 12, 2015, 09:57:37 pm
I don't like social tokens and I don't like the tipbot.

HOWEVER, I see where the general use of social tokens comes from. The tipbot is a great tool to generate awareness. I have no statistics available, but I'm pretty certain that the tipbot/social token stuff is used a lot more actively than any other assets on our blockchain (except BTS itself and some MPAs of course). That's why I think that yes we definitely need both. Here and everywhere else.

(It wouldn't be the first time that some genius makes a really clever invention for the good of mankind, and then mankind comes along and uses it for some completely irrelevant crap. As in, invent the internet - and use it for facebook.)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 12, 2015, 10:05:04 pm
I don't like social tokens and I don't like the tipbot.

HOWEVER, I see where the general use of social tokens comes from. The tipbot is a great tool to generate awareness. I have no statistics available, but I'm pretty certain that the tipbot/social token stuff is used a lot more actively than any other assets on our blockchain (except BTS itself and some MPAs of course). That's why I think that yes we definitely need both. Here and everywhere else.

(It wouldn't be the first time that some genius makes a really clever invention for the good of mankind, and then mankind comes along and uses it for some completely irrelevant crap. As in, invent the internet - and use it for facebook.)

ShareBits is the Yin to BitShares' Yang bro. 

With that said, I truly appreciate you coming here in an attempt to be constructive.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: luckybit on December 12, 2015, 10:08:08 pm
I can't believe a "free speech" forum is discussing censorship?!

No to censorship. Ban children from the forum instead.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: onceuponatime on December 12, 2015, 10:11:55 pm
I can't believe a "free speech" forum is discussing censorship?!

No to censorship. Ban children from the forum instead.

How does the forum assess who are children? All our individual opinions may differ.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: tonyk on December 12, 2015, 10:19:27 pm
I can't believe a "free speech" forum is discussing censorship?!

No to censorship. Ban children from the forum instead.

How does the forum assess who are children? All our individual opinions may differ.

I have 2 characters, I am pretty damn sure are below the age of 11...tuck and fuzzy
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Buck Fankers on December 12, 2015, 10:44:49 pm
I can't believe a "free speech" forum is discussing censorship?!

No to censorship. Ban children from the forum instead.

How does the forum assess who are children? All our individual opinions may differ.

I have 2 characters, I am pretty damn sure are below the age of 11...tuck and fuzzy

Tuck is only acting like everyone else on the forum here lately to prove a point. What's funny is you are usually the most abrasive person on this forum and he has given you an opportunity to look sane for once. You should be thanking him for the opportunity to redeem your reputation. Just my 2 million BTS. Carry on kids.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: tonyk on December 12, 2015, 10:53:23 pm
I can't believe a "free speech" forum is discussing censorship?!

No to censorship. Ban children from the forum instead.

How does the forum assess who are children? All our individual opinions may differ.

I have 2 characters, I am pretty damn sure are below the age of 11...tuck and fuzzy

Tuck is only acting like everyone else on the forum here lately to prove a point. What's funny is you are usually the most abrasive person on this forum and he has given you an opportunity to look sane for once. You should be thanking him for the opportunity to redeem your reputation. Just my 2 million BTS. Carry on kids.

I should redeem my reputation on this forum?
I am not signing in for that, any time soon, whatever you might mean.. I would rather throw bricks or brics or throw fist pumps at crapcoins or brownies....
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: hybridd on December 12, 2015, 11:45:31 pm
The sharebot project is stupid.
What a useful comment.

On a more serious note, he's a follow up of my thoughts. I'm personally against moving the bot to strictly PMing, because lets look at this from an outsiders PoV, if you say someone writing #tip "xyz" 123 BTS, you'd have no idea what that does... but the follow up post provides an explanation, a link to where to learn more about it, etc. It self-spreads by people using the service. It also serves as a confirmation notice. I'm for whatever the community decides though.

Now, there are a few improvements that could be made to making the bot less spamful. It's posts could all be put in spoiler tags (does this forum have those? I'm sure fav knows what I'm talking about), smaller font could be used, and if say the bot went offline and needs to reply to 2/+ people all at once in the same thread it could condense all the replies into 1 post rather than several sequential posts.

I feel like a lot of the people in this thread are the kind of people who 10-20 years back thought smart phones were a dumb idea.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: donkeypong on December 13, 2015, 12:34:49 am
Is there a way to tip without posting a message (plus the bot's follow up) in the forum? Is there a way to do it by PM, for instance?

In its present form, this is causing a lot of spam. I do want to have a bot for Reddit, Twitter, and FB, etc., but what it does to the forum is more trouble than it's worth.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: phillyguy on December 13, 2015, 12:58:13 am

The sharebot project is stupid.

"Roads are stupid"  he says :D

"Passing tokens outside our ecosystem in a way that could become viral is stupid" he says :)

I guess you could look at Changetip's success as an indicator of how successful it could be...then add to that it is the fastest bot in the world because of bitshares.  I guess all that is "stupid" though eh phillyguy?

Welcome to the BitShares Forum - a place for could be, would be and should be, plus a heavy dose of Fuzzy's undeserved ego. Fuzz - rub something in my face when you contribute something that actually gains some network effect. This forum is dying a slow death.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: donkeypong on December 13, 2015, 01:00:36 am

Welcome to the BitShares Forum - a place for could be, would be and should be, plus a heavy dose of Fuzzy's undeserved ego. Fuzz - rub something in my face when you contribute something that actually gains some network effect. This forum is dying a slow death.

If Tonyk had any more Greenies to tip with, I'll bet you just earned one.  ;)

Personally, I don't think all that fuzzy does is useful, but some of his work certainly is. One thing I've never picked up from listening to his shows or reading his posts is ego. Seems like a mostly humble guy.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 01:10:23 am

Welcome to the BitShares Forum - a place for could be, would be and should be, plus a heavy dose of Fuzzy's undeserved ego. Fuzz - rub something in my face when you contribute something that actually gains some network effect. This forum is dying a slow death.

If Tonyk had any more Greenies to tip with, I'll bet you just earned one.  ;)

Personally, I don't think all that fuzzy does is useful, but some of his work certainly is. One thing I've never picked up from listening to his shows or reading his posts is ego. Seems like a mostly humble guy.

thanks donkey.  one thing i can say about you is that while everyone else likes to attack without giving constructive criticism, you tend to rarely do that. even if you and i disagree sometimes, i can truly respect that.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: cass on December 13, 2015, 01:16:47 am
so .. i love the sharebits project :) i tried to put my love into the logo ..
but tbh here in forum i've ignored the account yesterday... i'm getting the feel sometimes of have to search
important posts in between .. ( a bit fussy i know :D)

No seriously, here with SMF search in general is a mess .. so just imagine the dozens of mostly
*no content value* adding sharebits donation posts ..

IMO sharebits is great tool for grabbing outer crypto attention on classical social media spots like fb etc ..
But here in forum i would find it nice if we could reduce this donation posts .. maybe user could get a mail hint but not to post in OP then diretly ? idk if this could work as well ..

so YES to sharebit bot but in more subtle way .. that would be awesome !!!
So continue to kick asses :* [member=602]fuzzy[/member]
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: hybridd on December 13, 2015, 01:31:23 am
well, as I stated before, my biggest problem with a enforcing PM-only is that the service doesn't self-spread. Anyone who doesn't use the bot has no way of (easily) learning about it without going out and searching the forums to try to find what its all about. As mentioned before, I think there are some ways to reduce the amount of posts the bot makes, and spoiler-tags reduces the visual-content/scrolling.

personally, I think we need smarter forums all together but... that's a whole other beast to tackle.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: cass on December 13, 2015, 01:34:13 am
ok yea this could work as well .. just want to let you how it feels from (my) user perspective :D
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 01:46:11 am
well, as I stated before, my biggest problem with a enforcing PM-only is that the service doesn't self-spread. Anyone who doesn't use the bot has no way of (easily) learning about it without going out and searching the forums to try to find what its all about. As mentioned before, I think there are some ways to reduce the amount of posts the bot makes, and spoiler-tags reduces the visual-content/scrolling.

personally, I think we need smarter forums all together but... that's a whole other beast to tackle.

well dont expect expect that to happen. yeh we have a revolutionary technology but apparently dont want to build anything that compliments it and enables us to use it to the best of all our abilities..
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: gamey on December 13, 2015, 02:20:00 am

The problem is that it is likely a minority that feels these UIAs will grow in value. If you do not believe that, you will likely find the posts more distracting than anything.

It costs the person giving the assets nothing once they set it up... but it spams everyone's use of the forum. When I heard 'tipbot' I at least thought it would be things of definite value. Tipping something that is worth $0.00 is not really tipping .. or $0.01.  I like the tipbot, but make tips be a dollar minimum or something.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: ebit on December 13, 2015, 04:05:06 am
I like tip bot,it is funy.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: donkeypong on December 13, 2015, 04:12:35 am
98% of the UIAs are crap. I think we need to recognize that, recognize that it takes more than a few friends to develop your UIA's economy of scale, and focus instead on the few currencies/assets that we want to build up and market. Dividing our efforts into all these different useless UIAs is not going to make the system stronger. If we want to grow, let's identify our strongest suits and push those hard.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 05:28:33 am
98% of the UIAs are crap. I think we need to recognize that, recognize that it takes more than a few friends to develop your UIA's economy of scale, and focus instead on the few currencies/assets that we want to build up and market. Dividing our efforts into all these different useless UIAs is not going to make the system stronger. If we want to grow, let's identify our strongest suits and push those hard.

so take away options...and dont give people a sandbox where they can test and create value themselves?  that is the opposite of ethereum...

I understand the idea of backing common efforts, but it is our island mentality that keeps us from getting to become a truly decentralized exchange (see seraphs proposal that seemingly failed) and keeps us with illiquid markets. 

It is interesting that people do not realize that this stuff is not going to be perfect out of the box and that we need to test and PLAY in order to find what works.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 05:32:24 am
interesting, btw, that this poll went from a lopsided no to a neck to neck run once we actually started talking about the MERITS of the sharebot (as opposed to skewing poll results by biasing the poll with early comments that ONLY talked about the negatives...

interesting to anyone else?
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xypher on December 13, 2015, 05:56:01 am
Disclaimer : The following is my (personal ) thought on the bot, and am not speaking as a representative of Freebieservers in this post. My stances could/would change, depending on the varying perspectives and insights I attain.



I'd first envisioned the bot to be a system of transfer of value. A means for individuals or companies to disperse tokens of value to the masses in an easy and intuitive fashion. In case you compare the bot with other systems the team ensured the redemption and delivery process was cut to the bare basics with no unwanted additions around it. Even when building the bot, kuro, hybridd and fuzzy did an incredibly amazing job of ensuring the community was heavily involved in testing and shipping the first iteration of the product. What am trying to state is, the system was built, for the people, by the people and intended to be a system of transfer of value from day 1.

However, where communities are involved, unintended consequences often emerge. The user cases for the bot in this forum is hilarious and sad at the same time. It is "fun" to see people tip +5% but am yet to see the economic implications of the same. Imagine, facebook had posts everywhere saying "You have been tipped 1 Like, go here to redeem it" , "You have been tipped  3 shares, go here to access it". It would look ugly. The system allows individuals to do certain things, but I believe the system was built to be a system of value transfer and not of tokens with no value inbuilt. That said, any token can be of value if individuals are purchasing / trading them. Due to the same, it is imminent that these tokens being made have substance beneath them - and individuals put in effort to show people why the tokens are of value. If all you want to say is "LOL" - then hey, why not have a better forum that allows you to express it without having to depend on a system of value transfer ?

Personally, I see the bot as an incredibly amazing system of value transfer. Just today I was hiring from a forum of gamers for a project and we had 25 applicants come in, and I sent out some bts as a form of  appreciating their interest. The bot permits me to create n number of links and send it. Imagine how amazing this will be for e-mail campaigns where we could integrate the links into the e-mails and "potential" customers could just click on the link and redeem access tokens to a newly released service ? How about dropping in the share url to a message you send to a vc ?  As a matter of fact, once the overhaul of electrons.io is out, I'll probably be demoing the simplicity of the system. Users will be able to
>Redeem bts with the click of a link
>Exchange bts to btc with a single transfer
These are functions that are as normal as breathing. Product design and user experiences have broken down to the bare minimum to make sense to the average joe on the internet.

I believe, the bot should stay on the forum, but I also see that it is emerging to be a form of spam. Increasingly, trolls have used it to make their point.
Power is a crazy thing to give to everyone, and yet it is what makes communities like these what it is. Its what adds essence to democracy.  It would be good to see a decrease in the misuse of the bot. However, I would like to emphasise on the fact that the bot is an incredible tool when it comes to empowering individuals to share their tokens of value within the community. Due to the same, this discussion shouldn't end with "yes, bot good" , "no, bot bad". Its got to evolve into "Yes, bot is good, but how do we ensure its used for good" . That would probably evolve this discussion into something along the lines of gun control, but if you truly want to see change, we'll need to tackle the tough questions.


I believe, great products cannot be run on the lines of democracy. Every ass in the world has an opinion and it is not possible to value all of them. However, great products also run upon the opinions and inputs of users. Therefore, I request each one of you to suggest changes we can make and we can work in a constructive fashion towards improving what we have here.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 06:29:01 am
[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] thanks for the candid input.  However i (somewhat) disagree with the analogy of facebook on this one.  Faction tokens or other tokens that show someone was at a certai ace at a certain time, or worked on a specific project can carry value simply by marking people of value for specific reasons that may become valuable to others in the future. 

we are working in an area where there are MANY use cases that have yet to be uncovered and ig oring those usecases is ignoring the possibility that something little will become big. 

Id bet if michael jordan created a token (or basketball card) in his early days of basketball most people who knew his early coach woukd have said "this token has no value!"  well they would have tirned out to be idiots.  And it only takes one michael jordan (underdog) to change everything...

cutting our most innovative and creative community members' heads off before they even get a chance to TRY to build value--simy because others say its not valuable is  is a move not to take lightly...
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Samupaha on December 13, 2015, 06:40:05 am
At first I tried to be neutral on this, but now that I see you are ignoring opposite opinions, I have to say no. The bot is annoying and creates distraction on the forum.

I don't mind having the bot here, but you have to design it so that is not spamming all the time.

If users find the bot annoying, that's a fact you just have to accept. You can't change these kind of feelings by arguing against them. It's a design problem, not lack of understanding.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 06:46:15 am
At first I tried to be neutral on this, but now that I see you are ignoring opposite opinions, I have to say no. The bot is annoying and creates distraction on the forum.

I don't mind having the bot here, but you have to design it so that is not spamming all the time.

If users find the bot annoying, that's a fact you just have to accept. You can't change these kind of feelings by arguing against them. It's a design problem, not lack of understanding.

time out man. i am not ignoring the spam issue (read through all my comments and you will see one of the first things i said was that we already planned on moving to pm notifications after the testing phase was completed).  I am saying that what one person perceives as valuable is not what another does and we should be careful to put a bunch of rules in place to specifically keep people from creating and sharing on our SOCIAL HUB. Far better imho for the community to do the SAME THING they do with other forms of abuse--take it on a case by case basis.

to say i am advocating anything else is disingenuous.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: hybridd on December 13, 2015, 06:52:46 am
At first I tried to be neutral on this, but now that I see you are ignoring opposite opinions, I have to say no. The bot is annoying and creates distraction on the forum.

I don't mind having the bot here, but you have to design it so that is not spamming all the time.

If users find the bot annoying, that's a fact you just have to accept. You can't change these kind of feelings by arguing against them. It's a design problem, not lack of understanding.

use ignore button -> spam gone
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: donkeypong on December 13, 2015, 07:16:46 am
[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] thanks for the candid input.  However i (somewhat) disagree with the analogy of facebook on this one.  Faction tokens or other tokens that show someone was at a certai ace at a certain time, or worked on a specific project can carry value simply by marking people of value for specific reasons that may become valuable to others in the future. 

we are working in an area where there are MANY use cases that have yet to be uncovered and ig oring those usecases is ignoring the possibility that something little will become big. 

Id bet if michael jordan created a token (or basketball card) in his early days of basketball most people who knew his early coach woukd have said "this token has no value!"  well they would have tirned out to be idiots.  And it only takes one michael jordan (underdog) to change everything...

cutting our most innovative and creative community members' heads off before they even get a chance to TRY to build value--simy because others say its not valuable is  is a move not to take lightly...

Fuzzy, I'm not into cutting anybody off. Nowhere in my post did I mention anything like this. 6-12 months from now, everyone will come to the same conclusion, which was that we wasted time and resources on crapcoins when we could have promoted our top products and achieved some traction in the marketplace. How would we do so now? By ignoring the crapcoins and hoping they go away, tipping instead in BTS, USD, GOLD, and the things that count, currencies/assets that we as a community want to introduce to people.

When you build a building, you don't make it a mile wide; you lay some strong pillars and build upon them. If you wish, add to it later, once it's standing tall and strong. For the record, I think Freebie's post is EXCELLENT, every word of it. That post is REALLY well written.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 07:26:09 am
[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] thanks for the candid input.  However i (somewhat) disagree with the analogy of facebook on this one.  Faction tokens or other tokens that show someone was at a certai ace at a certain time, or worked on a specific project can carry value simply by marking people of value for specific reasons that may become valuable to others in the future. 

we are working in an area where there are MANY use cases that have yet to be uncovered and ig oring those usecases is ignoring the possibility that something little will become big. 

Id bet if michael jordan created a token (or basketball card) in his early days of basketball most people who knew his early coach woukd have said "this token has no value!"  well they would have tirned out to be idiots.  And it only takes one michael jordan (underdog) to change everything...

cutting our most innovative and creative community members' heads off before they even get a chance to TRY to build value--simy because others say its not valuable is  is a move not to take lightly...

Fuzzy, I'm not into cutting anybody off. Nowhere in my post did I mention anything like this. 6-12 months from now, everyone will come to the same conclusion, which was that we wasted time and resources on crapcoins when we could have promoted our top products and achieved some traction in the marketplace. How would we do so now? By ignoring the crapcoins and hoping they go away, tipping instead in BTS, USD, GOLD, and the things that count, currencies/assets that we as a community want to introduce to people.

When you build a building, you don't make it a mile wide; you lay some strong pillars and build upon them. If you wish, add to it later, once it's standing tall and strong. For the record, I think Freebie's post is EXCELLENT, every word of it. That post is REALLY well written.

Hey donkeypong.  I am not against you doing that?!  So I am unsure why you are against others doing something they want to do so long as it doesnt force you to do something you Don't Want to do. 

This is not a building.  This is a community and a decentralized one that is supposed to be here to change the world and help adhere to the principles of freedom and free markets.  If someone wants to create a shitcoin and pass it out, people will not use it...it will fall in value...and the person passing it out will eventually either stop sending it out or try to make it valuable. 

Why do you guys insist on forcing others to NOT send out tokens simply because you do not think they are valuable?
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Samupaha on December 13, 2015, 07:33:27 am
At first I tried to be neutral on this, but now that I see you are ignoring opposite opinions, I have to say no. The bot is annoying and creates distraction on the forum.

I don't mind having the bot here, but you have to design it so that is not spamming all the time.

If users find the bot annoying, that's a fact you just have to accept. You can't change these kind of feelings by arguing against them. It's a design problem, not lack of understanding.

use ignore button -> spam gone

It's still spam for people who aren't logged in.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xypher on December 13, 2015, 07:48:14 am
[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] thanks for the candid input.  However i (somewhat) disagree with the analogy of facebook on this one.  Faction tokens or other tokens that show someone was at a certai ace at a certain time, or worked on a specific project can carry value simply by marking people of value for specific reasons that may become valuable to others in the future. 

we are working in an area where there are MANY use cases that have yet to be uncovered and ig oring those usecases is ignoring the possibility that something little will become big. 

Id bet if michael jordan created a token (or basketball card) in his early days of basketball most people who knew his early coach woukd have said "this token has no value!"  well they would have tirned out to be idiots.  And it only takes one michael jordan (underdog) to change everything...

cutting our most innovative and creative community members' heads off before they even get a chance to TRY to build value--simy because others say its not valuable is  is a move not to take lightly...

Noone's saying lets take the bot down completely Fuzzy.
They are rightfully discussing the implications of improving the design / delivery mode of the bot.
While I don't concur with the thread owner's (fav's) view, I believe there is space to find the balance between utility and design.
I have personally never opposed brownie promotions because I have seen you try to add value to them.
Can we say the same about every coin on here?


At first I tried to be neutral on this, but now that I see you are ignoring opposite opinions, I have to say no. The bot is annoying and creates distraction on the forum.

I don't mind having the bot here, but you have to design it so that is not spamming all the time.

If users find the bot annoying, that's a fact you just have to accept. You can't change these kind of feelings by arguing against them. It's a design problem, not lack of understanding.

Rightfully mentioned. The design  / delivery of the bot can be revamped to accommodate the sentiments of these users.
It doesn't necessarily mean taking down the bot -just edits here and there.
We could discuss this internally and make it happen.


The way I see it, Bitshares is having an "image" issue at the moment.
On one side is CNX woo'ing banks and the lot  - so we need to come off as professionals (or do we? )
On the other side is the struggle to attain the average users - gamers, web surfers etc, so we need to be accomodative and intuitive to the average internet joe.
And somewhere in between there's a crowd that's all about web security, liberty, freedom and all that - discussing drugs? 
Its a common thing to have in communities and companies.
Even FS is having that issue off late -with us starting off with gaming in our core, being a web dev in between and dabbling with fintech off late.
Finding that fine balance between quirky and professionalism is going to be tough.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 13, 2015, 08:00:55 am
Why do you guys insist on forcing others to NOT send out tokens simply because you do not think they are valuable?

lulz

afaict most people think the original "crapcoin" is BROWNIE.PTS. [member=11011]tonyk[/member]

I don't understand the issue with the rest of us having our own "crapcoin" to mark our scent on those we like.

What's really perplexing is the fact that I got the idea for CRAPCOIN from a dozen or so others here using the word "crapcoin" repeatedly.

And guess what, not a single person complained when they used the word. That's what's so damn odd.

No one said a word all of this time when other people used the word "crapcoin" on the forum, but as soon as a UIA shows up called CRAPCOIN, suddenly it's offensive, it will drive people away and on and on.

The cognitive dissonance is soooo strong on this forum at times it's baffling and hilarious at the same time.

To be honest I don't really care what any of you think about the UIA's I gave my own money to create and helped fund the BitShares network by doing so.

Basically I just threw money at the BTS network so I could have some fun and spread some joy among those I like or those that contribute to the BTS network.

If the complaint is "teh spam!" from the bot, it's been said at least a dozen times already, just ignore the damn tip bot!

If you don't like seeing people give out tokens of appreciation, ignore those users too, it's actually a very simple solution that takes a few seconds.

If you just don't like me, which appears to be the case since no one complained about the word "crapcoin" until I created the UIA, guess what IDGAF.

Put me on ignore and save everyone else the hassle of having to read your whining about how others spend their money on the BitShares network.

If you didn't want people to create UIA's why the f do you let people create UIA's? 

BitShares : "Hey we're BitShares and we have UIA's!!!"

Users : "Great I'll come to BitShares and spend my money to create some fun UIA's, like Dan did."

BitShares : "DAFUQ IS THIS!?!! BAN THIS PERSON!!!"

Most of you guys/gals crack me up and sadden me for the future of BitShares at the same time.

On top of all that nonsense, your mod banned one of the largest stake holders in the system over some childish comments he made in English, which doesn't appear to be his native language, and the approving handful cried "abuse!".

Great job guise!

You guys enjoy banning your largest stakeholders over a rant and see where that gets you over the next 6 months.

OK, I'm done ranting myself for a few months. Rejoice!

You can go back to your cognitive dissonance and overreactions without me pointing it out to you, for awhile.  ;)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 08:05:10 am
Noone's saying lets take the bot down completely Fuzzy.

Look at the name of the poll bro...It doesn't get much more obvious. 
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xypher on December 13, 2015, 08:08:14 am
Yea so?
Just because there's a poll doesn't mean it has to happen.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Empirical1.2 on December 13, 2015, 08:14:02 am
I haven't read this thread.

The way tipping is currently handled is essentially spamming the forum.

Outside the forum, it's also not good for BitShares image when

1. You tip someone on or outside this forum and people take the time to find out what it is and discover the tip has no value.
2. You tip someone and it is does have value but not enough to cover the transaction fee to convert it. 
(This can only be solved by lowering  the TX fee for claiming tips.)

In order to solve no.1

To avoid spamming, a forum, or outside tip should have a minimum value. 





Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 13, 2015, 08:30:07 am
2. You tip someone and it is does have value but not enough to cover the transaction fee to convert it. 

As I informed Amanda @ The Daily Decrypt, HODL!

Accumulate more tips until it's worthwhile to cashout or just pass them around if you like.

Have any of you ever used Dogecoin?

It's as if this entire tipping culture is foreign to most of the people here.

Tips are a Community builder. The token doesn't need to have any value whatsoever.

The fact that you received a gift from someone that cared about what you did is the value!

Some of you seem like the kind of people who get a cheap gift from Grandma over the Holidays and as soon as she leaves the room, "What a piece of crap! Can you believe she bought me this ugly ass T-Shirt!", to the other ungrateful bunghole in the room.  :P

Edit : Well damn, I didn't last 10 minutes, lulz.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xypher on December 13, 2015, 08:35:03 am
[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] thanks for the candid input.  However i (somewhat) disagree with the analogy of facebook on this one.  Faction tokens or other tokens that show someone was at a certai ace at a certain time, or worked on a specific project can carry value simply by marking people of value for specific reasons that may become valuable to others in the future. 

we are working in an area where there are MANY use cases that have yet to be uncovered and ig oring those usecases is ignoring the possibility that something little will become big. 

Id bet if michael jordan created a token (or basketball card) in his early days of basketball most people who knew his early coach woukd have said "this token has no value!"  well they would have tirned out to be idiots.  And it only takes one michael jordan (underdog) to change everything...

cutting our most innovative and creative community members' heads off before they even get a chance to TRY to build value--simy because others say its not valuable is  is a move not to take lightly...

Fuzzy, I'm not into cutting anybody off. Nowhere in my post did I mention anything like this. 6-12 months from now, everyone will come to the same conclusion, which was that we wasted time and resources on crapcoins when we could have promoted our top products and achieved some traction in the marketplace. How would we do so now? By ignoring the crapcoins and hoping they go away, tipping instead in BTS, USD, GOLD, and the things that count, currencies/assets that we as a community want to introduce to people.

When you build a building, you don't make it a mile wide; you lay some strong pillars and build upon them. If you wish, add to it later, once it's standing tall and strong. For the record, I think Freebie's post is EXCELLENT, every word of it. That post is REALLY well written.


Thank you for the kind words mate.
I'd like to add to what I stated. Every product has this "cycle" of confusion in regards to its user cases and identity over a period of time. Instagram had users uploading porn, twitter had individuals botting them and facebook had the entire fiasco of fake identities. Its normal. To cut down a product, on basis of a few downsides is incredibly wrong, especially when there have been well over 3000 Transactions generated as a result of the platform. As a marketing tool, the bot stands out to be at the forefront thanks to its ease of use. Even in the forum, the bot is  a means of crowd-funding and transferring value. We cannot put a poll on the future and decide upon it. The reason why companies like google, twitter etc win is not because they have a poll that says "Yes/no" -but rather a hands on approach on looking into what the potential solutions are. Keeping in line with the same line of thought, here is one solution.


. A plugin could show the number of tips received by the post right below the post, instead of the need for a seperate post each time the bot delivers a tip. This can be a tiny emoji at the bottom of the post. On hovering over it, it would show who tipped what and how much.

I don't think new members will be hindered by the emotions and meme's here.
What do you expect to attract them with ?
Financial charts and stories of losses due to lack of updates?

Keep the community vibrant and active, its the only thing that's going to help this community grow. By instilling rules and dictatorship across the board, you are solely limiting what his community can be. Where has 2 years of dictatorship taken us anyways ? Can we statistically prove that there has been an increase in adoption ? We can realistically do that with the bot over a period of time.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: cass on December 13, 2015, 08:43:10 am
short break .. watch and smile :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVVNuraly8

Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: mint chocolate chip on December 13, 2015, 08:52:04 am
Just an idea I had for some middle ground, it might be better if tipping was confined to a single thread. Tips and confirmations all in one spot,  and only forum tips generated in that thread would actually work. Those who want to tip because someone said something significant, can quote or post a link to the comment next to the tip code in the tipping thread. This would be good for a few reasons, but in the very least, when I click 'Show unread posts since last visit', I wouldn't be alerted to a tip confirmation post.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 13, 2015, 08:52:13 am
What do you expect to attract them with ?
Financial charts and stories of losses due to lack of updates?

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/O0oo0.gif)  :P

Keep the community vibrant and active, its the only thing that's going to help this community grow. By instilling rules and dictatorship across the board, you are solely limiting what his community can be. Where has 2 years of dictatorship taken us anyways ? Can we statistically prove that there has been an increase in adoption ? We can realistically do that with the bot over a period of time.

#sharebits "Freebieservers" 1000 FISTBUMP
#sharebits "Freebieservers" 110 PERCENT
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: btstip on December 13, 2015, 08:53:57 am
Hey Tuck Fheman, here are the results of your tips...
Curious about ShareBits? Visit us at http://sharebits.io and start tipping BTS on https://bitsharestalk.org/ today!
Source: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20584.msg265837/topicseen.html#msg265837
Created by hybridd (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40140)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 13, 2015, 08:57:20 am
short break .. watch and smile :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVVNuraly8

Ha!
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 13, 2015, 09:00:56 am
Just an idea I had for some middle ground, it might be better if tipping was confined to a single thread. Tips and confirmations all in one spot,  and only forum tips generated in that thread would actually work. Those who want to tip because someone said something significant, can quote or post a link to the comment next to the tip code in the tipping thread.

I have no issues with that, although it is inconvenient.  :-\

I like the emoji idea better though.

Keep the suggestions coming until we have the brilliant solution everyone loves!
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 13, 2015, 09:13:23 am
I like the tipbot, but make tips be a dollar minimum or something.

How?
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 13, 2015, 09:17:33 am
Yea so?
Just because there's a poll doesn't mean it has to happen.

At least one is not over-dramatising. Consider this as an indicator to change the design.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 13, 2015, 09:20:03 am
Just an idea I had for some middle ground, it might be better if tipping was confined to a single thread. Tips and confirmations all in one spot,  and only forum tips generated in that thread would actually work. Those who want to tip because someone said something significant, can quote or post a link to the comment next to the tip code in the tipping thread. This would be good for a few reasons, but in the very least, when I click 'Show unread posts since last visit', I wouldn't be alerted to a tip confirmation post.

You could use the @mention function to let them know they received a tip in the tipping thread.

Good idea  +5%
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xypher on December 13, 2015, 09:24:13 am
Yea so?
Just because there's a poll doesn't mean it has to happen.

At least one is not over-dramatising. Consider this as an indicator to change the design.

Yes.
Having that said, I believe the matter could be presented in a  better fashion.
Reaching out to the team and discussing a way to settle this would have been a lot more smarter in my opinion.
We had always maintained that the posts by the bot will be removed as the project grows and spam has been in our view since early on.
When people work 24/7 in building communities they tend to take things very personally.
People say "Sorry, nothing personal, its just business", but some of the members I know here are so engrossed in business, sometimes, anything against one's business, becomes absolutely personal. I experienced this in the past so I know what it feels like.

If all of us just got on counterstrike servers and decided to kill each other every time we got stressed, I think decision making would have been a lot more easier and fun. Recommended Fuzzy too - to go play some CS for a bit.  Maybe we could do a CS session instead of the mumble session some day.

I see some good inputs from the members here and am glad to see that the thread has gone from an all out offensive to a collaborative effort to fix things.

Sometimes, being in biz dev in crypto..feels a lot like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-hUV9yhqgY

... but it does come up with some ingenious solutions.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 13, 2015, 09:28:10 am
Yea so?
Just because there's a poll doesn't mean it has to happen.

At least one is not over-dramatising. Consider this as an indicator to change the design.

Yes.
Having that said, I believe the matter could be presented in a  better fashion.
Reaching out to the team and discussing a way to settle this would have been a lot more smarter in my opinion.
We had always maintained that the posts by the bot will be removed as the project grows and spam has been in our view since early on.
When people work 24/7 in building communities they tend to take things very personally.
People say "Sorry, nothing personal, its just business", but some of the members I know here are so engrossed in business, sometimes, anything against one's business, becomes absolutely personal. I experienced this in the past so I know what it feels like.

If all of us just got on counterstrike servers and decided to kill each other every time we got stressed, I think decision making would have been a lot more easier and fun. Recommended Fuzzy too - to go play some CS for a bit.  Maybe we could do a CS session instead of the mumble session some day.

I see some good inputs from the members here and am glad to see that the thread has gone from an all out offensive to a collaborative effort to fix things.

Sometimes, being in biz dev in crypto..feels a lot like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-hUV9yhqgY

... but it does come up with some ingenious solutions.

Heh, I'd be up for some cs.

I'm doing as I see fit for the forum. If there has to be a controversial topic to make a dialogue happen, so be it. It's better to get this done now before people start to leave.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Empirical1.2 on December 13, 2015, 09:30:30 am
2. You tip someone and it is does have value but not enough to cover the transaction fee to convert it. 

As I informed Amanda @ The Daily Decrypt, HODL!

Accumulate more tips until it's worthwhile to cashout or just pass them around if you like.

Have any of you ever used Dogecoin?

It's as if this entire tipping culture is foreign to most of the people here.

Tips are a Community builder. The token doesn't need to have any value whatsoever.

Dogecoin is a great example

http://www.coindesk.com/dogetipbot-turned-spoof-altcoin-tipping-phenomenon/
http://www.coindesk.com/social-tipping-tool-meme-dogecoin-445k/

- The median tip size is $0.03 with the average in the Reddit sample being $0.2
- All tips are in 'Dogecoin' so it builds the brand & as all tips are in the same denomination you can accumulate smaller tips over time.

Spamming multiple valueless tokens is not as community or brand building imo. In fact it harms the brand because people associate BitShares or the tipbot with tokens that have no value and as a result you don't convert customers even if you tip them with one that does because they won't take the time to investigate.

Having an enforced/guideline minimum value per token or tip, somewhere close to the Dogecoin median or at least above $0.02 would help solve the problem imo.


Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xypher on December 13, 2015, 09:31:30 am
Yea so?
Just because there's a poll doesn't mean it has to happen.

At least one is not over-dramatising. Consider this as an indicator to change the design.

Yes.
Having that said, I believe the matter could be presented in a  better fashion.
Reaching out to the team and discussing a way to settle this would have been a lot more smarter in my opinion.
We had always maintained that the posts by the bot will be removed as the project grows and spam has been in our view since early on.
When people work 24/7 in building communities they tend to take things very personally.
People say "Sorry, nothing personal, its just business", but some of the members I know here are so engrossed in business, sometimes, anything against one's business, becomes absolutely personal. I experienced this in the past so I know what it feels like.

If all of us just got on counterstrike servers and decided to kill each other every time we got stressed, I think decision making would have been a lot more easier and fun. Recommended Fuzzy too - to go play some CS for a bit.  Maybe we could do a CS session instead of the mumble session some day.

I see some good inputs from the members here and am glad to see that the thread has gone from an all out offensive to a collaborative effort to fix things.

Sometimes, being in biz dev in crypto..feels a lot like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-hUV9yhqgY

... but it does come up with some ingenious solutions.

Heh, I'd be up for some cs.

I'm doing as I see fit for the forum. If there has to be a controversial topic to make a dialogue happen, so be it. It's better to get this done now before people start to leave.

Fav, I don't see how a completed product, doing exactly what it was designed to do will hinder people more in comparison with the countless delays in the product's that haven't been delivered / been delayed / haven't had updates. That said, I wouldn't want something I / fuzzy was involved with hindering growth and due to the same its good that we are having an open discussion on things.

Yes, CS match, tomorrow noon ?
[member=38688]kuro112[/member]  would (probably) be able to join.
We could take bets on the matches too..soon.
(hint : imminent product release pointer)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 13, 2015, 09:32:42 am
2. You tip someone and it is does have value but not enough to cover the transaction fee to convert it. 

As I informed Amanda @ The Daily Decrypt, HODL!

Accumulate more tips until it's worthwhile to cashout or just pass them around if you like.

Have any of you ever used Dogecoin?

It's as if this entire tipping culture is foreign to most of the people here.

Tips are a Community builder. The token doesn't need to have any value whatsoever.

Dogecoin is a great example

http://www.coindesk.com/dogetipbot-turned-spoof-altcoin-tipping-phenomenon/
http://www.coindesk.com/social-tipping-tool-meme-dogecoin-445k/

- The median tip size is $0.03 with the average in the Reddit sample being $0.2
- All tips are in 'Dogecoin' so it builds the brand & as all tips are in the same denomination you can accumulate smaller tips over time.

Spamming multiple valueless tokens is not as community or brand building imo. In fact it harms the brand because people associate BitShares or the tipbot with tokens that have no value and as a result you don't convert customers even if you tip them with one that does because they won't take the time to investigate.

Having an enforced/guideline minimum value per token or tip, somewhere close to the Dogecoin median or at least above $0.02 would help solve the problem imo.

But failed as a product. Dev stopped working on it and open sourced the bit
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Empirical1.2 on December 13, 2015, 09:36:45 am
I'm a fan of the tipbot/sharebits and believe it has a bright future, if it gains a bit of traction, it's will also probably provide one of the best arguments for having lower TX fees, which I think Fav is against, so I hope the issues can be resolved.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: monsterer on December 13, 2015, 12:01:30 pm
I think the tipbot can add value when it is tipping actual currency, like BTS, bitUSD etc - things which have value, no these worthless tokens, no offence intended to their creators :)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 13, 2015, 12:09:58 pm
Dogecoin is a great example

I agree.

It would have been worthwhile had you left in the part of what I said that made your next point moot. But alas, it was selectively removed.  :-\

The fact that you received a gift from someone that cared about what you did is the value!
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Empirical1.2 on December 13, 2015, 12:18:47 pm
Dogecoin is a great example

I agree.

It would have been worthwhile had you left in the part of what I said that made your next point moot. But alas, it was selectively removed.  :-\

The fact that you received a gift from someone that cared about what you did is the value!

If Dogecoin had no monetary value it would be fairly pointless tipping them.

In terms of your 'it's the thought that counts'

I would say a thoughtful compliment &  +5% is a much greater forum gift then being given multiple worthless tokens by creators who think spamming them in this manner will help bootstrap them.

I think the tipbot can add value when it is tipping actual currency, like BTS, bitUSD etc - things which have value, no these worthless tokens, no offence intended to their creators :)

 +5%  Tipping with BitUSD will be huge in terms of the network effect it could help generate. (If TX fee to claim was lower)
I think some tokens could gain traction but I'm in favour of them having a minimum tipping/token value & perhaps Sharebits/tipbot should charge a registration fee too (if they don't already) as a way to generate income and to avoid being used for spamming.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 13, 2015, 12:38:15 pm
In terms of your 'it's the thought that counts'
I would say a thoughtful compliment &  +5% is a much greater forum gift then being given multiple worthless tokens by creators who think spamming them in this manner will help bootstrap them.

I got the idea from Dan actually.

I'm not spamming and I'm not trying to bootstrap anything.

I'm not trying to make money off of UIA's lol. That's ridiculous. I did give tips to others on how they could.

I'm freely giving my UIA's away to people in the BitShares community and advertising Sharebits, which is built on the BitShares platform and invested in by people in this Community.

If people want to buy a UIA, that's their business and they're pretty damn cheap. But if they waited long enough they'd probably end up with plenty for free.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: bitacer on December 13, 2015, 01:09:47 pm
I think the bot is running stable and testing should be over soon.

Is there any tutorial showing how to setup sharebits, I would like to know :
1- Whats a security code, what daoes it do and how do get it ?
2- How do I connect it witm my forum account?
3- Is ıt possıble to withdraw the same funds previously deposited into the account.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 13, 2015, 01:11:52 pm
I think the bot is running stable and testing should be over soon.

Is there any tutorial showing how to setup sharebits, I would like to know :
1- Whats a security code, what daoes it do and how do get it ?
2- How do I connect it witm my forum account?
3- Is ıt possıble to withdraw the same funds previously deposited into the account.

that's easy!

go to sharebits.io
click the robot to sign in
use your forum name

in order to withdraw, you need a security code that's messaged to your forum name and is proof that you're actually using sharebits.

I attached my forum name to my twitter sign-in, so you won't need a bot message for example
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: bitacer on December 13, 2015, 01:16:41 pm
I think the bot is running stable and testing should be over soon.

Is there any tutorial showing how to setup sharebits, I would like to know :
1- Whats a security code, what daoes it do and how do get it ?
2- How do I connect it witm my forum account?
3- Is ıt possıble to withdraw the same funds previously deposited into the account.

that's easy!

go to sharebits.io
click the robot to sign in
use your forum name

in order to withdraw, you need a security code that's messaged to your forum name and is proof that you're actually using sharebits.

I attached my forum name to my twitter sign-in, so you won't need a bot message for example

thats the thing I dont get security message
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 13, 2015, 01:18:13 pm
I think the bot is running stable and testing should be over soon.

Is there any tutorial showing how to setup sharebits, I would like to know :
1- Whats a security code, what daoes it do and how do get it ?
2- How do I connect it witm my forum account?
3- Is ıt possıble to withdraw the same funds previously deposited into the account.

that's easy!

go to sharebits.io
click the robot to sign in
use your forum name

in order to withdraw, you need a security code that's messaged to your forum name and is proof that you're actually using sharebits.

I attached my forum name to my twitter sign-in, so you won't need a bot message for example

thats the thing I dont get security message

you mean you don't receive the security code?

[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member]
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: bitacer on December 13, 2015, 01:19:29 pm
I think the bot is running stable and testing should be over soon.

Is there any tutorial showing how to setup sharebits, I would like to know :
1- Whats a security code, what daoes it do and how do get it ?
2- How do I connect it witm my forum account?
3- Is ıt possıble to withdraw the same funds previously deposited into the account.

that's easy!

go to sharebits.io
click the robot to sign in
use your forum name

in order to withdraw, you need a security code that's messaged to your forum name and is proof that you're actually using sharebits.

I attached my forum name to my twitter sign-in, so you won't need a bot message for example

thats the thing I dont get security message

you mean you don't receive the security code?

[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member]

thats correct I dont
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xypher on December 13, 2015, 01:46:03 pm
I think the bot is running stable and testing should be over soon.

Is there any tutorial showing how to setup sharebits, I would like to know :
1- Whats a security code, what daoes it do and how do get it ?
2- How do I connect it witm my forum account?
3- Is ıt possıble to withdraw the same funds previously deposited into the account.

that's easy!

go to sharebits.io
click the robot to sign in
use your forum name

in order to withdraw, you need a security code that's messaged to your forum name and is proof that you're actually using sharebits.

I attached my forum name to my twitter sign-in, so you won't need a bot message for example

thats the thing I dont get security message

you mean you don't receive the security code?

[member=32130]Freebieservers[/member]

thats correct I dont

Very weird.
I saw a similar experience here
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19852.msg265455.html#msg265455

[member=40140]hybridd[/member]  can you please help bitacer out?

Regards
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: bitacer on December 13, 2015, 02:31:09 pm
Just a sec I got it , my bad .
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xypher on December 13, 2015, 02:32:11 pm
Just a sec I got it , my bad .

Great!
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 06:44:49 pm
Yea so?
Just because there's a poll doesn't mean it has to happen.

At least one is not over-dramatising. Consider this as an indicator to change the design.

As for "over dramatizing" bro...let me just post my comment to you via pm before this started apparently blowing up.  Since you deemed in unimportant to even respond to my pm much less change the post accordingly, you have forced my hand on this [member=31]fav[/member]. 

To all those who want to see a little bit of a window into why i'm beginning to question fav's intentions here:

please read https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20584.msg265594.html#msg265594

I'm not lobbying against the bot, it's just that many people are complaining about how its run currently.

It comes across that way as you didn't really post anything positive about the bot but only the negatives.  Now if you had said something to the effect of:

"Here are the Pros as I see it"
and then
"Here are the Cons as I see it"

Then I can agree you are not lobbying against it.  However, your first post in that thread comes across as you are lobbying against it...and it is pretty apparent because I was notified by others who were concerned you were.   

So maybe it is in order to change the initial post so those reading it are not biased by a primarily negative statement that misses all the value propositions of the bot?  This should be pretty obvious fav...

So you are either incapable of satisfactorily running polls (have you never heard of bias??  have you ever taken a statistics class?) 
Or you have an agenda.  I noticed you were plenty busy commenting elsewhere so it isn't like you were not on the forums and I can pretty much guarantee you saw it. 

Hilariously because you biased the poll (not to mention naming it completely incorrectly for your "stated purposes" by telling everyone what you thought and FAILING to even cover the good aspects (aka pros and cons?), when I first saw it...it looked pretty damned certain that the bot was dead. 

It was 17 for and 3 against.  Then I spoke up and began protecting all we have worked so hard for to show people what you refused to show even after I asked you to.  Now that you can see because I fought back and showed people another side, your poll has failed at destroying it. 

Now with that all said.  Let me say one final thing.  Let me give you a piece of advice.  If you wanted to really "help" the bot become something people wanted...you would have approached it in one of the following ways:

1)  Post a thread asking if people are having issues with the bot in its current iteration (you know...because projects should go through it and constantly aim to improve based on user feedback).  THEN you could have compiled alllllll those questions and concerns and put them in a succinct list and posted a poll asking if these should be changed or fixed in some way...and ask for feedback as to HOW. 

2)  Go to the following open thread (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20090.msg258215.html#msg258215) and post comments and concerns there.

The frustration I feel has nothing to do with the bot...and everything to do with how you approached it (and ignored my pleas to change the context to provide something closer to a actual representative dataset).  Also, I am beginning to get frustrated that some community members seem to think they have a grasp on what is valuable and what isn't.  I have news for them...none of you (including myself) know if bts is even valuable.  It gains value from our willingness to never give up on it and continue improving until it does work closely to how test users would like.  I completely agree with [member=8747]Tuck Fheman[/member] that this is essentially the exact same thing as halting freedom of speech on the forums.  Yes I agree we can search for a means by which we can fix the spam issue (this has never been a point of contention for me).  However none of us has a place to tell someone else what tokens they can and can't make and share in this ecosystem--and if that happens we have lost the primary purpose for why we started this quest for financial freedom in the first place and should ask ourselves if we are any better than the corrupt players who we are trying to disintermediate. 

And then...of course, fav...there is you openly lying to our community to tell them all that the bot is out of Open Beta.  Did you ask me?  Did you ask [member=38688]kuro112[/member]?  Did you ask [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member]  or maybe [member=40140]hybridd[/member] told you?  Perhaps ronny [member=23432]ccedk[/member] did? 

If not....I'd love if you would take your position within this community more seriously as it is one with a GREAT DEAL of power.  And we all know what it means to have great power...great responsibility.  I wonder...would you disintermediate yourself if you had to?
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 06:52:42 pm
Just for fun, I'll give you guys the other pm's I sent [member=31]fav[/member] to ensure it didn't reach this level.  Again he did not respond other than the single time you saw his response above. 

The following was a post
what is the problem you are having these days with the bot and why are you actively trying to get people to vote for us not to use it?

I am interested in ironing this stuff out as opposed to causing needless drama because to be honest I don't have the time or the care to get into a shitstorm
Apparently [member=31]fav[/member] wants to make me out to be overly dramatic, however it seems he had no problem allowing the provocation to continue. 

Then here is yet another where I specifically ask for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and to connect to those who have the problems. 

please read https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20584.msg265594.html#msg265594

I'm not lobbying against the bot, it's just that many people are complaining about how its run currently.

who is complaining btw?  can you have them reach out to me with constructive ideas so I can help?


So I guess the questions running through my mind are:
1) Why, precisely, am I not able to know who complained (do they even exist?)
2) If they do, why don't they offer constructive feedback openly in the forums or approach me?  Instead they approached fav (if they exist--which I still have no proof of, btw) and ironically it ended up with a poll that obviously biased the results and based it off of a very important lie---that the Open Beta was over.   

Don't throw the childish or overly dramatic card at me buddy.  To most anyone who reads through this entire thread and is capable of empathy, it will be blatantly apparent why this is frustrating.  Because it was you not me, who was childish. 

May I ask, btw, how you became moderator?  Did you just volunteer or did you get a bunch of votes in?  I question this because I'm beginning to see a new side of you that I didn't know existed before... and it concerns me.  I wonder if you are going to be willing to lie about other projects in the future that might make BitShares take off...and considering you promote other tokens who are competitors to bitshares, it is a hard pill to swallow that it isn't possible they would approach you at key points to destroy projects (and pay you behind the scenes to do so). 

@all Moderators should be paid a salary here on these forums and should also should be voted into power, having a specific amount of time before having to be voted back in.  If this is not how it has been happening (which I can be pretty certain as a mod of the beyond bitcoin section that it isn't) ...we should consider that instead of putting people down for making their own tokens that others might not think are valuable.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: BunkerChainLabs-com on December 13, 2015, 08:55:32 pm
Just an idea I had for some middle ground, it might be better if tipping was confined to a single thread. Tips and confirmations all in one spot,  and only forum tips generated in that thread would actually work. Those who want to tip because someone said something significant, can quote or post a link to the comment next to the tip code in the tipping thread. This would be good for a few reasons, but in the very least, when I click 'Show unread posts since last visit', I wouldn't be alerted to a tip confirmation post.

Well after going through this thread.. this was what was going through my mind until [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] here posted it (great minds). If you want to maintain the public network effect and not make it spam the forum, simply push all those tip bot messages to a single thread of its own. Anybody who comes around can just as easily see that thread and wonder what its about and look into it yada yada.

This would eliminate which I think the real sore point is for most, the messages disrupting discussion threads.

Like all tools, it should be used with wisdom. You can use a screw driver to build something, or plunge it through someones skull and kill them.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 13, 2015, 09:12:04 pm
Like all tools, it should be used with wisdom.
Wish this would have been the OP of this thread...imagine how beautifully it would have come across had [member=31]fav[/member] gone this route. 

I imagine a "Recent Completed Bounties and Sharedrops" section...or something to that effect.  Then people can go there and look to see what quests are being offered and see by whom they are being offered along with the token rewards.  Groups of people could even pool together their own tokens (which would make it more likely that all the tokens accepted would be considered to have some level of value by all other parties) to make quests...

This whole discussion really makes me think of how bitcoiners laughed at Doge and said it was worthless...and still how others outside crypto think "bitcoin is worthless".  80% of all this is network effect...and just because we disagree with another person's methods of attaining that effect doesn't mean they will fail and prove us right.  Ask michael jordan ;)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: tbone on December 13, 2015, 09:37:33 pm
It's pretty obvious the tip bot has value.  And I thank Fuzzy for all of his efforts to make it happen.  Of course, we do need to be careful of the spam component.  As far as that goes, there have been some good ideas posted on this thread and I would propose some hybrid of what has been suggested.   

For example, there is viral marketing value in posting the confirmations for everyone to see in the same forum each tips is initiated from.  But the volume of these messages would be enough to annoy some people.  So I would propose having a value threshold a) below which the tip confirmation would be sent as a PM and/or posted on a dedicated tipping thread, and b) above which the confirmation would be displayed on the same thread.  I don't know what that threshold should be.  But it should be high enough to keep the volume well below nuisance level yet still have a viral, curiosity-invoking factor. 

As for any suggestion that the initiating tip message itself should be limited to a dedicated thread, that is as preposterous as saying people cannot give a +5% except in a dedicated thread.  You can't stop people from typing what they want to type (within limits of decency, of course).

P.S.  Whoever said fuzzy has an ego must be off his rocker.  I've never witnessed fuzzy come across like that.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: bang-king on December 13, 2015, 09:57:47 pm
The fact that there are people complaining about the bot means there are people using it.   And this whole debate is about the misuse of the bot and not the bot itself.

Sharebits allows people to share their LOVE for one another.  It's awesome.

Fuzzy, you are doing a good job.  Keep it up!

Btw.  This should applies to all project's UI on Bitshares, "The less clicks i have to do to get something done the better.  K.I.S.S."
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Thom on December 13, 2015, 10:16:43 pm
As for any suggestion that the initiating tip message itself should be limited to a dedicated thread, that is as preposterous as saying people cannot give a +5% except in a dedicated thread.

I agree with this, but I also think the bot should be changed to eliminate the extra posts. Many people continue to comment about the spam aspect of the bot (which I am sympathetic towards),  but fail to acknowledge that point has been discussed ad nauseum. Let's just agree that aspect will be dealt with and move on to how.

Freebieservers suggested the info currently provided in a separate post could be added to the signature area as a tooltip / hover help. Another suggestion is to move it to PMs. I like the signature option myself, as it also preserves the context within which the tip is provided. I'm sure there are other ways this info can be presented that won't spam the threads, at least no more than "bump", +5% or ^^^THIS etc.

I presume it's fairly easy to update the SMF DB to add a footer or other markup to a msg with the tipbot info.

If you have suggestions for improvements offer them up here. But don't complain about spam b/c that issue (not the specific way it will be fixed) has been acknowledged as needed fixing.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: mangou007 on December 14, 2015, 12:03:31 am
As I see it, the sharebot is a GREAT idea. Of course maybe not in its final stage now but can you name me one project perfectly handled and finished as the day of today? NONE...

It has so many possibilities, the only misses it can have is the messages which will be fixed I am sure of it.

But how many of you guys have seen a little bit further than their own nose? It is in testing right now, yeah it has some flaws... But tomorrow? Are we working in the same direction? All of us?
Cause I personally can see SO MUCH opportunities marketing wise to this project, as well as a community gatherer movement!!!!
Stop beeng blindfolded and stop killing projects while they still are in the egg... That is not how we will achieve what we all want...

You have my full support for this project, it is a really a great idea IMO.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: merivercap on December 14, 2015, 12:23:26 am
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 14, 2015, 02:08:38 am
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

I love people having innovative ideas....
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: hybridd on December 14, 2015, 05:28:45 am
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

Plugin development is a tedious process for smf.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Tuck Fheman on December 14, 2015, 05:39:48 am
The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

Plugin development is a tedious process for smf.

Interesting. I brought up this very thing today, since I've seen several discussions about the forum software.

I figured if we're wanting to switch software, let's go ahead and take more Community control of the administration of the forum as well.

I'm open to ideas and willing to contribute what I can to get that done.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: merivercap on December 14, 2015, 08:22:12 am
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

I love people having innovative ideas....

Thanks! 

Yeah also there's a lot of interesting potential with tips/UIAs on the web and even building a Wordpress plugin.  First off you get value indicators on content based on the value of tips each website gets so that can enhance search quality by adding a monetary dimension to rankings.   Monetary indicators are good, but UIA's can also represent reputation.  If Peter Thiel or someone famous gave out his personal social currency UIA tips, people can follow his tips all around the web. (In addition to leaving his footprint on the web, he can also just use it to organize his bookmarks)  It's no longer how many facebook likes you get, but who liked the content and these reputation points are cryptographically secure.   One problem is if you give out personal recommendation points it may be better that you only recognize the first transaction.  Otherwise if the person who receives Thiel points forwards it as a tip to some other website it won't have the same effect as if Thiel himself had sent it.  These points can just be redeemed for stuff Thiel produces like a book or access to his time.   Thus when someone receives Thiel points, they can redeem it for something Thiel offers or sell it to others who want what Thiel offers.... anyways a lot of interesting things you can do.....

This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

Plugin development is a tedious process for smf.

Yeah I figured it would be a bit complicated to do, but I'm sure we can collaborate with Bitsapphire...
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Xypher on December 14, 2015, 11:19:54 am
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

Plugin development is a tedious process for smf.

Meanwhile, we're still sitting on our asses with a white paper that suggested radical changes to governance and socialising amidst forum members from six months back -_-.
If we expect to go against the mainstream, atleast begin in-house solutions fo coordinate the fight against the mainstream :)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 14, 2015, 08:20:48 pm
This is a great project [member=602]fuzzy[/member]!  I was just planning to test this out on the forums with some UIA's.  I think we should continue to experiment openly with tipping & sharing with social currency, Smartcoins and asset-backed UIA's.   I think what [member=32130]Freebieservers[/member] said about the business side is very good and tweaking how it works is just part of product development.   Having it delivered via PM is good, but you also want to allow people to discover it so you can maintain the viral component of the system.  Maybe just have some indicator on the upper right of the post that show the UIA tips... just like karma points on reddit.  Just a thought. 
 

The problem with this is the forums aren't even owned by the community/admins? Idk, but I recall being told it was hosted by Bitsapphire. So... really, plugin development is out of the question unless we migrate to a forum engine that the admins actually have full control over. If we were to do that, we might as well just build a smarter forum engine tailored to BTS all together...

Plugin development is a tedious process for smf.

Meanwhile, we're still sitting on our asses with a white paper that suggested radical changes to governance and socialising amidst forum members from six months back -_-.
If we expect to go against the mainstream, atleast begin in-house solutions fo coordinate the fight against the mainstream :)

If i had the money myself id pay for it to be done freebie.  unfortunately  the majority prefers our forums to live somewhee in the 1980's.... :/
innovation and a willingness to take risks to change the world is what will make bitshares huge. i guess the only positive i can find in this is that if bitshares doesnt do it, ethereum or another project will. 
Of course that isnt going to do too much to help bitshares marketcap and wont get our community wealthy enough to continue building the new world's systems with a philosophy of freedom.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: Samupaha on December 15, 2015, 07:26:32 am
fuzzy, you need some humble entrepreneurial spirit! This is meant as a constructive criticism, please don't take it as a personal attack.

Be humble: You can't blame others if they just don't get your ideas. I've seen this same thing many, many times. Somebody gets cool idea, but after a while gets bitter and discouraged because nobody else doesn't understand how cool it is. Usually it will take lot of time that ideas get understood in a large crowd. You just have to work for it. But you can't be too active, because that will be recieved as spamming and/or forcing it down others' throats. People don't like spamming so there is a big risk that they will turn hostile if they experience something that feels even a little bit spammy.

Be entrepreneurial: You just have to keep iterating. If people don't get interested in it, then you have to find out how to change the product so that potential users start to like it. This process needs lots of trial and error.

My personal opinion on the tipbot as it is now: I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip. It's just a copy of other tipbots. I suspect that nobody so far have been able to find a solution to tipping/micropayments that will really get some meaningful traction. The solution might have to be a totally new concept that's not invented yet.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: BitShares News on December 15, 2015, 07:38:34 am
I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip.

This may interest some of you [member=32828]Samupaha[/member] [member=602]fuzzy[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] : https://twitter.com/AAinslie/status/676497893549830148 (https://twitter.com/AAinslie/status/676497893549830148)
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fav on December 15, 2015, 08:06:16 am
My personal opinion on the tipbot as it is now: I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip. It's just a copy of other tipbots. I suspect that nobody so far have been able to find a solution to tipping/micropayments that will really get some meaningful traction. The solution might have to be a totally new concept that's not invented yet.

fully agree.

and if you do some research, the competition is doing not so well either...

http://www.coindesk.com/dogetipbot-open-source-creator-leaves-crypto/ - Dogecoin Startup Goes Open Source as Creator Says ‘Peace Out’ to Crypto

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3wufzb/tomorrow_is_the_day_changetip_is_going_to_begin/ - Tomorrow is the day Changetip is going to begin charging for withdrawals tipping is not working even less so with fees
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: tonyk on December 15, 2015, 08:55:53 am
My personal opinion on the tipbot as it is now: I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip. It's just a copy of other tipbots. I suspect that nobody so far have been able to find a solution to tipping/micropayments that will really get some meaningful traction. The solution might have to be a totally new concept that's not invented yet.

fully agree.

and if you do some research, the competition is doing not so well either...

http://www.coindesk.com/dogetipbot-open-source-creator-leaves-crypto/ - Dogecoin Startup Goes Open Source as Creator Says ‘Peace Out’ to Crypto

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3wufzb/tomorrow_is_the_day_changetip_is_going_to_begin/ - Tomorrow is the day Changetip is going to begin charging for withdrawals tipping is not working even less so with fees

hey do not post stuff like this...

Empirical might give you are long lecture how DOGE became what it is [nothing] due to social tipping

and

fuzzy might be forced to post at least 15 post, because this is more or less a personal attack on him [do not ask why or how] .


So, may I ask you - who needs the truth? Truth is so not spiritually uplifting....
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: fuzzy on December 15, 2015, 04:17:47 pm
I don't see any big advantages when compared to competitors like Dogecoin and Changetip.

This may interest some of you [member=32828]Samupaha[/member] [member=602]fuzzy[/member] [member=40140]hybridd[/member] : https://twitter.com/AAinslie/status/676497893549830148 (https://twitter.com/AAinslie/status/676497893549830148)

Let's look at it.  I am all up for conversation about that.  What i'm not up for is someone running a biased poll based on lies (that the bot is out of open beta) that speaks nothing to the merits and only focuses on the negatives. 

I am definitely pissed about that because [member=31]fav[/member] lied and refuses to admit it.  Instead he tries to play it off as me being "emotional" and having nothing to do with A) his absolute incompetence at forming proper polls and B) his unwillingness to apologize for this obvious screw up (attack?). 

people are not idiots fav...they see it.  I promise you that ...so you made that bed.
Title: Re: [POLL] Tipbot Yes/No
Post by: merockstar on December 15, 2015, 07:06:42 pm
I'm against a bot in its current form.

- Bad image
Investors / entrepreneurs checking out the forum and find users tipping ORGASMS, SPERM or CRAPCOINS to each other isn't that mature or inspiring confidence

- Derailing
Used to bump old and obsolete threads

Yeah exactly, I hate all these social tokens/ shitcoins non of them have any value. If you genuinely like what someone has done ask for there bts account name and send them some BTS.  Even brownies are a waste of time IMHO

If you were to receive a tip in brownies I hope you would convert it to whatever currency you choose. (I tipped you brownies)