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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: karnal on April 26, 2016, 03:20:18 pm
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It saddens me to see that after half a year since the 2.0 launch there is still no possibility for privacy.
It saddens me that there are so little options and in so little currencies to get in and out of bitshares.
It saddens me that, at some point, it became acceptable to use centralized UIAs instead of Smartcoins, re-introducing the counterparty risk that was so hailed against before.
It saddens me that simple UI bugs such as the equivalent in FIAT being outrageously wrong in many cases (and what's up with the N/As?), or hovering the mouse near the ok at the lower right corner shows a "blockchain is synced" (something to that extent) message even though right next to it there's a giant red warning saying the blockchain isn't synced. .. or the horrible loop of "Application initialization issues" .. with zero visual feedback and zero error messages to help troubleshoot (was it a connect timeout? was it a socket read/write timeout? did dns resolution fail?)
..that good suggestions (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21908.0.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21908.0.html)) for UI improvement go unanswered.
..that simple bugs (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21053.msg272866.html#msg272866 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21053.msg272866.html#msg272866)) go unresolved, and end up yielding what is essentially a 100% linux-based network .. https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency-debian-openssl-bug/ (https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency-debian-openssl-bug/)
.. that access to the forum is made unecessarily difficult for privacy-conscious users .. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21695.msg290904.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21695.msg290904.html)
.. that, while in the subject of privacy, zero effort has been put forth to implement proxying support in the light client .. coupled with the absolute lack of financial privacy in the platform, and considering that at this stage most bitshares users are necessarily crypto enthusiasts, I'd bet this is keeping thousands of users at bay ..
Bitshares could be THE platform for FOREX trading, yet Smartcoins mostly go unused.
.. and the absolute lack of privacy will keep most traders at bay.
Bitshares could be THE platform for DIY banking, yet Smartcoins mostly go unused.
.. and the absolute lack of privacy will keep most users at bay.
All these ideas and suggestions being thrown around here... and all this time, I ask myself... does it really have to be any more complicated than allowing traders, savers and investors to manage their own finances without the need for a third party, and do so privately ?
The banks have failed us. Bitshares could've been the answer. Unfortunately, it appears to drift further and further away from that every month ..
Increasingly I find the prospect of a future powered by Bitshares, Smartcoin-backed debit cards, FOREX trading on the DEX, and Smartcoin-backed online payments, remote..
And that's a damn shame.
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It saddens me to see that after half a year since the 2.0 launch there is still no possibility for privacy.
It saddens me that there are so little options and in so little currencies to get in and out of bitshares.
It saddens me that, at some point, it became acceptable to use centralized UIAs instead of Smartcoins, re-introducing the counterparty risk that was so hailed against before.
It saddens me that simple UI bugs such as the equivalent in FIAT being outrageously wrong in many cases (and what's up with the N/As?), or hovering the mouse near the ok at the lower right corner shows a "blockchain is synced" (something to that extent) message even though right next to it there's a giant red warning saying the blockchain isn't synced. .. or the horrible loop of "Application initialization issues" .. with zero visual feedback and zero error messages to help troubleshoot (was it a connect timeout? was it a socket read/write timeout? did dns resolution fail?)
..that good suggestions (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21908.0.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21908.0.html)) for UI improvement go unanswered.
..that simple bugs (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21053.msg272866.html#msg272866 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21053.msg272866.html#msg272866)) go unresolved, and end up yielding what is essentially a 100% linux-based network .. https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency-debian-openssl-bug/ (https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency-debian-openssl-bug/)
.. that access to the forum is made unecessarily difficult for privacy-conscious users .. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21695.msg290904.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21695.msg290904.html)
.. that, while in the subject of privacy, zero effort has been put forth to implement proxying support in the light client .. coupled with the absolute lack of financial privacy in the platform, and considering that at this stage most bitshares users are necessarily crypto enthusiasts, I'd bet this is keeping thousands of users at bay ..
Bitshares could be THE platform for FOREX trading, yet Smartcoins mostly go unused.
.. and the absolute lack of privacy will keep most traders at bay.
Bitshares could be THE platform for DIY banking, yet Smartcoins mostly go unused.
.. and the absolute lack of privacy will keep most users at bay.
All these ideas and suggestions being thrown around here... and all this time, I ask myself... does it really have to be any more complicated than allowing traders, savers and investors to manage their own finances without the need for a third party, and do so privately ?
The banks have failed us. Bitshares could've been the answer. Unfortunately, it appears to drift further and further away from that every month ..
Increasingly I find the prospect of a future powered by Bitshares, Smartcoin-backed debit cards, FOREX trading on the DEX, and Smartcoin-backed online payments, remote..
And that's a damn shame.
It is always the darkest hour before the break of dawn.
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It saddens me to see that after half a year since the 2.0 launch there is still no possibility for privacy.
It saddens me that there are so little options and in so little currencies to get in and out of bitshares.
It saddens me that, at some point, it became acceptable to use centralized UIAs instead of Smartcoins, re-introducing the counterparty risk that was so hailed against before.
It saddens me that simple UI bugs such as the equivalent in FIAT being outrageously wrong in many cases (and what's up with the N/As?), or hovering the mouse near the ok at the lower right corner shows a "blockchain is synced" (something to that extent) message even though right next to it there's a giant red warning saying the blockchain isn't synced. .. or the horrible loop of "Application initialization issues" .. with zero visual feedback and zero error messages to help troubleshoot (was it a connect timeout? was it a socket read/write timeout? did dns resolution fail?)
..that good suggestions (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21908.0.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21908.0.html)) for UI improvement go unanswered.
..that simple bugs (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21053.msg272866.html#msg272866 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21053.msg272866.html#msg272866)) go unresolved, and end up yielding what is essentially a 100% linux-based network .. https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency-debian-openssl-bug/ (https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency-debian-openssl-bug/)
.. that access to the forum is made unecessarily difficult for privacy-conscious users .. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21695.msg290904.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21695.msg290904.html)
.. that, while in the subject of privacy, zero effort has been put forth to implement proxying support in the light client .. coupled with the absolute lack of financial privacy in the platform, and considering that at this stage most bitshares users are necessarily crypto enthusiasts, I'd bet this is keeping thousands of users at bay ..
Bitshares could be THE platform for FOREX trading, yet Smartcoins mostly go unused.
.. and the absolute lack of privacy will keep most traders at bay.
Bitshares could be THE platform for DIY banking, yet Smartcoins mostly go unused.
.. and the absolute lack of privacy will keep most users at bay.
All these ideas and suggestions being thrown around here... and all this time, I ask myself... does it really have to be any more complicated than allowing traders, savers and investors to manage their own finances without the need for a third party, and do so privately ?
The banks have failed us. Bitshares could've been the answer. Unfortunately, it appears to drift further and further away from that every month ..
Increasingly I find the prospect of a future powered by Bitshares, Smartcoin-backed debit cards, FOREX trading on the DEX, and Smartcoin-backed online payments, remote..
And that's a damn shame.
It is always the darkest hour before the break of dawn.
While I agree with you, that phrase has been making the rounds on this forum for the last year and a half.
As a positive though, the filled orders per day has been steadily climbing over recent weeks. Transfers have also been increasing, but not at the same pace.
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While I agree with you, that phrase has been making the rounds on this forum for the last year and a half.
As a positive though, the filled orders per day has been steadily climbing over recent weeks. Transfers have also been increasing, but not at the same pace.
@kenCode What say you Ken? Aren't you about to launch a new version of the POS that uses Smartcoins? Isn't this something to celebrate in regards to adoption of Smartcoins vs. UIAs?
You can see the horizon ahead when you got your sites set on the ground in front of you.
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It saddens me to see that after half a year since the 2.0 launch there is still no possibility for privacy.
It saddens me that there are so little options and in so little currencies to get in and out of bitshares.
It saddens me that, at some point, it became acceptable to use centralized UIAs instead of Smartcoins, re-introducing the counterparty risk that was so hailed against before.
It saddens me that simple UI bugs such as the equivalent in FIAT being outrageously wrong in many cases (and what's up with the N/As?), or hovering the mouse near the ok at the lower right corner shows a "blockchain is synced" (something to that extent) message even though right next to it there's a giant red warning saying the blockchain isn't synced. .. or the horrible loop of "Application initialization issues" .. with zero visual feedback and zero error messages to help troubleshoot (was it a connect timeout? was it a socket read/write timeout? did dns resolution fail?)
..that good suggestions (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21908.0.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21908.0.html)) for UI improvement go unanswered.
..that simple bugs (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21053.msg272866.html#msg272866 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21053.msg272866.html#msg272866)) go unresolved, and end up yielding what is essentially a 100% linux-based network .. https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency-debian-openssl-bug/ (https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency-debian-openssl-bug/)
.. that access to the forum is made unecessarily difficult for privacy-conscious users .. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21695.msg290904.html (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,21695.msg290904.html)
.. that, while in the subject of privacy, zero effort has been put forth to implement proxying support in the light client .. coupled with the absolute lack of financial privacy in the platform, and considering that at this stage most bitshares users are necessarily crypto enthusiasts, I'd bet this is keeping thousands of users at bay ..
Bitshares could be THE platform for FOREX trading, yet Smartcoins mostly go unused.
.. and the absolute lack of privacy will keep most traders at bay.
Bitshares could be THE platform for DIY banking, yet Smartcoins mostly go unused.
.. and the absolute lack of privacy will keep most users at bay.
All these ideas and suggestions being thrown around here... and all this time, I ask myself... does it really have to be any more complicated than allowing traders, savers and investors to manage their own finances without the need for a third party, and do so privately ?
The banks have failed us. Bitshares could've been the answer. Unfortunately, it appears to drift further and further away from that every month ..
Increasingly I find the prospect of a future powered by Bitshares, Smartcoin-backed debit cards, FOREX trading on the DEX, and Smartcoin-backed online payments, remote..
And that's a damn shame.
It is always the darkest hour before the break of dawn.
+5% +5% +5% :'(
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the filled orders per day has been steadily climbing over recent weeks. Transfers have also been increasing, but not at the same pace.
What say you Ken? Aren't you about to launch a new version of the POS that uses Smartcoins? Isn't this something to celebrate in regards to adoption of Smartcoins vs. UIAs?
BitShares Munich has hired Maurits and Valentin (lin9uxis) to build and run bots on bitCAD, bitEUR and bitSILVER markets.
We also update the OPENPOS thread almost daily with new milestones and apps we are building. Now that we are starting to get investors backing us, we are slowly expanding our team with devs for graphene, stealth (and blinded tx to start out with), bond market, scheduled and recurring payments, margin trading, rate limited free transactions, more POS system integrations, more mobile wallets (native), decentralized media (using ipfs, webrtc and such) and of course Echo which you will also find in the projects thread. Tons of work to do yet, but this is all stuff you guys have been requesting (me too!). So any of you guys sitting around complaining that you're not getting rich, please find something productive to do with what we have, or start building something yourself, or hell just hire people that are smarter than you are. Investors love what we are doing and they will love you too if you just get busy. /rant
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It is always the darkest hour before the break of dawn.
https://youtu.be/DSaz4nwid1I
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the filled orders per day has been steadily climbing over recent weeks. Transfers have also been increasing, but not at the same pace.
What say you Ken? Aren't you about to launch a new version of the POS that uses Smartcoins? Isn't this something to celebrate in regards to adoption of Smartcoins vs. UIAs?
BitShares Munich has hired Maurits and Valentin (lin9uxis) to build and run bots on bitCAD, bitEUR and bitSILVER markets.
We also update the OPENPOS thread almost daily with new milestones and apps we are building. Now that we are starting to get investors backing us, we are slowly expanding our team with devs for graphene, stealth (and blinded tx to start out with), bond market, scheduled and recurring payments, margin trading, rate limited free transactions, more POS system integrations, more mobile wallets (native), decentralized media (using ipfs, webrtc and such) and of course Echo which you will also find in the projects thread. Tons of work to do yet, but this is all stuff you guys have been requesting (me too!). So any of you guys sitting around complaining that you're not getting rich, please find something productive to do with what we have, or start building something yourself, or hell just hire people that are smarter than you are. Investors love what we are doing and they will love you too if you just get busy. /rant
+5% +5% +5% no complaint!...We have everything to make our lifes better. This is everybody second chance.
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we really just need a big boom in market cap and more money sloshing around our exchanges. we'll get there. i trade on the DEX daily to provide liquidity and i love it. i see it as a matter of time before we start getting some bigger money investors into the project. the big market downturns in BTS sure do suck, though...
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It saddens me that, at some point, it became acceptable to use centralized UIAs instead of Smartcoins, re-introducing the counterparty risk that was so hailed against before.
We can't get rid of these centralized UIAs. We need to trade them against BTS to keep Smartcoins pegged to underlying assets.
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we really just need a big boom in market cap and more money sloshing around our exchanges. we'll get there. i trade on the DEX daily to provide liquidity and i love it. i see it as a matter of time before we start getting some bigger money investors into the project. the big market downturns in BTS sure do suck, though...
Being so levered to Poloniex margin trading is probably what causes most of this... just look at some of the common moves in their popular coins. hundreds of percentage moves based on little news. It's all trader positioning
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The future is uncertain indeed, however I can't see a clear direction, neither bad or good. Bitshares is the definition of an actual decentralized experiment (I don't consider Bitcoin an experiment anymore).
We have many problems and we are trying solve them all at the same time, which is pretty damn hard. At the same time we can't even fund the people that are working for our blockchain, so what would you expect? We have a long way to go and 6 months are not enough.
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
But...but...that could take weeks!
:P
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
This may be another case of people misinterpreting what is said, but what do you mean by a "next generation DEX", are you still adding to the existing one?
Also having to keep track and even more tokens is one thing that is frustrating about BitShares. Ethereum is not doing this - there is just Ether.
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Also having to keep track and even more tokens is one thing that is frustrating about BitShares. Ethereum is not doing this - there is just Ether.
Are you saying my "UNICORNS" aren't real?
I have a lot invested in UNICORNS ... and Shiny Squirrel, cuz I like to get into the really good investments early.
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
This may be another case of people misinterpreting what is said, but what do you mean by a "next generation DEX", are you still adding to the existing one?
Also having to keep track and even more tokens is one thing that is frustrating about BitShares. Ethereum is not doing this - there is just Ether.
Yo, the token selection is a selling point, all we need is stealth, liquidity incentives, and bond market, all of which will be much easier to purchase when Dan's hourly rate goes down after he tires of wrenching on STEEM.
Have patience and enjoy the cheap shares in the meantime.
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
We can wait, only if you look BTS as your blood son. :)
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
How can Steem "a social media platform where everyone gets paid for creating and curating content." be meaningfully merged with BTS? The two seem completely unrelated ..
It's a shame you seem to feel the need to switch direction every few months BM. I like your vision (or should it be: "the previous vision"?) and certaintly you have the skills to pull it off, but appear to lack the tenacity to see the project through to the end.
I don't know how it went from "fuck the banks we don't need them anymore and lets build financial freedom together" to "lets pay people for blogging".. >:(
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
How can Steem "a social media platform where everyone gets paid for creating and curating content." be meaningfully merged with BTS? The two seem completely unrelated ..
It's a shame you seem to feel the need to switch direction every few months BM. I like your vision (or should it be: "the previous vision"?) and certaintly you have the skills to pull it off, but appear to lack the tenacity to see the project through to the end.
I don't know how it went from "fuck the banks we don't need them anymore and lets build financial freedom together" to "lets pay people for blogging".. >:(
Pretty easy really. Got to make payroll and put food on the table.
Funny how few people there are in this world who understand what it's like to be responsible to the shareholders and employees of a company.
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
How can Steem "a social media platform where everyone gets paid for creating and curating content." be meaningfully merged with BTS? The two seem completely unrelated ..
It's a shame you seem to feel the need to switch direction every few months BM. I like your vision (or should it be: "the previous vision"?) and certaintly you have the skills to pull it off, but appear to lack the tenacity to see the project through to the end.
I don't know how it went from "fuck the banks we don't need them anymore and lets build financial freedom together" to "lets pay people for blogging".. >:(
Pretty easy really. Got to make payroll and put food on the table.
Funny how few people there are in this world who understand what it's like to be responsible to the shareholders and employees of a company.
That's what I told the DNS victims ..........
I guess someday there will be people telling STEEM holders that exact same line :P
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We actually do not need most of the new features. We should rather use what we have and build a profitable business with that.
A bond market might bring new people, but a stable crypto currency is working already and interesting for many many reasons.
If you want to help BitShares, why not help us with ECHO? We are starting a social media campaign within the next 4 weeks and we are looking for early beta users and national ambassadors. Check out our website www.my-echo.com and sign up for the newsletter. We will start soon and can use all of your feedback!!
Tell your friends about ECHO and send us their feedback. What if you could split the bill with a simple text message? If you could pay a bill with a picture? Save, private chats, send selfies and videos over a peer-to-peer encrypted network. Do people want that? Let figure it out :) ECHO will be build on top of BitShares and every ECHO ID is a BitShares wallet....
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And you can always be part of the community and help us here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,22218.15.html . I can need your input to write a short summary about each BitShares project.
Any other suggestions how we can improve the current www.BitShares.org website? Get engaged!
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It is pretty clear that different people want different things!
Why can't people just do what they want? I feel like if everyone is trying to give the project a different direction, we'll never have a stable plan. If people want to do things, they can do them.
And forget about funding stuff through the blockchain. Especially with the refund workers and these low prices... If svk and others who are being paid by the blockchain are still there, then they will be hopefully able to add more and more things in the client. What I mean with this is that there is no need for a specific roadmap, as a roadmap would be needed if those funds had to be used in a specific way.
Now with regards to Steem. Most altcoins are like betting chips and bitcoin testnets at this stage. Steem can be like a BitShares testnet. If we like something, we take it. If we don't want it, no problem. Who says no to good things that are free???
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+5%Don't worry about those who don't understand this simple structure.
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
How can Steem "a social media platform where everyone gets paid for creating and curating content." be meaningfully merged with BTS? The two seem completely unrelated ..
It's a shame you seem to feel the need to switch direction every few months BM. I like your vision (or should it be: "the previous vision"?) and certaintly you have the skills to pull it off, but appear to lack the tenacity to see the project through to the end.
I don't know how it went from "fuck the banks we don't need them anymore and lets build financial freedom together" to "lets pay people for blogging".. >:(
Pretty easy really. Got to make payroll and put food on the table.
Funny how few people there are in this world who understand what it's like to be responsible to the shareholders and employees of a company.
You never even created a worker proposal to try to utilize the system YOU developed!
This whole "we can't get paid" seems like total bs
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
Im really looking forward to steem. i'm not going anywhere and i think theres an aweful lot more value than the current price reflects.
When you talk about the next generation, may i suggest we get some wire frames of different layouts and try to get as much feedback as possible from both current users and potential users.
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I think BitShares is just getting started. Excited to be a part of!!
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I think BitShares is just getting started. Excited to be a part of!!
+5% +5% +5% :)
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I think BitShares is just getting started. Excited to be a part of!!
+5% +5% +5% :)
+5% +5% +5% +5 :P
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Check out http://bitsquare.io - a decentralised exchange app that also supports BTS to be traded against BTC
Someone could please provide a bit of liquidity there, so we can gain a bit of early exposure, right from start...
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Check out http://bitsquare.io - a decentralised exchange app that also supports BTS to be traded against BTC
Someone could please provide a bit of liquidity there, so we can gain a bit of early exposure, right from start...
This sounds very cool. Did anybody try this service? Does it work?
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We actually do not need most of the new features. We should rather use what we have and build a profitable business with that.
A bond market might bring new people, but a stable crypto currency is working already and interesting for many many reasons.
agree, seems the planned collateralized bond market is very helpful as a feature, hope it has chance to come true.
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We actually do not need most of the new features. We should rather use what we have and build a profitable business with that.
A bond market might bring new people, but a stable crypto currency is working already and interesting for many many reasons.
agree, seems the planned collateralized bond market is very helpful as a feature, hope it has chance to come true.
+5% I am for the bond market as well, just need to finish up Stealth first.
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Maybe there's some opportunity in Steem for BTS, but it doesn't spring to mind immediately. I think they are good partners just two friendly DAOs not competing for functional turf (just investment turf).
We actually do not need most of the new features. We should rather use what we have and build a profitable business with that.
A bond market might bring new people, but a stable crypto currency is working already and interesting for many many reasons.
agree, seems the planned collateralized bond market is very helpful as a feature, hope it has chance to come true.
+5% I am for the bond market as well, just need to finish up Stealth first.
YES!!! Hot Damn! You are my hero Ken!
It's all about secure and easy mobile wallets and POS. Stealth is cool and attracts the "fuck the bankers". Crypto rules.
I think BitShares is just getting started. Excited to be a part of!!
+5% +5% +5% :)
+5% +5% +5% +5 :P
Let's stay on the bitshares roadmap? Say "Aye" Dan!
https://bitshares.org/roadmap.html (needs a bit of an update I'd say! It's awesome to see how many of the "not started" things are now actually done)
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https://bitshares.org/roadmap.html (needs a bit of an update I'd say! It's awesome to see how many of the "not started" things are now actually done)
Thank you @KenMonkey
@Chris4210 Please coordinate the upgrade of that page as well, thank you
Also, here are some changes that need to be made: - "Bitshares.org website upgrade" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Aug 2016
- "Improve deposit/withdraw UX" - Completed by @svk
- "Account overview optimization" - Completed by @svk
- "Dark & Light theme switch" - Completed by @svk
- "Support for native deployment on mobile devices" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Jun 2016
- "Stealth transfers" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Q3 2016
- "Trollbox for the Exchange" - Ongoing by @svk
- "Smartcoins POS & BitShares Wallet for Android/iPhone" - (this needs 2 rows)
- "Smartcoins POS standalone app" - Completed by BitShares Munich
- "Smartcoins POS for Odoo" - Completed by BitShares Munich
- "BitShares Wallet for Android/iOS" - Completed by BitShares Munich (https://github.com/kenCode-de/bitshares-wallet)
- "Smartcoins Wallet for Android (native)" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Jun 2016
- "Deployment of market-making bots "LiqBot" on the internal exchange" - Completed/Ongoing by BitShares Munich Apr 2016 (https://steemit.com/bitshares/@linouxis9/liqbot-0)
- "Recurring & Scheduled Payments" - Soon to be started by BitShares Munich
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
I posted on the Bitshares price speculation thread about this (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16894.msg291894.html#msg291894), but figured I should post in this thread too.
How is this the clear future for BTS? There's no mention of Steem in the BTS roadmap https://bitshares.org/roadmap.html
Is there going to be a community vote (with BTS balance as voting weight) to decide on whether to merge Steem into BTS? Or will this be a forced decision like the previous merger?
Why should Steem be merged into BTS? It's an instantmined (80% currently held by a central issuing authority) digg clone that didn't sharedrop onto BTS holders, I don't see how it has a place within a decentralized exchange platform.
The previous PTS/VOTE/DNS/BTSX merge was a nightmare - the price has yet to recover to anywhere near where it was prior to the merge & none of the DNS/VOTE/PTS functionality materialized in the BTS platform (Whilst you can theoretically sharedrop on BTS like in PTS, none of the recent new projects have bothered to do so - is sharedrop theory dead? edit: peerplay is doing a 5% sharedrop). If history is anything to go by, if we merge, Steem's features won't materialize in any such 'next generation DEX'.
I previously thought why not just merge Steem's features into BTS without the need for a sharedrop/merge, then I read their license.md https://github.com/steemit/steem/blob/master/LICENSE.md
Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:
- 4. The STEEMIT_INIT_PUBLIC_KEY_STR is not changed from STM8GC13uCZbP44HzMLV6zPZGwVQ8Nt4Kji8PapsPiNq1BK153XTX, and the software is not modified in any way that would bypass the need for the coresponding private to start a new blockchain.
- 5. The software is not used with any forks of the Steem blockchain that are not recognized by Steemit, Inc in writing.
With such a license, their project might as well be closed source.
Quoted from: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,22125.msg288257.html#msg288257
Steem is a Graphene-based Blockchain created by Steemit, Inc founded by Ned Scott.
Ned has been following BitShares since 2013 and early this year hired Cryptonomex to help build the Steem network.
Considering Ned Scott (founder of Steemit, Inc) has hired Cryptonomex to develop Steem & (I'm assuming) you're currently being paid to work on Steem, would you not consider your proposal to merge Steem into BTS a conflict of interest?
Is a precedent being set here where we are to expect [any/all] premined projects that hire Cryptonomex to have merger proposals pushed onto the BTS community at the expense of existing BTS investors?
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The previous PTS/VOTE/DNS/BTSX merge was a nightmare - the price has yet to recover to anywhere near where it was prior to the merge & none of the DNS/VOTE/PTS functionality materialized in the BTS platform (Whilst you can theoretically sharedrop on BTS like in PTS, none of the recent new projects have bothered to do so - is sharedrop theory dead?). If history is anything to go by, if we merge, Steem's features won't materialize in any such 'next generation DEX'.
You asked a lot of great questions, however I wanted to note that Peerplays is in fact sharedroping on Bitshares.
You can find the details on this at: Peerplays Milestones & Allocations (http://www.peerplays.com/news/token-allocations-development-milestones/)
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I don´t see a merger between Steem and BitShares. The target groups are too different. I believe we will see an alignment and Steem will be an sidechain to BitShares. So that users can cash out their SBD into BitShares and sell them there.
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The previous PTS/VOTE/DNS/BTSX merge was a nightmare - the price has yet to recover to anywhere near where it was prior to the merge & none of the DNS/VOTE/PTS functionality materialized in the BTS platform (Whilst you can theoretically sharedrop on BTS like in PTS, none of the recent new projects have bothered to do so - is sharedrop theory dead?). If history is anything to go by, if we merge, Steem's features won't materialize in any such 'next generation DEX'.
You asked a lot of great questions, however I wanted to note that Peerplays is in fact sharedroping on Bitshares.
You can find the details on this at: Peerplays Milestones & Allocations (http://www.peerplays.com/news/token-allocations-development-milestones/)
That's good to hear - I'd missed this information, looks like sharedropping theory isn't dead then! :)
Does anyone have a backup copy of the sharedropping theory wiki entry that used to be on the BTSX wiki?
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https://bitshares.org/roadmap.html (needs a bit of an update I'd say! It's awesome to see how many of the "not started" things are now actually done)
Thank you @KenMonkey
@Chris4210 Please coordinate the upgrade of that page as well, thank you
Also, here are some changes that need to be made: - "Bitshares.org website upgrade" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Aug 2016
- "Improve deposit/withdraw UX" - Completed by @svk
- "Account overview optimization" - Completed by @svk
- "Dark & Light theme switch" - Completed by @svk
- "Support for native deployment on mobile devices" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Jun 2016
- "Stealth transfers" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Q3 2016
- "Trollbox for the Exchange" - Ongoing by @svk
- "Smartcoins POS & BitShares Wallet for Android/iPhone" - (this needs 2 rows)
- "Smartcoins POS standalone app" - Completed by BitShares Munich
- "Smartcoins POS for Odoo" - Completed by BitShares Munich
- "BitShares Wallet for Android/iOS" - Completed by BitShares Munich (https://github.com/kenCode-de/bitshares-wallet)
- "Smartcoins Wallet for Android (native)" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Jun 2016
- "Deployment of market-making bots "LiqBot" on the internal exchange" - Completed/Ongoing by BitShares Munich Apr 2016 (https://steemit.com/bitshares/@linouxis9/liqbot-0)
- "Recurring & Scheduled Payments" - Soon to be started by BitShares Munich
+5% +5% +5%
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https://bitshares.org/roadmap.html (needs a bit of an update I'd say! It's awesome to see how many of the "not started" things are now actually done)
Thank you @KenMonkey
@Chris4210 Please coordinate the upgrade of that page as well, thank you
Also, here are some changes that need to be made: - "Bitshares.org website upgrade" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Aug 2016
- "Improve deposit/withdraw UX" - Completed by @svk
- "Account overview optimization" - Completed by @svk
- "Dark & Light theme switch" - Completed by @svk
- "Support for native deployment on mobile devices" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Jun 2016
- "Stealth transfers" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Q3 2016
- "Trollbox for the Exchange" - Ongoing by @svk
- "Smartcoins POS & BitShares Wallet for Android/iPhone" - (this needs 2 rows)
- "Smartcoins POS standalone app" - Completed by BitShares Munich
- "Smartcoins POS for Odoo" - Completed by BitShares Munich
- "BitShares Wallet for Android/iOS" - Completed by BitShares Munich (https://github.com/kenCode-de/bitshares-wallet)
- "Smartcoins Wallet for Android (native)" - Ongoing by BitShares Munich estimated time Jun 2016
- "Deployment of market-making bots "LiqBot" on the internal exchange" - Completed/Ongoing by BitShares Munich Apr 2016 (https://steemit.com/bitshares/@linouxis9/liqbot-0)
- "Recurring & Scheduled Payments" - Soon to be started by BitShares Munich
+5% +5% +5%
Added it to the BitShares Roadmap.
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if you need more content for a roadmap/activities or projects, you can take some of mine (I don't usually market my work as well as others but should certainly do so):
* Python-graphenelib - Low-level library for interacting with the Network
* Transaction Signing in Python - Sign your transactions without the cli/web wallet
* BitShares Europe Consulting - Education, Trainings & Seminars
* BitShares Europe Blog - Blog posts about the DAC
* BitShares Europe Documentation - Reference Documentation for Graphene and BitShares
* BitShares Europe Stats - BitShares TPS in real-time
* Committee Proposals - Development & Execution
* Committee Instructions - Educational and Consulting
* Structured Fee Schedule - Development, Marketing, Execution
* LaTeX Paperwallet - Bringing Private Keys
* Wallet Recovery Service - 0.9 Migration
* AirSign - Python-Only Interface for BitShares
* Peermit - Second factor authentication for BitShares
* Price Feed - Price feed script for BitShares Witnesses
* BitShares Improvement Proposals - BSIPs
* Full fledged docker containers - Dockerfiles for easy deployment
* Wallet and Faucet deployments & maintenance - Run your own white-labeled DEX
* Graphene/BitShares Paperwallets - Cold Storage on Paper
* BitShares/Graphene Testnet - The one and only Testnet for BitShares
* Trading Bot Infrastructure - Run your Bots on the DEX
* Customized Blockchain deployment - Get your own private Graphene blockchain
* BitShares Whitepapers - Sole author of two whitepapers
* High profile forum member - Most forum posts .. by far
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Exciting!
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if you need more content for a roadmap/activities or projects, you can take some of mine (I don't usually market my work as well as others but should certainly do so):
* Python-graphenelib - Low-level library for interacting with the Network
* Transaction Signing in Python - Sign your transactions without the cli/web wallet
* BitShares Europe Consulting - Education, Trainings & Seminars
* BitShares Europe Blog - Blog posts about the DAC
* BitShares Europe Documentation - Reference Documentation for Graphene and BitShares
* BitShares Europe Stats - BitShares TPS in real-time
* Committee Proposals - Development & Execution
* Committee Instructions - Educational and Consulting
* Structured Fee Schedule - Development, Marketing, Execution
* LaTeX Paperwallet - Bringing Private Keys
* Wallet Recovery Service - 0.9 Migration
* AirSign - Python-Only Interface for BitShares
* Peermit - Second factor authentication for BitShares
* Price Feed - Price feed script for BitShares Witnesses
* BitShares Improvement Proposals - BSIPs
* Full fledged docker containers - Dockerfiles for easy deployment
* Wallet and Faucet deployments & maintenance - Run your own white-labeled DEX
* Graphene/BitShares Paperwallets - Cold Storage on Paper
* BitShares/Graphene Testnet - The one and only Testnet for BitShares
* Trading Bot Infrastructure - Run your Bots on the DEX
* Customized Blockchain deployment - Get your own private Graphene blockchain
* BitShares Whitepapers - Sole author of two whitepapers
* High profile forum member - Most forum posts .. by far
thank you, I added them to the list. In the next step, we should sort them after priority and add them to the roadmap.
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
How can Steem "a social media platform where everyone gets paid for creating and curating content." be meaningfully merged with BTS? The two seem completely unrelated ..
It's a shame you seem to feel the need to switch direction every few months BM. I like your vision (or should it be: "the previous vision"?) and certaintly you have the skills to pull it off, but appear to lack the tenacity to see the project through to the end.
I don't know how it went from "fuck the banks we don't need them anymore and lets build financial freedom together" to "lets pay people for blogging".. >:(
Pretty easy really. Got to make payroll and put food on the table.
Funny how few people there are in this world who understand what it's like to be responsible to the shareholders and employees of a company.
That's what I told the DNS victims ..........
I guess someday there will be people telling STEEM holders that exact same line :P
big thing 2.0
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I think the future is pretty clear for BTS:
1. work out the kinks with Steem
2. merge best parts of steem + BTS into a next generation DEX
3. sharedrop + dev allocation
It is just a much longer roadmap.
Hmm...I'm going through old forum posts just for the hell of it when I stumbled across this little gem.
Curious to know if this is still the roadmap for BTS, heh...