Why is it called Noirbits 2.0? Is there a 1.0 version, what happened to it?
Will you be honoring AGS and PTS?
why there are more than 7000 blocks to be download when i fist time launch the client, not lunch in 8 hours? will the blockchain be reseted?
why there are more than 7000 blocks to be download when i fist time launch the client, not lunch in 8 hours? will the blockchain be reseted?
Because it hasnt been launched yet, that is probably someone who saw me working on the dev stages and decided to try get a premine in. The official genesis will be uploaded in 7 hours.
why there are more than 7000 blocks to be download when i fist time launch the client, not lunch in 8 hours? will the blockchain be reseted?
Because it hasnt been launched yet, that is probably someone who saw me working on the dev stages and decided to try get a premine in. The official genesis will be uploaded in 7 hours.
do i need to clean the local blockchain data if i wanna mine after launch in 7hours
what sets it apart form Peercoin?
As someone attempting to claim a bounty on initializing the genesis block and also producing the unspent output list, it seems to me that you should be able to generate the proper initial balances.
Then all you have to do is create a 'spend to many' transaction in the genesis block.
If you don't know how to initialize it in the genesis block, then simply pre-mine the balance for yourself and issue the transaction in the first block.
Thanks Barwizi... FYI, the reason I don't have hard answers on how to initialize the genesis block is because I don't know the Bitcoin code base well enough to provide the answers. In other words, you and FreeTrade are more qualified than I to answer them. Sure I could probably figure it out, but obviously I have other things to do.
I think sending it in the first block may be the easiest way to instruct people and is just as good.
What allocation are you doing in the genesis block?
What allocation are you doing in the genesis block?
I'll allocate only 1% , i'd like people to actually mine this, rather than depending on their PTS to just accumulate them stake. While it benefits the company to have a wider user base, i'll also need people to make real investment in the ideas and ventures. But since we all seem to be on good terms, NIG will be participating and assisting I3 in all ways possible, including funding mutually beneficial projects.
That is a total of 5% that will be in the hands of the company and developers.
What allocation are you doing in the genesis block?
I'll allocate only 1% , i'd like people to actually mine this, rather than depending on their PTS to just accumulate them stake. While it benefits the company to have a wider user base, i'll also need people to make real investment in the ideas and ventures. But since we all seem to be on good terms, NIG will be participating and assisting I3 in all ways possible, including funding mutually beneficial projects.
Again we see the limitations of defining in text what the invisible hand wants. Seems like so far the invisible hand wants 1% rather than the 10% prescribed.
What allocation are you doing in the genesis block?
I'll allocate only 1% , i'd like people to actually mine this, rather than depending on their PTS to just accumulate them stake. While it benefits the company to have a wider user base, i'll also need people to make real investment in the ideas and ventures. But since we all seem to be on good terms, NIG will be participating and assisting I3 in all ways possible, including funding mutually beneficial projects.
Again we see the limitations of defining in text what the invisible hand wants. Seems like so far the invisible hand wants 1% rather than the 10% prescribed.
As far people offering 1% and preferring to 'mine' it into existence... I just shake my head. Obviously you are attempting to mirror our business model in some manner and imbuing your coins with additional backing. Without a 10% honoring we will not be able to back, promote, or otherwise support your coin.
What exactly are miners delivering to warrant at 95% cut?
What allocation are you doing in the genesis block?
I'll allocate only 1% , i'd like people to actually mine this, rather than depending on their PTS to just accumulate them stake. While it benefits the company to have a wider user base, i'll also need people to make real investment in the ideas and ventures. But since we all seem to be on good terms, NIG will be participating and assisting I3 in all ways possible, including funding mutually beneficial projects.
Again we see the limitations of defining in text what the invisible hand wants. Seems like so far the invisible hand wants 1% rather than the 10% prescribed.
As far people offering 1% and preferring to 'mine' it into existence... I just shake my head. Obviously you are attempting to mirror our business model in some manner and imbuing your coins with additional backing. Without a 10% honoring we will not be able to back, promote, or otherwise support your coin.
Without a 10% honoring we will not be able to back, promote, or otherwise support your coin.
Obviously you are attempting to mirror our business model
What exactly are miners delivering to warrant at 95% cut?
Barwizi,
We appreciate the 1% and I have nothing against you only honoring at 1%, but I do have my obligations to AGS and PTS holders to not include your coin in any official manner such as our website, etc. If we were to confer any special privileges on a coin that didn't honor 10% then it would devalue AGS and PTS while encouraging others to do the same. MemoryCoin was an example to how PTS honoring was possible.
I appreciate your goals and certainly will not shun you. You have been an excellent asset to this community and I hope we can continue to work together. As your code is mostly based upon non-invictus code you are free do do whatever you think will make your shares most successful.
Dan
All modified redistributions will allocate 7% of their total lifetime value supply units to Noirshares at genesis
of said redistribution, also further allocate 3% of their total lifetime value supply units to Protoshares.
sudo apt-get -y install git build-essential htop libboost-dev libboost-system-dev libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-thread-dev libssl-dev libdb++-dev libminiupnpc-dev git
git clone https://github.com/Nameshar/NoirShares.git
cd NoirShares
cd src/
mkdir obj
make -f makefile.unix
QuoteAll modified redistributions will allocate 7% of their total lifetime value supply units to Noirshares at genesis
of said redistribution, also further allocate 3% of their total lifetime value supply units to Protoshares.
that is a quote from the license, it's been there all along.
QuoteAll modified redistributions will allocate 7% of their total lifetime value supply units to Noirshares at genesis
of said redistribution, also further allocate 3% of their total lifetime value supply units to Protoshares.
that is a quote from the license, it's been there all along.
What license?
why not upload the updated executable client to your website, i think nobody can mine on the offical chain now except yourself.+1
why not upload the updated executable client to your website, i think nobody can mine on the offical chain now except yourself.+1
"hashespermin" : 3.97239188,
"networkhashps" : 2,If It was, I want one of those computers. :Pwhy not upload the updated executable client to your website, i think nobody can mine on the offical chain now except yourself.+1
Here you are (http://rapidshare.com/share/4F24DECF1C746097BAF63C531F3DEADD).
Keep in mind I could have loaded that up with all kinds of code to facilitate wallet stealing, making any mining go right to my address or rm -rf'ing /. Not that I have, but you totally wouldn't know! So with this and any other untrusted binaries run them in a well shielded VM or on a computer without important data.
Edit: I don't think it was only two of us mining.Code: [Select]"hashespermin" : 3.97239188,If It was, I want one of those computers. :P
"networkhashps" : 2,
i am curious why the official website not update the client after the official chain launch, as the official client is connected to invalid chain now.
i am curious why the official website not update the client after the official chain launch, as the official client is connected to invalid chain now.
Oh. I don't know about that. I didn't see any binaries on the official site. If the code in the GitHub repo is set to mine to the wrong genesis block then so is the binary I posted earlier, take note.
Edit: On this topic and to people coming from here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464197.0;all), I think you are getting confused by this -- the NoirShares beta (https://github.com/Nameshar/NRS) (last updated two days ago) and this (https://github.com/Nameshar/NoirShares) (last updated 12 hours ago) which looks a bit less like a beta.
The binary I provided is built off the latter repository.
I'm not affiliated with the project and don't know if my conjecture is right, but that's what I think is happening here.
Thank you, yes you are right. The first was the git used i used to test the functions and build if i was away from my workdesk. I here that some people after hearing my idea went and prematurely started mining before i was ready to post the actual git. lol
Can you please tell me how to use your binary? 7zip is just producing a file that does nothing. Thanks for your effort, i will find a way to pay you well for that.
why not upload the updated executable client to your website, i think nobody can mine on the offical chain now except yourself.+1
Here you are (http://rapidshare.com/share/4F24DECF1C746097BAF63C531F3DEADD).
Keep in mind I could have loaded that up with all kinds of code to facilitate wallet stealing, making any mining go right to my address or rm -rf'ing /. Not that I have, but you totally wouldn't know! So with this and any other untrusted binaries run them in a well shielded VM or on a computer without important data.
Edit: I don't think it was only two of us mining.Code: [Select]"hashespermin" : 3.97239188,If It was, I want one of those computers. :P
"networkhashps" : 2,
i am curious why the official website not update the client after the official chain launch, as the official client is connected to invalid chain now.
Thank you, yes you are right. The first was the git used i used to test the functions and build if i was away from my workdesk. I here that some people after hearing my idea went and prematurely started mining before i was ready to post the actual git. lol
Can you please tell me how to use your binary? 7zip is just producing a file that does nothing. Thanks for your effort, i will find a way to pay you well for that.
It's just a raw binary bzip'd, 7zip might be thinking that I'm committing blasphemy for not adding a tar in there somewhere.
`bunzip2 NoirSharesd.bz2` should produce a runnable NoirSharesd
What official client, you are the one who went and rummaged through the test repository before i announced launch, when i was ready, i posted the actual git and have provided seed nodes for people to connect to. I am sorry you are confused, but you should have waited for me to post the links first, trying to abuse the public status of the build/test git has a lot of people complaining, it is not my fault that they tried to jump the gun and failed.
AT last check we are at Block 730 and solo mining with my dual core laptop is still hitting blocks. Mining solo is still quite viable for the average 4 core machine, let alone those who pushed the test chain to 7000 blocks over the last two days.
Where is the windows client??
oh, this is NoirSharesd for linux?
i compiled from source for windows but when try mine wallet crash... on linux all go fine?))
NoirSharesd: kernel.cpp:368: unsigned int GetStakeModifierChecksum(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindex->pprev || pindex->GetBlockHash() == (!fTestNet ? hashGenesisBlock : hashGenesisBlockTestNet)' failed.
Aborted (core dumped)Code: [Select]NoirSharesd: kernel.cpp:368: unsigned int GetStakeModifierChecksum(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindex->pprev || pindex->GetBlockHash() == (!fTestNet ? hashGenesisBlock : hashGenesisBlockTestNet)' failed.
Aborted (core dumped)
got this error after compiling and reboot etc...
aws ec2 c3.4xlarge
Same. AWS doesn't want to hash, even at max CPU usage. My local computer seems to be hashing properly.Code: [Select]NoirSharesd: kernel.cpp:368: unsigned int GetStakeModifierChecksum(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindex->pprev || pindex->GetBlockHash() == (!fTestNet ? hashGenesisBlock : hashGenesisBlockTestNet)' failed.
Aborted (core dumped)
got this error after compiling and reboot etc...
aws ec2 c3.4xlarge
Same. AWS doesn't want to hash, even at max CPU usage. My local computer seems to be hashing properly.Code: [Select]NoirSharesd: kernel.cpp:368: unsigned int GetStakeModifierChecksum(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindex->pprev || pindex->GetBlockHash() == (!fTestNet ? hashGenesisBlock : hashGenesisBlockTestNet)' failed.
Aborted (core dumped)
got this error after compiling and reboot etc...
aws ec2 c3.4xlarge
Please try with 4 threads and let me know what happens. since it's a kernel error.
./NoirSharesd -t 4 -genproclimit=8 Same. AWS doesn't want to hash, even at max CPU usage. My local computer seems to be hashing properly.Code: [Select]NoirSharesd: kernel.cpp:368: unsigned int GetStakeModifierChecksum(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindex->pprev || pindex->GetBlockHash() == (!fTestNet ? hashGenesisBlock : hashGenesisBlockTestNet)' failed.
Aborted (core dumped)
got this error after compiling and reboot etc...
aws ec2 c3.4xlarge
Please try with 4 threads and let me know what happens. since it's a kernel error.
how can i do it!?Code: [Select]./NoirSharesd -t 4
?
or withCode: [Select]-genproclimit=8
Same. AWS doesn't want to hash, even at max CPU usage. My local computer seems to be hashing properly.Code: [Select]NoirSharesd: kernel.cpp:368: unsigned int GetStakeModifierChecksum(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindex->pprev || pindex->GetBlockHash() == (!fTestNet ? hashGenesisBlock : hashGenesisBlockTestNet)' failed.
Aborted (core dumped)
got this error after compiling and reboot etc...
aws ec2 c3.4xlarge
Please try with 4 threads and let me know what happens. since it's a kernel error.
how can i do it!?Code: [Select]./NoirSharesd -t 4
?
or withCode: [Select]-genproclimit=8
-genproclimit=4
NoirShares: Unable to bind to 0.0.0.0:8500 on this computer. NoirShares is probably already running.
NoirShares: Failed to listen on any port. Use -listen=0 if you want this.
Code: [Select]NoirShares: Unable to bind to 0.0.0.0:8500 on this computer. NoirShares is probably already running.
NoirShares: Failed to listen on any port. Use -listen=0 if you want this.
What allocation are you doing in the genesis block?
I'll allocate only 1% , i'd like people to actually mine this, rather than depending on their PTS to just accumulate them stake. While it benefits the company to have a wider user base, i'll also need people to make real investment in the ideas and ventures. But since we all seem to be on good terms, NIG will be participating and assisting I3 in all ways possible, including funding mutually beneficial projects.
Again we see the limitations of defining in text what the invisible hand wants. Seems like so far the invisible hand wants 1% rather than the 10% prescribed.
As far people offering 1% and preferring to 'mine' it into existence... I just shake my head. Obviously you are attempting to mirror our business model in some manner and imbuing your coins with additional backing. Without a 10% honoring we will not be able to back, promote, or otherwise support your coin.
People mine shares so that they sell them for profit, they expend resources and time in an effort to accumulate the assets which they they divest at a profit. The assets gain value by miners evaluation of the cost of their mining operation and their expected returns. Mining, and expenditure of resource to gain these shares gives these resources value, this is why PTS was mined, people anticipated that they would earn profits from possession and trade of PTS. NRS is similar in many ways. My choice to give 1% to PTS is not in anticipation of what I3 builds, but an effort to grow the user base of NRS. People are free to redeem or not to redeem. The "backing" you speak of at 1 % is actually non existent, rather it is the other way round since i am giving basically free "value" to holders of PTS. They have not expended any resources to gain these shares, they are simply a product of goodwill and good business strategy. If NRS was directly interchangeable in the same way provided for PTS then you could say that i have imbued value into the company, but i cant can I?QuoteWithout a 10% honoring we will not be able to back, promote, or otherwise support your coin.
Backing, promote and support. PTS factors heavily in some of the ideas being developed, but if the community is against us because we refuse to pay 10% homage but 1% then perhaps that support is over-priced. The NIG is not seeking to be the underling but an equal partner which is why i said i look forward to working TOGETHER, not FOR. I've already pointed out that NIG is giving value to PTS holders "free" of charge, the idea is not competition but to cooperate and create a whole new industry.QuoteObviously you are attempting to mirror our business model
If you look for NoirBank, you'll find that these ideas were circling my head long before most people knew about I3, i'll admit your implementation has given me many ideas, but i had been thinking in this sphere for quite a while.
In fact NO...i do not agree with the autonomous part which is why you'll find i am creating corporate structures that will govern everything. A Dispersed Liability Decentralized Corporation more like which has both online and real world infrastructure.
Code: [Select]NoirShares: Unable to bind to 0.0.0.0:8500 on this computer. NoirShares is probably already running.
NoirShares: Failed to listen on any port. Use -listen=0 if you want this.
if you are trying to run multiple instances on the same machine
mkdir data
./NoirSharesd -port=5672 -datadir=data -genproclimit=4
***********************
EXCEPTION: St13runtime_error
CDB() : can't open database file blkindex.dat, error 22
NoirShares in AppInit()
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
what(): CDB() : can't open database file blkindex.dat, error 22
QuoteWhat official client, you are the one who went and rummaged through the test repository before i announced launch, when i was ready, i posted the actual git and have provided seed nodes for people to connect to. I am sorry you are confused, but you should have waited for me to post the links first, trying to abuse the public status of the build/test git has a lot of people complaining, it is not my fault that they tried to jump the gun and failed.
AT last check we are at Block 730 and solo mining with my dual core laptop is still hitting blocks. Mining solo is still quite viable for the average 4 core machine, let alone those who pushed the test chain to 7000 blocks over the last two days.
the client downloaded from your official website(http://noirbits.org) is not the official one? the proper way i think the official client in your official website should be updated right after you launch the official chain, but not leave the github source and seed node instead, it is time-consuming to setup the environment and build the client. for the POW coin,the first jump in people is profitable,i think people knows that well.
What allocation are you doing in the genesis block?
I'll allocate only 1% , i'd like people to actually mine this, rather than depending on their PTS to just accumulate them stake. While it benefits the company to have a wider user base, i'll also need people to make real investment in the ideas and ventures. But since we all seem to be on good terms, NIG will be participating and assisting I3 in all ways possible, including funding mutually beneficial projects.
Again we see the limitations of defining in text what the invisible hand wants. Seems like so far the invisible hand wants 1% rather than the 10% prescribed.
As far people offering 1% and preferring to 'mine' it into existence... I just shake my head. Obviously you are attempting to mirror our business model in some manner and imbuing your coins with additional backing. Without a 10% honoring we will not be able to back, promote, or otherwise support your coin.
People mine shares so that they sell them for profit, they expend resources and time in an effort to accumulate the assets which they they divest at a profit. The assets gain value by miners evaluation of the cost of their mining operation and their expected returns. Mining, and expenditure of resource to gain these shares gives these resources value, this is why PTS was mined, people anticipated that they would earn profits from possession and trade of PTS. NRS is similar in many ways. My choice to give 1% to PTS is not in anticipation of what I3 builds, but an effort to grow the user base of NRS. People are free to redeem or not to redeem. The "backing" you speak of at 1 % is actually non existent, rather it is the other way round since i am giving basically free "value" to holders of PTS. They have not expended any resources to gain these shares, they are simply a product of goodwill and good business strategy. If NRS was directly interchangeable in the same way provided for PTS then you could say that i have imbued value into the company, but i cant can I?QuoteWithout a 10% honoring we will not be able to back, promote, or otherwise support your coin.
Backing, promote and support. PTS factors heavily in some of the ideas being developed, but if the community is against us because we refuse to pay 10% homage but 1% then perhaps that support is over-priced. The NIG is not seeking to be the underling but an equal partner which is why i said i look forward to working TOGETHER, not FOR. I've already pointed out that NIG is giving value to PTS holders "free" of charge, the idea is not competition but to cooperate and create a whole new industry.QuoteObviously you are attempting to mirror our business model
If you look for NoirBank, you'll find that these ideas were circling my head long before most people knew about I3, i'll admit your implementation has given me many ideas, but i had been thinking in this sphere for quite a while.
In fact NO...i do not agree with the autonomous part which is why you'll find i am creating corporate structures that will govern everything. A Dispersed Liability Decentralized Corporation more like which has both online and real world infrastructure.
I have not read through all of this so let me please first say that this post may be taken down after I read further, but I will say that personally, I intend on interviewing and otherwise running a little show that will honor those devs who honor PTS/AGS holders. At this juncture, I mine, but very little compared to my initial cloud-mining experience and mostly wish to serve this cause for altruistic reasons. However, I also understand that if the difference between 10% and 1% honoring in the ultimate money supply is given specifically to miners then I (and all other non-mining investors) are at a significant disadvantage, which means a smaller community.
It is my sincere hope that we do not let these types of things cause more division (ethereum and other similar platforms' devs will not be so divided). The value is NOT in the faceless units of the currency but in the people who choose to spend just an extra second or two talking about a particular crypto to friends (I want to build a show around it as the community grows). When that base of people trying to tell people about crypto is primarily consisting of day-traders and big-boy miners...I think it starts to make me wonder why I would want to help the only them instead of an entire community.
It feels too technocratic...and I've had enough of that in Wall Street. PTS, if the social consensus is held, can become a cryptocurrency that allows "plebians" in the new technocracy an ability to essentially "mine" their own coins in the company they believe in AND bootstrap that company before it even comes out...
When the Devs who come on board and the Devs with Invictus can come to terms with the consensus that initially brought the entire community along, I think we will have something to talk about. Personally, though I appreciate everything Barwizi has done for this group, I would not be willing to accept this as falling in line with the Social Consensus I bought into when I started mining/buying PTS and not only does that add more uncertainty to the value of PTS in my eyes (already), but also in NoirShares. With that said, "value" in this definition is not represented by a main-stream monetary unit NoirShares and BitShares PTS can be converted to, but by human capital and the HUGE spectrum of skillsets and passions that come along with them. I am passionate, and I know the value of that ;)
Barwizi...it is apparent to me, you are a miner. I hope you will see the forest for the trees and understand I and other active members of the community will definitely bring value over time. It will simply require a little leap of faith, a deep breath and the time it takes to rise high enough into the atmosphere to see the entire forest :)
Just my two cents.
P.S. Should you change your mind I'd love to chat with you sometime about your ideas and those of any other talent helping you (they deserve recognition and reputation for doing so). And post it to a youtube channel. In the vein of recognition and reputation, I would love to chat with you about some of the other projects you have finished that have made the experience of PTS holders much easier regardless your decision.
Oh, and btw, if you offer something like "NoirShares AGS" and we can iron out what exactly all these Crypto"Shares" are about nowadays (hopefully in a 10+ minute chat), I and others might want to donate some PTS so you can fund further development. ;)
"Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them. Stretch out with your feelings" --Ben Keyhotee to Luke
Code: [Select]NoirShares: Unable to bind to 0.0.0.0:8500 on this computer. NoirShares is probably already running.
NoirShares: Failed to listen on any port. Use -listen=0 if you want this.
if you are trying to run multiple instances on the same machine
mkdir data
./NoirSharesd -port=5672 -datadir=data -genproclimit=4
then i getCode: [Select]***********************
EXCEPTION: St13runtime_error
CDB() : can't open database file blkindex.dat, error 22
NoirShares in AppInit()
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
what(): CDB() : can't open database file blkindex.dat, error 22
Code: [Select]NoirShares: Unable to bind to 0.0.0.0:8500 on this computer. NoirShares is probably already running.
NoirShares: Failed to listen on any port. Use -listen=0 if you want this.
if you are trying to run multiple instances on the same machine
mkdir data
./NoirSharesd -port=5672 -datadir=data -genproclimit=4
then i getCode: [Select]***********************
EXCEPTION: St13runtime_error
CDB() : can't open database file blkindex.dat, error 22
NoirShares in AppInit()
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
what(): CDB() : can't open database file blkindex.dat, error 22
try re-booting , i think there is a left-over instance fro one of your previous attempts.
Code: [Select]NoirShares: Unable to bind to 0.0.0.0:8500 on this computer. NoirShares is probably already running.
NoirShares: Failed to listen on any port. Use -listen=0 if you want this.
if you are trying to run multiple instances on the same machine
mkdir data
./NoirSharesd -port=5672 -datadir=data -genproclimit=4
then i getCode: [Select]***********************
EXCEPTION: St13runtime_error
CDB() : can't open database file blkindex.dat, error 22
NoirShares in AppInit()
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
what(): CDB() : can't open database file blkindex.dat, error 22
try re-booting , i think there is a left-over instance fro one of your previous attempts.
same error meesage after reboot , will try to make a fresh install again
addnode=107.170.254.5
addnode=41.78.77.178
addnode=172.245.183.30
addnode=162.243.131.88
addnode=54.213.71.178
addnode=192.241.213.224
addnode=54.80.61.11
addnode=198.199.96.129
addnode=54.197.175.238
rpcuser=NoirSharesrpc
rpcpassword=????What we ALL want is a system where new DAC developers are incubated to fulfill their potential. Invictus aims to be the first great incubator in this space. Their incubator model has been clarified somewhat in the last week, but it's still at inception, and discussions like this is great to further the development of the model.
I think honoring AGS/PTS now can be understood partly as a bet on Invictus becoming a great incubator. You'll be among the first born, and get immediate attention from all branches attempting to develop the incubator model further. This is still very early stage for everything, and the incubator has had little material to work with so far.
i can start now but i get this
error: couldn't connect to server
my NoirShares.confCode: [Select]addnode=107.170.254.5
addnode=41.78.77.178
addnode=172.245.183.30
addnode=162.243.131.88
addnode=54.213.71.178
addnode=192.241.213.224
addnode=54.80.61.11
addnode=198.199.96.129
addnode=54.197.175.238
rpcuser=NoirSharesrpc
rpcpassword=????
iam working on osx local so i have tried to get it work on aws ec2 instance c1.xlarge
iam working on osx local so i have tried to get it work on aws ec2 instance c1.xlarge
are you sure all dependencies were installed properly?
sudo apt-get -y install git build-essential htop libboost-dev libboost-system-dev libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-thread-dev libssl-dev libdb++-dev libminiupnpc-dev git
{
"version" : "v0.1.3.0-g99999-boc",
"protocolversion" : 60006,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"balance" : 0.00000000,
"newmint" : 0.00000000,
"stake" : 0.00000000,
"blocks" : 1100,
"moneysupply" : 337920.00000000,
"connections" : 8,
"proxy" : "",
"ip" : "XX.XX.XXX.XXX",
"difficulty" : 0.00000031,
"testnet" : false,
"keypoololdest" : 1392472291,
"keypoolsize" : 102,
"paytxfee" : 0.01000000,
"errors" : ""
}
{
"blocks" : 1100,
"currentblocksize" : 1000,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 0.00000031,
"errors" : "",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : 4,
"hashespermin" : "No information yet. Wait at least 4 minutes after starting mining for estimate.",
"networkhashps" : 20,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}
{
"" : 0.00000000
}Oh, and btw, if you offer something like "NoirShares AGS" and we can iron out what exactly all these Crypto"Shares" are about nowadays (hopefully in a 10+ minute chat), I and others might want to donate some PTS so you can fund further development. ;)
"Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them. Stretch out with your feelings" --Ben Keyhotee to Luke
wow, that is actually the first coherent reason i have heard to honour PTS since i launched, you sir may make a fine advocate. The idea is in the works,, but i'd like to confer with open minded people on how to implement, maybe you can be part of the conversation and help us create a free open and auditable fund that will benefit the group, the community and even future DACs
Oh, and btw, if you offer something like "NoirShares AGS" and we can iron out what exactly all these Crypto"Shares" are about nowadays (hopefully in a 10+ minute chat), I and others might want to donate some PTS so you can fund further development. ;)
"Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them. Stretch out with your feelings" --Ben Keyhotee to Luke
wow, that is actually the first coherent reason i have heard to honour PTS since i launched, you sir may make a fine advocate. The idea is in the works,, but i'd like to confer with open minded people on how to implement, maybe you can be part of the conversation and help us create a free open and auditable fund that will benefit the group, the community and even future DACs
Well lets do this in an open audio format so people can listen in their cars. Let's use this to....create buzz! And for God's sake lets please make sure we always try to attach it to something everyone loves and is slowly becomming a tradition--Star Wars :D
Oh...and btw, I have plenty more ideas and, since I am not intending on doing this for any material return per se, it gives me some interesting options that a "for profit" version would not give to bring an audience.
Oh, and btw, if you offer something like "NoirShares AGS" and we can iron out what exactly all these Crypto"Shares" are about nowadays (hopefully in a 10+ minute chat), I and others might want to donate some PTS so you can fund further development. ;)
"Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them. Stretch out with your feelings" --Ben Keyhotee to Luke
wow, that is actually the first coherent reason i have heard to honour PTS since i launched, you sir may make a fine advocate. The idea is in the works,, but i'd like to confer with open minded people on how to implement, maybe you can be part of the conversation and help us create a free open and auditable fund that will benefit the group, the community and even future DACs
Well lets do this in an open audio format so people can listen in their cars. Let's use this to....create buzz! And for God's sake lets please make sure we always try to attach it to something everyone loves and is slowly becomming a tradition--Star Wars :D
Oh...and btw, I have plenty more ideas and, since I am not intending on doing this for any material return per se, it gives me some interesting options that a "for profit" version would not give to bring an audience.
I'll start writing once i've had some R 'n' R, i'm tired, barely 5 hours sleep in the last 3 days. Yes, i will tip you , but i like that it's not for direct profits, it makes you impartial and you can point out some of the problems we have without being accused of bias.
there is no rule against posting your addresses and receiving some coin for your patience guys...hint hint :)9ZdkxeyaRnKun9ihztKKTHeMHB5p2yzSxz Cheers
there is no rule against posting your addresses and receiving some coin for your patience guys...hint hint :)
there is no rule against posting your addresses and receiving some coin for your patience guys...hint hint :)9nwCNdPmHFNo5gsQkpSuuEwKL5dpF19K7K
there is no rule against posting your addresses and receiving some coin for your patience guys...hint hint :)
I wish this stuff was more user friendly for the technically challenged. I have no idea what to do. Is the wallet compatible with Mac? Why do I have the feeling that's a no.
This is the reason developers are usually in he backend of most companies and don't deal with customers (see the movie Officespace ;D). You guys don't design things to make it easy for the general population. If we want crypto to go mainstream this has to change or it will just stay buried in it's own underworld. :-\ :'( :-[ ??? :o :( >:(
I wish this stuff was more user friendly for the technically challenged. I have no idea what to do. Is the wallet compatible with Mac? Why do I have the feeling that's a no.
This is the reason developers are usually in he backend of most companies and don't deal with customers (see the movie Officespace ;D). You guys don't design things to make it easy for the general population. If we want crypto to go mainstream this has to change or it will just stay buried in it's own underworld. :-\ :'( :-[ ??? :o :( >:(
i agree, i'm not really good at articulating, it takes time for me to be coherent in anything other than technical work. I'm offering an immediate 300 NRS Bounty for the Production of a Getting Started Guide. 800 NRS for a fully functional Windows Wallet and a further 800 for Mac.
I have sent the first batch of giveaway shares.watch out for more random tips and giveaways.
after the last changes on git the compiling process under ubuntu didn't work anymore --- any ideas!?
I have sent the first batch of giveaway shares.watch out for more random tips and giveaways.
I would love to be part of the giveaway if I knew what to do. Are PTS holders still getting 1%?
Can we move this thread to its own child board parallel to MemoryCoin with the default option set to not include posts in the unread posts? It is clear that this will generate a lot of forum traffic just like MemoryCoin did. Lets leave the Alternative DACs thread for pending ideas and not launched coins.That's fine thanks. i need to confer with you in a bit, please check your inbox in a while when i get my numbers right.
I have sent the first batch of giveaway shares.watch out for more random tips and giveaways.
I would love to be part of the giveaway if I knew what to do. Are PTS holders still getting 1%?
Download a wallet and post your address.
Guide for mining on Digital Ocean or others:
Sign up for account.
Create droplet - choose which ever size you want.
Use Ubuntu 13.10 x64
sudo apt-get -y install git build-essential htop libboost-dev libboost-system-dev libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-thread-dev libssl-dev libdb++-dev libminiupnpc-dev git
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git clone https://github.com/Nameshar/NoirShares.git
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cd NoirShares/src
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mkdir obj
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make -f makefile.unix
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sudo cp -f NoirSharesd /usr/local/bin/
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cd
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mkdir -p .NoirShares
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echo 'server=1
listen=1
gen=1
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcuser=NoirSharesMiner
rpcpassword=**EnterRandomNumbers**
addnode=107.170.254.5
addnode=41.78.77.178' > .NoirShares/NoirShares.conf
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cd
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NoirSharesd --daemon
Commands
To create new address:
NoirSharesd getnewaddress Solo1 (name of address)
Getinfo:
NoirSharesd getinfo
Getmininginfo:
NoirSharesd getmininginfo
Listaccounts:
NoirSharesd listaccounts
Send coins:
NoirSharesd sendtoaddress xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 1 (replace 1 with amount)
Tips are appreciated: 9iq6W1LbtcTvJz4r1nQ1Rm69r9RkauVuH8
Well this is confusing as hell. I went to the forum in the main post and checked out a pool and not entirely sure its the right coin Noirbits as it diff is 8 and blocks mined already over 100k.
Very confusing and everything is all over the place with this new coin. Sorry barwizi but I have no idea if this coin is new or is it Norbit coin.
You should of prepared everything and just launched instead of doing these silly "PRE-ANN" that seems to be going on alot more now and having awful launches. Guessing diff started at 0 so some lucky miners instamined couple of dozen blocks.
Noirshares=fail...this thread should be move to bitcointalk now.
Back to PTS...
This topic should not be here in the first place. NOT complying to I3's 10% DAC provision in PTS/AGS model. There is an attempt to devalue DACs. No downloadable win 32/64 wallet during launch . Adhere to the DACs principle. Not to bend on what was laid out .
Well this is confusing as hell. I went to the forum in the main post and checked out a pool and not entirely sure its the right coin Noirbits as it diff is 8 and blocks mined already over 100k.
Very confusing and everything is all over the place with this new coin. Sorry barwizi but I have no idea if this coin is new or is it Norbit coin.
You should of prepared everything and just launched instead of doing these silly "PRE-ANN" that seems to be going on alot more now and having awful launches. Guessing diff started at 0 so some lucky miners instamined couple of dozen blocks.
Noirshares=fail...this thread should be move to bitcointalk now.
Back to PTS...
Noirshares=fail.
Mac Wallet:
https://mega.co.nz/#!0xpQTAZZ!gQwSgsRUH8R2tdAyOYT2uhnP3-ZwwrEA5TFSMljkMtE (https://mega.co.nz/#!0xpQTAZZ!gQwSgsRUH8R2tdAyOYT2uhnP3-ZwwrEA5TFSMljkMtE)
Tested: 10.8 - 64 bit.
Mac Data Directory:~/Library/Application Support/NoirShares
Open terminal and enter this command: open ~/Library/Application\ Support/NoirShares
NRS: 9WqJYubg3iuhQNRiNTEyc2ojh6uzJsQFcw
(http://gyazo.com/b32aa8ef7ba6b71751f991727e57b2e8.png)
Mac Wallet:
https://mega.co.nz/#!0xpQTAZZ!gQwSgsRUH8R2tdAyOYT2uhnP3-ZwwrEA5TFSMljkMtE (https://mega.co.nz/#!0xpQTAZZ!gQwSgsRUH8R2tdAyOYT2uhnP3-ZwwrEA5TFSMljkMtE)
Tested: 10.8 - 64 bit.
Mac Data Directory:~/Library/Application Support/NoirShares
Open terminal and enter this command: open ~/Library/Application\ Support/NoirShares
NRS: 9WqJYubg3iuhQNRiNTEyc2ojh6uzJsQFcw
(http://gyazo.com/b32aa8ef7ba6b71751f991727e57b2e8.png)
This topic should not be here in the first place. NOT complying to I3's 10% DAC provision in PTS/AGS model. There is an attempt to devalue DACs. No downloadable win 32/64 wallet during launch . Adhere to the DACs principle. Not to bend on what was laid out .
NIG is not a subsidiary of III, we intended to work TOGETHER not FOR. If we give value to PTS, what value will PTS give to NRS?
This topic should not be here in the first place. NOT complying to I3's 10% DAC provision in PTS/AGS model. There is an attempt to devalue DACs. No downloadable win 32/64 wallet during launch . Adhere to the DACs principle. Not to bend on what was laid out .
NIG is not a subsidiary of III, we intended to work TOGETHER not FOR. If we give value to PTS, what value will PTS give to NRS?
Invictus views itself as a "subsidiary" -- we work for PTS/AGS holders.
Peers who want to work with us therefore work for them.
:)
I m on vacation so excuse my inability to read the whole thread.
Could you give me a quick run down about...
...why should I invest: What makes it a crypto equity (as opposed to a crypto currency) and a crypto currency?
... you meantioned it as a equity and currency fir NIG. What is nice. What service does it provide?
... looking at http://noirbits.org/ it looks like an ordinary altcoin. What more does it offer?
... How can I invest and what are the conditions (how long does the IPO last if there is one?)
..what source code do you use (your own, bitcoin, I3's)?
Thanks
noirbits.org
When a wolfpack work together hunting, each has different roles. Same is true within a crypto ecosystem.
it a wild world out there.
10% is what the pack offers, you should leave it if you don't feel love in the air ....
Because from an economic point of view i can tell you this, it is not sustainable for a crypto-equity to have 10% of it's total in circulation right at the beginning. WHY? Because for the equity to gain a price people need to work for it and take it to market, where they will meet with buyers and agree on a price. If i gave a literal free 10% to PTS holders, most would not cherish it and sell it at any random price because they have not expended any resource to acquire them, they are free. Please look at how MMC performed at Market due to an excess of available units at inception.
While you figure that out, plese keep in mind that PTS is entitling someone to a share in NRS, but is NRS entitling someone to PTS?
When a wolfpack work together hunting, each has different roles. Same is true within a crypto ecosystem.see, that is the thing, all i get are demands for 10% but no clear reason why. This exercise brings forward many of the questions that where asked as we crafted the Social Consensus Software License, read the bounty thread. I am all for giving PTS holders a stake, but i'd like to hear them justify it.
it a wild world out there.
10% is what the pack offers, you should leave it if you don't feel love in the air ....
here is another example for you
THIS IS WHY PTS HOLDERS DID NOT GET THEIR 1% STAKES IN GENESIS BLOCK:- https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2919.0 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2919.0)
I finally figured it out but it was too late, launch time had passed. However if you read my response to Stan and III comes up with a good response, I'll tell you which wallet version to download that will give you your NRS.
I m on vacation so excuse my inability to read the whole thread.
Could you give me a quick run down about...
...why should I invest: What makes it a crypto equity (as opposed to a crypto currency) and a crypto currency?
... you meantioned it as a equity and currency fir NIG. What is nice. What service does it provide?
... looking at http://noirbits.org/ it looks like an ordinary altcoin. What more does it offer?
... How can I invest and what are the conditions (how long does the IPO last if there is one?)
..what source code do you use (your own, bitcoin, I3's)?
Thanks
Invest in NRS beacuse it is a decentalized risk/profit enterprise. What make it s crypto-equity is because it seeks to have self valuation beyond current scope of the average crypto. It is a crypto-equity because an invested unit will represent a stake in all and all activities NIG partakes and is a legitimate pfoof of your share of the profits/risks in any and all ventures. An invested unit also represents your existence as a share holder and entitles you to a say in what ventures are pursued, to what extend. The terms of operation and who becomes the leading figure, that includes even firing me for incompetence. in fact if the PTS collective had gotten all those shares in the beginning they would have the power right now to fire me.
What service does it provide?
The very first venture being pursued is an exchange that allows NRS/NRB holders to trade directly in USD. PTS is meant to be part of this venture, but until we solve our diffrences, their tab will remain greyed out.Quotenoirbits.org
It is an old site that we are seeking to update, the actual dev has been offline a while, we hope he is ok. in the mean time another website is being worked on by another dev. More details over the coming week.
How can I invest and what are the conditions
NIG will work with a 3 tier investment portfolio from which holders and investors are free to choose from. The investment options will be opened after this document :- Noir Investment Group Initiation Document (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPycU12eWh3Q0Z0R0E/edit?usp=sharing) is law, in order to protect Investors.
what source code do you use
PPC source adjusted to use momentum and make it difficult to instamine or overwhelm the network.
Thanks for your questions.
When a wolfpack work together hunting, each has different roles. Same is true within a crypto ecosystem.
it a wild world out there.
10% is what the pack offers, you should leave it if you don't feel love in the air ....
actually wolves may hunt together but they fight over the food.
see, that is the thing, all i get are demands for 10% but no clear reason why. This exercise brings forward many of the questions that where asked as we crafted the Social Consensus Software License, read the bounty thread. I am all for giving PTS holders a stake, but i'd like to hear them justify it. If i subtract the 3 or 4 active holders who are assisting me and advising me what other assistance has the PTS holding group offered? If only you knew the hell i went through to get that code to even produce a single hash with no help.
here is another example for you
THIS IS WHY PTS HOLDERS DID NOT GET THEIR 1% STAKES IN GENESIS BLOCK:- https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2919.0 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2919.0)
I finally figured it out but it was too late, launch time had passed. However if you read my response to Stan and III comes up with a good response, I'll tell you which wallet version to download that will give you your NRS.
Because from an economic point of view i can tell you this, it is not sustainable for a crypto-equity to have 10% of it's total in circulation right at the beginning.
When a wolfpack work together hunting, each has different roles. Same is true within a crypto ecosystem.see, that is the thing, all i get are demands for 10% but no clear reason why. This exercise brings forward many of the questions that where asked as we crafted the Social Consensus Software License, read the bounty thread. I am all for giving PTS holders a stake, but i'd like to hear them justify it.
it a wild world out there.
10% is what the pack offers, you should leave it if you don't feel love in the air ....
Dude, I think you are completely misunderstanding the purpose of PTS and what value PTS holders provide.Quotehere is another example for you
THIS IS WHY PTS HOLDERS DID NOT GET THEIR 1% STAKES IN GENESIS BLOCK:- https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2919.0 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2919.0)
I finally figured it out but it was too late, launch time had passed. However if you read my response to Stan and III comes up with a good response, I'll tell you which wallet version to download that will give you your NRS.
This is not a good reason, in fact this just lowers confidence in your venture...
Dude, I think you are completely misunderstanding the purpose of PTS and what value PTS holders provide.
This is not a good reason, in fact this just lowers confidence in your venture...
When a wolfpack work together hunting, each has different roles. Same is true within a crypto ecosystem.
it a wild world out there.
10% is what the pack offers, you should leave it if you don't feel love in the air ....
actually wolves may hunt together but they fight over the food.
see, that is the thing, all i get are demands for 10% but no clear reason why. This exercise brings forward many of the questions that where asked as we crafted the Social Consensus Software License, read the bounty thread. I am all for giving PTS holders a stake, but i'd like to hear them justify it. If i subtract the 3 or 4 active holders who are assisting me and advising me what other assistance has the PTS holding group offered? If only you knew the hell i went through to get that code to even produce a single hash with no help.
here is another example for you
THIS IS WHY PTS HOLDERS DID NOT GET THEIR 1% STAKES IN GENESIS BLOCK:- https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2919.0 (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2919.0)
I finally figured it out but it was too late, launch time had passed. However if you read my response to Stan and III comes up with a good response, I'll tell you which wallet version to download that will give you your NRS.
Simply speaking it would give you the sympathy and support and continued attention of PTS/AGS holders.
QuoteDude, I think you are completely misunderstanding the purpose of PTS and what value PTS holders provide.Please do tell.
QuoteThis is not a good reason, in fact this just lowers confidence in your venture...
I hope you can answer my questions clearly, what is the exact benefit for NRS miner X when i give PTS holder Y free shares? If the issue was give 10% to the DAC development fund, it would be instantaneous, i would know that this is going to help other DACs. But the feeling i am getting here is give 10% share to PTS holders, shares that NRS miners are struggling to mine.
Tell me the tangible benefits to this issue and then tell me what assurances NIG has that PTS holders will not repeat the massive dumping that was done on MMC. Too many units existed in the beginning, that resulted in dumping. Bitshares X is funded by PTS which has a steady value and BTC, so you cannot seriously try to use it as an example.
QuoteDude, I think you are completely misunderstanding the purpose of PTS and what value PTS holders provide.Please do tell.
The value PTS holders provide is a massive network of knowledgeable early adopters. It makes the difference between 3 people working on your ecosystem and 50 people working. Read this thread to see just how many people with the relevant skills and interests are choosing not to work on this venture because you are not honoring the PTS social contract.QuoteQuoteThis is not a good reason, in fact this just lowers confidence in your venture...
I hope you can answer my questions clearly, what is the exact benefit for NRS miner X when i give PTS holder Y free shares? If the issue was give 10% to the DAC development fund, it would be instantaneous, i would know that this is going to help other DACs. But the feeling i am getting here is give 10% share to PTS holders, shares that NRS miners are struggling to mine.
Putting work into something does not automatically give it value. If that were true, I could make "burn&mine coin" which you have to both burn BTC *and* do proof-of-work and they should automatically have value because I put time and money into it!QuoteTell me the tangible benefits to this issue and then tell me what assurances NIG has that PTS holders will not repeat the massive dumping that was done on MMC. Too many units existed in the beginning, that resulted in dumping. Bitshares X is funded by PTS which has a steady value and BTC, so you cannot seriously try to use it as an example.
Tangible benefits discussed above. To your second point
* So you expect DAC enthusiasts and early adopters to be more likely to dump than miners? Miners HAVE to dump to make a profit from their mining.
* "dumping" is just price discovery - if people are willing to sell at price X that means those people think it is worth X.
* MMC honored only about 1% which means that there were more mined coins than premined coins after just a few days!
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This topic should not be here in the first place. NOT complying to I3's 10% DAC provision in PTS/AGS model. There is an attempt to devalue DACs. No downloadable win 32/64 wallet during launch . Adhere to the DACs principle. Not to bend on what was laid out .
NIG is not a subsidiary of III, we intended to work TOGETHER not FOR. If we give value to PTS, what value will PTS give to NRS?
Invictus views itself as a "subsidiary" -- we work for PTS/AGS holders.
Peers who want to work with us therefore work for them.
:)
I think you're putting the cart before the horse. The miners do not show support, they just mine and sell - they do not contribute to the ecosystem except for contributing to network security and the value of that drops over time with PoS coin.
On the other hand, If I have more NRS then I am more committed to seeing them increase in value. I didn't even bother claiming any MMC because of how little I got per PTS, but I will be all over developing stuff for BTS because I stand to gain from BTS gaining value. With that in mind I will be passing on this venture because I stand to gain almost nothing from putting in my time and effort.
Right now NRS have no value, but by getting people interested in the idea you could have them help you give NRS value by developing concrete value propositions for shareholders. The miners will not give NRS value, most will just sell as long as it is profitable for them to mine and then stop mining.
I think it will be clearer if you realize that what you are doing is totally equivalent to making something like Protoshares 2.0 and then awarding 10% NRS premine according to PTS 2.0 holdings at the date at which NRS would have naturally had 10%. Doesn't that seem strictly worse? Do you have such high confidence that you will succeed without the larger network that you are willing to trade that advantage for a bigger fraction of coins for your early miners?
...
you toast have 1000 PTS, NRS holder has 1000k, he mined to show support, you did not. There is no way i will give you 100 NRS, i had planned to give you 30, why? because with that 30, you would have a small interest in what i am doing, as a result you'd check in once in a while. later when you see the developments and choose to want in, you'll either mine, or buy-in. But if i gave you 100 NRS, you would already have enough to invest without even expending a single resource. meaning the dividends due to those shares are all free, not a single addition of value from you.
I think you're putting the cart before the horse. The miners do not show support, they just mine and sell - they do not contribute to the ecosystem except for contributing to network security and the value of that drops over time with PoS coin.
On the other hand, If I have more NRS then I am more committed to seeing them increase in value. I didn't even bother claiming any MMC because of how little I got per PTS, but I will be all over developing stuff for BTS because I stand to gain from BTS gaining value. With that in mind I will be passing on this venture because I stand to gain almost nothing from putting in my time and effort.
Right now NRS have no value, but by getting people interested in the idea you could have them help you give NRS value by developing concrete value propositions for shareholders. The miners will not give NRS value, most will just sell as long as it is profitable for them to mine and then stop mining.
I think it will be clearer if you realize that what you are doing is totally equivalent to making something like Protoshares 2.0 and then awarding 10% NRS premine according to PTS 2.0 holdings at the date at which NRS would have naturally had 10%. Doesn't that seem strictly worse? Do you have such high confidence that you will succeed without the larger network that you are willing to trade that advantage for a bigger fraction of coins for your early miners?
you have stressed the idea of bringing in PTS holders for their attention. I get that and i accpeted it already, the issue is the % stake. how do i justify the 10% to those who invest in NRS directly? Its not just about having lots of people holding the shares. but also about investors. What is the point in investing in NRS if you can just invest in PTS and get a piece of both?
...
you toast have 1000 PTS, NRS holder has 1000k, he mined to show support, you did not. There is no way i will give you 100 NRS, i had planned to give you 30, why? because with that 30, you would have a small interest in what i am doing, as a result you'd check in once in a while. later when you see the developments and choose to want in, you'll either mine, or buy-in. But if i gave youQuote100 NRS, you would already have enough to invest without even expending a single resource. meaning the dividends due to those shares are all free, not a single addition of value from you.
"Free" and "already payed for" are not the same thing.
Honoring the social consensus, in my opinion, is not about getting people to help you write your code as much as it is about building the network effect. As is obvious looking at the list of failcoins, building network effect is much more difficult than just writing the code. By honoring the social consensus, you invite this community (as one of the largest and most qualified cryptoequity and DAC communities in existence) to judge your product. If they think it's worthless, they'll certainly dump it. If not, even those who don't help code it will use it, and will relay word of its merit to those around them.
thanks your opinion makes sense but my issue is the %
lol, stan answer my questions please. i'd like to hear it in plain clear words from you, why i should give 10% to PTS holders.
then you made one wrong assumption, read the NRS license that comes as part of the code.
Honestly, these NoirShares are make no economic sense as a DAC but are in fact a means of duplicating the business model of Invictus. I think the issue with share allocation is no ones business but your own as you are the creator of this coin. As the creator you own 100% of the shares and may allocate them as you wish.
The issue comes down to how you plan to give them value. Instead of learning from Invictus and the history of PTS which absent AGS would have likely failed miserably, you have attempted to repeat the process.
Here is what you have overlooked, the people who you really gave your shares to were the power companies, cloud computing and mining pools. The miners still have to pay for the shares they get with time and energy and thus ultimately do not get something for nothing. These companies take their profit without benefiting your efforts at all, meanwhile your share holders are left holding something with no capital behind it. A mere receipt of capital consumed as if that entitled them to consume more capital in the future.
So the question of why should you honor PTS / AGS holders is because we can provide just as much benefit to you as the miners do without consuming our resources mining which means that we can then use the resources that we might have spent on mining actually helping your DAC to succeed. Instead you must ask miners to first spend time and energy mining AND THEN also help you succeed. From an economics perspective, which is more efficient and likely to help you grow?
You could have gone the 10/10 and still mined 80% but apparently the marginal utility of honoring the power companies with an extra 16% was perceived as greater than the marginal utility of honoring AGS/PTS holders with 2000% more. A choice that does not make sense to me.
Obviously it is too late now, but I am participating in this discussion because it is illustrative for future DAC creators.
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 8 has type ‘uint32_t {aka unsigned int}’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 9 has type ‘uint32_t {aka unsigned int}’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%d’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 11 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%llx’ expects argument of type ‘long long unsigned int’, but argument 13 has type ‘unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%x’ expects argument of type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 14 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 15 has type ‘uint64 {aka long long unsigned int}’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 16 has type ‘unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%d’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 17 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 19 has type ‘unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%u’ expects argument of type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 20 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%u’ expects argument of type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 21 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
NoirSharesd: kernel.cpp:368: unsigned int GetStakeModifierChecksum(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindex->pprev || pindex->GetBlockHash() == (!fTestNet ? hashGenesisBlock : hashGenesisBlockTestNet)' failed.
./NoirSharesd importprivkey UMKZPy*****************************
error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid private key"}
sorry :-(
Lots of warning due to a single line:Code: [Select]main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 8 has type ‘uint32_t {aka unsigned int}’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 9 has type ‘uint32_t {aka unsigned int}’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%d’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 11 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%llx’ expects argument of type ‘long long unsigned int’, but argument 13 has type ‘unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%x’ expects argument of type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 14 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 15 has type ‘uint64 {aka long long unsigned int}’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 16 has type ‘unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%d’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 17 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 19 has type ‘unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%u’ expects argument of type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 20 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%u’ expects argument of type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 21 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
testing import when compile is finished
//EDIT: hmm .. run time error:Code: [Select]NoirSharesd: kernel.cpp:368: unsigned int GetStakeModifierChecksum(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindex->pprev || pindex->GetBlockHash() == (!fTestNet ? hashGenesisBlock : hashGenesisBlockTestNet)' failed.
//EDIT:
moved the original .NoirShare folder and started over. Daemon running.
exported Privkey from protoshare daemonCode: [Select]./NoirSharesd importprivkey UMKZPy*****************************sorry :-(
error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid private key"}
Lots of warning due to a single line:Code: [Select]main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 8 has type ‘uint32_t {aka unsigned int}’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 9 has type ‘uint32_t {aka unsigned int}’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%d’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 11 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%llx’ expects argument of type ‘long long unsigned int’, but argument 13 has type ‘unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%x’ expects argument of type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 14 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 15 has type ‘uint64 {aka long long unsigned int}’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 16 has type ‘unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%d’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 17 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char*’, but argument 19 has type ‘unsigned int’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%u’ expects argument of type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 20 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
main.h:1346:16: warning: format ‘%u’ expects argument of type ‘unsigned int’, but argument 21 has type ‘const char*’ [-Wformat]
testing import when compile is finished
//EDIT: hmm .. run time error:Code: [Select]NoirSharesd: kernel.cpp:368: unsigned int GetStakeModifierChecksum(const CBlockIndex*): Assertion `pindex->pprev || pindex->GetBlockHash() == (!fTestNet ? hashGenesisBlock : hashGenesisBlockTestNet)' failed.
//EDIT:
moved the original .NoirShare folder and started over. Daemon running.
exported Privkey from protoshare daemonCode: [Select]./NoirSharesd importprivkey UMKZPy*****************************sorry :-(
error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid private key"}
Tell me the tangible benefits to this issue and then tell me what assurances NIG has that PTS holders will not repeat the massive dumping that was done on MMC. Too many units existed in the beginning, that resulted in dumping. Bitshares X is funded by PTS which has a steady value and BTC, so you cannot seriously try to use it as an example.
Tell me the tangible benefits to this issue and then tell me what assurances NIG has that PTS holders will not repeat the massive dumping that was done on MMC. Too many units existed in the beginning, that resulted in dumping. Bitshares X is funded by PTS which has a steady value and BTC, so you cannot seriously try to use it as an example.
"Rome wasn't built in a day"
Just want to let you know I have been trying to get into talks with MMC's people to interview them and have a sit-down, two, three with the community. I will like to attempt this with every new "DAC" that honors the social consensus in some way so I can help to grow the community and build a channel to help bridge the gap between Crypto-Devs and the Community. It would be nice to help Devs get face-time with (potential) community members so they can gain a higher level of trust among the entire crypto-network.
At first, ONE crypto-equity is going to rise above the pack. BitShares has the potential if this social consensus is adhered to, or some other (NoirShares?). I do not care which one, but I know one thing...it will not have a divided group of Devs trying to pull the social consensus in multiple directions will fragment movement in ANY helpful direction.
As I see it, BitCoin largely grew because of Litecoin helping to open up a user-base who didn't yet understand the tech (and were not first adopters) to become "second adopters". This broadens the user base and opens it up to more people. So with that said, I am all for honest competition between Crypto Equities, but see the need for social-consensus-honoring services as well. Using NoirBits as a means for purchasing NoirShares is similar to PTS funding model, but this is open source soooo if you are writing the code but just using the funding model then sure...
Regardless, with NoirShares, I am starting to read that it does not use Invictus Code and as such is not expecting support from our community. As such, I say go for it Barwizi. It is a big loss to the community to see you with your efforts put elsewhere and I will be sad to see you go, but it is what it is and a project like NoirShares will be a full-time job.
With all this said, however, I am beginning to wonder if certain other platforms with so much BitCoin momentum are not going to blow all these fragmented attempts at crypto-equities away. Remember this, they have many hardcore BTC Devs behind them and are riding on the coat-tails of that to keep hype up for their product. I really do not know how any other crypto-equities are going to stand a chance without a pooling of community-members to create a similar project to what is occurring with them. One crypto-equity will hold a competition to get the best algorithm from some of the brightest minds, and will likely hire all of them afterwards. THIS IS HOW you get Devs to sign-on for the long haul. They need to believe that if they do not, their chances are far worse for succeeding.
Sincerely hope the people from both Invictus and NoirShares are listening on the last point.
(P.S. If you are looking for utility, give PTS holders the NoirShares, but create an "AngelShares Noir" fund where PTS/BTC/NoirBits are all accepted...this way miners know that at least a portion of the shares they mine will have a higher chance of becoming valuable and will not be subject to quick sell-off--i.e. devaluation. Invictus' model was an attempt to help set a standard so there were not 1000 pump-and-dump altcoins like BitCoin had. Though miners love it and get rich quick, it doesn't help society or the community--and worse incentivizes the public to BEG for regulation in the "mining" industry)
Regardless, with NoirShares, I am starting to read that it does not use Invictus Code and as such is not expecting support from our community. As such, I say go for it Barwizi. It is a big loss to the community to see you with your efforts put elsewhere and I will be sad to see you go, but it is what it is and a project like NoirShares will be a full-time job.
With all this said, however, I am beginning to wonder if certain other platforms with so much BitCoin momentum are not going to blow all these fragmented attempts at crypto-equities away. Remember this, they have many hardcore BTC Devs behind them and are riding on the coat-tails of that to keep hype up for their product. I really do not know how any other crypto-equities are going to stand a chance without a pooling of community-members to create a similar project to what is occurring with them. One crypto-equity will hold a competition to get the best algorithm from some of the brightest minds, and will likely hire all of them afterwards. THIS IS HOW you get Devs to sign-on for the long haul. They need to believe that if they do not, their chances are far worse for succeeding.
Sincerely hope the people from both Invictus and NoirShares are listening on the last point.
Please check your debug, it should display your old private key and then a new one for you. in this format :-It states:
Before ***********************************************
after *********************************************
before UMKZPyDT28Hs4****************************after UMKZPyDT28Hs*************************
Also checked with a different key. Same result:before UL5akKb8bQn*******************after UL5akKb8bQn*********************
Has it started, or when will it start from now?Yes. 2 days ago
Does it honour PTS? If yes, has the snapshot been taken? I have to withdraw from exchange if not.Not really ... Discussion ongoing ...
commit 4faed31be7db5f283f1769321f7abc18283525cc
Author: Nameshar <nameshar@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Feb 17 16:01:30 2014 +0200
Adjusted percentages, new mining rules for threads and PTS fixes, need a tester
Create Block, 2067
Create Block, 2067
testHash ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffeeee
Hash Target 0003b12e00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Has it started, or when will it start from now?Yes. 2 days agoDoes it honour PTS? If yes, has the snapshot been taken? I have to withdraw from exchange if not.Not really ... Discussion ongoing ...
Have you check memorycoin2 souces on that issue?
Has it started, or when will it start from now?
Does it honour PTS? If yes, has the snapshot been taken? I have to withdraw from exchange if not.
I have sent the first batch of giveaway shares.watch out for more random tips and giveaways.
I would love to be part of the giveaway if I knew what to do. Are PTS holders still getting 1%?
Has it started, or when will it start from now?
Does it honour PTS? If yes, has the snapshot been taken? I have to withdraw from exchange if not.
Safest and best place for storing your PTS is local wallet or paperwallet ..
edit: snapshot has been taken on launch
Has it started, or when will it start from now?
Does it honour PTS? If yes, has the snapshot been taken? I have to withdraw from exchange if not.
Safest and best place for storing your PTS is local wallet or paperwallet ..
edit: snapshot has been taken on launch
Bahh, so can't claim with my PTS then ... :(
Anyways, tried mining with the windows wallet and got 2.5 hashes. Got a feeling its not working properly. Will put a second processor (and possibly another) once we get a proper one.
EDIT: 9h77BLiMPBV2BmEpG9ASs3XMFKgz9qvaZE if anybody is feeling generous.
Though some of my attention is now divided, i still am an active member of PTS community and III knows i am not going anywhere. My discoveries, ideas and innovations are for the group as a whole, they may be snubbing us here but we are still a part of this. Some have as much as 5000 PTS that was bought in anticipation of BTSX, my own PTS holdings are nothing to scoff at either. It should be noted that after i created the PoS/PoW Momentum code, i made it available to bytemaster. All my work will be shared with III without exception, if we can deal with our differences, i believe we can start attacking some of the issues that we will face.
NIG is not in a hurry, as proven by my not opening investment options before all the structures are in place. The Noir Fund is already being tested but there are some security concerns that i want to deal with first before making it public. As it is meant to promote decentralization, some areas need ingenuity and innovation. for me it's easier coded than said.
With regard to factionalism, it does not exist. We may have brought in many new players, but quite a sizeable chunk of shares are in the hands of PTS holders already. And after a while when things pick up, there will be a lot of cross-investing as some of the ideas from both parties will work hand in hand.
Can you get a good windows wallet? Mine is still mining at 2.5 hashes and suffice to say hasn't found anything yet.
the situation is progressing unfavorably for PTS holders at the moment. I need help with the honouring of PTS immediately.
the situation is progressing unfavorably for PTS holders at the moment. I need help with the honouring of PTS immediately.
Can you just sell NoirShares for protoshares at a discount? Instead of giving PTS holders something for nothing, you could give them 2x of what you'll charge for with Bitcoin. Then you're supporting the PTS ecosystem (offering a premium over current market valuations because you believe in the long/short term potential) and especially right now becoming further vested in the Bitshares ecosystem since PTs are quite valuable until the 28th of Feb
the situation is progressing unfavorably for PTS holders at the moment. I need help with the honouring of PTS immediately.
Can you just sell NoirShares for protoshares at a discount? Instead of giving PTS holders something for nothing, you could give them 2x of what you'll charge for with Bitcoin. Then you're supporting the PTS ecosystem (offering a premium over current market valuations because you believe in the long/short term potential) and especially right now becoming further vested in the Bitshares ecosystem since PTs are quite valuable until the 28th of Feb
We are trying to work out an automatic method of accomplishing that.
the situation is progressing unfavorably for PTS holders at the moment. I need help with the honouring of PTS immediately.
Can you just sell NoirShares for protoshares at a discount? Instead of giving PTS holders something for nothing, you could give them 2x of what you'll charge for with Bitcoin. Then you're supporting the PTS ecosystem (offering a premium over current market valuations because you believe in the long/short term potential) and especially right now becoming further vested in the Bitshares ecosystem since PTs are quite valuable until the 28th of Feb
We are trying to work out an automatic method of accomplishing that.
This sounds like a great idea. However, I am curious--wouldn't one just wait until after Feb 28th to use them to buy NoirShares? At that juncture, unless there was a market mechanism like AngelShares has (fixed amount released daily, % awarded based on finite supply against an uncapped investment amount), might there be issues with buying up NoirShares for nothing...
Of course, on the opposite end, I suppose being able to use them for NoirShares after Feb 28th could also help stabalize the price of PTS after the "snapshot" is taken and keep it from dropping too much since PTS would still be used to purchase another crypto-equity that is being worked on by a trusted Dev.
I really feel you Barwizi...this is something worth a big community discussion. It is surprising so few of the community are posting their opinions on this. Thanks for participating Adam...good to hear another's voice in this echo chamber ;)
I really feel you Barwizi...this is something worth a big community discussion. It is surprising so few of the community are posting their opinions on this. Thanks for participating Adam...good to hear another's voice in this echo chamber ;)
The next update of the client is confirmed to be importing PTS addresses. So... i've decided to discard the old snapshot, if you wish for NoirShares.... i suggest you transfer your PTS to your local client, we will take a new snapshot in 12 hours. We cannot extend the date any further due to time constraints.
Has it started, or when will it start from now?
Does it honour PTS? If yes, has the snapshot been taken? I have to withdraw from exchange if not.
Safest and best place for storing your PTS is local wallet or paperwallet ..
edit: snapshot has been taken on launch
Bahh, so can't claim with my PTS then ... :(
Downloaded Windows client, connects and updates fine. But get Runtime error as soon as I start to mine. "setgenerate true" is right command for mining?
9T9q1zQemXBePujXE94ydn6S1F5HR2pmEL
So basicly you are waving your promises away for noirbits holders and giving the import to PTS holders?
Also looks like PTS is in a big pump.
Really time to leave this one far behind as i know how horrible your support was for NoirBits.
That people still fall for this stuff...
So basicly you are waving your promises away for noirbits holders and giving the import to PTS holders?
Also looks like PTS is in a big pump.
Really time to leave this one far behind as i know how horrible your support was for NoirBits.
That people still fall for this stuff...
If you were really a Noirbits holder, you had over two months to join the discussion over how to move forward. If you were really a long time supporter of Noirbits, you'd remember that against my advice, people went with a fork made by an over enthusiastic pool owner and they ended up being left in the dirt. Rather than be sensitive and hurt, i took it back and added it to my plans.
i am building a platform for it to grow far beyond that. If you impatient, then by all means, help us gather resources to pay for the development of the exchange.
So basicly you are waving your promises away for noirbits holders and giving the import to PTS holders?
Also looks like PTS is in a big pump.
Really time to leave this one far behind as i know how horrible your support was for NoirBits.
That people still fall for this stuff...
If you were really a Noirbits holder, you had over two months to join the discussion over how to move forward. If you were really a long time supporter of Noirbits, you'd remember that against my advice, people went with a fork made by an over enthusiastic pool owner and they ended up being left in the dirt. Rather than be sensitive and hurt, i took it back and added it to my plans.
i am building a platform for it to grow far beyond that. If you impatient, then by all means, help us gather resources to pay for the development of the exchange.
What discussion? The discussion where you never gave answers but made fake promises to Noirbits holders by given them noirshares by holding noribits? Do we really have to quote yourself? There was no discussion possible with you if you never give a proper answer.
To bad that protoshares is involved with this after the failure of memorycoin. Time to sell my BTC AGS key and put my money ethereum. Looks like bitcloud didn't leave this ship without sense
To bad that protoshares is involved with this after the failure of memorycoin. Time to sell my BTC AGS key and put my money ethereum. Looks like bitcloud didn't leave this ship without sense
So basicly you are waving your promises away for noirbits holders and giving the import to PTS holders?
Also looks like PTS is in a big pump.
Really time to leave this one far behind as i know how horrible your support was for NoirBits.
That people still fall for this stuff...
If you were really a Noirbits holder, you had over two months to join the discussion over how to move forward. If you were really a long time supporter of Noirbits, you'd remember that against my advice, people went with a fork made by an over enthusiastic pool owner and they ended up being left in the dirt. Rather than be sensitive and hurt, i took it back and added it to my plans.
i am building a platform for it to grow far beyond that. If you impatient, then by all means, help us gather resources to pay for the development of the exchange.
What discussion? The discussion where you never gave answers but made fake promises to Noirbits holders by given them noirshares by holding noribits? Do we really have to quote yourself? There was no discussion possible with you if you never give a proper answer.
To bad that protoshares is involved with this after the failure of memorycoin. Time to sell my BTC AGS key and put my money ethereum. Looks like bitcloud didn't leave this ship without sense
My opinion is that you are a sour individual who wanted to cash in early and get rich quick without putting any effort. such shallow thinking is not viable in the crypto equity area. You could have simply asked for NRS instead you wish to throw accusations in my face, doesnt say nuch for your motivations. NRB will have it's platform and if you are unhappy that is has been seperated from NRS then you do not share my vision. Lol, have you tried contacting me? I seem to post skype name every few days, no word from you. Get past what ever problems you are having and choose what you wish to do. If you do not believe NRB are worth holding, then noone will force you to. However, you have snubbed NRB,NRS and PTS in one post, which leaves me wondering if you even understand the ideas here.
NRB== CRYTPTOCOIN
NRS== CRYPTOCOIN/EQUITY
they serve different purposes and will have different platforms.
I have compiled a list of the officers in charge of this project. most of my free time has been used working on designing the shares and a new currency. I will import all balances from NRB, I now have the data to back my earlier claims that scrypt coins are done for and the current implementation of hashcash algo is obsolete.
Like any currency ours needs to respond to changes on a global scale, in a manner not easily manipulated by a single entity with the $$$ or politics. My new proposed design further explores the realistic viability of fullscale deployment of a digital currency. To that effect, i am now overwhelmed by some of the work and as a result i need a coder or two to assist with the workload. For those who have seen my work on other forums, i will be implementing a Software license along with this new currency to protect actual investors.
The new skype chat group will be opened midweek for face to face communication. A for the financial and documentation side........WE ARE SET!!!!
So basicly you are waving your promises away for noirbits holders and giving the import to PTS holders?
Also looks like PTS is in a big pump.
Really time to leave this one far behind as i know how horrible your support was for NoirBits.
That people still fall for this stuff...
If you were really a Noirbits holder, you had over two months to join the discussion over how to move forward. If you were really a long time supporter of Noirbits, you'd remember that against my advice, people went with a fork made by an over enthusiastic pool owner and they ended up being left in the dirt. Rather than be sensitive and hurt, i took it back and added it to my plans.
i am building a platform for it to grow far beyond that. If you impatient, then by all means, help us gather resources to pay for the development of the exchange.
What discussion? The discussion where you never gave answers but made fake promises to Noirbits holders by given them noirshares by holding noribits? Do we really have to quote yourself? There was no discussion possible with you if you never give a proper answer.
To bad that protoshares is involved with this after the failure of memorycoin. Time to sell my BTC AGS key and put my money ethereum. Looks like bitcloud didn't leave this ship without sense
My opinion is that you are a sour individual who wanted to cash in early and get rich quick without putting any effort. such shallow thinking is not viable in the crypto equity area. You could have simply asked for NRS instead you wish to throw accusations in my face, doesnt say nuch for your motivations. NRB will have it's platform and if you are unhappy that is has been seperated from NRS then you do not share my vision. Lol, have you tried contacting me? I seem to post skype name every few days, no word from you. Get past what ever problems you are having and choose what you wish to do. If you do not believe NRB are worth holding, then noone will force you to. However, you have snubbed NRB,NRS and PTS in one post, which leaves me wondering if you even understand the ideas here.
NRB== CRYTPTOCOIN
NRS== CRYPTOCOIN/EQUITY
they serve different purposes and will have different platforms.
lol below was your final talk on importing NRB on the NRS genesis block, quoted from on the noirbits forum. i was involved with that forum from the start as team member under a different nick because i just wanted to see where this would end. Also with mining NRS i was busy for a week now so it's not about getting rich quick which i cannot say about how you do your things :)QuoteI have compiled a list of the officers in charge of this project. most of my free time has been used working on designing the shares and a new currency. I will import all balances from NRB, I now have the data to back my earlier claims that scrypt coins are done for and the current implementation of hashcash algo is obsolete.
Like any currency ours needs to respond to changes on a global scale, in a manner not easily manipulated by a single entity with the $$$ or politics. My new proposed design further explores the realistic viability of fullscale deployment of a digital currency. To that effect, i am now overwhelmed by some of the work and as a result i need a coder or two to assist with the workload. For those who have seen my work on other forums, i will be implementing a Software license along with this new currency to protect actual investors.
The new skype chat group will be opened midweek for face to face communication. A for the financial and documentation side........WE ARE SET!!!!
There was never ever mentioned anything about PTS, you are such a douche barwizi. Good luck with your NRS
Hi!
I just registered and am trying to understand what the exact value of the NRBs is that I am just holding? You already said it is at first the only currency accepted by Noirbank. What happens to NRBs if that changes? Does it still make sense to hold and buy even more NRB?
NRB is the crypto currency of choice for anything i develop, so their value at the moment is what you see on Cryptsy. But, when the infrastructure is in place and NRS is publicly available, NRB will be the currency we accept for transactions and deposits. This means to use any service offred, you need NRB...the price will rise.
So basicly you are waving your promises away for noirbits holders and giving the import to PTS holders?
Also looks like PTS is in a big pump.
Really time to leave this one far behind as i know how horrible your support was for NoirBits.
That people still fall for this stuff...
If you were really a Noirbits holder, you had over two months to join the discussion over how to move forward. If you were really a long time supporter of Noirbits, you'd remember that against my advice, people went with a fork made by an over enthusiastic pool owner and they ended up being left in the dirt. Rather than be sensitive and hurt, i took it back and added it to my plans.
i am building a platform for it to grow far beyond that. If you impatient, then by all means, help us gather resources to pay for the development of the exchange.
What discussion? The discussion where you never gave answers but made fake promises to Noirbits holders by given them noirshares by holding noribits? Do we really have to quote yourself? There was no discussion possible with you if you never give a proper answer.
To bad that protoshares is involved with this after the failure of memorycoin. Time to sell my BTC AGS key and put my money ethereum. Looks like bitcloud didn't leave this ship without sense
My opinion is that you are a sour individual who wanted to cash in early and get rich quick without putting any effort. such shallow thinking is not viable in the crypto equity area. You could have simply asked for NRS instead you wish to throw accusations in my face, doesnt say nuch for your motivations. NRB will have it's platform and if you are unhappy that is has been seperated from NRS then you do not share my vision. Lol, have you tried contacting me? I seem to post skype name every few days, no word from you. Get past what ever problems you are having and choose what you wish to do. If you do not believe NRB are worth holding, then noone will force you to. However, you have snubbed NRB,NRS and PTS in one post, which leaves me wondering if you even understand the ideas here.
NRB== CRYTPTOCOIN
NRS== CRYPTOCOIN/EQUITY
they serve different purposes and will have different platforms.
lol below was your final talk on importing NRB on the NRS genesis block, quoted from on the noirbits forum. i was involved with that forum from the start as team member under a different nick because i just wanted to see where this would end. Also with mining NRS i was busy for a week now so it's not about getting rich quick which i cannot say about how you do your things :)QuoteI have compiled a list of the officers in charge of this project. most of my free time has been used working on designing the shares and a new currency. I will import all balances from NRB, I now have the data to back my earlier claims that scrypt coins are done for and the current implementation of hashcash algo is obsolete.
Like any currency ours needs to respond to changes on a global scale, in a manner not easily manipulated by a single entity with the $$$ or politics. My new proposed design further explores the realistic viability of fullscale deployment of a digital currency. To that effect, i am now overwhelmed by some of the work and as a result i need a coder or two to assist with the workload. For those who have seen my work on other forums, i will be implementing a Software license along with this new currency to protect actual investors.
The new skype chat group will be opened midweek for face to face communication. A for the financial and documentation side........WE ARE SET!!!!
There was never ever mentioned anything about PTS, you are such a douche barwizi. Good luck with your NRS
http://noirbitstalk.org/index.php?topic=13.0 (http://noirbitstalk.org/index.php?topic=13.0)
check the dates, have you wondered why things changed?
So basicly you are waving your promises away for noirbits holders and giving the import to PTS holders?
Also looks like PTS is in a big pump.
Really time to leave this one far behind as i know how horrible your support was for NoirBits.
That people still fall for this stuff...
If you were really a Noirbits holder, you had over two months to join the discussion over how to move forward. If you were really a long time supporter of Noirbits, you'd remember that against my advice, people went with a fork made by an over enthusiastic pool owner and they ended up being left in the dirt. Rather than be sensitive and hurt, i took it back and added it to my plans.
i am building a platform for it to grow far beyond that. If you impatient, then by all means, help us gather resources to pay for the development of the exchange.
What discussion? The discussion where you never gave answers but made fake promises to Noirbits holders by given them noirshares by holding noribits? Do we really have to quote yourself? There was no discussion possible with you if you never give a proper answer.
To bad that protoshares is involved with this after the failure of memorycoin. Time to sell my BTC AGS key and put my money ethereum. Looks like bitcloud didn't leave this ship without sense
My opinion is that you are a sour individual who wanted to cash in early and get rich quick without putting any effort. such shallow thinking is not viable in the crypto equity area. You could have simply asked for NRS instead you wish to throw accusations in my face, doesnt say nuch for your motivations. NRB will have it's platform and if you are unhappy that is has been seperated from NRS then you do not share my vision. Lol, have you tried contacting me? I seem to post skype name every few days, no word from you. Get past what ever problems you are having and choose what you wish to do. If you do not believe NRB are worth holding, then noone will force you to. However, you have snubbed NRB,NRS and PTS in one post, which leaves me wondering if you even understand the ideas here.
NRB== CRYTPTOCOIN
NRS== CRYPTOCOIN/EQUITY
they serve different purposes and will have different platforms.
lol below was your final talk on importing NRB on the NRS genesis block, quoted from on the noirbits forum. i was involved with that forum from the start as team member under a different nick because i just wanted to see where this would end. Also with mining NRS i was busy for a week now so it's not about getting rich quick which i cannot say about how you do your things :)QuoteI have compiled a list of the officers in charge of this project. most of my free time has been used working on designing the shares and a new currency. I will import all balances from NRB, I now have the data to back my earlier claims that scrypt coins are done for and the current implementation of hashcash algo is obsolete.
Like any currency ours needs to respond to changes on a global scale, in a manner not easily manipulated by a single entity with the $$$ or politics. My new proposed design further explores the realistic viability of fullscale deployment of a digital currency. To that effect, i am now overwhelmed by some of the work and as a result i need a coder or two to assist with the workload. For those who have seen my work on other forums, i will be implementing a Software license along with this new currency to protect actual investors.
The new skype chat group will be opened midweek for face to face communication. A for the financial and documentation side........WE ARE SET!!!!
There was never ever mentioned anything about PTS, you are such a douche barwizi. Good luck with your NRS
http://noirbitstalk.org/index.php?topic=13.0 (http://noirbitstalk.org/index.php?topic=13.0)
check the dates, have you wondered why things changed?
this crypto culture is based on transparancy and the only thing i see with this is a big mess on communication with details somewhere hidden in a off topic part of the bitshares forum. I thought you said that all communication would go through the noirbits forum? This is deff a cover to hide your launch and no, i didn't miss the boat as i was here before your precious snapshot. It's about "trust" if you want longtime support for your equity. Im off, good luck and dont forget your community next time :)
snapshot taken...
so I could theoretically sell my pts?
Any time limit to claim noirbits with PTS private keys?
thx
There was never ever mentioned anything about PTS, you are such a douche barwizi. Good luck with your NRS
There was never ever mentioned anything about PTS, you are such a douche barwizi. Good luck with your NRS
Really sucks how miscommunication and lack of available resources can screw with someone's opinion of another person. I can honestly say Barwizi has really thought about both sides (I have actually argued for both sides with him behind the sidelines). He actually DOES listen (when he is not working for 48 hours straight) and try to respond from what I have seen on this forum.
I am not a former Noirbits holder, so its hard for me to fully understand the reasons for your sour attitude...but if it is safe to say we are all fallible, then it is also safe to say that you will get further by trying to constructively express your points of view. Remember, though, ALL of this is an experiment (that seems to be working btw) and might blow away in the wind tomorrow. On top of that, there are real threats that exist to keeping these ecosystems free and healthy.
So when we really look at it, we need to remember that the COMMUNITY is our only way to make this work...and dividing ourselves needlessly seems counter to the best interests of ALL.
@Barwizi, I do not know exactly the reason why this guy is pissed, but it seems like it has something to do with Noirbits no longer being supported by you? If this is the case, have you ever thought about allowing people to buy Noir-AngelShares with their Noirbits? I know it would sadden me if invictus stopped supporting PTS and moved over to an honest Ethereum Clone (without Goldman Sachs involvement) and simply "forgot" about me. However, I am also well aware that Invictus knows that they will no longer have my support if they ever abandon their community.
Regardless...lets kick this stuff around like intelligent, respectful people. Trust me I've been a dick before in a heated conversation...but I can honestly say it never helps the outcome. :)
http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip link doesnt work
When I try to do importprivkey, QT gives me:Code: [Select]Invalid private key (code -5)
I got the private key from another machine. And I am sure the it is correct.
Looks like there might be some checks against Bitcoin magic numbers that need to be updated...
When I try to do importprivkey, QT gives me:Code: [Select]Invalid private key (code -5)
I got the private key from another machine. And I am sure the it is correct.
Looks like there might be some checks against Bitcoin magic numbers that need to be updated...
Looks like this is probably an issue on the Windows client.
hello barwizi,
what actually are the products that noirbits will give us a stake in? Do you have specified this somewhere? What services will the DAC you develope provide? (for example btc can be used for payment processing and money transmittence etc)
Also, will you operate under a legal entity (brick and morter company) and will you unveal your identity?
Will you have a team?
What is the roadmap? And roughly when will what happen (outcomming DACs etc.)?
Why would anyone invest in you if you aren't even following the social consensus that everyone has already invested in? Really this just looks like a lame money grab
custom getwork stand alone miner for windows users :- http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip (http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip)Can't get the windows miner working, I've set the conf files as you wrote, but all im geting is
Useage , via command-line miner.exe ptspool.conf
change the conf file to something like this:-
host=127.0.0.1
port=18500
rpcuser=barwizi
rpcpass=x
#Number of threads requesting work from the server in parallel
getwork_threads=2
submit_threads=2
OpenCL devices to run miner on
devices=0,1
platform=0
make sure the ports, username and password match your NoirShares.conf file.
Many thanks to reorder for the assist
custom getwork stand alone miner for windows users :- http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip (http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip)Can't get the windows miner working, I've set the conf files as you wrote, but all im geting is
Useage , via command-line miner.exe ptspool.conf
change the conf file to something like this:-
host=127.0.0.1
port=18500
rpcuser=barwizi
rpcpass=x
#Number of threads requesting work from the server in parallel
getwork_threads=2
submit_threads=2
OpenCL devices to run miner on
devices=0,1
platform=0
make sure the ports, username and password match your NoirShares.conf file.
Many thanks to reorder for the assist
":1851eb 22 22:19:39 2014 Miner Starts - 127.0.0.1"
custom getwork stand alone miner for windows users :- http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip (http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip)Can't get the windows miner working, I've set the conf files as you wrote, but all im geting is
Useage , via command-line miner.exe ptspool.conf
change the conf file to something like this:-
host=127.0.0.1
port=18500
rpcuser=barwizi
rpcpass=x
#Number of threads requesting work from the server in parallel
getwork_threads=2
submit_threads=2
OpenCL devices to run miner on
devices=0,1
platform=0
make sure the ports, username and password match your NoirShares.conf file.
Many thanks to reorder for the assist
":1851eb 22 22:19:39 2014 Miner Starts - 127.0.0.1"
please post your specs and the full output when you start the miner.
custom getwork stand alone miner for windows users :- http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip (http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip)Can't get the windows miner working, I've set the conf files as you wrote, but all im geting is
Useage , via command-line miner.exe ptspool.conf
change the conf file to something like this:-
host=127.0.0.1
port=18500
rpcuser=barwizi
rpcpass=x
#Number of threads requesting work from the server in parallel
getwork_threads=2
submit_threads=2
OpenCL devices to run miner on
devices=0,1
platform=0
make sure the ports, username and password match your NoirShares.conf file.
Many thanks to reorder for the assist
":1851eb 22 22:19:39 2014 Miner Starts - 127.0.0.1"
please post your specs and the full output when you start the miner.
I got 2 xfx 280x, and the full output is:
C:\Users\mining\Desktop\pts-getwork>miner.exe ptspool.conf
PTSHasher:0-0 initialized on device: Tahiti
type: 4, vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. , LE: 1
PTSHasher:0-1 initialized on device: Tahiti
type: 4, vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. , LE: 1
:1851eb 22 23:41:06 2014 Miner Starts - 127.0.0.1
and its just stuck like that.
custom getwork stand alone miner for windows users :- http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip (http://xyzzy.su/pts-getwork.zip)Can't get the windows miner working, I've set the conf files as you wrote, but all im geting is
Useage , via command-line miner.exe ptspool.conf
change the conf file to something like this:-
host=127.0.0.1
port=18500
rpcuser=barwizi
rpcpass=x
#Number of threads requesting work from the server in parallel
getwork_threads=2
submit_threads=2
OpenCL devices to run miner on
devices=0,1
platform=0
make sure the ports, username and password match your NoirShares.conf file.
Many thanks to reorder for the assist
":1851eb 22 22:19:39 2014 Miner Starts - 127.0.0.1"
please post your specs and the full output when you start the miner.
I got 2 xfx 280x, and the full output is:
C:\Users\mining\Desktop\pts-getwork>miner.exe ptspool.conf
PTSHasher:0-0 initialized on device: Tahiti
type: 4, vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. , LE: 1
PTSHasher:0-1 initialized on device: Tahiti
type: 4, vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. , LE: 1
:1851eb 22 23:41:06 2014 Miner Starts - 127.0.0.1
and its just stuck like that.
your client is synced and connected?
That is new, anyone else getting that error?Anything new?
I'll ask the guy who made it to look into the issue.
That is new, anyone else getting that error?Anything new?
I'll ask the guy who made it to look into the issue.
13:38:27

{
"blocks" : 4287,
"currentblocksize" : 1000,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 0.00002443,
"errors" : "",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespermin" : "No information yet. Wait at least 4 minutes after starting mining for estimate.",
"networkhashps" : 346,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}
19:17:07

getmininginfo
19:17:07

{
"blocks" : 4368,
"currentblocksize" : 1000,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 0.00002704,
"errors" : "",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespermin" : "No information yet. Wait at least 4 minutes after starting mining for estimate.",
"networkhashps" : 469,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}{
"blocks" : 4455,
"currentblocksize" : 1000,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 0.00003045,
"errors" : "",
"generate" : false,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespermin" : "No information yet. Wait at least 4 minutes after starting mining for estimate.",
"networkhashps" : 536,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false
}hello barwizi,
what actually are the products that noirbits will give us a stake in? Do you have specified this somewhere? What services will the DAC you develope provide? (for example btc can be used for payment processing and money transmittence etc)
Also, will you operate under a legal entity (brick and morter company) and will you unveal your identity?
Will you have a team?
What is the roadmap? And roughly when will what happen (outcomming DACs etc.)?
hello
it's NIG, noirbits is a currency. Your investment in a venture entitles you to dividends. rather than the DAC concept used by III, all ventures under NIG belong to the respective investors. Rather than innumerable blockchains we will maintain a maximum of three. NRB/NRS and one more that is still far far far from ever being implemented because it is still a concept. We work by pooling the investments and embarking on business ventures, the profits of which are paid either monthly or per quarter based on the business model of each venture. For example, an active exchange should pay out monthly, whereas a crypto development venture will likely pay out every few months .
Please read the following documents
:- NIG definition https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPycU12eWh3Q0Z0R0E/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPycU12eWh3Q0Z0R0E/edit?usp=sharing)
Investment Options and how they work :- https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPycU12eWh3Q0Z0R0E/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPycU12eWh3Q0Z0R0E/edit?usp=sharing)
The team is currently very small (4). but we will keep it this way until investors choose more permanent staff.
The current list of mile stones is as follows
- Normalize Mining of NRS on all platforms
- Develop an easy audit System for investor use
- Development of the Trade platform
- Development of NoirStore
hello barwizi,
what actually are the products that noirbits will give us a stake in? Do you have specified this somewhere? What services will the DAC you develope provide? (for example btc can be used for payment processing and money transmittence etc)
Also, will you operate under a legal entity (brick and morter company) and will you unveal your identity?
Will you have a team?
What is the roadmap? And roughly when will what happen (outcomming DACs etc.)?
hello
it's NIG, noirbits is a currency. Your investment in a venture entitles you to dividends. rather than the DAC concept used by III, all ventures under NIG belong to the respective investors. Rather than innumerable blockchains we will maintain a maximum of three. NRB/NRS and one more that is still far far far from ever being implemented because it is still a concept. We work by pooling the investments and embarking on business ventures, the profits of which are paid either monthly or per quarter based on the business model of each venture. For example, an active exchange should pay out monthly, whereas a crypto development venture will likely pay out every few months .
Please read the following documents
:- NIG definition https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPycU12eWh3Q0Z0R0E/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPycU12eWh3Q0Z0R0E/edit?usp=sharing)
Investment Options and how they work :- https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPycU12eWh3Q0Z0R0E/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPycU12eWh3Q0Z0R0E/edit?usp=sharing)
The team is currently very small (4). but we will keep it this way until investors choose more permanent staff.
The current list of mile stones is as follows
- Normalize Mining of NRS on all platforms
- Develop an easy audit System for investor use
- Development of the Trade platform
- Development of NoirStore
Thanks!
That is twice the same document?
...so I i am dependend on the decisions of others what my money is specifically invested in?
...in the doc you say "look at the example venture". Where can I find that?
...do the venture ideas come from Noir stakeholders or from outside/3rd parties?
reagrds
.so I i am dependend on the decisions of others what my money is specifically invested in?
in the doc you say "look at the example venture". Where can I find that?
do the venture ideas come from Noir stakeholders or from outside/3rd parties?
Sorry if this is obvious and somehow I missed it... But I think I've gathered that it's possible to import a PTS private key and claim NRS from the latest snapshot.
Is this true?
If so, is it easy to do?
My definition of easy:
1) download windows wallet.
2) muck around in debug.
3) be NRS owner.
Hopefully other people are confused like me :)
My NRS addy: 9h9hHA4hqhzDkeq6VQQoScbtUCuxP4cPbt (I think? I'm using the windows qt that someone posted earlier)
Sorry if this is obvious and somehow I missed it... But I think I've gathered that it's possible to import a PTS private key and claim NRS from the latest snapshot.
Is this true?
If so, is it easy to do?
My definition of easy:
1) download windows wallet.
2) muck around in debug.
3) be NRS owner.
Hopefully other people are confused like me :)
My NRS addy: 9h9hHA4hqhzDkeq6VQQoScbtUCuxP4cPbt (I think? I'm using the windows qt that someone posted earlier)
is that the one you got after importing your PTS private key?
Maybe I missed it, could you please rephrase the details about pts sharesholding:
- how many nrs do I get for 1pts
- how was it achieved as chain is already out and running
- at which block did that happen?
Thanks
I tried importing my private PTS address and got this error

Invalid private key (code -5)
I tried importing my private PTS address and got this error

Invalid private key (code -5)
I think the questions we're curious about (that nobody is answering directly) are:
1. Right now (not at some future date), can I import a PTS private key and claim NRS? I.e., am I currently entitled to some NRS?
2. If the answer to question (1) is "yes," then how do I import said PTS private key?
Thanks.
I think the questions we're curious about (that nobody is answering directly) are:
1. Right now (not at some future date), can I import a PTS private key and claim NRS? I.e., am I currently entitled to some NRS?
2. If the answer to question (1) is "yes," then how do I import said PTS private key?
Thanks.
me too, i'm curious, when you have said NRS, what will you do with them?
I think the questions we're curious about (that nobody is answering directly) are:
1. Right now (not at some future date), can I import a PTS private key and claim NRS? I.e., am I currently entitled to some NRS?
2. If the answer to question (1) is "yes," then how do I import said PTS private key?
Thanks.
me too, i'm curious, when you have said NRS, what will you do with them?
I'll keep them safe and sound in my wallet as long as I believe that the NIG offers me more value for holding them than I'd get for selling them...
See, I can be vague and evasive too ;)
I'm really not trying to be rude, but here's my take on this whole NIG thing so far: your fears that PTS holders will sell their NRS at their first opportunity are justified by the fact that you're not inspiring confidence in us!
You seem to be a respected, hard-working, sincere member of the community, so I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. But you seem to be missing the fact that PTS holders are the least likely to dump shares in a promising venture; we are the buy-and-holders of the crypto community who believe in things like the long-term value of DACs. If PTS holders dump your shares, it's because your business plan is this vague "hey we're going to launch stuff and there will be investment options" thing. Make us a real value proposition, and you won't have anything to worry about!
Now, having ranted a bit, I will say that NRS has clearly made progress over the past few weeks (exhibit 1: there's a windows qt that I don't have to compile from source!), and your business plan document does say something about how the NIG is structured...
So, here's my direct answer to your question: I won't participate in any market landslides by selling my NRS. That is, I might sell them, but only after the value has skyrocketed or after I've given up hope that there will ever be any value.
I'm really not trying to be rude, but here's my take on this whole NIG thing so far: your fears that PTS holders will sell their NRS at their first opportunity are justified by the fact that you're not inspiring confidence in us!
Quote from: biophilI'm really not trying to be rude, but here's my take on this whole NIG thing so far: your fears that PTS holders will sell their NRS at their first opportunity are justified by the fact that you're not inspiring confidence in us!
If III does not step in to stabilize the price, it'll drop a lot after the snapshot....maybe then we can talk about PTS holder confidence
Quote from: biophilI'm really not trying to be rude, but here's my take on this whole NIG thing so far: your fears that PTS holders will sell their NRS at their first opportunity are justified by the fact that you're not inspiring confidence in us!
If III does not step in to stabilize the price, it'll drop a lot after the snapshot....maybe then we can talk about PTS holder confidence
The price (of PTS) will drop after Feb 28 precisely because III has convinced people that BitShares X will have value. That is, the drop in price of PTS will be a perfect example of PTS holder confidence in Invictus! The drop in price will precisely reflect the confidence that PTS holders have in BitShares X.
Anyway, I'm not trying to tell you what to do with NRS; obviously that's your prerogative. I wish your venture well whether I'm a part of it or not. I'm just bewildered by your implicit assumption that it's somehow not your responsibility to convince owners of NRS to hold instead of to sell.
If i focus on talking about reasons to hold, i'll never stop talking but get little done. I want to get some things done then talk a bit, then rush back to more development. The fall of PTS is not a good thing for Invictus.
If i focus on talking about reasons to hold, i'll never stop talking but get little done. I want to get some things done then talk a bit, then rush back to more development. The fall of PTS is not a good thing for Invictus.
Fair enough.
By the way, I thought of a way you could have honored the 10% social consensus while avoiding the risk of a sell-off at the beginning: simply write PTS and AGS holders into the genesis block and make their NRS unspendable for a certain length of time. You could even unlock their NRS a little at a time; maybe as a fraction of the miners' block reward. Then PTS and AGS holders are all happy since they've been invited to the party, and you're happy because they can't sell everything off all at once. In fact, this creates a particularly interesting incentive for PTS/AGS holders to contribute value to your venture, because they know that they can't sell until some time in the future. Thus, they want the value of NRS at that future time to be as high as possible.
Just something to chew on, but I realize it's probably too late now. Now I'll quit distracting you. :) Thanks for your time!
If i focus on talking about reasons to hold, i'll never stop talking but get little done. I want to get some things done then talk a bit, then rush back to more development. The fall of PTS is not a good thing for Invictus.
Fair enough.
By the way, I thought of a way you could have honored the 10% social consensus while avoiding the risk of a sell-off at the beginning: simply write PTS and AGS holders into the genesis block and make their NRS unspendable for a certain length of time. You could even unlock their NRS a little at a time; maybe as a fraction of the miners' block reward. Then PTS and AGS holders are all happy since they've been invited to the party, and you're happy because they can't sell everything off all at once. In fact, this creates a particularly interesting incentive for PTS/AGS holders to contribute value to your venture, because they know that they can't sell until some time in the future. Thus, they want the value of NRS at that future time to be as high as possible.
Just something to chew on, but I realize it's probably too late now. Now I'll quit distracting you. :) Thanks for your time!
+5% just like the original ethereum IPO
I've been running the pts-getwork with miner.exe ptspool.conf for a couple days now, with R9 280x gpu, not a single block :( I was wondering if someone could tell me if I have the NoirShare.conf setup correctly for solo mining gpu.
rpcuser=xxxxxx
rpcpassword=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
rpctimeout=30
rpcport=18500
rpcallowip=localhost
gen=1
server=1
my ptspool.conf looks like this.
host=127.0.0.1
port=18500
rpcuser=xxxxxx
rpcpass=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
#Number of threads requesting work from the server in parallel
getwork_threads=8
submit_threads=8
OpenCL devices to run miner on
devices=0,1,2
platform=0
my understanding is that gen=1 is needed for mining.. But should it be zero since the miner.exe is externally mining?
rpctimeout=30???? why???
rpcallowip=localhosti know its the same, but try using the actual ip
submit_threads=8try lowering this.
I've been running the pts-getwork with miner.exe ptspool.conf for a couple days now, with R9 280x gpu, not a single block :( I was wondering if someone could tell me if I have the NoirShare.conf setup correctly for solo mining gpu.
rpcuser=xxxxxx
rpcpassword=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
rpctimeout=30
rpcport=18500
rpcallowip=localhost
gen=1
server=1
my ptspool.conf looks like this.
host=127.0.0.1
port=18500
rpcuser=xxxxxx
rpcpass=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
#Number of threads requesting work from the server in parallel
getwork_threads=8
submit_threads=8
OpenCL devices to run miner on
devices=0,1,2
platform=0
my understanding is that gen=1 is needed for mining.. But should it be zero since the miner.exe is externally mining?
NoirShares.confQuoterpctimeout=30???? why???Quoterpcallowip=localhosti know its the same, but try using the actual ipQuotesubmit_threads=8try lowering this.
either way, is your GPU registering load when you start the miner?
Reading back through the thread, I see that there was a retake of snapshot; and I missed it again lol.
Put my GPU into mining too 5 days back and getting some 140 hpm, 44 vpm and still no block.
Anyways, still on 0 and any donation would be very welcome.
9h77BLiMPBV2BmEpG9ASs3XMFKgz9qvaZE
EDIT: Woot! Thanks for the donation :)
But for the most part such advice could be placed in a how to for DACs. I wrote the one for genesis blocks, but i think a more in depth one based on my experiences and the advice i get may be required as a primer for future aspiring DACs
Wow, I didn't pay attention to this post until I saw this coin was added on poloniex... Good job!
By the way, you said you would honor pts holder 1%, is this still valid? If yes, how? by importing privkey or replacing wallet.dat?
Wow, I didn't pay attention to this post until I saw this coin was added on poloniex... Good job!
By the way, you said you would honor pts holder 1%, is this still valid? If yes, how? by importing privkey or replacing wallet.dat?
PTS honoring exercise starts now. Because i was not fully sure how to go about it, PTS addresses were not added in Genesis block, however i have devised a means of address ownership verification that i think is fool proof. I already have a snap shot so all i need is to get the new NRS addresses corresponding to a PTS address.
Send minimum pts allowed by network to PvFmNBgHera9Wu8oiJ4oXndRsJyzrSZXBi with your NRS address in tx comment. I will send NRS to addresses received via PTS.
Send minimum pts allowed by network to PvFmNBgHera9Wu8oiJ4oXndRsJyzrSZXBi with your NRS address in tx comment. I will send NRS to addresses received via PTS.So you say like:
protoshared sendtoaddress PvFmNBgHera9Wu8oiJ4oXndRsJyzrSZXBi 0.00000001 NRS-ADDRESSSend minimum pts allowed by network to PvFmNBgHera9Wu8oiJ4oXndRsJyzrSZXBi with your NRS address in tx comment. I will send NRS to addresses received via PTS.So you say like:Code: [Select]protoshared sendtoaddress PvFmNBgHera9Wu8oiJ4oXndRsJyzrSZXBi 0.00000001 NRS-ADDRESS
Actually I dont like to get my PTS out of the cold-storage and initiate a tx :-( .. Hmm .. can I go for a signed message using my PTS-address?
So, according to my balance in your list, this snapshot was way back in the middle of January? I thought there was one a couple weeks ago...
So, according to my balance in your list, this snapshot was way back in the middle of January? I thought there was one a couple weeks ago...
are you sure you are on the right chain? NRS started mid Feb
So, according to my balance in your list, this snapshot was way back in the middle of January? I thought there was one a couple weeks ago...
are you sure you are on the right chain? NRS started mid Feb
That's what I thought... I'm not sure what you mean by the "right chain." What I mean is that I checked my PTS address PvNagRsyAzMmDn2wL83oopoc8XAmrsrnEk in the google doc you just listed, and it showed a balance of 4.99. You can see on https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Addresses/PvNagRsyAzMmDn2wL83oopoc8XAmrsrnEk that Mid-Feb, the balance was about 111.
So your list shows my PTS balance as it was from January 13-16.
Ensure that your PTS address is pre- NRS PTS snapshot here :- https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPySmJyX19hYVp3ZWM/edit?usp=sharing
Ensure that your PTS address is pre- NRS PTS snapshot here :- https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCtiOzdwvPySmJyX19hYVp3ZWM/edit?usp=sharing
That google doc only shows "Not content to display"
So, according to my balance in your list, this snapshot was way back in the middle of January? I thought there was one a couple weeks ago...Same issue here
it's from 20 Feb.Its not. :-(
it's from 20 Feb.Its not. :-(
My address is [censored] --- https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Addresses/[censored]
On 12/18/2013 I had over 2k PTS in it ... your file just gives me 2k pts .. something is definitely wrong here :-(
On 12/18/2013 I had over 2k PTS
about 2014.8
Jupabout 2014.8
and the snapshot states that you have 2000 exactly?
Jupabout 2014.8
and the snapshot states that you have 2000 exactly?
strange, maybe it's a problem with the tool i used. btw, is this a wallet balance or specific address balance? sometimes wallet balance is different from address balance.It's an address balance ..
strange, maybe it's a problem with the tool i used. btw, is this a wallet balance or specific address balance? sometimes wallet balance is different from address balance.It's an address balance ..
so it's a problem with the tool. hmm, this messes up my plans.Sorry to hear that .. but better late than never :-)
so it's a problem with the tool. hmm, this messes up my plans.Sorry to hear that .. but better late than never :-)
yeah, but i can't keep returning focus to this issue. I have deadlines to meet in other areas. lol, there really is a shortage of developers.I'd really like to help out, but I am no developer :-(
Decided to contribute more time on NRS! For me it doesn't matter, wether it's honoring the SC or not! 8)
We all, we are community and when i can't contribute to III tasks, why i shouldn't contribute to new alternative projects?
Please explain?????? >:(
https://pmtocoins.com/index.php? (https://pmtocoins.com/index.php?)
Please explain?????? >:(
https://pmtocoins.com/index.php? (https://pmtocoins.com/index.php?)
ever heard of templates? The time it takes to start from scratch on just the front-end is too much, the web designer opted to start with an existing template. as i said, that was pre-pre-alpha, there is a lot being changed visually although i am more concerned with the matching engine and security.Patience, keep calm. Barwizi barely sleeps.
It seems coyote miner does not have the -t flag to reduce the amount of cores used. I've set pool_miner.exe in windows task manager to low priority, but this kill my mining process in GPU for other coins :-[
I need to leave at least one core free.
Is there any workaround ?
Please explain?????? >:(
https://pmtocoins.com/index.php? (https://pmtocoins.com/index.php?)
ever heard of templates? The time it takes to start from scratch on just the front-end is too much, the web designer opted to start with an existing template. as i said, that was pre-pre-alpha, there is a lot being changed visually although i am more concerned with the matching engine and security.Patience, keep calm. Barwizi barely sleeps.
Sorry, I don't anything about development. I didn't know templates are common.
I wanted to buy some NRS, and found them several times cheaper than what Barwizi here was selling. So, feeling smart, I sold little more than 2 PTS, transferred the BTC to Openex and then they disabled trading. To top it all, it seems they were hacked and may not be able to reimburse the whole amount *sigh*
Poloneix also lists NRS, but it has already been hacked twice.
Oh well, will try to mine later today using that pool. Solo mining with my GPU for 8 days yielded nada (after which I put it on hashcows).
feeling smart
I wanted to buy some NRS, and found them several times cheaper than what Barwizi here was selling. So, feeling smart, I sold little more than 2 PTS, transferred the BTC to Openex and then they disabled trading. To top it all, it seems they were hacked and may not be able to reimburse the whole amount *sigh*
Poloneix also lists NRS, but it has already been hacked twice.
Oh well, will try to mine later today using that pool. Solo mining with my GPU for 8 days yielded nada (after which I put it on hashcows).Quotefeeling smart
Still feeling smart? :)
I wanted to buy some NRS, and found them several times cheaper than what Barwizi here was selling. So, feeling smart, I sold little more than 2 PTS, transferred the BTC to Openex and then they disabled trading. To top it all, it seems they were hacked and may not be able to reimburse the whole amount *sigh*
Poloneix also lists NRS, but it has already been hacked twice.
Oh well, will try to mine later today using that pool. Solo mining with my GPU for 8 days yielded nada (after which I put it on hashcows).Quotefeeling smart
Still feeling smart? :)
Yeah, rub it in - you big galoot >:(
;D
Btw, I am not getting the email to confirm and log in into that pool.
Can anyone explain how this can be mined with GPU? Which software? only solo? pool possible?
Thanks
Can anyone explain how this can be mined with GPU? Which software? only solo? pool possible?
Thanks
https://nrs.blockquarry.com/ (https://nrs.blockquarry.com/)
go to getting started and follow the instructions.
Can anyone explain how this can be mined with GPU? Which software? only solo? pool possible?
Thanks
https://nrs.blockquarry.com/ (https://nrs.blockquarry.com/)
go to getting started and follow the instructions.
I've done it, and I'm currently mining, but it's CPU coyote miner, I was asking for a GPU. Is there one?
Edit: Found it "pts-getwork" but it seems to work only in solo
Is there any for pool?
General Fund now open for Shares.
NRS :- 9cViAqUd7AKKZY5UyJUQo6nXCVJGTar1F7
PTS :- Pv2FwmEsDcTYaCipdTUiC4kfPtSfYY84iP
BTC :-
General Fund now open for Shares.
NRS :- 9cViAqUd7AKKZY5UyJUQo6nXCVJGTar1F7
PTS :- Pv2FwmEsDcTYaCipdTUiC4kfPtSfYY84iP
BTC :-
Could you expound on this a little? I assume those are donation addresses? Are there minimum donations? Is there a website or forum post we can go to and find out more info?
My understanding here is that NRS are investment shares in NIG, but dividends are only paid out to the sender's of shares held in one of NIG's investment funds. Is this accurate?
If this is the case, then sending NRS to the general fund address essentially creates virtual, non transferable NIG general fund shares, which are dividend paying, and are the real shares in the company. If you then use the NRS that have been sent to the general fund to develop the company by selling them to raise money, or by paying workers with them, the recipients will donate their NRS in exchange for dividend paying shares and the cycle will repeat, with share dilution approaching the total NRS supply at each cycle.
the recipients will donate their NRS in exchange for dividend paying shares
the cycle will repeat, with share dilution approaching the total NRS supply at each cycle.
So Noirshares are not really shares and we have to donate them to get anything?
donate them
NoirEx, NoirStore -- these are companies?
What are the blockchain based ventures?
Trading volumes and price keep on their hard march, NRS will be worth at lest 10x more in 5 months. http://noirds.com/ (http://noirds.com/)Good to hear ... Could you briefly summarize latest developments?
Barwizi, I appreciate you efforts. I have to admit though that I had a difficult time to wrap my head around the value proposition of Noir-x.
Can you summarize in a few sentences what the value proposition / reason for investing of Noir- shares/bits etc. is? How does the Noir-x system work?