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Other => Graveyard => Keyhotee => Topic started by: oldman on March 24, 2014, 07:08:05 pm

Title: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: oldman on March 24, 2014, 07:08:05 pm
I respectfully submit the Keyhotee moniker is inadequate and may hinder widespread adoption.

First issue: too many syllables.

If you look at the most successful tech branding campaigns of the 21st century you will find convergence at two syllables:

Google
Facebook
Apple (to wit - iPhone/iTunes)

There is likely psychology and good reasoning behind this, but bottom line is people seem to identify with two-syllable tech branding. Proof is in the pudding.


Second issue: not connected with the bit-space.

My recent experience as an 'average Joe' just learning about the Invictus project was frustrating when it came to Keyhotee. I had a hell of time figuring out what Keyhotee is.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the Keyhotee branding does not resonate with the target audience, and moreover, is a bit off-putting. It looks like antivirus software from the 90's.

The phonetics and logo create a disconnect with the 'bit' ecosystem that alienate the project from the crypto/decentralization movement.

Apologies for being harsh, but I do feel strongly about this. The technology is incredible, game-changing, needed.


So what to do?

Treat Keyhotee as a code-name, similar to what Intel/Microsoft/others do pre-release, and then re-brand on launch.

Re-brand to what? Anything with 'bit' in it. The obvious candidate being BitMail (bMail? bitMail? bitmail?).

The unavoidable association will be with gmail, which is highly desirable as it will accelerate adoption. Think gmail minus Google plus crypto.

Association with a familiar, mature and widely adopted brand/product will massively lower the entry barriers for adoption.

Moreover, the bit-space is rapidly becoming recognized as next-gen, secure, decentralized, private, etc.

BitMail leverages both spaces in two syllables.

Imagine you are average Joe and someone is pushing a new email client: you can choose to download and install Keyhotee or bitMail. Which one do you pick?

For consideration.





Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: santaclause102 on March 24, 2014, 07:12:05 pm
Not having "bit" in the brand sets you apart. Bit is used inflationary by now.
Key-hotee = (Don) Quichotte. I love that :)
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: oldman on March 24, 2014, 07:23:07 pm
That is the heart of the matter - is it wise to strike off in a new direction when the target market is just building a comfort level with 'bit'?

Bitcoin and BitShares are rapidly becoming the face of a very powerful movement.

Do we alienate the communication package from this momentum? Or do we leverage it?

The reference to Quixote... I agree it is neat, however, I sincerely doubt the vast majority are going to pick up on this. And if they do I'm not sure it has any marketing value.

Also, China and the rest of the world.

Keyhotee/Quixote does not translate well nor convey a consistent/meaningful message to the international audience.

We have to remember the target audience is global.
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: rysgc on March 24, 2014, 07:30:59 pm
BitMail sounds nice indeed, I do like the name Keyhotee but I agree it might be difficult to market and it doesn't say anything about what it does, but then again so doesn't Firefox, Chrome and Skype.

Well  +5% for BitMail anyways!
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: santaclause102 on March 24, 2014, 07:48:17 pm
Keyhotee is more than mail though!
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: toast on March 24, 2014, 07:54:04 pm
KeyID

 ;D
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: santaclause102 on March 24, 2014, 07:58:47 pm
It's a trade of. Keyhotee might be long and it's difficult to remember how to spell it but it is unique! KeyID KeyMail could be great to name the sub funtions..
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: bitbro on March 24, 2014, 08:02:53 pm
I propose BitKey


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Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: etherbroker on March 24, 2014, 08:07:46 pm
Key Mail is pretty good, rhymes with Email, can reasonably say its short for “Keyhotee"
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: JakeThePanda on March 24, 2014, 08:33:19 pm
KeyID

 ;D

Winner!  IMO
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: oldman on March 24, 2014, 08:40:39 pm
BitKey is interesting; a great allegory for unlocking access to a secure space:

Keyhotee ----> BitKey

Keyhotee ID ----> BitKey ID.


I think KeyMail and KeyID are catchy:

Keyhotee ----> KeyMail

Keyhotee ID ----> KeyID


That said, my vote still runs with bit-something. There is just too much momentum/value in attaching to the bit-space.

Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bobmaloney on March 24, 2014, 08:49:45 pm
The Keyhotee name has struck me as more of a development codename as well, such as Whistler, Blackcomb, Haswell, Ivy Bridge, etc.

The "bitkey" idea sounds fairly catchy and rolls off easy.

Whatever is considered, I think now would be a good time to attempt to correlate it with Bitshares DNS and other properties.


Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Pheonike on March 24, 2014, 09:17:54 pm

How about

"KeyWhole"

Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on March 24, 2014, 09:34:22 pm
We could also adapt a word w greater coverage, as it may be that key, wallet, mail, etc. do not describe the product sufficiently.


How about BitHome
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: JoeyD on March 24, 2014, 09:52:23 pm
If it's to become the portal to all things 3I and bitshares related, maybe a name like bitXS or BitAccess would convey that message.

I also like keyID since the ID part is pretty key to all the services offered.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: onceuponatime on March 24, 2014, 10:20:22 pm
I agree that the branding should have "bit" in it (as in bitShares, bitMem bitMusic, etc.) in order to retain the family of products feeling.

I hope suggestions will continue to be submitted as I don't feel that "just right" name perfection yet.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 24, 2014, 10:29:51 pm
That's not a fair poll. You should include Keyhotee as an option too
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Stan on March 24, 2014, 10:46:37 pm
There are a lot of great ideas here that have great merit.

I would hate to lose the subtle deeper meanings behind the choice of Don Quixote as a hero for whom honor and courage outweighed the inherent dangers of the quest.

(https://static.squarespace.com/static/51fb043ee4b0608e46483caf/t/526f194be4b08cf7d693f949/1383012747165/Keotee%20Windmill%20Sauron.png?format=750w)
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: hadrian on March 24, 2014, 10:52:05 pm
BitKey is interesting; a great allegory for unlocking access to a secure space:

Keyhotee ----> BitKey

Keyhotee ID ----> BitKey ID.


I think KeyMail and KeyID are catchy:

Keyhotee ----> KeyMail

Keyhotee ID ----> KeyID


That said, my vote still runs with bit-something. There is just too much momentum/value in attaching to the bit-space.

I like BitKey with BitKey ID, BitKey Mail, etc.

I Also thought of:

KeySet could contain KeyID, KeyMail, etc.

or

BitSet with BitID, BitMail, etc.

or

AngelSet with AngelID, AngelMail, etc.

or

BitAngel with BitID, BitMail, etc. (if "Bitangel" doesn't collide with "Bitangels")
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 24, 2014, 10:52:18 pm
There are a lot of great ideas here that have great merit.

I would hate to lose the subtle deeper meanings behind the choice of Don Quixote as a hero for whom honor and courage outweighed the inherent dangers of the quest.

(https://static.squarespace.com/static/51fb043ee4b0608e46483caf/t/526f194be4b08cf7d693f949/1383012747165/Keotee%20Windmill%20Sauron.png?format=750w)
+5% agree with the beauty of the name!
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Troglodactyl on March 24, 2014, 10:53:50 pm
We have some flexibility to keep that meaning and increase clarity.  Currently the protocol, the network, and the application are all called Keyhotee.  We could keep Keyhotee as a name for the initial application, and name the network and protocol BitShares ID for consistency.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: onceuponatime on March 24, 2014, 10:58:18 pm
There are a lot of great ideas here that have great merit.

I would hate to lose the subtle deeper meanings behind the choice of Don Quixote as a hero for whom honor and courage outweighed the inherent dangers of the quest.

(https://static.squarespace.com/static/51fb043ee4b0608e46483caf/t/526f194be4b08cf7d693f949/1383012747165/Keotee%20Windmill%20Sauron.png?format=750w)

"Treat Keyhotee as a code-name"  Keyhotee is a great project title, but not an optimal theme fit with the rest of the brand in order to harvest the benefits of name recognition, etc.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 24, 2014, 10:58:27 pm
We have some flexibility to keep that meaning and increase clarity.  Currently the protocol, the network, and the application are all called Keyhotee.  We could keep Keyhotee as a name for the initial application, and name the network and protocol BitShares ID for consistency.

But the bitshares brand stands for crypto equities... keyhotee is nothing like that. I find it fine when the difference to bitsahres is also visible in the name.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: hadrian on March 24, 2014, 10:59:57 pm
There are a lot of great ideas here that have great merit.

I would hate to lose the subtle deeper meanings behind the choice of Don Quixote as a hero for whom honor and courage outweighed the inherent dangers of the quest.

OK. How about DonKeyBit?
 :P

Sorry...
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: oco101 on March 24, 2014, 11:03:42 pm
That's not a fair poll. You should include Keyhotee as an option too
+1 Agree
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: biophil on March 24, 2014, 11:08:18 pm
There are a lot of great ideas here that have great merit.

I would hate to lose the subtle deeper meanings behind the choice of Don Quixote as a hero for whom honor and courage outweighed the inherent dangers of the quest.

I would never have associated honor and courage with Quixote, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I've always understood Don Quixote as a sad, silly man who couldn't tell what really mattered in life. Googling "quixotic" gives me this definition as result #1: "exceedingly idealistic; unrealistic and impractical." That's what you want to say about one of your most powerful products? :)

While I'm throwing my cents around, I'd vote against "BitKey" because people won't pronounce the "T" and it will sound like "bikky." Nothing wrong with that per se, it's just that people will be hearing a new word they don't know and it will add an un-necessary level of confusion.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 24, 2014, 11:18:33 pm
There are a lot of great ideas here that have great merit.

I would hate to lose the subtle deeper meanings behind the choice of Don Quixote as a hero for whom honor and courage outweighed the inherent dangers of the quest.

I would never have associated honor and courage with Quixote, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I've always understood Don Quixote as a sad, silly man who couldn't tell what really mattered in life. Googling "quixotic" gives me this definition as result #1: "exceedingly idealistic; unrealistic and impractical." That's what you want to say about one of your most powerful products? :)

While I'm throwing my cents around, I'd vote against "BitKey" because people won't pronounce the "T" and it will sound like "bikky." Nothing wrong with that per se, it's just that people will be hearing a new word they don't know and it will add an un-necessary level of confusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: cass on March 24, 2014, 11:29:50 pm
Not having "bit" in the brand sets you apart. Bit is used inflationary by now.
Key-hotee = (Don) Quichotte. I love that :)

 +5% love it also :)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: biophil on March 25, 2014, 12:10:41 am
There are a lot of great ideas here that have great merit.

I would hate to lose the subtle deeper meanings behind the choice of Don Quixote as a hero for whom honor and courage outweighed the inherent dangers of the quest.

I would never have associated honor and courage with Quixote, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I've always understood Don Quixote as a sad, silly man who couldn't tell what really mattered in life. Googling "quixotic" gives me this definition as result #1: "exceedingly idealistic; unrealistic and impractical." That's what you want to say about one of your most powerful products? :)

While I'm throwing my cents around, I'd vote against "BitKey" because people won't pronounce the "T" and it will sound like "bikky." Nothing wrong with that per se, it's just that people will be hearing a new word they don't know and it will add an un-necessary level of confusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote

Hmmm... I'm getting the sense that anti-Quixote sentiments may not be popular here. :) I read the article and Quixote still seems pretty absurd in his out-of-touchness. It still strikes me as a very strange brand association. But maybe it's just me...

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Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Stan on March 25, 2014, 01:04:21 am
I don't think Cervantes ever wrote them, but the words of Don Quixote from the musical Man of La Mancha capture the spirit of great undertakings against impossible odds for the best of reasons:

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go

To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest, to follow that star
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far
To fight for the right, without question or pause
To be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause

And I know if I'll only be true to this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm when I'm laid to my rest

And the world will be better for this
That one man scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star.

The fact that Don Quixote was tragically ill-equipped for his self-appointed task makes his heroic spirit all the more impressive.

There are those who may correctly conclude that we are but tragic fools for undertaking our Quest.
That does not deter us.  Most people believe that the dragons of our day are merely windmills.

 :)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on March 25, 2014, 01:19:27 am
We have some flexibility to keep that meaning and increase clarity.  Currently the protocol, the network, and the application are all called Keyhotee.  We could keep Keyhotee as a name for the initial application, and name the network and protocol BitShares ID for consistency.

BitShares ID is the way to go!!!
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: jwiz168 on March 25, 2014, 01:20:29 am
Not having "bit" in the brand sets you apart. Bit is used inflationary by now.
Key-hotee = (Don) Quichotte. I love that :)

Personally , I like what it is . KEYHOTEE. So very unique. As the good ol Google. It made no sense what it meant back then.
Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: Troglodactyl on March 25, 2014, 02:14:06 am
I'm quite fond of the Keyhotee name myself, but global acceptance of the name is a valid concern.  If Keyhotee needs a new name in order to be internationally appealing, I won't fight the change.

Not having "bit" in the brand sets you apart. Bit is used inflationary by now.
Key-hotee = (Don) Quichotte. I love that :)

Personally , I like what it is . KEYHOTEE. So very unique. As the good ol Google. It made no sense what it meant back then.

This is a good point.  Hopefully everyone will grow to love "Keyhotee" anyway.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Agent86 on March 25, 2014, 03:35:20 am
I think things like BitMail, BitKey, KeyMail all seem super forgettable and boring to me.

I admit when I first heard Keyhotee I didn't know exactly what to think of it, I didn't know if the h was silent.  I wasn't sure if it was supposed to sound like coyote.  But I really like it now, much more than other suggestions.  The name doesn't let people have preconceived notions about what it is or does, they have to discover it.  You already have the word "key" in Keyhotee.  Any name with "mail" doesn't do it justice at all.  Once people learn it they won't forget it, and you can Google it and won't get results for anything else.  It won't ever be confused with something from a competitor with a unique name.  There is something adventurous and brave about choosing such a name.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: jwiz168 on March 25, 2014, 03:43:46 am
KEYHOTEE - a unique new Internet term. The identity of this word is automatically associated with Invictus Innovation. It is important to have a synonymous brand name to its corporation. Such as Big blue by IBM and even Windows (nobody knew what it was, only a part of a house) as to Microsoft.
Think about it  8)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on March 25, 2014, 07:20:30 am
Both are two syllables...


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Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: chryspano on March 25, 2014, 08:13:20 am
Leave the name alone, Keyhotee is the perfect name.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 25, 2014, 08:38:35 am
How many average products exist today that are named something like ....mail ...bit....?
If we go with KeyMail or something else that mixes together two widely known words it seems like just another service which is not the impression we want to generate.
To me the international usability is a arguement too. Let's ask our chinese friends here what they think! :)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: 天籁 on March 25, 2014, 08:47:03 am
 [Keyhotee]. +5%
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: svk on March 25, 2014, 09:24:31 am
I quite like Keyhotee, but that's because I pronounce it with an American accent and it actually sounds kinda cool with that accent.

What worries me about that name though is how it'll sound to all the non-english speakers of the world. I just asked my French coworkers to pronounce it, and to them it's kinda hard and does not sound the same..

I think Google in the beginning included a phonetic transcription of their name, if you stick with Keyhotee it would be a good idea to do so as well.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on March 25, 2014, 09:55:15 am
I like "keyhotee". To specify the function, it can be promoted as Keyhotee mail system. Not to mention it has been widely known in Bitcoin fans.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: CLains on March 25, 2014, 03:29:07 pm
I like to think of it as the Bitshares project and the Keyhotee ID project. The Bitshares project aims to give you  shares in DACs. They Keyhotee ID (KeyID) project aims to give you control over your identity.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: hadrian on March 25, 2014, 07:03:25 pm
This idea may sound stupid at first, but bear in mind that people can quickly become accustomed to a company or product name.

DonKey

Named after Don Quixote, DonKey carries all the tools you'll need to protect your ID and communications as you ride around the internet.
With DonKey ID there's no need to use loads of passwords or to rely on trust. DonKey ID will protect you with honor and courage.
When it comes to your internet ID and communications DonKey can easily carry the load......blah blah blah

I think this sounds stupid.

I'd still use DonKey Mail though
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: patrickb323 on March 25, 2014, 08:00:30 pm
keep keyhotee
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: mint chocolate chip on March 25, 2014, 08:30:03 pm
The Quixote cartoons are great, and hopefully so will be Keyhotee. Keep the name and let Keyhotee save us from the bad guys.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: oldman on March 25, 2014, 08:38:46 pm
The issue of alienating non-native English speakers is a real concern. The majority of the global population falls into this category.

This issue may be further exacerbated by the extra syllable; try pronouncing a three-syllable word in Spanish/French/Mandarin and then compare with a one or two syllable word.

Which word do you favour?

Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: oldman on March 25, 2014, 08:41:35 pm
Keyhotee as the platform/protocol and individual child services (keyID, keyMail, keyWallet, keyMessage) is interesting.

One could easily imagine users asking "What's your key?" in much the same way as users now ask "Did you google it?".

Market as the 'key' to a secure/private/trusted space.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: speedy on March 25, 2014, 10:04:14 pm
I respectfully submit the Keyhotee moniker is inadequate and may hinder widespread adoption.
...

Im glad someone has raised this issue - I was about to raise this as well.

Here is a list of communication networks that are extremely popular:

-Twitter
-Skype
-Whatsapp
-Facebook

Now here is a list of communication networks that only techies have heard of:

-Bitmessage
-Torchat

Ignoring the fact that the second list require users to share hashes of public keys, there is another pattern there - successful product names are catchy, don't include techy jargon, and can often be used as a verb. I would assert that Keyhotee is NOT catchy, and is borderline jargon. Whilst you can say "Skype/Tweet me", the phrase "send me a Keyhotee" is never going to catch on.

I dont want to have to go around my family evangelizing a product with the word "Bit" in the name either - its extremely geeky, and most people are not interested in the technology, they are interested in the social experience. For a communication system to actually get any momentum, the branding is just as important as the technology.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: CLains on March 25, 2014, 11:40:37 pm
Good points by trader, more than five percentage points to him.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 26, 2014, 12:33:00 am
I respectfully submit the Keyhotee moniker is inadequate and may hinder widespread adoption.
...

Im glad someone has raised this issue - I was about to raise this as well.

Here is a list of communication networks that are extremely popular:

-Twitter
-Skype
-Whatsapp
-Facebook

Now here is a list of communication networks that only techies have heard of:

-Bitmessage
-Torchat

Ignoring the fact that the second list require users to share hashes of public keys, there is another pattern there - successful product names are catchy, don't include techy jargon, and can often be used as a verb. I would assert that Keyhotee is NOT catchy, and is borderline jargon. Whilst you can say "Skype/Tweet me", the phrase "send me a Keyhotee" is never going to catch on.

I dont want to have to go around my family evangelizing a product with the word "Bit" in the name either - its extremely geeky, and most people are not interested in the technology, they are interested in the social experience. For a communication system to actually get any momentum, the branding is just as important as the technology.

True good points. But the suggestions are so generic and also doent follow the patern you named. The suggestions are made up of two generic words. Skype etc. are newly made up words. And I think Keyhotee is very catchy and distinct. And the referrence to Quixote is great to make marketing stories out of it in NSA times...
Maybe there are other suggestions which keep the advantages and improve on length (Keyhotee has 3 syllables which also makes it hard to use as a verb), "verb-alizing" qualities etc.

Whatsapp and Facebook are not used as verbs by the way....
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Agent86 on March 26, 2014, 12:54:55 am
What about something like "Privee" (pronounced like the word privy - has the connotation of information you only share with those who should have it)

In any case I think if we were to switch names it should be something that people REALLY like and a clear consensus emerges. The community seems open to considering a new name (with keyhotee being the code name during development) but it would need to be something special that captures people's imagination and everyone gravitates to it, not just "BitMail."  There are big costs to making a switch, it needs to be marketed and a lot of people like keyhotee; at some point you have to stick to something.  So if you don't like the name, think of something that really captures people and gets a lot of support, gets people excited, get creative, think outside the box.  I don't think we should make a change if there is a large split in opinion.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 26, 2014, 01:10:55 am
What about something like "Privee" (pronounced like the word privy - has the connotation of information you only share with those who should have it)

In any case I think if we were to switch names it should be something that people REALLY like and a clear consensus emerges. The community seems open to considering a new name (with keyhotee being the code name during development) but it would need to be something special that captures people's imagination and everyone gravitates to it, not just "BitMail."  There are big costs to making a switch, it needs to be marketed and a lot of people like keyhotee; at some point you have to stick to something.  So if you don't like the name, think of something that really captures people and gets a lot of support, gets people excited, get creative, think outside the box.  I don't think we should make a change if there is a large split in opinion.

 +5%
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbadger on March 26, 2014, 01:29:49 am
I agree, I think that Keyhotee will never catch on with that name.  It's quite off-putting (you really have to think about how to pronounce it -- I think that most people would pronounce the middle syllable "hot" and not be able to make the connection with Don Quixote) and I actually think of Don Quixote in a negative light as well.  "Tilting at windmills" is generally a negative phrase.  I haven't said anything so far because I know how nerds love their puns.  (Don't stone me, I'm a nerd too!)

I think that the "can it be used as a verb" thing is important.  In a perfect world, I would choose "Keyper", "Keypr", "Keepr", or something like that.  It seems that all of those domain names are taken.  We need some short verb that at least kinda makes sense to use with "Key".  Keyfixer/Keyfixr?  KeyHopper?  Keydigger?  KeyZapper?  KeypTabs?  KeypMe?
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Agent86 on March 26, 2014, 02:02:29 am
I agree, I think that Keyhotee will never catch on with that name.  It's quite off-putting (you really have to think about how to pronounce it -- I think that most people would pronounce the middle syllable "hot" and not be able to make the connection with Don Quixote) and I actually think of Don Quixote in a negative light as well.  "Tilting at windmills" is generally a negative phrase.  I haven't said anything so far because I know how nerds love their puns.  (Don't stone me, I'm a nerd too!)

I think that the "can it be used as a verb" thing is important.  In a perfect world, I would choose "Keyper", "Keypr", "Keepr", or something like that.  It seems that all of those domain names are taken.  We need some short verb that at least kinda makes sense to use with "Key".  Keyfixer/Keyfixr?  KeyHopper?  Keydigger?  KeyZapper?  KeypTabs?  KeypMe?

I think people would end up associating the name Keyhotee with the product Keyhotee and little else and it would not preclude it from being successful.  So if people like the product, they will come to like the name.  "Yahoo" doesn't have any good connotations; look up the definition.

The definitions for yahoo I found:
a rude, noisy, or violent person
a boorish, crass, or stupid person
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbadger on March 26, 2014, 02:24:59 am
I agree, I think that Keyhotee will never catch on with that name.  It's quite off-putting (you really have to think about how to pronounce it -- I think that most people would pronounce the middle syllable "hot" and not be able to make the connection with Don Quixote) and I actually think of Don Quixote in a negative light as well.  "Tilting at windmills" is generally a negative phrase.  I haven't said anything so far because I know how nerds love their puns.  (Don't stone me, I'm a nerd too!)

I think that the "can it be used as a verb" thing is important.  In a perfect world, I would choose "Keyper", "Keypr", "Keepr", or something like that.  It seems that all of those domain names are taken.  We need some short verb that at least kinda makes sense to use with "Key".  Keyfixer/Keyfixr?  KeyHopper?  Keydigger?  KeyZapper?  KeypTabs?  KeypMe?

I think people would end up associating the name Keyhotee with the product Keyhotee and little else and it would not preclude it from being successful.  So if people like the product, they will come to like the name.  "Yahoo" doesn't have any good connotations; look up the definition.

The definitions for yahoo I found:
a rude, noisy, or violent person
a boorish, crass, or stupid person

It is also something that you shout when you're having fun, which I think is most Americans' first thought when hearing it.  Plus it is 2 syllables and hard to mispronounce.

I would wager that 50% of Americans couldn't tell you anything about Don Quixote or how to pronounce his name.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Agent86 on March 26, 2014, 09:20:08 am
I agree, I think that Keyhotee will never catch on with that name.  It's quite off-putting (you really have to think about how to pronounce it -- I think that most people would pronounce the middle syllable "hot" and not be able to make the connection with Don Quixote)

Another option is we could drop the "h".  Just have Keyotee. I think I may prefer this.  It looks like there was some mom and pop business in texas that may not be in business anymore with the name Keyotee, the business owner seems to be using www.keyotee.com as a family webpage... It might not cost too much to buy it.

My best complete new name idea is Privee

PriveeMail
PriveeName = Keyhotee ID

(I think your idea of Keyper is better than other suggestions with bit, but as you said, it already has a little use and may be hard to get domain names)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 26, 2014, 02:49:18 pm
Are all domains .com .info .org etc. taken for  "Keyper", "Keypr", "Keepr" ? Cause I like that... :) I find Keypr the best of those three. Undecided aginst Keyhotee...
We can just use a domain from the BTS DNS service...
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Stan on March 26, 2014, 04:19:58 pm
How about this for a simple solution?

There are lots of examples where the same product is marketed under different names to reach different demographics.

Dodge and Plymouth produced the Neon and the Colt
Plymouth and Chrysler produced the Voyager
Pontiac and Ferrari did the GTO
Nissan Quest and Mercury Villager were essentially identical.

So we could release Keyhotee in many different flavors, named to gain traction in different markets:

Keyhotee 屠龙
Keyhotee Drachentöter
Keyhotee драконов
Keyhotee קוטל הדרקונים
Keyhotee δρακοντοκτόνος
Keyhotee ドラゴンスレイヤー
Keyhotee smokow

Interestingly, half the languages I checked used the same exact word:  dragonslayer!


Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on March 26, 2014, 04:28:48 pm
Everyone went to gmail because they made a difference with offering a lot of space "1GB and rising" while others only had 12mb or deleted everything after 3 or so months of not signing in (that's how I lost my many year old Hotmail account..). The name of the service is not so important. It is important that the features are all there. Like when you search in Wikipedia for a comparison of BitTorrent clients http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_clients you will see some clients where everything is green. Keyhotee must also have all fields green. Then the people (at least me) want it. Green is beautiful ;) 
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on March 26, 2014, 04:34:00 pm
How about this for a simple solution?

There are lots of examples where the same product is marketed under different names to reach different demographics.

Dodge and Plymouth produced the Neon and the Colt
Plymouth and Chrysler produced the Voyager
Pontiac and Ferrari did the GTO
Nissan Quest and Mercury Villager were essentially identical.

So we could release Keyhotee in many different flavors, named to gain traction in different markets:

Keyhotee 屠龙
Keyhotee Drachentöter
Keyhotee драконов
Keyhotee קוטל הדרקונים
Keyhotee δρακοντοκτόνος
Keyhotee ドラゴンスレイヤー
Keyhotee smokow

Interestingly, half the languages I checked used the same exact word:  dragonslayer!

Good idea Stan!
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Stan on March 26, 2014, 04:38:14 pm
Oh yes, and lets not forget Keyhoteestan.

That's a small country I may get around to forming on a mountaintop in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

19.0071290, -153.8387376

It's elevation is currently comparable to Death Valley in the California Mojave Dessert, but it has a much wetter climate.
Right now you can't grow much there, but after I reverse global warming and get a lot of the ocean piled back up on the polar ice caps, I think it could be quite nice.

The only thing I can say for it now is that it is sovereign territory.


Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: 38PTSWarrior on March 26, 2014, 04:41:10 pm
Weed will grow, and I could make a coffeeshop there!!  +5%
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbadger on March 26, 2014, 06:31:39 pm
How about this for a simple solution?

There are lots of examples where the same product is marketed under different names to reach different demographics.

Dodge and Plymouth produced the Neon and the Colt
Plymouth and Chrysler produced the Voyager
Pontiac and Ferrari did the GTO
Nissan Quest and Mercury Villager were essentially identical.

So we could release Keyhotee in many different flavors, named to gain traction in different markets:

Keyhotee 屠龙
Keyhotee Drachentöter
Keyhotee драконов
Keyhotee קוטל הדרקונים
Keyhotee δρακοντοκτόνος
Keyhotee ドラゴンスレイヤー
Keyhotee smokow

Interestingly, half the languages I checked used the same exact word:  dragonslayer!

I would be fully in favor of rebranding as Keyslayer.  Keytoter would be nice too.  "Killer" in German but "Tote" has a nice connotation in English as well, which actually kind of describes what Keyhotee does!  It carries your keys for you.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on March 27, 2014, 01:22:15 am
BitShares Keyhotee -->  BitKey

 :) :)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: donkeypong on March 27, 2014, 06:48:59 pm
Key Hottie

(http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/fqlvah-l-c335x335.jpg)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: JakeThePanda on March 27, 2014, 07:11:16 pm
That's not a fair poll. You should include Keyhotee as an option too
+1 Agree

The option to leave it alone is voting for Keyhotee.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 27, 2014, 07:14:09 pm
That's not a fair poll. You should include Keyhotee as an option too
+1 Agree

The option to leave it alone is voting for Keyhotee.

It still says Keyhotee is the best option.
The poll doesn't ask: Change it? Y/N
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: speedy on March 27, 2014, 09:24:57 pm
Can we have a poll option to get rid of the 'h' ? We at least dont want a "ho" in the name.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on March 27, 2014, 10:18:01 pm
Can we have a poll option to get rid of the 'h' ? We at least dont want a "ho" in the name.

+10
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: chryspano on March 28, 2014, 07:11:05 am
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbadger on March 28, 2014, 07:54:20 am
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: chryspano on March 28, 2014, 09:30:48 am
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

It's like we have 3-4 forks in a cryptocurrency each trying to change something different, their total hash power may be greater than the hashpower of the original blockchain but none of them can force their changes to the original blockchain.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 28, 2014, 10:28:45 am
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

That's not correct. 4 ppl prefer BitMail, 13 prefer BitKey, 12 prefer KeyMail, 25 prefer Keyhotee. This doesn't mean for example that the 13 that prefer BitKey would choose KeyMail over Keyhotee. Precisely: They just said, that in a given case (and the poll question assumes as it would be a given case; which contradicts the option for Keyhotee again), they prefer the Name they choose... 
Other problem: Keyhotee was added to the poll when half of the votes where given, which might have had an effect.
Other than that: 37 people here on the forum can hardly represent all AGS/PTS holders.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbadger on March 28, 2014, 05:58:51 pm
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

That's not correct. 4 ppl prefer BitMail, 13 prefer BitKey, 12 prefer KeyMail, 25 prefer Keyhotee. This doesn't mean for example that the 13 that prefer BitKey would choose KeyMail over Keyhotee. Precisely: They just said, that in a given case (and the poll question assumes as it would be a given case; which contradicts the option for Keyhotee again), they prefer the Name they choose... 
Other problem: Keyhotee was added to the poll when half of the votes where given, which might have had an effect.
Other than that: 37 people here on the forum can hardly represent all AGS/PTS holders.

All of this is true.  It was somewhat of a flawed poll.  But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 28, 2014, 06:32:59 pm
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

That's not correct. 4 ppl prefer BitMail, 13 prefer BitKey, 12 prefer KeyMail, 25 prefer Keyhotee. This doesn't mean for example that the 13 that prefer BitKey would choose KeyMail over Keyhotee. Precisely: They just said, that in a given case (and the poll question assumes as it would be a given case; which contradicts the option for Keyhotee again), they prefer the Name they choose... 
Other problem: Keyhotee was added to the poll when half of the votes where given, which might have had an effect.
Other than that: 37 people here on the forum can hardly represent all AGS/PTS holders.

All of this is true.  It was somewhat of a flawed poll.  But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

Quote
But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

What is that conclusion based on. It at least can not be based on this poll...
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Pheonike on March 31, 2014, 06:47:32 pm


How about  "BitBox" or "KeyBox"?

Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on March 31, 2014, 07:03:36 pm
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

That's not correct. 4 ppl prefer BitMail, 13 prefer BitKey, 12 prefer KeyMail, 25 prefer Keyhotee. This doesn't mean for example that the 13 that prefer BitKey would choose KeyMail over Keyhotee. Precisely: They just said, that in a given case (and the poll question assumes as it would be a given case; which contradicts the option for Keyhotee again), they prefer the Name they choose... 
Other problem: Keyhotee was added to the poll when half of the votes where given, which might have had an effect.
Other than that: 37 people here on the forum can hardly represent all AGS/PTS holders.

All of this is true.  It was somewhat of a flawed poll.  But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

Quote
But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

What is that conclusion based on. It at least can not be based on this poll...

It would be based on this poll ... only 48% say "Leave it alone" ... 52% say change it, in some form or another
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: santaclause102 on March 31, 2014, 07:23:56 pm
In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

That's not correct. 4 ppl prefer BitMail, 13 prefer BitKey, 12 prefer KeyMail, 25 prefer Keyhotee. This doesn't mean for example that the 13 that prefer BitKey would choose KeyMail over Keyhotee. Precisely: They just said, that in a given case (and the poll question assumes as it would be a given case; which contradicts the option for Keyhotee again), they prefer the Name they choose... 
Other problem: Keyhotee was added to the poll when half of the votes where given, which might have had an effect.
Other than that: 37 people here on the forum can hardly represent all AGS/PTS holders.

All of this is true.  It was somewhat of a flawed poll.  But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

Quote
But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

What is that conclusion based on. It at least can not be based on this poll...

It would be based on this poll ... only 48% say "Leave it alone" ... 52% say change it, in some form or another

Sorry, that is not correct.
An accurate poll to see whether people would want to change it (and that would only include the sahrehodlers here on the forum) would be: Do you want to change the Keyhotee name or not? Then you make a poll with all the name contenders. Select the best one and let it run against Keyhotee. That would be correct. With the poll in this thread we get what we ask for and that was not. Do you want to change it or not.
Title: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on March 31, 2014, 07:27:18 pm

In case you havn't noticed yet the majority doesnt want to change or alter the name, you are in the "weak" blockchain fork.

So, please leave the name alone unless you have good arguments. And dont forget that keyhotee's true power will come from what it will offer to its users, this is revolulotionary, so please stop trying to treat it like a normal mail service that needs a "good" name in order to succeed. Keyhotee is doomed to SUCCED and already has the best name IMO.

Apology for poor english.

Your English is not bad at all.  Just a few misspellings, no grammatical errors.

But to the point: It's actually not that simple!  Currently 28 people want to change the name (given the 3 choices, none of which were all that great IMHO) while 24 want to keep it.  So the majority actually wants to change it, they just didn't agree on what to change it to.

That's not correct. 4 ppl prefer BitMail, 13 prefer BitKey, 12 prefer KeyMail, 25 prefer Keyhotee. This doesn't mean for example that the 13 that prefer BitKey would choose KeyMail over Keyhotee. Precisely: They just said, that in a given case (and the poll question assumes as it would be a given case; which contradicts the option for Keyhotee again), they prefer the Name they choose... 
Other problem: Keyhotee was added to the poll when half of the votes where given, which might have had an effect.
Other than that: 37 people here on the forum can hardly represent all AGS/PTS holders.

All of this is true.  It was somewhat of a flawed poll.  But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

Quote
But I think it's telling that slightly over 1/2 of the people who come here, on the Bitshares forum, in the Keyhotee section, think that it should be changed from Keyhotee to something else.

What is that conclusion based on. It at least can not be based on this poll...

It would be based on this poll ... only 48% say "Leave it alone" ... 52% say change it, in some form or another

Sorry, that is not correct.
An accurate poll to see whether people would want to change it (and that would only include the sahrehodlers here on the forum) would be: Do you want to change the Keyhotee name or not? Then you make a poll with all the name contenders. Select the best one and let it run against Keyhotee. That would be correct. With the poll in this thread we get what we ask for and that was not. Do you want to change it or not.

You are correct, arguably, as am I
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: etherbroker on April 02, 2014, 08:08:59 am
democracy leads to mediocrity

sorry had to say it


We will be wiser to follow the devs lead more, and it seems like they are really listening to our input anyway

voting on stuff could really leave a lot of people unhappy

I am not criticizing the OP or anything.   

Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: donkeypong on April 02, 2014, 04:49:54 pm
democracy leads to mediocrity

sorry had to say it


We will be wiser to follow the devs lead more, and it seems like they are really listening to our input anyway

voting on stuff could really leave a lot of people unhappy

I am not criticizing the OP or anything.   

Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics

Listening is essential and they are doing it well. But I agree that leaders need to make decisions and have room to do so. So far, I like what I see. As for the Keyhotee name, I kind of like it, but I understand the criticisms also. Personally, I thought Twitter was the dumbest name ever, and look what happened to that. Sometimes, a fresh new name just comes out of left field and it really makes a branding impact. It can be good to follow sometimes (e.g., the whole 'bit' thing), and other times leading is the right thing to do. I will leave this to smarter people than me to decide. 
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: unimercio on April 02, 2014, 06:16:16 pm
democracy leads to mediocrity

sorry had to say it


We will be wiser to follow the devs lead more, and it seems like they are really listening to our input anyway

voting on stuff could really leave a lot of people unhappy

I am not criticizing the OP or anything.   

Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics
+5% oh how I yearn for a benevolent dictator
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 02, 2014, 11:37:29 pm
duck id  (and we don't forget Larimers DAC idea)
 
think about it!
Its all included...

crypto meaning  (DAC Idea) and not only
unique
easy to use: give me your duck id
nobody forget it, easy to remember
logo friendly
doge effect on community and widespread adoption
name are catchy and fun

and going one step further why dont use the duck for all DACs

bitshares X duck
bitshares ME duck
DNS duck
VOICE duck
MAS duck :)
MUSIC duck (see logo example)
VEGAS duck
whatever duck


(http://stocklogos.com/sites/default/files/styles/logo-medium/public/logos/image/1357741061-66f10b14347ecfe525807b73bfa5e7fc.png)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7k36gQ2SPKhxktPNQpz2ifJ4FcpgZGzsUHZWD4GxsyCgprzIErw)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgTR4GBBUWOwSx46DFVmKAzrdIeaVcPY3zQFFOliXMwmphktwquA)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_YHZ3K4onk0PWgFqWEVNALD7-0daalHfJL_MnkBOXHvM73rUzpQ)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Stan on April 03, 2014, 12:12:04 am
duck id  (and we don't forget Larimers DAC idea)
 
think about it!
Its all included...

crypto meaning  (DAC Idea) and not only
unique
easy to use: give me your duck id
nobody forget it, easy to remember
logo friendly
doge effect on community and widespread adoption
name are catchy and fun

and going one step further why dont use the duck for all DACs

bitshares X duck
bitshares ME duck
DNS duck
VOICE duck
MAS duck :)
MUSIC duck (see logo example)
VEGAS duck
whatever duck


(http://stocklogos.com/sites/default/files/styles/logo-medium/public/logos/image/1357741061-66f10b14347ecfe525807b73bfa5e7fc.png)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7k36gQ2SPKhxktPNQpz2ifJ4FcpgZGzsUHZWD4GxsyCgprzIErw)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgTR4GBBUWOwSx46DFVmKAzrdIeaVcPY3zQFFOliXMwmphktwquA)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_YHZ3K4onk0PWgFqWEVNALD7-0daalHfJL_MnkBOXHvM73rUzpQ)

Don't forget the infamous "Daffy DAC"

Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 03, 2014, 12:19:40 am
(http://www.hdpaperwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/179203-Sepik.jpg)
Title: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on April 03, 2014, 12:42:09 am
duck id  (and we don't forget Larimers DAC idea)
 
think about it!
Its all included...

crypto meaning  (DAC Idea) and not only
unique
easy to use: give me your duck id
nobody forget it, easy to remember
logo friendly
doge effect on community and widespread adoption
name are catchy and fun

and going one step further why dont use the duck for all DACs

bitshares X duck
bitshares ME duck
DNS duck
VOICE duck
MAS duck :)
MUSIC duck (see logo example)
VEGAS duck
whatever duck


(http://stocklogos.com/sites/default/files/styles/logo-medium/public/logos/image/1357741061-66f10b14347ecfe525807b73bfa5e7fc.png)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7k36gQ2SPKhxktPNQpz2ifJ4FcpgZGzsUHZWD4GxsyCgprzIErw)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgTR4GBBUWOwSx46DFVmKAzrdIeaVcPY3zQFFOliXMwmphktwquA)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_YHZ3K4onk0PWgFqWEVNALD7-0daalHfJL_MnkBOXHvM73rUzpQ)


This is actually out of the box genius


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Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: oldman on April 03, 2014, 04:37:30 am
Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics

You are correct, however, this is exactly the point of the exercise - what does the average Joe (defined as not a developer) feel/think about the branding?

My initial experience was not positive and I thought it something the community should explore.

The uniqueness and non-bitness of Keyhotee are huge strengths.

But I just can't get past the third syllable.

The vast majority of successful/breakthrough branding campaigns used two syllables - we really can't afford to ignore this.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: mint chocolate chip on April 03, 2014, 08:55:28 am
Its just my opinion that voting on can't produce excellence because the voters are informed at different levels about different topics

You are correct, however, this is exactly the point of the exercise - what does the average Joe (defined as not a developer) feel/think about the branding?

My initial experience was not positive and I thought it something the community should explore.

The uniqueness and non-bitness of Keyhotee are huge strengths.

But I just can't get past the third syllable.

The vast majority of successful/breakthrough branding campaigns used two syllables - we really can't afford to ignore this.

It's worth noting that Microsoft, Amazon, Toyota and McDonald's have somehow overcome the third syllable.


'duck, duck, break loose'
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: donkeypong on April 03, 2014, 06:02:16 pm
That duck idea is potentially brilliant. If I were part of Invictus, I would consider that worthy of a very serious discussion, very soon, because it brands the whole suite and the DAC word itself in a way that is cute but not offensive. Marketing Department, how about a little market research on which of these ideas resonates best with the target crowd? Stand outside a Starbucks and offer a coffee coupon to anyone who tells you which of these names they like best?
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: hadrian on April 03, 2014, 07:18:41 pm
The duck idea is good in that it can be applied across the board with DACs.

"donKEY ID" is still my suggestion. I don't think it's as stupid as I first thought in a previous post.

"donKEY ID" sounds very much like "Don Quixote" (from whom Keyhotee derives it's name).
Just try saying the two aloud.

donKEY ID is easy to remember, it's two syllables, it contains the "key" element, it's logo friendly, it sounds like Don Quixote...

I've not thought much about how to arrange the upper and lower case lettering though.

Will the name appeal to the owner of the previous post - donkeypong!?

(http://i.imgur.com/bIOHwVB.png)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: donkeypong on April 03, 2014, 07:40:51 pm
Thoughtful of you. But I actually like Keyhotee better than the donkey. To me, donkeys have an aura of silliness, maybe bordering on a joke. The "duck" terms work better in my mind because it's phonetically similar to DAC. I think it could result in a lighthearted explanation for what a DAC is...and if people started calling them ducks, that wouldn't be so bad.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: sumantso on April 04, 2014, 08:58:33 pm


Decent suggestion, but I will pass on this. Donkey has too much of a negative connotation.

That Duck is a genius left field idea, though.  *Paging Brian*
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 04, 2014, 10:01:09 pm
(http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/compositions/18014822/views/1,width=280,height=280,appearanceId=231.png/starwars-duck-vader_design.png)
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/hAlSvWoajLI/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8ymupjzmB1qzyvneo1_500.jpg)

Nobody will stop DACs
http://youtu.be/Ovfs-kBNLMo
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 05, 2014, 12:05:20 pm
Succesfull online ducks...

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/04/duckduckgo-gabriel-weinberg-secure-searches
Title: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on April 05, 2014, 01:25:14 pm
(http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/compositions/18014822/views/1,width=280,height=280,appearanceId=231.png/starwars-duck-vader_design.png)
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/hAlSvWoajLI/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8ymupjzmB1qzyvneo1_500.jpg)

Nobody will stop DACs
http://youtu.be/Ovfs-kBNLMo

Like this example, the duck idea would go viral


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Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on April 05, 2014, 01:28:31 pm

That duck idea is potentially brilliant. If I were part of Invictus, I would consider that worthy of a very serious discussion, very soon, because it brands the whole suite and the DAC word itself in a way that is cute but not offensive. Marketing Department, how about a little market research on which of these ideas resonates best with the target crowd? Stand outside a Starbucks and offer a coffee coupon to anyone who tells you which of these names they like best?

+5%


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Title: Re: Keyhotee - Rebranding
Post by: WildWex on April 05, 2014, 04:22:30 pm
Wasn't Gmail originally BitMail?   Probably not the best choice.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100304045911/http://www.bitmail.com/


BitMail sounds nice indeed, I do like the name Keyhotee but I agree it might be difficult to market and it doesn't say anything about what it does, but then again so doesn't Firefox, Chrome and Skype.

Well  +5% for BitMail anyways!
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Empirical1 on April 06, 2014, 09:37:29 pm
duck id  (and we don't forget Larimers DAC idea)
 
think about it!
Its all included...

crypto meaning  (DAC Idea) and not only
unique
easy to use: give me your duck id
nobody forget it, easy to remember
logo friendly
doge effect on community and widespread adoption
name are catchy and fun

and going one step further why dont use the duck for all DACs

bitshares X duck
bitshares ME duck
DNS duck
VOICE duck
MAS duck :)
MUSIC duck (see logo example)
VEGAS duck
whatever duck


(http://stocklogos.com/sites/default/files/styles/logo-medium/public/logos/image/1357741061-66f10b14347ecfe525807b73bfa5e7fc.png)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7k36gQ2SPKhxktPNQpz2ifJ4FcpgZGzsUHZWD4GxsyCgprzIErw)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgTR4GBBUWOwSx46DFVmKAzrdIeaVcPY3zQFFOliXMwmphktwquA)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_YHZ3K4onk0PWgFqWEVNALD7-0daalHfJL_MnkBOXHvM73rUzpQ)

 +5%

'Bitshares X Duck' still under construction... 

(http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/50ft-duck-on-the-thames-ay_99598353.jpg)

Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 07, 2014, 03:44:28 am
Good news! We have a new member on Invictus Innovations.
It is a matter of time to see the new Ultra DACs...


(http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-duck-afro-hair.jpg)


what do you think about... our

duckstein Id

or

duckstein Key
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: oldman on April 07, 2014, 03:51:52 am
This:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4044.msg50723#msg50723 (ftp://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4044.msg50723#msg50723)

Keyhotee --> KeyMail --> KeyID

Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 07, 2014, 05:15:36 am
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bD9wWt9pwSU/U0Iz-1zGJhI/AAAAAAAACrI/Dz1fr9tt4Ro/s1600/duckId.png)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Brekyrself on April 07, 2014, 05:49:03 am
BitKey makes sense because Keyhotee goes beyond just email.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 07, 2014, 11:35:11 am
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P51ycboA0e4/U0KNPPpO8hI/AAAAAAAACrY/E6nkjRWAiMQ/s1600/duckkey.png)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: donkeypong on April 07, 2014, 04:36:49 pm
Bring on the ducks; I'm ready!

(http://cp91278.aetv.com/AandE_Duck-Dynasty_39_Phil039s-Pheromones_SF_HD_768x432-16x9.jpg)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Empirical1 on April 08, 2014, 06:30:44 pm
Banking, Domain Names, Stock Exchanges, Money, Music, Charity, Insurance, Voting, Gaming, Lending, Identity...

Just getting all our dac's in a row  :D

Q. How do you mend a broken DAC?
A. With Dac-tape of course.

Q. What's the difference between DAC's and ducks?
A. DAC's have no bills.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 08, 2014, 08:09:07 pm
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6zSPdJEYz10/U0Rb2hx8d9I/AAAAAAAACr0/SH9eLc4ogIQ/s1600/reimagine1200.png)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: sumantso on April 09, 2014, 12:19:39 pm
What are the odds somebody reading this is going to release a DUCK based on scrypt? The meme potential is huge as DOGE showed.
Title: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on April 09, 2014, 12:40:31 pm
Duck key sounds like ducky, like little ducky


"What's your ducky?"

Proposal: Keyhotee should be rebranded DUCKY

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Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 09, 2014, 01:07:19 pm
Duck key sounds like ducky, like little ducky


"What's your ducky?"

Proposal: Keyhotee should be rebranded DUCKY

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 +5%

not bad at all I think
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 09, 2014, 01:23:08 pm
some problems I found  :) :P

http://www.duckie.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duckie_(group)

Duckie is a collective of performance artists that describes itself as “a post-gay independent arts outfit.”[1] They produce a mix of so-called "cultural interventions", such as club nights, new-mode pop, burlesque and performance events, as well as anti-theatre experimentation. They have described their work as "mixing the arthouse with the dosshouse"[2] and putting "highbrow performance in backstreet pubs and lowbrow performance in posh theatres".[3]


so better duck id  :)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on April 09, 2014, 01:25:47 pm

some problems I found  :) :P

http://www.duckie.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duckie_(group)

Duckie is a collective of performance artists that describes itself as “a post-gay independent arts outfit.”[1] They produce a mix of so-called "cultural interventions", such as club nights, new-mode pop, burlesque and performance events, as well as anti-theatre experimentation. They have described their work as "mixing the arthouse with the dosshouse"[2] and putting "highbrow performance in backstreet pubs and lowbrow performance in posh theatres".[3]


so better duck id  :)


DucKey


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Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on April 15, 2014, 07:13:35 am
           GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E6-H2z5ZO0Q/U0zbUlOYBJI/AAAAAAAACsI/rDOF5V2-dHU/s1600/bitvsduck.png)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: bitbro on April 15, 2014, 02:10:24 pm

           GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E6-H2z5ZO0Q/U0zbUlOYBJI/AAAAAAAACsI/rDOF5V2-dHU/s1600/bitvsduck.png)

Mhmm


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Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: MktDirector on May 13, 2014, 05:02:21 pm
I'll throw in my 2 PTS:

Yes, I think keyhotee could possibly be renamed.  But bytemaster likes keyhotee as a name and seeing as how all the Don Quixote references are nearly gone now, this may be the last remaining reference,  :-\.  Love the duck meme, more for laughs than for serious consideration. But then again Dogecoin was just supposed to be a silly meme and it's now a borderline religion for some. ha.   B
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: toast on May 13, 2014, 05:07:36 pm
I've had multiple encounters IRL like this:

"blah blah blah Keyhotee"
"That sounds cool, but you should change the name. Did you know it sounds like Quixote? That's the name of a character that failed at everything he tried"
"Yes! That's actually deliberate, the founders find his determination inspiring"


Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: JoeyD on May 13, 2014, 05:29:29 pm
Then again, a yahoo was not one of the most awe inspiring characters from Gullivers Travels and who knew there was a way to make a play on the words goggling and oggling be all the rage.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: toast on May 13, 2014, 05:55:47 pm
Then again, a yahoo was not one of the most awe inspiring characters from Gullivers Travels and who knew there was a way to make a play on the words goggling and oggling be all the rage.

"Yahoo" existed as an exclamation before that show,  and it was a play on "googol" which has no pre-existing connotations.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on May 13, 2014, 06:25:53 pm
I am excited

(http://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2013/8/24/0/4/a/04ad32e8-0ca6-11e3-8cfb-6cad754a76fe.jpg)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: JoeyD on May 13, 2014, 06:29:09 pm
Then again, a yahoo was not one of the most awe inspiring characters from Gullivers Travels and who knew there was a way to make a play on the words goggling and oggling be all the rage.

"Yahoo" existed as an exclamation before that show,  and it was a play on "googol" which has no pre-existing connotations.
Is there actually a show about the book? Then again, why am I surprised about that, who reads books anymore? Also I very much doubt the goggle and oggling soundalike is an accident, at the very least I suspect it to be the root cause for the "spelling mistake" which led to the name and them liking the name in the first place.

Also I hope the fact that the less than subtle critique in Don Quichote, on the loss of core values and principles in society and one mans seemingly crazy opposition to this, is not entirely lost on the reader. It would be sad if all that remains would be crude statements where double entendres are only interpreted as confusing. There's a lot that can be done in binary, but I don't like the idea of human communication becoming binary one bit.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Stan on May 13, 2014, 06:49:32 pm
I've had multiple encounters IRL like this:

"blah blah blah Keyhotee"
"That sounds cool, but you should change the name. Did you know it sounds like Quixote? That's the name of a character that failed at everything he tried"
"Yes! That's actually deliberate, the founders find his determination inspiring"


Oh, good, I get to post my favorite Tilting at Sauron meme again!

(http://static.squarespace.com/static/51fb043ee4b0608e46483caf/t/526f194be4b08cf7d693f949/1383012747165/Keotee%20Windmill%20Sauron.png?format=1000w)

Quote
"Concealed within his fortress, the lord of Mordor sees all.
His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, and flesh.
You know of what I speak, Gandalf: a great Eye, lidless, wreathed in flame."


—Saruman, Lord of the Rings
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: werneo on May 13, 2014, 07:04:31 pm
Almost 3/4s of respondents to the poll think that the name should be changed.

When I first heard about keyhotee, the first thing I thought of was Don Quixote, old and deluded, tilting at windmills. Second thought was: This is not a hopeful brand name for a new venture.

I vote for change.
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on May 13, 2014, 07:53:40 pm
   Do you want to eat something my litle DAC ?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-S5xbzrTTlUI/U3J2MC28DRI/AAAAAAAACxY/j13LuuyqqiU/s1600/duck.png)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on May 13, 2014, 10:04:42 pm
Serendipity  ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on May 13, 2014, 11:22:03 pm
I am.  Discussed with bytemaster a while back.  The duck thing is quite funny...we could do Duck vs Doge, clash of the meme titans.

               DACs vs DOGE

(http://cute-pets.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/ducks.JPG)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: Stan on May 14, 2014, 12:55:42 am
I am.  Discussed with bytemaster a while back.  The duck thing is quite funny...we could do Duck vs Doge, clash of the meme titans.

               DACs vs DOGE

(http://cute-pets.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/ducks.JPG)

I'm thinkin' them Dawgs and DAClings look very fond of each other...

"We will fight for canine freedom
And hold our billed heads high.
We will fly free with the pack and grow...
... or die!"

Sung to the tune of Cows with Guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI)


Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: cass on May 14, 2014, 09:14:28 am
I'll throw in my 2 PTS:

Yes, I think keyhotee could possibly be renamed.  But bytemaster likes keyhotee as a name and seeing as how all the Don Quixote references are nearly gone now, this may be the last remaining reference,  :-\.  Love the duck meme, more for laughs than for serious consideration. But then again Dogecoin was just supposed to be a silly meme and it's now a borderline religion for some. ha.   B

indeed it is with doge! I'd like to keep keyhotee name also! Maybe shorten keyhotee to for example keyote or something ... but i really like meme
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on May 14, 2014, 10:37:30 am
BTW "Beyond Bitcoin Podcast's " are awesome!

(https://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nTzGhuuxHs4/0.jpg)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on May 19, 2014, 12:03:59 pm
What about a duck with golden eggs?

(http://cdnvideo.dolimg.com/cdn_assets/2f8fb33747930154fa040feb0f2bfc4388dd59fd.jpg)
Title: Re: Keyhotee Rebranding - BitMail / BitKey / KeyMail / KeyID
Post by: liondani on May 19, 2014, 12:14:27 pm
               DAC result

(http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/golden-goose-golden-egg.jpg)