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Title: About the coins & chips in the DACs
Post by: hansonwcn on April 01, 2014, 02:37:20 am
About the coin & chips  in the DACs

    There are signs that many DAC developers intent to create new coins in their DAC systems.
 I don't think it's good for the BitSahares ecosystem.

    If every DAC has it's own coin, it becomes another "altcoin factory" and scattered the whole value of the BitShares ecosystem. It's not good for attracting  external capital.
    It will be more healthy if these DACs use bitUSD, bitCNY or something has "consensus value" as their chips to minimize the kinds of currency. Thus the whole values of the DACs ecosystem will be drived up.
    Of cause, all these based on the bitshares X.

    Maybe it exist better solution for this problem.
Title: Re: About the coins & chips in the DACs
Post by: XHC on April 01, 2014, 03:22:25 am
About the coin & chips  in the DACs

    There are signs that many DAC developers intent to create new coins in their DAC systems.
 I don't think it's good for the BitSahares ecosystem.

    If every DAC has it's own coin, it becomes another "altcoin factory" and scattered the whole value of the BitShares ecosystem. It's not good for attracting  external capital.
    It will be more healthy if these DACs use bitUSD, bitCNY or something has "consensus value" as their chips to minimize the kinds of currency. Thus the whole values of the DACs ecosystem will be drived up.
    Of cause, all these based on the bitshares X.

    Maybe it exist better solution for this problem.
Shouldn't DACs have their own DAC-shares to do fund raising, or the coins you mentioned don't mean DAC-shares?
Title: Re: About the coins & chips in the DACs
Post by: donkeypong on April 01, 2014, 05:25:00 am
I agree in principle. Enough coins already and let's not dilute the Bitshares ecosystem. But DAC developers should be free to create their own business models; some will work and others will fail. And if you think about it, pumping and maintaining a coin takes a huge amount of time, energy, and cost, which might be better spent promoting the DAC itself. If someone needs seed money, it might be a lot easier to run an IPO on Bitshares Me.
Title: Re: About the coins & chips in the DACs
Post by: toast on April 01, 2014, 05:26:43 am
DACs need control of their shares on a blockchain to function, otherwise they cannot add economic value and can only facilitate trust trading
Title: Re: About the coins & chips in the DACs
Post by: biophil on April 01, 2014, 02:34:03 pm
About the coin & chips  in the DACs

    There are signs that many DAC developers intent to create new coins in their DAC systems.
 I don't think it's good for the BitSahares ecosystem.

    If every DAC has it's own coin, it becomes another "altcoin factory" and scattered the whole value of the BitShares ecosystem. It's not good for attracting  external capital.
    It will be more healthy if these DACs use bitUSD, bitCNY or something has "consensus value" as their chips to minimize the kinds of currency. Thus the whole values of the DACs ecosystem will be drived up.
    Of cause, all these based on the bitshares X.

    Maybe it exist better solution for this problem.

What you propose is an excellent idea, but as I understand it, it's quite technically challenging (has never been done before). I don't completely understand how they're planning to implement it, but I've heard bytemaster mention "cross-chain trading" a time or two, which would allow people to send value back and forth between DACs.

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Title: Re: About the coins & chips in the DACs
Post by: CWEvans on April 01, 2014, 03:31:37 pm
DACs need control of their shares on a blockchain to function, otherwise they cannot add economic value and can only facilitate trust trading

Each DAC operates like a company, and its shares' value should be a function of the expected future value created by the DAC, adjusted for how risky the venture is.

Conventional companies' founders issue shares in those specific companies, and not alt-shares.

Hopefully, this will become clearer as more diverse DACs come online. As it is, the only ones that the vast majority see are altcoin DACs, which really are just altcoin mills.
Title: Re: About the coins & chips in the DACs
Post by: clout on April 02, 2014, 02:37:45 am
    If every DAC has it's own coin, it becomes another "altcoin factory" and scattered the whole value of the BitShares ecosystem. It's not good for attracting  external capital.

The point is for it to become an alt-company factory funded and coordinated by the holders of ags/pts. External capital isn't a problem given the existence of the ags/pts social consensus.
Title: Re: About the coins & chips in the DACs
Post by: sfinder on April 02, 2014, 08:07:38 am
DACs need control of their shares on a blockchain to function, otherwise they cannot add economic value and can only facilitate trust trading

elaborate your argument, please
Title: Re: About the coins & chips in the DACs
Post by: toast on April 02, 2014, 01:56:38 pm
DACs need control of their shares on a blockchain to function, otherwise they cannot add economic value and can only facilitate trust trading

elaborate your argument, please

DACs get (most of) their value as precommitment tools. They help people move to the globally best payoffs by allowing actors to make credible precommitments in situations where otherwise there is incentive to screw someone over. This means the DAC has to be able to control the payoffs in some way