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Title: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: omgomgomg on May 08, 2014, 09:40:03 pm
Haven't heard of anything, any updates, and feedbacks, any common for a week.

Are the whole crew on vacation?

Just wondering

With 3 Million AGS donation, i think the team should at least have a certain level of professionalism.
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: toast on May 08, 2014, 09:40:45 pm
I've seen like 5 updates from bm in the last few days

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Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: omgomgomg on May 08, 2014, 09:42:22 pm
I've seen like 5 updates from bm in the last few days

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not a single updates after 2nd May, that's what i'm talking about.

thanks
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: omgomgomg on May 08, 2014, 09:45:18 pm
I've seen like 5 updates from bm in the last few days

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b4 the snapshot, BM replies like everyday for so many posts. and now. not even we don't know the current status of Bitshares Wallet for a week, and haven't heard a work from both stan and BM.

Shouldn't this be the priority?
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: toast on May 08, 2014, 09:46:27 pm
Last update 6 hours ago, its all been in update thread 1.0

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Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: omgomgomg on May 08, 2014, 09:52:52 pm
Last update 6 hours ago, its all been in update thread 1.0

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I think the question posed my most ppl is how much longer? not in which day it will release, but maybe month? or quarter?

i dont think we expect to see updates everyday about debugs, it that to hard to tell?

programming can always be a loop. test - debug- test - debug - test - debug.
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: muse-umum on May 08, 2014, 10:14:25 pm
Last update 6 hours ago, its all been in update thread 1.0

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I think the question posed my most ppl is how much longer? not in which day it will release, but maybe month? or quarter?

i dont think we expect to see updates everyday about debugs, it that to hard to tell?

programming can always be a loop. test - debug- test - debug - test - debug.

BM updated in several threads which can be found easily in his posts records.

There are still some work waiting there to be taken, but I guess most of the codes have been ready.

They'll release the wallet and launch the network when they feel confident. No reasons to not to do so.

Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: donkeypong on May 08, 2014, 10:59:51 pm
OMG. A new BM alias?
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: jwiz168 on May 08, 2014, 11:02:15 pm
Dont worry BM has been putting a lot of work. Debugging is a good procedure because that means the core is complete and testing and adjustments are process by which integrity of the product is at stake . All possibility is being considered.
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: bytemaster on May 08, 2014, 11:27:53 pm
We have gotten a ton done this week.   Working in the same office.


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Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: oco101 on May 08, 2014, 11:33:36 pm
We have gotten a ton done this week.   Working in the same office.


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Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: JoeyD on May 09, 2014, 12:00:30 am
In case you haven't been following the updates on the forum and only waiting for your wallet and your shares.

From what I understand, the reasons for the delay was the discovery of the possibility of a non trivial attack. That attack was not known before the first release estimate was made. Why isn't anybody relieved that the problem was discovered before trading bitshares started? I3 had to design a new solution after the snapshot and delivery estimate was made. This new solution was now also made to help the creation of all future chains and speed up future developments.

Last week they ran the first test of the new system and ran into a number of show-stopping bugs that they are fixing right now and they expect to have those bugs fixed shortly and have the testnet back up this week. So if that test-network keeps working as expected, not only will you get your non-test-wallet up and running shortly after, but quite a few of the announced DACs will be ready to go as well.

While I see a lot of complaints about I3 and how they lack something or other, I'm not really certain all those claims are actually legitimate. Certainly not in comparison to other projects I've seen. I have not seen other teams produce 2 completely new PoS blockchain solutions in a similar timeframe, 3 blockchain solutions actually if you include the PTS-chain experiment. Also publishing a chain that is not robust or tested and that fails catastrophically seems to me to be a far worse deal than waiting a bit longer for a tested model. I'm starting to suspect people underestimate the difficulty and work required in order to design a network like this. I don't think you can expect results in the same time frame it takes to barf on your keyboard.

I'm not being a fanboy here. Well funded people working full time on just making an alternative implementation of bitcoin-core to make the network more decentralized have taken years to complete(if they ever get to that stage) and they even have an example to go by. So why would a completely new network, which seems to be quite a bit more complex than bitcoin take not at least a few months to work out?
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: santaclause102 on May 09, 2014, 12:50:39 am
If the Invictus team is not much present on the forum, it most likely means the are being productive, focusing on the work to be done.
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: Stan on May 09, 2014, 01:02:22 am
Bytemaster has had 48 postings on the forum from May 2nd forward, averaging about 8 per day. 
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: cass on May 09, 2014, 06:19:48 am
If the Invictus team is not much present on the forum, it most likely means the are being productive, focusing on the work to be done.

exactly it is!

I must begin to think, it doesn't matter - when BM posted much ... then people asked why he isn't focused to get BTS X launched.
And now, BM is focused on exactly this ... and this isn't ok now also ... cause he doesn't post a lot here during the last days ...

Funny thing :)
But as i can see he updated about testing etc. a few times since 1st may ..

here for example...
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1890.msg57027#msg57027

pls take a closer look to & show a little more patience..we're all nosy about

c


Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: cass on May 09, 2014, 06:22:13 am
In case you haven't been following the updates on the forum and only waiting for your wallet and your shares.

From what I understand, the reasons for the delay was the discovery of the possibility of a non trivial attack. That attack was not known before the first release estimate was made. Why isn't anybody relieved that the problem was discovered before trading bitshares started? I3 had to design a new solution after the snapshot and delivery estimate was made. This new solution was now also made to help the creation of all future chains and speed up future developments.

Last week they ran the first test of the new system and ran into a number of show-stopping bugs that they are fixing right now and they expect to have those bugs fixed shortly and have the testnet back up this week. So if that test-network keeps working as expected, not only will you get your non-test-wallet up and running shortly after, but quite a few of the announced DACs will be ready to go as well.

While I see a lot of complaints about I3 and how they lack something or other, I'm not really certain all those claims are actually legitimate. Certainly not in comparison to other projects I've seen. I have not seen other teams produce 2 completely new PoS blockchain solutions in a similar timeframe, 3 blockchain solutions actually if you include the PTS-chain experiment. Also publishing a chain that is not robust or tested and that fails catastrophically seems to me to be a far worse deal than waiting a bit longer for a tested model. I'm starting to suspect people underestimate the difficulty and work required in order to design a network like this. I don't think you can expect results in the same time frame it takes to barf on your keyboard.

I'm not being a fanboy here. Well funded people working full time on just making an alternative implementation of bitcoin-core to make the network more decentralized have taken years to complete(if they ever get to that stage) and they even have an example to go by. So why would a completely new network, which seems to be quite a bit more complex than bitcoin take not at least a few months to work out?

thx for your words ... :)
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: fuzzy on May 09, 2014, 03:09:17 pm
Last update 6 hours ago, its all been in update thread 1.0

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I think the question posed my most ppl is how much longer? not in which day it will release, but maybe month? or quarter?

i dont think we expect to see updates everyday about debugs, it that to hard to tell?

programming can always be a loop. test - debug- test - debug - test - debug.

Every saturday, bytemaster provides updates regarding progress and setbacks in a dev voice hangout. It is edited and posted by legendface66.  If u wish to attend, u can ask questions and record the session for later distribution yourself...or you can listen to last weeks where he provided an update with regard to a random memory leak they need to fix.  All in all id say BM does a pretty good job of providing updates in many formats
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: Amazon on May 09, 2014, 03:48:25 pm
He had lots of update:

About DPOS odd number of delegated:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4009.msg57045#msg57045

Addressing the issues in the test:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1890.msg57027#msg57027

Critical details found in the test:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4480.msg57025#msg57025

These should provide enough info about current progress. And he is on the mumble also to answer question from everyone. If you don't have time, you can post questions in http://www.reddit.com/r/BeyondBitcoinShow/ .
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: betax on May 09, 2014, 04:37:57 pm
hmmm, seen lots updates, this is none sense. I have seen more and interesting (we are really nearly there :) ) updates than few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: unimercio on May 10, 2014, 11:21:55 am
Haven't heard of anything, any updates, and feedbacks, any common for a week.

Are the whole crew on vacation?

Just wondering

With 3 Million AGS donation, i think the team should at least have a certain level of professionalism.
:-\  Your facts are off.

Are you trying out a new alias? if so, it does not suit you or your investment.
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: omgomgomg on May 10, 2014, 05:00:53 pm
Haven't heard of anything, any updates, and feedbacks, any common for a week.

Are the whole crew on vacation?

Just wondering

With 3 Million AGS donation, i think the team should at least have a certain level of professionalism.
:-\  Your facts are off.

Are you trying out a new alias? if so, it does not suit you or your investment.

what does it has anything to do with my investment? if your smart, you should really focus ur attention on the quesion i raised rather than on my personal issues.

most ppl are really nice trying to help me solve my concerns. what u do for helping? Senior member!

i only kept my eye on update 2.0 coz i think all important updates should go straight to there.

if you have time, you can read the entire whole forum all day if you want which i have no intension doing so.

ppl have emotions, they way you did does not help
Title: Re: Are all Bitshares Team on Vacation?
Post by: Harvey on May 20, 2014, 05:17:04 am
PTS/AGS succeed to attract attentions and fund. But it also makes it difficult to please each investors. It is always a impossible mission to please everyone.

Smart persons are working hard behind the forum for this project. Delay is very common in software development. No need to worry about it.

We are probably witnessing the birth of a great product. So be patient.