Salary is necessary to attract people to join bitshares project full time, it is lots of sacrifice.
We may need a monthly statement to let shareholders know how much balance we have in AGS (BTC, PTS, dollars).
1. I agree DPOS is necessary for PTS, why can't you just hard fork PTS and keep using the PTS name instead of PTS2? Leaving both PTS and PTS2 in the market is like leaving one of your child in the wild wide and die. Just announce a client hard fork and do the mapping. PTS miner will disappear and everyone upgrade their client.
2. Giving the rest PTS to marketing??? LOL. Let's look what the marketing team has done with AGS fund (below are what I found with a quick glance of the spending spreadsheet).
- They sell PTS in market value and pay the salary to Brian, Emily (who is she), and all things.
ref: From April 1st https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtRmp4NraeAydElLdUpwSERlY3luVkZNZnoxRm5md3c&usp=sharing#gid=0
At least I know that loyal miners won't sell that quick, does the I3 has the authority to sell the BTC and PTS into $?- Giving 5.5BTC+160PTS to super3 and check out what http://invictus.io looks like now
- Spent $14000+$7000+$1478=$22478 on the website development, and we are waiting for the version 6 of the bitshares.org. Why it ends up that BM doing all the job everytime? Are you planning to have version 60 of the website? And also using the PTS doing this kind of thing?
- What kind of marketing are you doing in St. Martin Can I join the team?
ref: Line 141 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqTwk-e7yzJydG1USVlZS2U3Q1F4RTJrM19TQXFTWHc&usp=sharing#gid=0
To me, all of these spending is not clear. Look what mastercoin foundation is doing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtCyUJvk_IyNdGpVcnpBN2tOczFmbVRnck5TWjZuRFE&usp=sharing#gid=0
After 5 months marketing, BTS still remain unknown to lots of BTCers. I3 need to think of the problem instead of taking every cent from community. PTS used to be the top 5 in marketcap at the end of last year and there were no marketing. After DPOS PTS, GIVE the remaining PTS to DEVELOPERS!!! Good product is the best marketing. And we really should change the AGS spending to bounty based instead of salary based (except developers). What I see is 5 core dev working really hard day and night, with another 20 ppl sucking AGS money for doing little thing.
I have been following the project since Oct last year and was mining from day 1 on Nov. 5th. After half and year, I saw I3 is veryvery good in collecting money and all the product is PTS and a large forum. And now you want to take the other 360k PTS? Are you short of funding to travel to St. Martin?? :-[ Can anyone tell me who is using the AGS money travel to St. Martin??? Why the current AGS funding is spending on worthless website refinement and unnecessary staff but not paying to Peter Todd or Sergio to review the code and suggestion?
PTS is really slow now because the difficulty is not adjusted every block. It is design flaw, not the fault of miner. I can only see all the miners now are very loyal and should be rewarded. Other coins are talking pre-mine from genesis block, but I3 is taking it at the end. Sounds bad, but truth, isn't it?
1. I agree DPOS is necessary for PTS, why can't you just hard fork PTS and keep using the PTS name instead of PTS2? Leaving both PTS and PTS2 in the market is like leaving one of your child in the wild wide and die. Just announce a client hard fork and do the mapping. PTS miner will disappear and everyone upgrade their client.
1. I agree DPOS is necessary for PTS, why can't you just hard fork PTS and keep using the PTS name instead of PTS2? Leaving both PTS and PTS2 in the market is like leaving one of your child in the wild wide and die. Just announce a client hard fork and do the mapping. PTS miner will disappear and everyone upgrade their client.
2. Giving the rest PTS to marketing??? LOL. Let's look what the marketing team has done with AGS fund (below are what I found with a quick glance of the spending spreadsheet).
- They sell PTS in market value and pay the salary to Brian, Emily (who is she), and all things.
ref: From April 1st https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtRmp4NraeAydElLdUpwSERlY3luVkZNZnoxRm5md3c&usp=sharing#gid=0
At least I know that loyal miners won't sell that quick, does the I3 has the authority to sell the BTC and PTS into $?- Giving 5.5BTC+160PTS to super3 and check out what http://invictus.io looks like now
- Spent $14000+$7000+$1478=$22478 on the website development, and we are waiting for the version 6 of the bitshares.org. Why it ends up that BM doing all the job everytime? Are you planning to have version 60 of the website? And also using the PTS doing this kind of thing?
- What kind of marketing are you doing in St. Martin Can I join the team?
ref: Line 141 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqTwk-e7yzJydG1USVlZS2U3Q1F4RTJrM19TQXFTWHc&usp=sharing#gid=0
To me, all of these spending is not clear. Look what mastercoin foundation is doing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtCyUJvk_IyNdGpVcnpBN2tOczFmbVRnck5TWjZuRFE&usp=sharing#gid=0
After 5 months marketing, BTS still remain unknown to lots of BTCers. I3 need to think of the problem instead of taking every cent from community. PTS used to be the top 5 in marketcap at the end of last year and there were no marketing. After DPOS PTS, GIVE the remaining PTS to DEVELOPERS!!! Good product is the best marketing. And we really should change the AGS spending to bounty based instead of salary based (except developers). What I see is 5 core dev working really hard day and night, with another 20 ppl sucking AGS money for doing little thing.
I agree the PTS should be updated, my point is why not just keep using PTS instead of PTS2.
Stan, thank for reply. Could you please also tell me:
- What happened to invictus.io?
Super 3 offered it for our use and then wanted too much for it. We declined. He sold to someone else.It's no secret. I'll look into a better way to document it clearly. Remember that some employees and contractors demand more privacy and we respect that.
- Would you like to provide a list of current payroll in AGS? I know everyone can check the spreadsheet, but I think the shareholders/donators deserve to see an official list. Do you agree or not?
- Why are we still paying 100btc per month to Poland team? Is it a long term contract? If they fail to finish Keyhotee in 5 years, they can keep getting 100BTC/month?
We stopped work on Keyhotee and pulled some of the people onto BitShares XT where they have been very productive. Keyhotee will resume, when the value of our holdings recovers. Right now the responsible thing to do is to wait for all those pregnant PTS to have babies!
- Who is in charge of the website development? After spending $22k, no one step out and take the responsibility? What if it happen again?
Brian is in charge of the website. He has a tough job trying to make it meet all the purposes we demand of him. WildWex is lending his skills as well. It is an iterative process.
- What is the plan of the 360k PTS? Using it for promoting is not an answer, just like you say spending AGS for ecosystem, but we see nothing.
I have attempted to start a forum discussion on this topic. I have posted a list of some of the ideas I've heard over the past few months. My personal favorite is the viral technique used by Elon Musk - and Keyhotee is the perfect vehicle for it. That of course requires that we get some polish on Keyhotee.(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-89xTT1Ctbrk/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAABcc/Kg0vilTzpKI/s120-c/photo.jpg)
You should read his story sometime - we are now where he has been many times.
Hopefully we will handle the rough waters as well as he did.
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Have them venture their capital here 1ANGELwQwWxMmbdaSWhWLqBEtPTkWb8uDc
So sometimes BM just creates what he wants overnight and shows it to us. That's how he thinks best. We get used to it.
1. Please show us the evidence!I have been following the project since Oct last year and was mining from day 1 on Nov. 5th. After half and year, I saw I3 is veryvery good in collecting money and all the product is PTS and a large forum. And now you want to take the other 360k PTS? Are you short of funding to travel to St. Martin?? :-[ Can anyone tell me who is using the AGS money travel to St. Martin??? Why the current AGS funding is spending on worthless website refinement and unnecessary staff but not paying to Peter Todd or Sergio to review the code and suggestion?
PTS is really slow now because the difficulty is not adjusted every block. It is design flaw, not the fault of miner. I can only see all the miners now are very loyal and should be rewarded. Other coins are talking pre-mine from genesis block, but I3 is taking it at the end. Sounds bad, but truth, isn't it?
1. Our executive team has been invited to attend a meeting of venture capitalists in St Martin who indicated an interest in funding the BitShares ecosystem. They are even reimbursing many of the expenses.
2. PTS was based on BTC code. This code has the design flaw you mention. This is why we propose to upgrade to a DPOS variant.
3. Upgrading to DPOS frees up the money previously allocated for miners which will no longer be needed. This has to go somewhere, even by default. That is what we are discussing with this community.
4. We pay for as much time as Sergio is able to give us.
5. Giving away crypto-assets via various spigot mechanisms is common. We are proposing targeted give-aways for which there are hundreds of industry examples.
6. These are companies, not currencies - there is no stigma to companies figuring out their share allocations in advance and reserving some shares for future needs. The term pre-mining has no meaning in this domain.
What all is the website aiming to do that is taking time and expense ?
Invicticus can just call the DPOS PTS "PTS" and the previous PTS "PTSDEAD". Just drop the support. It is a simple concept. If someone wants to keep that fork alive then good luck with their hustle. There is no reason the new fork should not be named PTS.
If you guys want to be fair, you should go back from this point until the diff last changed and reward the guys who have been spending their electricity in what is likely a losing proposition. Not all of the coins, but these miner addresses could be given something reasonable.
Also everyone should realize this is the same technology used to snapshot BTSX. So they are basically reusing a process they've already fixed to patch up what is currently horribly broken. That helps the brand as a whole and is a clear win-win.
The only real question is what to do with this 300k pts. I'd say and reward the blocks again of those miners who have been basically throwing away money mining while keeping the PTS network alive. I don't want to see I3 or BItshares or whoever else spend ANY time fixing it at this point. They have the solution. Now everyone fight over where the money should go. I'll throw my name in the hat for possible recipient of funds.
1. Please show us the evidence!I have been following the project since Oct last year and was mining from day 1 on Nov. 5th. After half and year, I saw I3 is veryvery good in collecting money and all the product is PTS and a large forum. And now you want to take the other 360k PTS? Are you short of funding to travel to St. Martin?? :-[ Can anyone tell me who is using the AGS money travel to St. Martin??? Why the current AGS funding is spending on worthless website refinement and unnecessary staff but not paying to Peter Todd or Sergio to review the code and suggestion?
PTS is really slow now because the difficulty is not adjusted every block. It is design flaw, not the fault of miner. I can only see all the miners now are very loyal and should be rewarded. Other coins are talking pre-mine from genesis block, but I3 is taking it at the end. Sounds bad, but truth, isn't it?
1. Our executive team has been invited to attend a meeting of venture capitalists in St Martin who indicated an interest in funding the BitShares ecosystem. They are even reimbursing many of the expenses.
2. PTS was based on BTC code. This code has the design flaw you mention. This is why we propose to upgrade to a DPOS variant.
3. Upgrading to DPOS frees up the money previously allocated for miners which will no longer be needed. This has to go somewhere, even by default. That is what we are discussing with this community.
4. We pay for as much time as Sergio is able to give us.
5. Giving away crypto-assets via various spigot mechanisms is common. We are proposing targeted give-aways for which there are hundreds of industry examples.
6. These are companies, not currencies - there is no stigma to companies figuring out their share allocations in advance and reserving some shares for future needs. The term pre-mining has no meaning in this domain.
2. It is not DESIGN FLAW of Bitcoin! It's only a matter of implementation. If you guys implement PTS as dynamic difficulty adjustment (like some other altcoins did), PTS wouldn't be like this today. But you are blaming Bitcoin! WTF! DPOS hasn't been proven to work yet! Stan, you're acting like Mark Karpeles here (blaming Bitcoin for transaction malleability).
3. Of course it has to go to somewhere, but it is not for 3I to decide. According to your posts, you still think it's your own money and you're just wait until others get tired to argue with you so that you can control them.
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5. Would you mind provide one of such examples?
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7. Is it so hard for you and 3I to admit that you were doing a bad job, instead of using all the twists and turns to obfuscate the real issue here? Until you admit you are wrong, I don't think you have what it takes to make BitShares a success.
8. And, most importantly. Please reply to me regarding all the concerns I have. I am your big investors! I invest real money into 3I. As the saying goes, "People should be responsible for their own investment", but it doesn't mean that you guys can fuck me all over and there's nothing I can do about it!
1. Please show us the evidence!I have been following the project since Oct last year and was mining from day 1 on Nov. 5th. After half and year, I saw I3 is veryvery good in collecting money and all the product is PTS and a large forum. And now you want to take the other 360k PTS? Are you short of funding to travel to St. Martin?? :-[ Can anyone tell me who is using the AGS money travel to St. Martin??? Why the current AGS funding is spending on worthless website refinement and unnecessary staff but not paying to Peter Todd or Sergio to review the code and suggestion?
PTS is really slow now because the difficulty is not adjusted every block. It is design flaw, not the fault of miner. I can only see all the miners now are very loyal and should be rewarded. Other coins are talking pre-mine from genesis block, but I3 is taking it at the end. Sounds bad, but truth, isn't it?
1. Our executive team has been invited to attend a meeting of venture capitalists in St Martin who indicated an interest in funding the BitShares ecosystem. They are even reimbursing many of the expenses.
2. PTS was based on BTC code. This code has the design flaw you mention. This is why we propose to upgrade to a DPOS variant.
3. Upgrading to DPOS frees up the money previously allocated for miners which will no longer be needed. This has to go somewhere, even by default. That is what we are discussing with this community.
4. We pay for as much time as Sergio is able to give us.
5. Giving away crypto-assets via various spigot mechanisms is common. We are proposing targeted give-aways for which there are hundreds of industry examples.
6. These are companies, not currencies - there is no stigma to companies figuring out their share allocations in advance and reserving some shares for future needs. The term pre-mining has no meaning in this domain.
2. It is not DESIGN FLAW of Bitcoin! It's only a matter of implementation. If you guys implement PTS as dynamic difficulty adjustment (like some other altcoins did), PTS wouldn't be like this today. But you are blaming Bitcoin! WTF! DPOS hasn't been proven to work yet! Stan, you're acting like Mark Karpeles here (blaming Bitcoin for transaction malleability).
3. Of course it has to go to somewhere, but it is not for 3I to decide. According to your posts, you still think it's your own money and you're just wait until others get tired to argue with you so that you can control them.
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5. Would you mind provide one of such examples?
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7. Is it so hard for you and 3I to admit that you were doing a bad job, instead of using all the twists and turns to obfuscate the real issue here? Until you admit you are wrong, I don't think you have what it takes to make BitShares a success.
8. And, most importantly. Please reply to me regarding all the concerns I have. I am your big investors! I invest real money into 3I. As the saying goes, "People should be responsible for their own investment", but it doesn't mean that you guys can fuck me all over and there's nothing I can do about it!
2. It is not DESIGN FLAW of Bitcoin! It's only a matter of implementation. If you guys implement PTS as dynamic difficulty adjustment (like some other altcoins did), PTS wouldn't be like this today. But you are blaming Bitcoin! WTF! DPOS hasn't been proven to work yet! Stan, you're acting like Mark Karpeles here (blaming Bitcoin for transaction malleability).
I have read the money expenditure of MSC roughly , they only spend 947 BTC so far ,
but III have spended 1319 BTC and 33955 PTS
Just a quick note on St Martin:
I was invited there by Julian and Ryan, who we met at the Texas Bitcion Conference in Austin and spent a good deal of time with while there. They live in St. Martin and regularly hold events on the island. They're hosting an investment seminar for high net worth individuals (some are $100M+ net worth, one is $500M+) where they present investment opportunities in many different industries, and they said BitShares was one of the ideas from the crypto world they wanted to feature at this event.
Also, they are creating a video product from the event which we will get a portion of the earnings from, which likely will more than cover all costs of this trip (and go right back into the budget). So this likely will be the least expensive trip we've taken when it's all said and done. I wouldn't have accepted the invitation if I thought it wasn't worth the investment in funds. (I've turned down invitations for the team to go to China, Hong Kong, Australia, etc this year already (we get invites nearly every other week to go to some bitcoin related event accross the globe) and reduced dramatically the number of events we attend and number of team members who go, in order to reduce costs. B
Regarding DPOS exactly the point I made in the stickied thread. Everyone side stepped the question as if it was Vodoo to question Dan's intellect. If he says it works, then ITS ALIVE!!! ;)
2. It is not DESIGN FLAW of Bitcoin! It's only a matter of implementation. If you guys implement PTS as dynamic difficulty adjustment (like some other altcoins did), PTS wouldn't be like this today. But you are blaming Bitcoin! WTF! DPOS hasn't been proven to work yet! Stan, you're acting like Mark Karpeles here (blaming Bitcoin for transaction malleability).
3. Of course it has to go to somewhere, but it is not for 3I to decide. According to your posts, you still think it's your own money and you're just wait until others get tired to argue with you so that you can control them.
I was invited there by Julian and Ryan,
I have to LOL, you are invited?? Who will invite you without Dan? OK, Since you show up and had no intention to commit you are doing a lousy job and keep emphasizing you are doing good, I have to take this little more personal. I apologize in advance.We all like criticism
1. Look at the community vote https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4712.0 and you are still insisting to use those stupid huge human picture. It is so hard to find any useful information now. Good job on the 6th version of the site.Yhea.. that actually sucks as BM himself already made a nice (static-html) webpage which everyone could work on @ github. No idea what the advantages of wordpress are here.
2. This forum has been the most important marketing portal since beginning and you have only 120 posts here, are you really listening to the community voice? Why BM and toast need to spend so much time here educating people and you are nowhere.That might me unfair. I am no marketing guy but why waste time educating people that are already around in this forum. More important is to educate people that are not! However, I'd really like to see like a 'weekly update' of the mktdirector.
3. Do you even have a bitcointalk account? Have you post anything there introducing/defending bitshares? What I see is you have to pay others to answer the question in BTT and reddit.BTT is full of shit posts .. Personaly I find it more and more difficult to extract 'usefull(tm)' information from there. Anyway you made a point. I am not sure how much time mktdirector should spend vs. is spending on markting, but BTT probabliy is still a big piece in the picture.
4. You are paying a third party to run the facebook and twitter account. Have a look how many followers there. And how unprofessional they are answering the questions. Isn't it your key job to have a good social media communication?Google+ also looks bad. :-(
5. Can you present in any conference if Dan is busy? After being as BIG DIRECTOR for 6 months, I don't think you are capable to do that.I do hope he does not have some real business in hand he kept for secret to get cheap AGS :-( I can remember BM saying sth about a cooperation with maidsafe. Nothing more.
6. How busy are you to need an assistant???@mkdirector: Have you forgotten about the newsletter, You could at least tell us you opinion about our efforts to create a community version of the newsletter as the last newsletter is several months old!!
Having about 20k AGS myself, I really want to cry when looking at those smiling pics on bitshares.org. Dare you put up a poll to let community determine your salary? Answer the questions or I will keep asking everyday.Wow .. thats a stake :-) congrats
This marketing situation is becoming a big deal. When I see this many people talking about it, it is time for the voices to be heard.
I hope those voices will speak to ways can focus on solutions as much as on blame and fault, however. Just my two pennies...
Here's your chance to get your 9th post. - GoOutsch :-)
@mkdirector: Have you forgotten about the newsletter, You could at least tell us you opinion about our efforts to create a community version of the newsletter as the last newsletter is several months old!!
1) If you have 20K of AGS why have you only been a forum member for one week with a total of 8 posts on this forum? I would think someone with such a large investment would be involved much earlier than a week and have more than 8 posts. (Unless you donated 20k worth all within the last week - which is clearly not the case). You seem to be aware of the earlier websites, invictus.io, past progress, etc, - so you're certainly not new to BitShares/Invictus.
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2) What is your real name? Who are you? Why should I say "how hi?" when you say jump? Mine name is Brian Page. Everyone knows my real name, my salary, what I look like, there isn't much privacy when you have a job like this, so how about you tell us who you are? You're of course not required to do so to speak on this forum, but you are if you want me to answer your questions.
3) And finally, I suggest anyone who'd like to speak to me (including DonJoe) feel free to send me a PM and we'll set up a skype call, or join us on our next marketing conference call. Or, if you like, feel free to come visit me and the team when I'm in VA. My "door" is always open and I'm happy to discuss anything. In fact, if Xeroc or Fuznuts would like to jump on a call, I'd also enjoy speaking with you two or anyone else, anytime. I don't hide behind the forum name MktDirector.
Yes, the community has a right to ask questions (which I do answer in detail - as I did the last set of questions you're referred to in your post) - but I suspect there's something else going on here. If you'd provide some clarity to my questions, I'd be happy to answer yours.
If you (DonJoe) made clear that the reasons for your questions are the success of invictus and would have left out any personal attacks and the violent undertone I think the whole post would have been way more effective. Groups can only work one way, which is together and never against each other. Constructive critique which can be the harder the more friendly it is expressed is essential. Critique for the purpose of anger management is not good for anyone.
Brian,
Other parts of the Angelshares funded ecosystem have daily updates (Bitshares and Keyhotee), maybe doing the same detailing your efforts would help keep the community informed of your value to the project and also be a great reason to document this important time in DAC history :)
What did you spend your time doing today? What value are you providing to AGS investors?
I think it's a mistake to attack criticism, if you're working hard there can be no complaints, help your critics see the truth.
Brian,
Other parts of the Angelshares funded ecosystem have daily updates (Bitshares and Keyhotee), maybe doing the same detailing your efforts would help keep the community informed of your value to the project and also be a great reason to document this important time in DAC history :)
What did you spend your time doing today? What value are you providing to AGS investors?
I think it's a mistake to attack criticism, if you're working hard there can be no complaints, help your critics see the truth.
Brian,
Other parts of the Angelshares funded ecosystem have daily updates (Bitshares and Keyhotee), maybe doing the same detailing your efforts would help keep the community informed of your value to the project and also be a great reason to document this important time in DAC history :)
What did you spend your time doing today? What value are you providing to AGS investors?
I think it's a mistake to attack criticism, if you're working hard there can be no complaints, help your critics see the truth.
1) If you have 20K of AGS why have you only been a forum member for one week with a total of 8 posts on this forum? I would think someone with such a large investment would be involved much earlier than a week and have more than 8 posts. (Unless you donated 20k worth all within the last week - which is clearly not the case). You seem to be aware of the earlier websites, invictus.io, past progress, etc, - so you're certainly not new to BitShares/Invictus.
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Haha, this is exactly what I am waiting for. You took half length of your reply to prove I am a sockpuppet, no wonder why our website and social media suck. What is wrong with using another handle?? BM has second ID, and what if I am Dan (just kidding). I am a senior member of the forum and continuing making my contribution. I support this project but disagree with what is going on with the marketing.Quote2) What is your real name? Who are you? Why should I say "how hi?" when you say jump? Mine name is Brian Page. Everyone knows my real name, my salary, what I look like, there isn't much privacy when you have a job like this, so how about you tell us who you are? You're of course not required to do so to speak on this forum, but you are if you want me to answer your questions.
Ha, why should I reveal myself. I am not taking 1 cent from AGS fund, but you do. Now you complaining about it? Nobody cares where you live, what you look like (although you are getting fatter and fatter since joining I3, nice salary hah?). We only care whether you are doing good. Obviously not. We all made mistakes, but the most concerning part is you refuse to admit it.Quote3) And finally, I suggest anyone who'd like to speak to me (including DonJoe) feel free to send me a PM and we'll set up a skype call, or join us on our next marketing conference call. Or, if you like, feel free to come visit me and the team when I'm in VA. My "door" is always open and I'm happy to discuss anything. In fact, if Xeroc or Fuznuts would like to jump on a call, I'd also enjoy speaking with you two or anyone else, anytime. I don't hide behind the forum name MktDirector.
I am not interested in a personal fight or a joint call with you. I think I should let you know that not only Xeroc and Fuznuts having questions, I received several PMs complaining about you or giving me advice to contact you. They will all look at your response and how you treat your shareholders.QuoteYes, the community has a right to ask questions (which I do answer in detail - as I did the last set of questions you're referred to in your post) - but I suspect there's something else going on here. If you'd provide some clarity to my questions, I'd be happy to answer yours.
The only answer I got from you is YOU ARE INVITED TO ST MARTIN! Nothing else. Stan is answering the question, not you. And there are still several questions unanswered. You have your right not answering them, I have my right to ask. All the I3 team is working great except you. I am going to give my 10th post as a poll to fire you. I think this is the second time the community want to fire you. Why it never happen to anyone else? I don't think you are able to figure it out. Because I think you have never done any internet marketing job before, how did BM chose you?!
Stay cool, see you in next post.
Great, Eddie got it right! Keep it simple! :)
40:35 and about a month ahead: cob "...the Bitshares Music Blockchain which Daniel Larimer is going to create..." I don't think this will / should be the case. Legal implications...
Great team!! Congrats!