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Title: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on August 11, 2014, 02:23:19 am
Apparently he is starting his own firm.

I am not sure if this is good, bad or both.

With the upcoming release of the exchange, the hyped St. Martin trip, infomercial talk (garbage), and the Overstock rumblings, I can't help but wonder "why now"?
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: merockstar on August 11, 2014, 02:35:34 am
curious indeed.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: sfinder on August 11, 2014, 02:48:13 am
Apparently he is starting his own firm.

I am not sure if this is good, bad or both.

With the upcoming release of the exchange, the hyped St. Martin trip, infomercial talk (garbage), and the Overstock rumblings, I can't help but wonder "why now"?

Let bullets flying........

do not draw any conclusion .....
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Empirical1 on August 11, 2014, 03:23:26 am
Maybe this is just me over-analysing, but tbh I did find it strange that in the St Martin video, whereas Stan is in a BitShares T-shirt and is all about 'We' and 'BitShares' as you'd expect, that Brian, 'The Marketing Director for BitShares' wasn't wearing a BitShares branded T-Shirt and was talking in terms of himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNY

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'I know that out of this event all kinds of opportunities are going to be opened up to me that I wouldn't have otherwise had' 

Must have been some good opportunities...
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: luckybit on August 11, 2014, 03:30:18 am
Apparently he is starting his own firm.

I am not sure if this is good, bad or both.

With the upcoming release of the exchange, the hyped St. Martin trip, infomercial talk (garbage), and the Overstock rumblings, I can't help but wonder "why now"?

Is this confirmed? If it is then that is not good. Do we even have a measurement of his success as marketing director? The infomercials aren't here yet, there is no marketing campaign that I can see.
Maybe this is just me over-analysing, but tbh I did find it strange that in the St Martin video, whereas Stan is in a BitShares T-shirt and is all about 'We' and 'BitShares' as you'd expect, that Brian, 'The Marketing Director for BitShares' wasn't wearing a BitShares branded T-Shirt and was talking in terms of himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNY

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'I know that out of this event all kinds of opportunities are going to be opened up to me that I wouldn't have otherwise had' 

Must have been some good opportunities...

Very interesting observation. I never noticed that before.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Stan on August 11, 2014, 03:44:10 am
Apparently he is starting his own firm.

I am not sure if this is good, bad or both.

With the upcoming release of the exchange, the hyped St. Martin trip, infomercial talk (garbage), and the Overstock rumblings, I can't help but wonder "why now"?

Is this confirmed? If it is then that is not good. Do we even have a measurement of his success as marketing director? The infomercials aren't here yet, there is no marketing campaign that I can see.
Maybe this is just me over-analysing, but tbh I did find it strange that in the St Martin video, whereas Stan is in a BitShares T-shirt and is all about 'We' and 'BitShares' as you'd expect, that Brian, 'The Marketing Director for BitShares' wasn't wearing a BitShares branded T-Shirt and was talking in terms of himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNY

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'I know that out of this event all kinds of opportunities are going to be opened up to me that I wouldn't have otherwise had' 

Must have been some good opportunities...

Very interesting observation. I never noticed that before.

You guys worry too much.

Brian's new opportunity is to go make everything happen we've been talking about since St. Martin.  We are delighted to have Brian launch his new company as we have been and will be when other Invictus spin-offs are announced.  This has long been our publicly stated decentralization plan.  We are building an industry of independent partners.

http://bitshares.org/community/partners/ (http://bitshares.org/community/partners/)

His company's modest first strategic objective is to double the market cap of BTSX a half-dozen times or so.  I'm betting they will.

 :)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: ripplexiaoshan on August 11, 2014, 04:07:18 am
Apparently he is starting his own firm.

I am not sure if this is good, bad or both.

With the upcoming release of the exchange, the hyped St. Martin trip, infomercial talk (garbage), and the Overstock rumblings, I can't help but wonder "why now"?

Is this confirmed? If it is then that is not good. Do we even have a measurement of his success as marketing director? The infomercials aren't here yet, there is no marketing campaign that I can see.
Maybe this is just me over-analysing, but tbh I did find it strange that in the St Martin video, whereas Stan is in a BitShares T-shirt and is all about 'We' and 'BitShares' as you'd expect, that Brian, 'The Marketing Director for BitShares' wasn't wearing a BitShares branded T-Shirt and was talking in terms of himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keTREVYlKNY

Quote
'I know that out of this event all kinds of opportunities are going to be opened up to me that I wouldn't have otherwise had' 

Must have been some good opportunities...

Very interesting observation. I never noticed that before.

You guys worry too much.

Brian's new opportunity is to go make everything happen we've been talking about since St. Martin.  We are delighted to have Brian launch his new company as we have been and will be when other Invictus spin-offs are announced.  This has long been our publicly stated decentralization plan.  We are building an industry of independent partners.

http://bitshares.org/community/partners/ (http://bitshares.org/community/partners/)

His company's modest first strategic objective is to double the market cap of BTSX a half-dozen times or so.  I'm betting they will.

 :)


Very good to know this.  +5% +5%
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: charleshoskinson on August 11, 2014, 04:43:20 am
You guys should seriously consider moving in a different direction with your marketing. This is a golden opportunity to have that conversation. Why don't you involve the community you currently have and come up with a stronger marketing plan.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: oco101 on August 11, 2014, 04:48:26 am
As someone who's been an entrepreneur and self employed nearly all of my professional life, I've always been drawn to starting businesses.   As of today, I'll once again be self employed, as I am launching a new marketing company.   I'll continue on as brand champion for BitShares and will still be very involved with the BitShares team, but will no longer draw a salary.  I believe there will soon be a real need to market and promote new DACs and I want to focus my efforts on doing just that.   

One of our core values at BitShares has always been about decentralization.  In the next six months I expect the pace of decentralization to increase, even among BitShares as an organization.  We will have several businesses spring out of our core team, this one being just one of them.  I have put together an incredible team of my own and our primary focus in the next couple months will be in improving and promoting BitSharesX, as well as strategic marketing for several upcoming DACs.   

Expect in the near future to see a link for my company on the partners page and feel free to reach out if you're a project lead on a DAC and you'd like to discuss how we can help you with your marketing needs.   Thanks BitShares forum, and here's to even greater days ahead for BitShares! 

Bigger Than Bitcoin,
Brian

Do you have a marketing plan to show us or something we can use to measure progress behind your efforts?

So far Bitshares X isn't even showing signs of growth so a lot of us are skeptical right now. When will we see positive results and what do you plan to do?

He was not answering those kind of question when he was a full time I3 employee so don't expect too much now
Don't know what to say .... he was very good explaining bitshares in general one of the best, we have to give him that!!!
Bitshare-x is out and the others DAC's are around the corner..... so I was thinking finally now he can deliver marketing wise. he has a real product in his hands etc....but obviously I was wrong he chose to move on.
Well, finally probably it is a good thing !!! Brian was doing alright overall but  "alright" is not good enough...you need to be passionate in this kind of business like many are here, even though they are not payed....
My personal take , Brian had a different market strategy that was not necessary I3 or the forum strategy,  so I hope now, he could deliver on he's own. He knows and understands the business like nobody else so marketing DAC the way he want too  probably it is a good think, for I3, for him and for the shareholders... so good luck Brian !!!
Alright now Brian is out!!! I3 marketing it is not the stronger side(anyway looking at the general forum opinion..) , so if there is a time to  change it is probably now, I suggest to look at the community AND let put some more marketing money it to this because this is really important ??
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Pairmike on August 11, 2014, 04:50:21 am
Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan.  When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch.  Do you guys agree?  Let me know your thoughts. 
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Pocket Sand on August 11, 2014, 04:53:26 am
You guys should seriously consider moving in a different direction with your marketing. This is a golden opportunity to have that conversation. Why don't you involve the community you currently have and come up with a stronger marketing plan.
+5%
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: oco101 on August 11, 2014, 04:54:25 am
His company's modest first strategic objective is to double the market cap of BTSX a half-dozen times or so.  I'm betting they will.

 :)
+1
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: onceuponatime on August 11, 2014, 05:02:59 am
His company's modest first strategic objective is to double the market cap of BTSX a half-dozen times or so.  I'm betting they will.

 :)
+1

Yes, but how does his new company earn profits? How does it acquire funds to pay its expenses? From whence its cash flow? I'm just trying to understand the business model.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Shentist on August 11, 2014, 05:19:42 am
You guys should seriously consider moving in a different direction with your marketing. This is a golden opportunity to have that conversation. Why don't you involve the community you currently have and come up with a stronger marketing plan.

 +5%

if i would leave my company everything i done i has to give to my replacement. i hope we will see something. i was not a big fan of brian, because everything was done in secret no updates at all to the community. this working behavior is not the best for a community driven product. i hope I3 will choose better and in all parts I3 will open up more.

Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Empirical1 on August 11, 2014, 06:13:41 am
Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan.  When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch.  Do you guys agree?  Let me know your thoughts.

Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...

This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -

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The Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment). 

That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Riverhead on August 11, 2014, 06:32:59 am
People come and go from companies all the time as different opportunities avail themselves. It's very easy to get all crazy with speculation but mostly that does more harm than good.

Best of luck Brian. The future is quite bright for all of us.

Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Pairmike on August 11, 2014, 07:42:55 am
Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan.  When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch.  Do you guys agree?  Let me know your thoughts.

Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...

This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -

Quote
The Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment). 

That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.

The Stellar share drop via Facebook was a great way to market.  The clean interface and straight forward signup process gave ordinary people the opportunity to obtain the new currency.  As a result, many people outside of the crypto community now has Stellar.  I don't think we can say the same for Bitshares.  See the Stellar statshttps://www.stellar.org/stats/.  I just hope we can borrow some aspects from this project and leverage them to our benefit.

I just want BitShares to succeed and adoption is critical to accomplish this end.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: liondani on August 11, 2014, 08:43:36 am
You guys should seriously consider moving in a different direction with your marketing. This is a golden opportunity to have that conversation. Why don't you involve the community you currently have and come up with a stronger marketing plan.
Are you available?  :P
...and still passionated? 
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: cass on August 11, 2014, 09:31:23 am
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!

I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor.  (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!

my 2 BTSX


He is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: xeroc on August 11, 2014, 09:33:12 am
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!

I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor.  (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!
Much sense, very move, So +5%
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Riverhead on August 11, 2014, 10:05:52 am
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!

I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor.  (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!

my 2 BTSX


He is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.


Well said.  +5%
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Empirical1 on August 11, 2014, 12:03:45 pm
Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan.  When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch.  Do you guys agree?  Let me know your thoughts.

Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...

This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -

Quote
The Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment). 

That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.

The Stellar share drop via Facebook was a great way to market.  The clean interface and straight forward signup process gave ordinary people the opportunity to obtain the new currency.  As a result, many people outside of the crypto community now has Stellar.  I don't think we can say the same for Bitshares.  See the Stellar statshttps://www.stellar.org/stats/.  I just hope we can borrow some aspects from this project and leverage them to our benefit.

I just want BitShares to succeed and adoption is critical to accomplish this end.

Like AuroraCoin bootstrapped Iceland? At least they had a target market...

Thanks for bringing it to my attention though, I will be interested to see how it plays out in the next two months purely from a PR & marketing view.


(Though I actually think a little sharedrop 1-4%, could be positive if handled right.)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: alt on August 11, 2014, 03:51:15 pm
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!

I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor.  (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!

my 2 BTSX


He is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.
make sense, brian +5%

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Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: yellowecho on August 11, 2014, 03:53:56 pm
This is exciting!!   +5%
For those worriers out there, this new firm will enable Brian to focus on marketing individual DACs which will not only help grow the industry but will also significantly broaden the Bitshares user base as a whole.  Think about it-- this new firm will be building and marketing brands for new DACs such as BitTunes, VOTEDAC, and Bitshares Toast to bring them to the masses!  This news is bullish as hell.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on August 11, 2014, 06:12:22 pm
Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!

I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor.  (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!

my 2 BTSX


He is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.

please correct me if Im wrong, wasn't the whole point of I3's existence and the AGS fund to "bootstrap" the DAC sector?

No offense, but the Marketing Director hasn't done much in terms of marketing and now that he is stepping down at a critical time like this, just seems odd and suspect. I am pretty sure people called for his resignation and he refused only to leave during critical times?




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Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: xeroc on August 11, 2014, 06:15:17 pm
he is NOT stepping down.. just not taking sallery from i3 :)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on August 11, 2014, 06:40:54 pm
he is NOT stepping down.. just not taking sallery from i3 :)

Ok. Great. Maybe now that he isn't getting paid, marketing productivity will increase. /s
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Shentist on August 11, 2014, 06:57:18 pm
he is NOT stepping down.. just not taking sallery from i3 :)

Ok. Great. Maybe now that he isn't getting paid, marketing productivity will increase. /s

it is not correct . do you really believe he will not be get paid on a contract base from I3?

Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!

I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor.  (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!

my 2 BTSX


He is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.

please correct me if Im wrong, wasn't the whole point of I3's existence and the AGS fund to "bootstrap" the DAC sector?

No offense, but the Marketing Director hasn't done much in terms of marketing and now that he is stepping down at a critical time like this, just seems odd and suspect. I am pretty sure people called for his resignation and he refused only to leave during critical times?



you nailed it! sry to say it again. the problem here is not Brian stepping down, but how the whole job is done. this is a community driven project.

i want to see the contact lists he made for us with "our" money? as his employer (ok, it is really over the top  ;) ) i want to have his contact datas, what was he working etc. it is not only Brians "problem" . I3 is in this point not open enough. Only to tell "something big is comming" is not enough. success comes with hard work and i see hard work on the coding side of bitshares, but without some data from parts like marketing it is only just hot air! maybe i am not big enough to get heard, or my english is as bad as i assume .
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: soniq on August 11, 2014, 07:28:04 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/RrRSOyf.png)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on August 11, 2014, 07:29:33 pm
he is NOT stepping down.. just not taking sallery from i3 :)

Ok. Great. Maybe now that he isn't getting paid, marketing productivity will increase. /s

it is not correct . do you really believe he will not be get paid on a contract base from I3?

Come on dudes -- what's up here? .. Brian isn't out of BitShares! He's optimizing workflow to help on more stages IMO!

I've noticed same a few weeks before... When working for III as an employee then it isn't possible to help other DACs devs on startup their companies.
So i've decided to work as a Contractor.  (max flexibility). Guessing Brian noticed same issues and also wants to help on more hot spots!

my 2 BTSX


He is moving from employee to independent entrepreneur with the same task but powerful new incentives and capabilities.

please correct me if Im wrong, wasn't the whole point of I3's existence and the AGS fund to "bootstrap" the DAC sector?

No offense, but the Marketing Director hasn't done much in terms of marketing and now that he is stepping down at a critical time like this, just seems odd and suspect. I am pretty sure people called for his resignation and he refused only to leave during critical times?



you nailed it! sry to say it again. the problem here is not Brian stepping down, but how the whole job is done. this is a community driven project.

i want to see the contact lists he made for us with "our" money? as his employer (ok, it is really over the top  ;) ) i want to have his contact datas, what was he working etc. it is not only Brians "problem" . I3 is in this point not open enough. Only to tell "something big is comming" is not enough. success comes with hard work and i see hard work on the coding side of bitshares, but without some data from parts like marketing it is only just hot air! maybe i am not big enough to get heard, or my english is as bad as i assume .


Yes, I am with you.

Beyond being the "press secretary", hiring an invisible social media person, and acting video coordinator, I too would like a list of achievements or productions by the marketing team. Sorry, pitching BTC heavyweights to buy BTSX doesn't count as marketing. That's sales.

After all it is community funds that are giving him the opportunity to produce something. So far that something is lacking in effect, publicity, and is shrouded in secrecy. "something big is coming" doesn't mean anything when transparency was supposed to be required and maintained.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: cass on August 11, 2014, 07:29:54 pm
stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: wesphily on August 11, 2014, 07:44:09 pm
The problem here is the marketing style. Everybody is used to seeing grass roots marketing because that has traditionally been the only way that people hear about something in regards to crypto currency. Brian has identified this as an "alternative" method of marketing and is not focusing on this. There is nothing to measure besides the small things you can see because the things he is working on takes time.

What does this mean? A group of people need to pull together to do the traditional grass roots marketing found on EVERY coin forum. Otherwise, we will just have to wait for the items that Brian is working on which may be a while.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: bitmeat on August 11, 2014, 07:45:13 pm

stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...

What is the incentive to help for free if others are getting paid for doing nothing? (Abstracts question, I'm not pointing fingers at Brian, I don't know that much about marketing)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: charleshoskinson on August 11, 2014, 07:48:32 pm
Quote
stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign..

The challenge I face when trying to understand modern Bitshares revolves mostly around the brand. There is a cryptoequity concept that is quite evolved and well thought out. There is a DAC toolkit notion (sorry this isn't the same as generalized smart contracts unless you are arguing that ASICs are the same as CPUs). There is a company called Invictus that seems to be rapidly changing. There are all these test DACs entering market. There is Keyhotee. There is a pool of capital called AGS.

I don't see much clarity in the symphony of products, ideas and efforts. Someone needs to scale the vision down and choose something that is easy to explain, brand and release on a systematic schedule. I understand the desire for concurrency; however, to use a programming analogue, don't try to implement a multithreaded application until you actually have the single threaded version working. There is too little mental bandwidth, consumer attention and resources for such a broad vision. Pick something, ship it well and grow from it. 
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Riverhead on August 11, 2014, 07:49:58 pm
stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing campaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...
+5%  Important to remember this is not a private forum for the BitShares support community.

Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on August 11, 2014, 07:50:11 pm
stop complaining -- and start helping ....

I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.

Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served.  I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.

While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.

This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.

I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.

We don't have access to those funds.

I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.

Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.


Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Riverhead on August 11, 2014, 07:52:20 pm

stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...

What is the incentive to help for free if others are getting paid for doing nothing? (Abstracts question, I'm not pointing fingers at Brian, I don't know that much about marketing)

I have a fairly large chunk of change (by my modest wealth standards) in PTS and BTSX. Well I am not getting paid directly I have a vested interest in doing what I can to help it succeed. I realize this may not be true for everyone but for me it will be very good if this horse wins :) .
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on August 11, 2014, 07:55:37 pm

stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...

What is the incentive to help for free if others are getting paid for doing nothing? (Abstracts question, I'm not pointing fingers at Brian, I don't know that much about marketing)

Exactly!

The community helped by giving their money away to I3! Don't forget that!
If you wanted the community to do the legwork, you shouldn't have asked for their money.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: bitmeat on August 11, 2014, 07:57:45 pm
Some people could have really helped if they had access to the funds. Instead Invictus does "as they see fit". I would've preferred voting type of spending. Similar to memory coin. Except MMC didn't really have much of a premise beyond the voting. I agree the community should have been able to fire anyone they are not happy with. Or at least be able to give other a chance to compete for the funds fairly.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: toast on August 11, 2014, 08:01:28 pm
We don't have access to those funds.

I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.

Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.

Come up with a short plan of action and I will help get access to those funds.

The entire content creation effort was funded by AGS, for example. In the last few weeks a few forum members began receiving AGS money for this.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: tonyk on August 11, 2014, 08:04:04 pm
stop complaining -- and start helping ....

I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.

Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served. I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.

While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.

This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.

I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.

We don't have access to those funds.

I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.

Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.

If you really can achieve just one of those things (other than the ads) call them directly and they will find a way to pay you.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: cass on August 11, 2014, 08:15:42 pm
I'm started to work for III and BitShares since one year ago! Since 3 month i get paid for the continuous work i'm doing! If you share the vision behind ... then it's no problem to get in and help the system crowing... you can be sure .. your efforts will be noticed & honored if they are valuable. But just talking what you could if ... ... I'm tired of this ... leaving this discussion now... my mistake ... better to make no politics ...

Quote
I don't see much clarity in the symphony of products, ideas and efforts. Someone needs to scale the vision down and choose something that is easy to explain, brand and release on a systematic schedule. I understand the desire for concurrency; however, to use a programming analogue, don't try to implement a multithreaded application until you actually have the single threaded version working. There is too little mental bandwidth, consumer attention and resources for such a broad vision. Pick something, ship it well and grow from it. 

@Charles: Thx for your input! Well said ...
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Gentso1 on August 11, 2014, 08:34:28 pm
Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan.  When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch.  Do you guys agree?  Let me know your thoughts.

Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...

This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -

Quote
The Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment). 

That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.

The Stellar share drop via Facebook was a great way to market.  The clean interface and straight forward signup process gave ordinary people the opportunity to obtain the new currency.  As a result, many people outside of the crypto community now has Stellar.  I don't think we can say the same for Bitshares.  See the Stellar statshttps://www.stellar.org/stats/.  I just hope we can borrow some aspects from this project and leverage them to our benefit.

I just want BitShares to succeed and adoption is critical to accomplish this end.
I think share drops via facebook are great and so are faucets but we need to find cost effective ways to get people excited about WE are doing. Does anyone feel like there is a buzz around Nxt,XMR,Ether, heck even the Stellar thread on bitcointalk is 45 pages. While we post (hit about 5 pages )about exciting things and no one seems to care but us........

I don't think the issue is with our technology it's with the fact that
a.pts/ags make it simple
b.forum is a mess (we all know it), even if we get them to come they can't find any information quickly
c.Marketing???  ::)
d.Image   
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Gentso1 on August 11, 2014, 08:37:00 pm
stop complaining -- and start helping ....

I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.

Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served.  I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.

While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.

This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.

I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.

We don't have access to those funds.

I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.

Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.

Ding Ding ding we have a winner
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Shentist on August 11, 2014, 08:48:01 pm
Charles, Dan, and Stan should work together along with Brian to devise a effective marketing plan.  When I look at Stellar's launch a week ago, I believe Bitshares could learn from its launch.  Do you guys agree?  Let me know your thoughts.

Hadn't heard of Stellar. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself. Huge Sharedrops, which so far have only crashed coins, and often seem to be a mechanism to reward devs while trying to appear fair, such as NEM, even sceptical of some others...

This is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while -

Quote
The Foundation received a loan of $3,000,000 from Stripe which was subsequently repaid with 2% of the stellars. The Foundation is allowed to use up to 5% of the initial stellars to fund operations (including the loan repayment). 

That would mean Stripe needs Stellar to be worth $150 000 000 just to break even? Like hell they made that initial investment on those terms imo.

The Stellar share drop via Facebook was a great way to market.  The clean interface and straight forward signup process gave ordinary people the opportunity to obtain the new currency.  As a result, many people outside of the crypto community now has Stellar.  I don't think we can say the same for Bitshares.  See the Stellar statshttps://www.stellar.org/stats/.  I just hope we can borrow some aspects from this project and leverage them to our benefit.

I just want BitShares to succeed and adoption is critical to accomplish this end.
I think share drops via facebook are great and so are faucets but we need to find cost effective ways to get people excited about WE are doing. Does anyone feel like there is a buzz around Nxt,XMR,Ether, heck even the Stellar thread on bitcointalk is 45 pages. While we post (hit about 5 pages )about exciting things and no one seems to care but us........

I don't think the issue is with our technology it's with the fact that
a.pts/ags make it simple
b.forum is a mess (we all know it), even if we get them to come they can't find any information quickly
c.Marketing???  ::)
d.Image   

i don't see people here only complaining. here are a lot who are willing to help.

my points:
1. someone has to get control to the forum who has time and is willing to put some links and threads together - costs nothing. But it seems no one at I3 is willing to set someone in charge.
2. Marketing - i hope everything is fine in the future, but what i can't see and touch i don't trust. i am not against this way, but i don't understand why ignore the brick and mortar way of building something.

@cass
i don't complain i ask, but no one is willing to give a fact answer. only say everything is good and something big is coming is not my style. i started @bitshareshub at twitter by the way, because i think it is a easy way for me to contribute in the future to change the focus of maybe 1,2,3 people and they will talk about bitshares as well and so on.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Empirical1 on August 11, 2014, 09:15:55 pm
On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0

Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.

Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5,  Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.

That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.


 
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Gentso1 on August 11, 2014, 09:29:02 pm
On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0

Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.

Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5,  Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.

That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.

This is very true. It's not all bad the ideas and technology seems to be moving at a rapid pace now(great work).


Good Luck Brian,
Hello Charles......... 
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Stan on August 11, 2014, 10:30:50 pm
On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0

Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.

Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5,  Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.

That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.

  1x to 7th Place
  2x to 4th Place
  4x to 3rd Place
10x to 2nd Place

Then people start rebalancing their assets from checking (Bitcoin) to savings (BitShares).

I keep a few percent of my assets in checking.

 8).
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: willaim on August 11, 2014, 11:15:42 pm
hi stan, you are really a excellent "Propaganda Minister"; but I am not easily led to another wrong direction.
the first target of all company should be profit. the same to the new company fo Mr.Bxxx. I guess something changed and you may not tell us everything because of business reason.

OK. could you share more information about the progress and chance for BTSx to co-operate with Overstock?
by the way, why not you to be the next "Propaganda Minister" or marketing dept head? this is not joke.

On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0

Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.

Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5,  Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.

That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.

  1x to 7th Place
  2x to 4th Place
  4x to 3rd Place
10x to 2nd Place

Then people start rebalancing their assets from checking (Bitcoin) to savings (BitShares).

I keep a few percent of my assets in checking.

 8).
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Stan on August 11, 2014, 11:44:58 pm
hi stan, you are really a excellent "Propaganda Minister"; but I am not easily led to another wrong direction.
the first target of all company should be profit. the same to the new company fo Mr.Bxxx. I guess something changed and you may not tell us everything because of business reason.

OK. could you share more information about the progress and chance for BTSx to co-operate with Overstock?
by the way, why not you to be the next "Propaganda Minister" or marketing dept head? this is not joke.


On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0

Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.

Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5,  Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.

That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.

  1x to 7th Place
  2x to 4th Place
  4x to 3rd Place
10x to 2nd Place

Then people start rebalancing their assets from checking (Bitcoin) to savings (BitShares).

I keep a few percent of my assets in checking.

 8).

Everything mentioned here is 100% the way we see it:

Dan laid out our powerful case for Overstock here for everyone including our competitors to read : 

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6818.msg90388#msg90388   

"Can't touch this"
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/tumblr_mi2utg3sgw1s559c9o1_500.gif)

Brian has the assignment to get BTSX into second place ASAP and his team has the incentives and capabilities to do so.  Independently, so does our China team.

We will get to 10x because of the attention we get from reaching 4x
We will get to 4x because of the attention we get from reaching 2x
We will get to 2x because we are in 7th place with almost no marketing
...by bumping Doge who got there with nothing but marketing. 

So, starting from zero, how much marketing should it take to double the number of people who want to own BTSX? 

The planned China and St Martin marketing efforts just have to get the ball rolling.
(And either one of them is able to easily reach 10x more people all by themselves.)

I'd like to say and talk, but there are at least another 1.21 gigaBTSX that are not yet in strong enough hands...

  :)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: onceuponatime on August 12, 2014, 01:13:20 am
hi stan, you are really a excellent "Propaganda Minister"; but I am not easily led to another wrong direction.
the first target of all company should be profit. the same to the new company fo Mr.Bxxx. I guess something changed and you may not tell us everything because of business reason.

OK. could you share more information about the progress and chance for BTSx to co-operate with Overstock?
by the way, why not you to be the next "Propaganda Minister" or marketing dept head? this is not joke.


On the glass half full side, things are improving, getting us listed on more exchanges is a positive step in the right direction https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6868.0

Our first DAC, BitShares X is no 7 of all crypto-currencies and it was released less than a month ago and still doesn't even have full functionality.

Except for Darkcoin, we're talking about only being behind what I think of as the big 5,  Bitcoin, LiteCoin, Ripple, NXT and PeerCoin & all the spots up to no.3 can be taken VERY quickly.

That is a pretty good place to be at this stage.

  1x to 7th Place
  2x to 4th Place
  4x to 3rd Place
10x to 2nd Place

Then people start rebalancing their assets from checking (Bitcoin) to savings (BitShares).

I keep a few percent of my assets in checking.

 8).

Everything mentioned here is 100% the way we see it:

Dan laid out our powerful case for Overstock here for everyone including our competitors to read : 

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6818.msg90388#msg90388   

"Can't touch this"
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/tumblr_mi2utg3sgw1s559c9o1_500.gif)

Brian has the assignment to get BTSX into second place ASAP and his team has the incentives and capabilities to do so.  Independently, so does our China team.

We will get to 10x because of the attention we get from reaching 4x
We will get to 4x because of the attention we get from reaching 2x
We will get to 2x because we are in 7th place with almost no marketing
...by bumping Doge who got there with nothing but marketing. 

So, starting from zero, how much marketing should it take to double the number of people who want to own BTSX? 

The planned China and St Martin marketing efforts just have to get the ball rolling.
(And either one of them is able to easily reach 10x more people all by themselves.)

I'd like to say and talk, but there are at least another 1.21 gigaBTSX that are not yet in strong enough hands...

  :)

As I hope you know, I have been "all in" with bitshares since the first white paper.
And as long time followers of this forum know, I an not technical, I am of retirement age and did not grow up in a computer environemnt, but I contribute in any way I can. I'll bet I have brought more non-techie people to download bitshares wallets then any other member of this forum. So I think my (unanswered) question is reasonable:


Quote from: oco101 on August 11, 2014, 04:54:25 AM
Quote from: Stan on August 11, 2014, 03:44:10 AM
His company's modest first strategic objective is to double the market cap of BTSX a half-dozen times or so.  I'm betting they will.

 :)
+1

Yes, but how does his new company earn profits? How does it acquire funds to pay its expenses? From whence its cash flow? I'm just trying to understand the business model.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on August 12, 2014, 01:42:24 am
Instead of throwing out numbers of your high hopes and frankly unrealistic short term goals, layout the plans on how you intend to achieve those goals.

You do realize you could have taken out a full page ad in the LA times or a half page ad in the Wall St. Journal for most likely less than you paid the former Marketing Director.

You could've also paid some high twitter followed person a couple grand to mention Bitshares.
Same thing for a popular syndicated radio host to mention it on air.

Or you could organize guerrilla advertising. Pay groups of people to wear Bitshares clothing and walk around their cities. I.e college kids going to bars or games and have them post pictures on twitter. Or pay a guy to stand in Times Square with a sign. Or pay someone 1pts if they are wearing a Bitshares logo visible behind a newscaster open air broadcast a la ESPN on site or Today's show and then link it on Twitter facebook......... These unfortunately take a much larger community, so it's a catch22.

There is a ton of things, you(the guy with the money) needs to proactive and actually spend it on what needs to be done. There is absolutely no reason to spend another dime going to a vacation land "selling" BTSX to bitcoin enthusiasts. You need to sell the world, and the only way to do that is to get them to hear or see the name Bitshares. An infomercial is not going to do that. That is going to get you a "Pfffffffffft, itshares? What does it share" response from a generation of people that still resist the computer.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Stan on August 12, 2014, 01:55:34 am
Quote
Yes, but how does his new company earn profits? How does it acquire funds to pay its expenses? From whence its cash flow? I'm just trying to understand the business model.

That would be for Brian and his partners to disclose as they see fit.

 :)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Riverhead on August 12, 2014, 01:56:43 am
If I3 offered to pay you to set that up would you? It would allow you to transition from, "Here is what you should have done" to, "Here is what we're doing". This is something for which you seem to have a lot of domain knowledge and passion. Moving from heckler to producer would add a lot of value. Clearly you have some skin in the game, either financial, intellectual, or both, because you're sticking around in spite of your clear dissatisfaction with Invictus' leadership.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: xeroc on August 12, 2014, 06:45:32 am
I would advertise a product the still has to prove that it is working (market peg)

If it does .. marketing is self-running
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: bitmeat on August 12, 2014, 08:51:29 am
Product also need to scale. I'm hoping they are doing stress tests to find the limits at which it breaks. Ie how big can the block chain get before it falls on itself? I would imagine they plan some way to cleanse the block chain and throw away older unnecessary records.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: bitcoinba on August 12, 2014, 02:56:57 pm
I am confused as to how marketing efforts are supposed to be evaluated by market cap. The relationship is simply corollary. I can not think of how this could be an effective measure of the success of a marketing campaign longterm, nor how you would be able create an efficient contractual relationship between the two parties.

Is there a precedent for this kind of arrangement? Has there been a Fortune 500 company that contracts its marketing companies or pays its marketing department based on fluctuations in its market cap? If so, I would love to see the data on it. If I were a marketing company I would love this arrangement as I could pick the hottest companies as clients, sign a deal, do no real work and just hope that the market effect allows the market cap to increase, and then enjoy success. I would sign as many deals as possible. I am absolutely not suggesting that this happening, but pointing it out as a an obvious potential flaw in this type of structure.





Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: bytemaster on August 12, 2014, 03:30:18 pm
I am confused as to how marketing efforts are supposed to be evaluated by market cap. The relationship is simply corollary. I can not think of how this could be an effective measure of the success of a marketing campaign longterm, nor how you would be able create an efficient contractual relationship between the two parties.

Is there a precedent for this kind of arrangement? Has there been a Fortune 500 company that contracts its marketing companies or pays its marketing department based on fluctuations in its market cap? If so, I would love to see the data on it. If I were a marketing company I would love this arrangement as I could pick the hottest companies as clients, sign a deal, do no real work and just hope that the market effect allows the market cap to increase, and then enjoy success. I would sign as many deals as possible. I am absolutely not suggesting that this happening, but pointing it out as a an obvious potential flaw in this type of structure.

This potential "flaw" is not lost on us and has been addressed.  There are specific marketing objectives that are being put into place that must be executed.  Primary focus is to bring money into the system.  The product they are selling is BitUSD / Paypal...  they bring customers stock price goes up.  Very direct relationship for most companies.    Obviously, signing a deal that doesn't require specific actions doesn't make sense.   Paying bonuses based upon performance does.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: soniq on August 12, 2014, 05:31:02 pm
I am confused as to how marketing efforts are supposed to be evaluated by market cap. The relationship is simply corollary. I can not think of how this could be an effective measure of the success of a marketing campaign longterm, nor how you would be able create an efficient contractual relationship between the two parties.

Is there a precedent for this kind of arrangement? Has there been a Fortune 500 company that contracts its marketing companies or pays its marketing department based on fluctuations in its market cap? If so, I would love to see the data on it. If I were a marketing company I would love this arrangement as I could pick the hottest companies as clients, sign a deal, do no real work and just hope that the market effect allows the market cap to increase, and then enjoy success. I would sign as many deals as possible. I am absolutely not suggesting that this happening, but pointing it out as a an obvious potential flaw in this type of structure.

Some of the unseen efforts of a marketing director is shown  in the market cap(as well as the potential of the software). Which indirectly is another marketing/branding strategy as coinmarketcap.com has a  Alexa of 5609 world and 3573 USA.

With two of Bitshares assets in the top 10 on coinmarketcap.com, investors want to be associated  with winners.  And even if people are not investing in Bitshares, it is branding the Bitshares brand, and that is priceless.

This is a great start by the I3 and the marketing team. 

Should we see more published results from the marketing director? possibly? I3 is not going to make everyone happy, no matter what they do.

I think the key to building any franchise or brand with staying power is too build a good solid foundation. The product will sell itself in the end if built properly. So far am I more than satisfied with I3 efforts to grow an idea into the solid foundation of what we have today

I am very excited to be on the Bitshares train :-)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: oldman on August 12, 2014, 07:02:24 pm
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.

BTC is what it is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.

BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.

We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.

I3/Brian are doing this right.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Riverhead on August 12, 2014, 07:33:27 pm
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.

BTC is what is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.

BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.

We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.

I3/Brian are doing this right.
Once I better understood what BitShares was trying to do it made sense that this isn't a tool looking for adoption by the masses. It's a tool for businesses and those that work/play in the ForEx and equities markets.

The DACs built with the toolkit will need to appeal to the masses if that's their market (music vs vote).

I see the marketing of this more like the marketing we see for DuPont, 3M, or Java. It's more about making people aware of the framework than trying to sell it to them so that when a DAC says it's built with BitShares people aren't hearing it for the first time.

With that in mind I too feel I3 is doing this right.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: xeroc on August 12, 2014, 08:18:59 pm
I'd like to see bitUSD and bitEURfor the masses!
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: cass on August 12, 2014, 10:31:30 pm
I'd like to see bitUSD and bitEURfor the masses!

 +5%
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: charleshoskinson on August 12, 2014, 10:33:18 pm
Ugh
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: cass on August 12, 2014, 10:41:49 pm
Ugh

?
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: bitcoinba on August 12, 2014, 11:37:22 pm
I am confused as to how marketing efforts are supposed to be evaluated by market cap. The relationship is simply corollary. I can not think of how this could be an effective measure of the success of a marketing campaign longterm, nor how you would be able create an efficient contractual relationship between the two parties.

Is there a precedent for this kind of arrangement? Has there been a Fortune 500 company that contracts its marketing companies or pays its marketing department based on fluctuations in its market cap? If so, I would love to see the data on it. If I were a marketing company I would love this arrangement as I could pick the hottest companies as clients, sign a deal, do no real work and just hope that the market effect allows the market cap to increase, and then enjoy success. I would sign as many deals as possible. I am absolutely not suggesting that this happening, but pointing it out as a an obvious potential flaw in this type of structure.

This potential "flaw" is not lost on us and has been addressed.  There are specific marketing objectives that are being put into place that must be executed.  Primary focus is to bring money into the system.  The product they are selling is BitUSD / Paypal...  they bring customers stock price goes up.  Very direct relationship for most companies.    Obviously, signing a deal that doesn't require specific actions doesn't make sense.   Paying bonuses based upon performance does.

I made the comment to promote the discussion on the specific strategy as to how the performance is measured and rewarded. I think if the ideology and mechanics of pay for performance for DAC marketing is fleshed out and opened up then other able marketers can partake.

Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: fuzzy on August 13, 2014, 03:32:46 am
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.

BTC is what is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.

BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.

We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.

I3/Brian are doing this right.
Once I better understood what BitShares was trying to do it made sense that this isn't a tool looking for adoption by the masses. It's a tool for businesses and those that work/play in the ForEx and equities markets.

The DACs built with the toolkit will need to appeal to the masses if that's their market (music vs vote).

I see the marketing of this more like the marketing we see for DuPont, 3M, or Java. It's more about making people aware of the framework than trying to sell it to them so that when a DAC says it's built with BitShares people aren't hearing it for the first time.

With that in mind I too feel I3 is doing this right.

As for doing it right.  There is one place I would like to see more effort placed.  That is helping the altcoins with vibrant communities/adaptive devs get their models off the ground and using some version of dpos.  I think 5/5% is fair for PTS/AGS during a certain window of time, after which coins that use bitshares dpos models are expected give 10/10%.

Also, the current DACs,  (especially bitshares lotto) should try to employ the bitshares diamond casino strategy to ensure a broader user base will not only download amd use the bitshares wallet, but get in a habit of using it.  We are talking about subtle things that are really important...
Though bytemaster would likely say a casino that gives back more than people pay in would be giving things away for free (and destructive to value), I believe the diamonds casino would be a great way to serve as a faucet that makes holders of popular altcoins want their coin to switch to dpos. It is also a great way to consistently reward the altcoin holders who learn to use the wallet and give them a small stake in upcoming DACs. 

I guess my point is thay we are limited by few barriers in this space, so we should try to work together to bring good ideas to life.  Not all of them will work, but worst case we tried to do something really new and inspiring for others...

stop complaining -- and start helping ....come in guys .. marketing camaigns may not get the right effect if they are completely transparent before launching the campaign...

This has been why the mumble server is up and running and beyondbitcoinx site have been in the works. Trust me, I like to complain as much as the next guy but we all have to play our little part. Either help make tools or use the tools made.  This isn't an altcoin we are talking about, this is the base of an entirely new economy...so we need to create, edit or polish content so other potential users can listen and know they can play a part in the building of this ecosystem too.

There is so much possibility here guys and gals... lets find ways to collaborate, make value and ethically get paid.  That is the best marketing magic around.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: liondani on August 13, 2014, 10:00:38 am
I'd like to see bitUSD and bitEURfor the masses!
don't forget/underestimate bitCNY,  see how strong our Chinese community is and how powerful the Chinese are in general right know... Don't forget that for the Chinese population (and not only) Bitshares is the ultimate tool to get economic free. They will "surprise " (some of) us,  remember that...
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Riverhead on August 13, 2014, 10:05:26 am
I'd like to see bitUSD and bitEURfor the masses!
don't forget/underestimate bitCNY,  see how strong our Chinese community is and how powerful the Chinese are in general right know... Don't forget that for the Chinese population (and not only) Bitshares is the ultimate tool to get economic free. They will "surprise " (some of) us,  remember that...
+5%  Yes, let's not ignore the largest market on the planet  8)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: xeroc on August 13, 2014, 10:51:44 am
Can remember the bitcoin bubble  .. from 50€ to 800€ was assumbed to be caused by the chineses .. also the bubble pop from 800€ to 500€ :)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: GaltReport on August 13, 2014, 08:53:38 pm
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.

BTC is what it is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.

BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.

We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.

I3/Brian are doing this right.

You may be right about this...I'm curious as to whom you think the few very powerful and connected are that have been pulling the strings for BTC?
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Riverhead on August 13, 2014, 09:26:17 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: bitmeat on August 13, 2014, 09:55:31 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin

Man... Once BTSX has the market functionality, I see no reason why strategic/marketing efforts wouldn't approach Winklevoss twins. Heck can you imagine BTSX listed as ETF on the NYSE?

Drool!
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: GaltReport on August 13, 2014, 10:01:32 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin

Man... Once BTSX has the market functionality, I see no reason why strategic/marketing efforts wouldn't approach Winklevoss twins. Heck can you imagine BTSX listed as ETF on the NYSE?

Drool!

These are good examples.  There is a lot to be said for whales....:)  and the  mass market for that matter.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: fuzzy on August 13, 2014, 10:44:40 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin

the same guys whonfought over intellectual property rights for facebook...that should give some clue as to how freedom loving they are and in what direction they want to help evolve the bitcoin ecosystem.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: bitmeat on August 14, 2014, 01:37:51 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin

the same guys whonfought over intellectual property rights for facebook...that should give some clue as to how freedom loving they are and in what direction they want to help evolve the bitcoin ecosystem.

Based on a movie full of inaccuracies everybody saw. Come on now! You can't deny there was a conflict of interest. Facebook settled with them, which to me looks like an admission of guilt.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: fuzzy on August 14, 2014, 01:46:59 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins#Bitcoin

the same guys whonfought over intellectual property rights for facebook...that should give some clue as to how freedom loving they are and in what direction they want to help evolve the bitcoin ecosystem.

Based on a movie full of inaccuracies everybody saw. Come on now! You can't deny there was a conflict of interest. Facebook settled with them, which to me looks like an admission of guilt.

No not because of that...but because it just seems too coincidental that these guys get in on such foundational technologies again and again. 

Of course,  I tend toward the supposition that exising power stuctures tend to create groups of insiders who have sworn to protect the interests of their monopolies and have access to far more resources than the normal joes... some call this conspiracy.  I call a logical consequence of the old money paradigm and human nature. :/
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: bitmeat on August 14, 2014, 02:00:03 am
When I hear people complaining about monopolies it reminds me of the South Park episode about Walmart. :)
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: fuzzy on August 14, 2014, 05:35:23 am
When I hear people complaining about monopolies it reminds me of the South Park episode about Walmart. :)

I prefer the savings account one...though the walmart episode is beautiful too. Cant beat south park man. Been a long time since I had the time to watch it though :/
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Gentso1 on August 14, 2014, 10:43:53 pm
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.

BTC is what is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.

BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.

We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.

I3/Brian are doing this right.
Once I better understood what BitShares was trying to do it made sense that this isn't a tool looking for adoption by the masses. It's a tool for businesses and those that work/play in the ForEx and equities markets.

The DACs built with the toolkit will need to appeal to the masses if that's their market (music vs vote).

I see the marketing of this more like the marketing we see for DuPont, 3M, or Java. It's more about making people aware of the framework than trying to sell it to them so that when a DAC says it's built with BitShares people aren't hearing it for the first time.

With that in mind I too feel I3 is doing this right.

Thats funny because I look at the platform as a great equalizer. A place where minnow and whale can compete with no edge. We could make a wallstreet where home user and billionaire all enjoy the same advantages of the software and ecosystem. Why only market from one group to one demographic? What possible advantages are there to making  your average joe feel like we aren't interested in his business because he is a few zero's shy.

Millionaire's are both made and borne(born into money vs self made) lets just give them a level field to play on and let the pieces fall where they may.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: fuzzy on August 14, 2014, 11:17:34 pm
BTSX needs momentum; market cap is how the avalanche will start.

BTC is what is today not because of social media presence, trendy ads, political lobbying or clever P2P marketing.

BTC is what it is because there are a few very powerful and connected hands pulling the strings.

We need a few whales, not a bunch of minnows.

I3/Brian are doing this right.
Once I better understood what BitShares was trying to do it made sense that this isn't a tool looking for adoption by the masses. It's a tool for businesses and those that work/play in the ForEx and equities markets.

The DACs built with the toolkit will need to appeal to the masses if that's their market (music vs vote).

I see the marketing of this more like the marketing we see for DuPont, 3M, or Java. It's more about making people aware of the framework than trying to sell it to them so that when a DAC says it's built with BitShares people aren't hearing it for the first time.

With that in mind I too feel I3 is doing this right.


Thats funny because I look at the platform as a great equalizer. A place where minnow and whale can compete with no edge. We could make a wallstreet where home user and billionaire all enjoy the same advantages of the software and ecosystem. Why only market from one group to one demographic? What possible advantages are there to making  your average joe feel like we aren't interested in his business because he is a few zero's shy.

Millionaire's are both made and borne(born into money vs self made) lets just give them a level field to play on and let the pieces fall where they may.


+5% +5% +5%
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Riverhead on August 14, 2014, 11:21:08 pm
I don't disagree but btsx is on the dac Bitshares X. Bitshares itself is a toolkit, framework, platform, whatever you want to call it. That's what I was (not clearly) referring to.
I agree about the level playing field.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: jae208 on August 30, 2014, 10:41:26 am
stop complaining -- and start helping ....

I am helping to bring you guys back to reality. Complaining about complaining isn't helping.

Gimme some of that AGS funds, and I will do more in a week than the Marketing Director did the entire time he served.  I can get you ads, sit downs with politicians, blurbs in local newscasts, intros to lobbyists from the top consulting firms. You name it.

While you guys sit around and high five each other and pat each other's backs because you are on the payroll doesn't take away from the fact that outside of the Bitshares code/product, little to no advance in adoption and community sentiment has been made. And by community, I mean cryptocommunity.

This is the second time in two days a paid I3 or Bitshares (I can't even tell which one pays the bills) person has told the community to do something for nothing.

I am sorry, but we donated to AGS, we didn't collect the AGS donations.

We don't have access to those funds.

I have seen no attempt to put the community to work using those funds outside of working on the code.

Give the community an opportunity to produce and you would have better results than that of the doge community.

 +5%

In hindsight, I think that the rise in Bitshares price a few days ago had more to do with the crypto community and people seeing BitsharesX rise quickly on coinmarketcap than wealthy friends recently made. In essence the best marketing we have is being on the top 4 for coinmarketcap, for now.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on January 25, 2015, 08:54:52 am
Instead of throwing out numbers of your high hopes and frankly unrealistic short term goals, layout the plans on how you intend to achieve those goals.

You do realize you could have taken out a full page ad in the LA times or a half page ad in the Wall St. Journal for most likely less than you paid the former Marketing Director.

Would've been a great time for an ad...Too bad.  >:(
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Article link: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-revolutionary-power-of-digital-currency-1422035061
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: hpenvy2 on January 25, 2015, 03:16:26 pm
Instead of throwing out numbers of your high hopes and frankly unrealistic short term goals, layout the plans on how you intend to achieve those goals.

You do realize you could have taken out a full page ad in the LA times or a half page ad in the Wall St. Journal for most likely less than you paid the former Marketing Director.

Would've been a great time for an ad...Too bad.  >:(
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Article link: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-revolutionary-power-of-digital-currency-1422035061

Should Have, Could Have, Would Have

Worst time for an ad. Until we have an easy to use wallet, that traffic isn't a huge benefit.  Missed opportunities, we're moving forward and hope you join us.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: fuzzy on January 25, 2015, 03:22:00 pm
Doesnt it feel to anyone else like we are lying when we tell people bitcoin is decentralized?
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on January 25, 2015, 06:23:33 pm
Doesnt it feel to anyone else like we are lying when we tell people bitcoin is decentralized?

Bitcoin is decentralized. It's security/block production is just not evenly distributed amongst all users. Nothing will ever be completely distributed unless you live in a communist utopia with no elite ruling class. Bitshares is decentralized too.  It has the potential to be more distributed than the current state of bitcoin thus making it more decentralized than Bitcoin. However, BitShares decentralization is calculated by share wealth and share wealth vote participation. If 100% of shares voted, the landscape of delegates would be very much the same because of a few elite/major share holders. These share holders/voters are no different than the large mining pools and mining operations for Bitcoin.

Then again, if you draw a large enough circle around something, it will always be centralized.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on January 25, 2015, 06:33:16 pm


Should Have, Could Have, Would Have

Worst time for an ad. Until we have an easy to use wallet, that traffic isn't a huge benefit.  Missed opportunities, we're moving forward and hope you join us.

There's the spirit! Name recognition and brand recognition mean nothing. I mean, there is no way you could or should possibly know what a Ford Mustang is unless you go actually drive it and it's physically in your reach. Right?

BitShares, coming soon..... You ever hear of something coming soon?
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: Stan on January 25, 2015, 07:11:53 pm
Doesnt it feel to anyone else like we are lying when we tell people bitcoin is decentralized?

Bitcoin is decentralized. It's security/block production is just not evenly distributed amongst all users. Nothing will ever be completely distributed unless you live in a communist utopia with no elite ruling class. Bitshares is decentralized too.  It has the potential to be more distributed than the current state of bitcoin thus making it more decentralized than Bitcoin. However, BitShares decentralization is calculated by share wealth and share wealth vote participation. If 100% of shares voted, the landscape of delegates would be very much the same because of a few elite/major share holders. These share holders/voters are no different than the large mining pools and mining operations for Bitcoin.

Then again, if you draw a large enough circle around something, it will always be centralized.


I almost agree with this.  I certainly love the "large enough circle" quotable quote.

The difference with BitShares is that it is at least possible for small stakeholders to unite to completely eliminate the influence of large stakeholders.  In a more realistic situation, only delegates most agreed upon by BOTH the small holders AND big holders would likely reach the Top 101.  If the small holders don't vote, oh well, they just agreed with the large holders.  This is still, by definition, a generally acceptable outcome.

This is not possible with the other schemes you mentioned.  There, the big guy's influence is absolute.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: NewMine on January 25, 2015, 07:54:49 pm
Doesnt it feel to anyone else like we are lying when we tell people bitcoin is decentralized?

Bitcoin is decentralized. It's security/block production is just not evenly distributed amongst all users. Nothing will ever be completely distributed unless you live in a communist utopia with no elite ruling class. Bitshares is decentralized too.  It has the potential to be more distributed than the current state of bitcoin thus making it more decentralized than Bitcoin. However, BitShares decentralization is calculated by share wealth and share wealth vote participation. If 100% of shares voted, the landscape of delegates would be very much the same because of a few elite/major share holders. These share holders/voters are no different than the large mining pools and mining operations for Bitcoin.

Then again, if you draw a large enough circle around something, it will always be centralized.


I almost agree with this.  I certainly love the "large enough circle" quotable quote.

The difference with BitShares is that it is at least possible for small stakeholders to unite to completely eliminate the influence of large stakeholders.  In a more realistic situation, only delegates most agreed upon by BOTH the small holders AND big holders would likely reach the Top 101.  If the small holders don't vote, oh well, they just agreed with the large holders.  This is still, by definition, a generally acceptable outcome.

This is not possible with the other schemes you mentioned.  There, the big guy's influence is absolute.

Yeah, I kind of based it off the quote from Fight Club, "On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.” Although, it is a concept that I am sure others have eluded to if not outright stated it.

I agree that small holders can unite, but at a greater effort and time.

I do think mining pools are subjected to the collective consensus of the little guys.

I guess the real test or question would be is: if someone put 10% of BTC's cap into a mining operation, would they be able to attain as much network control as someone who buys 10% stake of BTS shares? Or would it be more.
Title: Re: Marketing Director, Brian Page, leaving Bitshares
Post by: testz on January 25, 2015, 08:02:34 pm
Doesnt it feel to anyone else like we are lying when we tell people bitcoin is decentralized?
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I guess the real test or question would be is: if someone put 10% of BTC's cap into a mining operation, would they be able to attain as much network control as someone who buys 10% stake of BTS shares? Or would it be more.

Easily, make a Bitcoin mining pool which pay 5-10% bonus, and you get 51% in few weeks and it's will cost you much less than $341,675,405 (10% of BTC cap)