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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: sky on September 02, 2014, 07:35:41 pm
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I started using Bitshares X ver 0.4.10 as a brand new user.
Was positive and curious about this new entry on the market.
Since that date I have had multiple bugs with the client, and nothing has improved.
Constant re-installs, rescans, import of private keys and etc. - and still Transaction scanning progress -100% is popping up.
I have addressed this multiple times in the forum - just a few well-hearted responses - but no real help other than what I have been able to google and lookup in the whitepaper and wiki, which btw sometimes gives contradicting instructions..
I also tried to enter as a delegate - managed to find out how to do it by googling and piece together the commands to do it..
2 of my accounts are registered as Standby and I have tried multiple times to make them able to create blocks - both with the console command and from the account itself with the delegate feature.
Created 2 accounts for delegation - entered both with 100% but they turned out to be 50% and 66% respectively.. Not able to increase this - only decrease apparently?
After entering the command to have them create blocks and after voting for both - none of them shows up in the Standby delegates list..
Forum is not much help, as noone seems to know how to solve these bugs, and the devs does not seem to answer the questions/queries even after many days.
If you guys continue this path you will scare away potential customers and investors.
A new client/currency MUST work when you disclose it to the public, otherwise it is doomed.
I can't say this many times enough:
Wait with release till it is ready - otherwise forget it!
It is not sufficient that a group of devs and insiders knows how to run the client - if the masses, who you depend on, are struggling!
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0.4.10
you are using alpha software - so bugs are common.
a run 2 windows 7 64it computer and so far all releases worked without bigger problems.
maybe just wait a couple of weeks or month and come back.
this is work in progress
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I started using Bitshares X ver 0.4.10 as a brand new user.
Was positive and curious about this new entry on the market.
Since that date I have had multiple bugs with the client, and nothing has improved.
Constant re-installs, rescans, import of private keys and etc. - and still Transaction scanning progress -100% is popping up.
I have addressed this multiple times in the forum - just a few well-hearted responses - but no real help other than what I have been able to google and lookup in the whitepaper and wiki, which btw sometimes gives contradicting instructions..
I also tried to enter as a delegate - managed to find out how to do it by googling and piece together the commands to do it..
2 of my accounts are registered as Standby and I have tried multiple times to make them able to create blocks - both with the console command and from the account itself with the delegate feature.
Created 2 accounts for delegation - entered both with 100% but they turned out to be 50% and 66% respectively.. Not able to increase this - only decrease apparently?
After entering the command to have them create blocks and after voting for both - none of them shows up in the Standby delegates list..
Forum is not much help, as noone seems to know how to solve these bugs, and the devs does not seem to answer the questions/queries even after many days.
If you guys continue this path you will scare away potential customers and investors.
A new client/currency MUST work when you disclose it to the public, otherwise it is doomed.
I can't say this many times enough:
Wait with release till it is ready - otherwise forget it!
It is not sufficient that a group of devs and insiders knows how to run the client - if the masses, who you depend on, are struggling!
I understand you are losing patience.
Tell us your bugs by showing us screenshots. Print screen + Paint is the solution. Printi screen is at the top right hand corner of your screen. This will help the development your using it and posting screenshots in this General Discussion, with specifically the bug problem.
We have the volume (5x bigger than nxt) We have the market cap (2x as big but as bigger but we will soon be 10x as big)., and we have the innovation.
BitsharesX is the Financial Atomic Bomb Technology of the 21st century.
Read this https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8072.0
Read it, tell your friends, Be Patient. Please Sir.
It took time to
From the blog
"BitShares is an industry under development
You have a chance to participate in that development."
http://bitshares.org/general-warning/
On a side note I played Infantry the game from Sony for a while about 10 years ago. I had a squad called TDD (The Dirty Dozen). Sky was the best soldier out of them all.
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0.4.10
you are using alpha software - so bugs are common.
a run 2 windows 7 64it computer and so far all releases worked without bigger problems.
maybe just wait a couple of weeks or month and come back.
this is work in progress
i am using the client on 64 and 32 bit windows 7 pc's -also without problems
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wrong..
even if it is alpha - it is released to the public - hence it is considered official..
..and yes I did read that warning that it is still a work in progress.
Let me remind you that Mercedes (or any other product for that sake) does not distribute 4 wheels and a steering wheel to hope for customers - they wait till it is 100% ready because they know that then they will get customers..
I would agree that this comparison might not be valid - but I think you get the hint :)
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THe introduction of the market pegged asset has been a large change to the code base. We're going to see a lot of bugs. No one is happy about it. The devs are working hard. Software development is a lot harder to do than it sounds. When you start having so many things interacting, you have an extremely complicated system with a lot of inter-dependencies.
I do not know this personally, but I suspect all the devs are putting in a lot of hours trying to track down the last bugs. There are a lot of things to consider when to release software. Nothing is as easy as it sounds. We can create a ton of threads complaining, but beyond making their life a little bit more stressful I don't think it'll help anything. No one is happy about bugs.
Personally I'd like to bug BM or dev's with questions, but I figure they're too busy as is so I try to keep them to a minimum.
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wrong..
even if it is alpha - it is released to the public - hence it is considered official..
..and yes I did read that warning that it is still a work in progress.
Let me remind you that Mercedes (or any other product for that sake) does not distribute 4 wheels and a steering wheel to hope for customers - they wait till it is 100% ready because they know that then they will get customers..
I would agree that this comparison might not be valid - but I think you get the hint :)
Sir Sky. I understand it was released to the public. But we can not get our developers distracted. One thing they need to work on is getting it so it automatically updates when you login (maybe if that is the solution. But we need a team to bug test before we release so hackers can not come in and fuck all of us.
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wrong..
even if it is alpha - it is released to the public - hence it is considered official..
..and yes I did read that warning that it is still a work in progress.
Let me remind you that Mercedes (or any other product for that sake) does not distribute 4 wheels and a steering wheel to hope for customers - they wait till it is 100% ready because they know that then they will get customers..
I would agree that this comparison might not be valid - but I think you get the hint :)
Like you, I have to reinstall an earlier version. I will do that but there are some things I do, some things I dont. I believe that talking on this forum is the most important aspect of my digital waiterness.
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@gamey and others:
You are just confirming that a product should not be released before it is fully ready..
edit: or should a say: you are just underlining my statement that nothing should be released before it is fully ready..
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wrong..
even if it is alpha - it is released to the public - hence it is considered official..
..and yes I did read that warning that it is still a work in progress.
Let me remind you that Mercedes (or any other product for that sake) does not distribute 4 wheels and a steering wheel to hope for customers - they wait till it is 100% ready because they know that then they will get customers..
I would agree that this comparison might not be valid - but I think you get the hint :)
mercedes? no,no - german cars have no errors ;)
just compare it with other software projects. i play landmark and in alpha stage it was not really fun, because of crashes etc. but this kind of stuff is needed to find bugs. this is a new code base, this is not a copy cat coin with recyled bitcoin code.
but i can say something nice, because it runs on my machines otherwise......... :o
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wrong..
even if it is alpha - it is released to the public - hence it is considered official..
..and yes I did read that warning that it is still a work in progress.
Let me remind you that Mercedes (or any other product for that sake) does not distribute 4 wheels and a steering wheel to hope for customers - they wait till it is 100% ready because they know that then they will get customers..
I would agree that this comparison might not be valid - but I think you get the hint :)
I guess you weren't around the forum when there were endless complaints about how long it was taking to get the product out. The nagging was intense.
Because of this, the devs came up with the idea of releasing an MVP (minimum viable product) after many, many test chains seemed to show it would work. And it did, just no bitassets yet - which is a core feature that is now being introduced.
If you find this work in progress intolerable, and it probably is to some user-types, then the best suggestion has already been made. Stay away for a few weeks and then come back with most of the bugs having been attended to so that your user experience will be much smoother.
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@gamey and others:
You are just confirming that a product should not be released before it is fully ready..
edit: or should a say: you are just underlining my statement that nothing should be released before it is fully ready..
The best thing you can do sky is screenshot your problems and open a thread here. Seriously, it will help. Then we will not have those problems anymore and the value of your stack will go up as we will have adoption
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@shentist:
I understand patriotism very well and it is a positive thing.
But I for one did not follow BTSX via this or other foras - I stumbled over it via the iNet by chance and this is why I say that even if it is an alpha version it was still available to the masses/public.
If it was meant for a closed test group it should have remained as such.
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@shentist:
I understand patriotism very well and it is a positive thing.
But I for one did not follow BTSX via this or other foras - I stumbled over it via the iNet by chance and this is why I say that even if it is an alpha version it was still available to the masses/public.
If it was meant for a closed test group it should have remained as such.
Then you are important sky if you stumbled onto this as have many of us. Join us band of brothers and help us.
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@onceuponatime:
Indeed I will stay away - but that is not because some here in this thread advice so - that is my intention anyway.
The devs should not have given in to group pressure, stand strong in your own belief, produce your thing, release it when you feel good and ready about it - if it is revolutionary it will succeed however long time it takes to be ready.
Good luck - and Gods speed
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Like you, I have to reinstall an earlier version. I will do that but there are some things I do, some things I dont. I believe that talking on this forum is the most important aspect of my digital waiterness.
Hi eagleeye,
Forgive me I am a not very technical but can you please explain to me what is digital waiterness?
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@onceuponatime:
Indeed I will stay away - but that is not because some here in this thread advice so - that is my intention anyway.
The devs should not have given in to group pressure, stand strong in your own belief, produce your thing, release it when you feel good and ready about it - if it is revolutionary it will succeed however long time it takes to be ready.
Good luck - and Gods speed
Sky it is a race.
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Like you, I have to reinstall an earlier version. I will do that but there are some things I do, some things I dont. I believe that talking on this forum is the most important aspect of my digital waiterness.
Hi eagleeye,
Forgive me I am a not very technical but can you please explain to me what is digital waiterness?
Its a person that goes from thread to thread, comment to comment, with prior past knowledge and experience and takes peoples orders (comments) and gives them what they want. All I ask in the end is maybe a tip. But only if this succeeds and not now. My job is to satisfy each and every client, whether they are rich, or poor, whether are developers, or side developers, or legal team, or just general users etc.
Also I should have said Digital Waiter.
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and still Transaction scanning progress -100% is popping up
For this specific issue, I ran into it myself and noticed that for whatever reason transaction scanning was disabled.
Issuing the command "wallet_set_transaction_scanning true" in the console enables it. After that, run "rescan".
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and still Transaction scanning progress -100% is popping up
For this specific issue, I ran into it myself and noticed that for whatever reason transaction scanning was disabled.
Issuing the command "wallet_set_transaction_scanning true" in the console enables it. After that, run "rescan".
Can someone please direct me to what the bitsharesx -> console, is even used for?
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Like you, I have to reinstall an earlier version. I will do that but there are some things I do, some things I dont. I believe that talking on this forum is the most important aspect of my digital waiterness.
Hi eagleeye,
Forgive me I am a not very technical but can you please explain to me what is digital waiterness?
Its a person that goes from thread to thread, comment to comment, with prior past knowledge and experience and takes peoples orders (comments) and gives them what they want. All I ask in the end is maybe a tip. But only if this succeeds and not now. My job is to satisfy each and every client, whether they are rich, or poor, whether are developers, or side developers, or legal team, or just general users etc.
Also I should have said Digital Waiter.
You are funny guy :). I would like to tip you with BTSX just need registered account name.
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Like you, I have to reinstall an earlier version. I will do that but there are some things I do, some things I dont. I believe that talking on this forum is the most important aspect of my digital waiterness.
Hi eagleeye,
Forgive me I am a not very technical but can you please explain to me what is digital waiterness?
Its a person that goes from thread to thread, comment to comment, with prior past knowledge and experience and takes peoples orders (comments) and gives them what they want. All I ask in the end is maybe a tip. But only if this succeeds and not now. My job is to satisfy each and every client, whether they are rich, or poor, whether are developers, or side developers, or legal team, or just general users etc.
Also I should have said Digital Waiter.
You are funny guy :). I would like to tip you with BTSX just need registered account name.
Thanks dude. Tip me when it matters.
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@gamey and others:
You are just confirming that a product should not be released before it is fully ready..
edit: or should a say: you are just underlining my statement that nothing should be released before it is fully ready..
No I am not. There are questions of resources etc that are likely not even being considered here. Things are released all the time before they are fully ready. Beta and Alpha software is released all the time and often stays in Beta for years.
Most people who complain tend to see the world in a very utopian manner. There are bugs, they suck. They don't see any worse to me than similar related software. Dan has a cool project, he has gotten good developers because of it. I assume it'll start evening out here shortly in big noticeable ways.
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I assume it'll start evening out here shortly in big noticeable ways.
I agree. It can seem like a senseless pile of spaghetti at the start but once it starts to take shape the wins come quickly. I do agree that it should have been clearer that this software was in beta on the DAC Sun Limited site however that ship has sailed.
Early teething problems will get ironed out and those sitting on the sidelines can join in with confidence.
If I recall correctly even the iPhone had serious issues when first released. Android was a mess, and don't even get me started about Windows 95 -> Vista. All of these companies could have done better but they took their lumps and continued on to great success.
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@gamey and others:
You are just confirming that a product should not be released before it is fully ready..
edit: or should a say: you are just underlining my statement that nothing should be released before it is fully ready..
No I am not. There are questions of resources etc that are likely not even being considered here. Things are released all the time before they are fully ready. Beta and Alpha software is released all the time and often stays in Beta for years.
Most people who complain tend to see the world in a very utopian manner. There are bugs, they suck. They don't see any worse to me than similar related software. Dan has a cool project, he has gotten good developers because of it. I assume it'll start evening out here shortly in big noticeable ways.
Assume nothing, we must be vigilante. However, what you believe, will probably come to pass. For victory!
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@gamey
there is a big difference between a product which is not on the market yet, and one that is on the market and officially trading - even being an alpha version with bugs..
it does not matter to 'be first - before the competitors' with an important item as a new virtual currency.
even if many good products will pop up over the near future - I as a customer/user/investor might try out a few - but I will eventually pick the one which is smooth, stable and revolutionary.
why would a developer release a product - for official trading that is - and risk lose potential customers due to too many bugs?
a few bugs I can live with, but missing stability will turn me away.
edit: even if the client will eventually turn stable - but that would be too late I'm afraid
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@gamey
there is a big difference between a product which is not on the market yet, and one that is on the market and officially trading - even being an alpha version with bugs..
it does not matter to 'be first - before the competitors' with an important item as a new virtual currency.
even if many good products will pop up over the near future - I as a customer/user/investor might try out a few - but I will eventually pick the one which is smooth, stable and revolutionary.
why would a developer release a product - for official trading that is - and risk lose potential customers due to too many bugs?
a few bugs I can live with, but missing stability will turn me away.
At the time of release the last dry run was "stable" and there were no known bugs. Developers cannot catch all bugs on all platforms prior to launch.
As a developer running a client every single day and performing transactions, market operations, etc with my client I have not experienced ANY crashes of my desktop GUI.
I had many successful software company CEOs tell me "If you are not embarrassed at your first release, you waited too long". Many things that we are trying to test require money to be on the line (ie: how do you test market dynamics???)
Bugs are temporary... and rapidly being fixed. Polish will come.
So what is BTSX good for today? It is good for early adopters to use to get involved. It is good for developers to test integration. Sure you shouldn't be using it as your day-to-day crypto at this point in time.
All of that said, I was pushing to hold off on launching. But with open source that isn't my call and DAC Sun thought it was ready. Over all I think they were right despite the bugs.
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@gamey
there is a big difference between a product which is not on the market yet, and one that is on the market and officially trading - even being an alpha version with bugs..
it does not matter to 'be first - before the competitors' with an important item as a new virtual currency.
even if many good products will pop up over the near future - I as a customer/user/investor might try out a few - but I will eventually pick the one which is smooth, stable and revolutionary.
why would a developer release a product - for official trading that is - and risk lose potential customers due to too many bugs?
a few bugs I can live with, but missing stability will turn me away.
edit: even if the client will eventually turn stable - but that would be too late I'm afraid
I disagree with you on multiple levels. Not sure what your intention is as your account is only 10 days old. You say they should have never released it. I say it is alpha and don't use it for now beyond what is needed. It is standard software releasing.
I've not been using the wallet regularly. I've been staying away from it. What is there to do with it right now that is so pressing for you ?
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Few things to ponder on:
Many newcomers think they can become a delegate from the get go in reality they are wasting resources trying to register as one. I propose that option be removed from UI but still available in command line. Running a delegate from the UI has myriad of issues. Suggested method is a private Linux server running 24/7.
Secondly to all those that complain about problems, ask yourself wouldn't you have said the same thing about bitcoin when it was $0.01 and buggy? I'm not happy about the issues either, and even I am guilty of complaining, however the more positive approach we all take the sooner these problems will go away through a collaborative effort.
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Many newcomers think they can become a delegate from the get go in reality they are wasting resources trying to register as one. I propose that option be removed from UI but still available in command line. Running a delegate from the UI has myriad of issues. Suggested method is a private Linux server running 24/7.
Agreed. It will be removed in 0.4.12
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Chill out, let the market tell you what's right.
Even with the bugs and insinuated loss of funds BTSX is 4th on coin market cap. Fourth (i shouted that) please any one complaining and whining, STFU. The market, which on the large part is silent, is the truth, and it says "I see great promise, keep up the good work and please don't waist your precious time reading bolocks like this"
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@gamey
if you read my OP I joined AUG23 but that does not mean that I don't know what I'm talking about.
I have no pressing agenda with the client - my point is that it is being used officially for trading when it is not ready - but ready can be interpreted differently depending on where in the system you are.
@ bitmeat
if you build in a delegate feature - then obviously a user/investor will try it out to see if it can give income
.. and finally - I indeed have a positive view on the client - as on other clients, current and upcoming.
critique must be taken if you go public
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Fourth (i shouted that) please any one complaining and whining, STFU.
+5% +5% +5%
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@bytemaster
it is your baby (afaik?) so you decide when it can walk.
why do you let investors decide that (puzzles me)?
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anyway - it's good night from me
many good comments - keep that up
a few of the usual 'stfu noob' style ones, but that is normal in most foras :)
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.. and finally - I indeed have a positive view on the client - as on other clients, current and upcoming.
critique must be taken if you go public
Agreed, critique is a good thing, but since it is already released complaining that it should never have been released repeatedly is not constructive. So why bother?
The reason I brought up your join date is you sound like you have been waiting for the up and coming Bitshares X for months and months and are let down. Just don't use it and wait for it to be a bit more usable in a week or 2. I think that is the typical suggestion but I only speak for myself.
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@gamey
there is a big difference between a product which is not on the market yet, and one that is on the market and officially trading - even being an alpha version with bugs..
it does not matter to 'be first - before the competitors' with an important item as a new virtual currency.
even if many good products will pop up over the near future - I as a customer/user/investor might try out a few - but I will eventually pick the one which is smooth, stable and revolutionary.
why would a developer release a product - for official trading that is - and risk lose potential customers due to too many bugs?
a few bugs I can live with, but missing stability will turn me away.
At the time of release the last dry run was "stable" and there were no known bugs. Developers cannot catch all bugs on all platforms prior to launch.
As a developer running a client every single day and performing transactions, market operations, etc with my client I have not experienced ANY crashes of my desktop GUI.
I had many successful software company CEOs tell me "If you are not embarrassed at your first release, you waited too long". Many things that we are trying to test require money to be on the line (ie: how do you test market dynamics???)
Bugs are temporary... and rapidly being fixed. Polish will come.
So what is BTSX good for today? It is good for early adopters to use to get involved. It is good for developers to test integration. Sure you shouldn't be using it as your day-to-day crypto at this point in time.
All of that said, I was pushing to hold off on launching. But with open source that isn't my call and DAC Sun thought it was ready. Over all I think they were right despite the bugs.
Bytemaster you made the right move. You cant make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
Furthermore as you said you could not catch on bugs in Alpha Bitsharesx Platform.
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I started using Bitshares X ver 0.4.10 as a brand new user.
Was positive and curious about this new entry on the market.
Since that date I have had multiple bugs with the client, and nothing has improved.
Constant re-installs, rescans, import of private keys and etc. - and still Transaction scanning progress -100% is popping up.
I have addressed this multiple times in the forum - just a few well-hearted responses - but no real help other than what I have been able to google and lookup in the whitepaper and wiki, which btw sometimes gives contradicting instructions..
I also tried to enter as a delegate - managed to find out how to do it by googling and piece together the commands to do it..
2 of my accounts are registered as Standby and I have tried multiple times to make them able to create blocks - both with the console command and from the account itself with the delegate feature.
Created 2 accounts for delegation - entered both with 100% but they turned out to be 50% and 66% respectively.. Not able to increase this - only decrease apparently?
After entering the command to have them create blocks and after voting for both - none of them shows up in the Standby delegates list..
Forum is not much help, as noone seems to know how to solve these bugs, and the devs does not seem to answer the questions/queries even after many days.
If you guys continue this path you will scare away potential customers and investors.
A new client/currency MUST work when you disclose it to the public, otherwise it is doomed.
I can't say this many times enough:
Wait with release till it is ready - otherwise forget it!
It is not sufficient that a group of devs and insiders knows how to run the client - if the masses, who you depend on, are struggling!
Bitcoin had bugs too when it was released. If you used the web in the 90s then Netscape and IE used to crash all the time.
This is normal but unfortunately when money is at stake people need to be reassured that their money is safe. The worst problem is lost balances. I've lost some of my own balance due to a bug but I have some idea of why it happens.
Delaying releasing would have only delayed the discovery of these bugs. Also there are other platforms out there like NXT which have had problems too so good luck using that.
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Why feeding this troll? the guy is close minded just want a neg post.
Bye today, will see you soon.
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Why feeding this troll? the guy is close minded just want a neg post.
Bye today, will see you soon.
Thank you sir.
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wrong..
even if it is alpha - it is released to the public - hence it is considered official..
..and yes I did read that warning that it is still a work in progress.
Let me remind you that Mercedes (or any other product for that sake) does not distribute 4 wheels and a steering wheel to hope for customers - they wait till it is 100% ready because they know that then they will get customers..
I would agree that this comparison might not be valid - but I think you get the hint :)
I guess you weren't around the forum when there were endless complaints about how long it was taking to get the product out. The nagging was intense.
Because of this, the devs came up with the idea of releasing an MVP (minimum viable product) after many, many test chains seemed to show it would work. And it did, just no bitassets yet - which is a core feature that is now being introduced.
If you find this work in progress intolerable, and it probably is to some user-types, then the best suggestion has already been made. Stay away for a few weeks and then come back with most of the bugs having been attended to so that your user experience will be much smoother.
well said …
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It was mentioned briefly but I think it is worth mentioning again.
Poker is boring and sucks without real money. Bitshares X is the same. There is no way to test and understand market dynamics with fake money on a test net. No one will really push it (Alt being one of few exceptions) without skin in the game.
Case and point we had 16 dry runs where anyone could test the exchange and I'd bet there were maybe 20 testers max. No one cared to play with fake money.