BitShares Forum
Main => Stakeholder Proposals => Topic started by: xeroc on September 07, 2014, 10:03:14 am
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Hey friends,
I figured out that slates are very important for the trusted network of
delegates. I decided to pick some delegates that I personally trust and set up
a slate for them under delegate:
delegate.xeroc
If you vote for one of the delegates above you automatically also approve the
delegates below. Buy this we can span a web-of-trusted delegates. This also
enables delegates (by their slate-list) to quickly unapprove misbehaving
delegates. So if you run a delegate by your own, you should consider setting up
a own trusted-delegates slate list.
Furthermore, delegates that do not publish feeds will receive negative recommendation!
So MY PERSONAL list of trusted delegates is:
https://bitsharesblocks.com/delegate/slate?name=delegate.xeroc
Transaction id:
8dd3cb9b5bc1843d247679d52563fb7220fe6a31
e004df139b4d8c9489a5d6aca1857653de59ba74
1428146ff9f78a755129906ae485fb85cc652294
6334217f70e0a1c48a873c2ea7d51ed5d75f9b13
ea24f996b119a526f172481fe14bbebdbdda241e
a9d74e0a00501fcc81825bad838f8c872070f193
3533977ab0191f05942877811cc0f1fe946e4855
Most of them have prooven supporters of BitShares and are well known and
trusted members of the community.
I gave my best not to forget someone. So if you have the feeling you should be
on the list because just PM me.
Happy to see feedback but I am not going to publicly discuss any reason for
including or not including individual delegates. If you feel I just missed your
delegate, send my a PM.
Update:
Source code for slate update:
https://github.com/xeroc/pytshares/blob/master/myslates.py
https://github.com/xeroc/delegate-slate
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a.delegate.xeroc
b.delegate.xeroc
oh come on
Theses two are:
- not in the slate
- not to be vote up by anyone anymore https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7673.0
- I even messaged BM to make those two disappear from the active set of delegates
//edit: hehe .. was faster replying than you were in deleting it :)
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•a.delegate.charity
•b.delegate.charity
are also under your control. ^^
Yes they are and I hope to not see them in the active set of delegates soon:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7673.0
sorry xeroc but my concerns about delegates working as slates are growing more and more...
No need to apologize ... I'd like to discuss this
I do see the issue of centralization with users running more than a single delegate. But this has nothing to do with spanning a network of TRUST.
- I trust those guys above
- So you should do
- If you do not trust me, then do not vote for me
- if you do not trust any delegate in the slate, unapprove it individually or do not vote for my delegate
- if a delegate in the list misbehaves .. he will be kicked from the list
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:D
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I need to put together my own slate too. I've already voted for you so do I automatically inherit your slate? If you change your slate do I inherit those changes on my next "Vote All" transaction?
The slate is a great idea as new users haven't a clue who's who but may get to know one or two names on the forum.
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I need to put together my own slate too. I've already voted for you so do I automatically inherit your slate? If you change your slate do I inherit those changes on my next "Vote All" transaction?
I am not a 100% percent sure about old transaction .. but new transactions also vote for the delegates in that list .. (if you approved mine)
The slate is a great idea as new users haven't a clue who's who but may get to know one or two names on the forum.
*agreed*
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Just updates my list.
Source code with delegates can be found here:
Source code for slate update:
https://github.com/xeroc/pytshares/blob/master/myslates.py
!I will soon start kicking out delegates that do not publish price feeds!
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!I will soon start kicking out delegates that do not publish price feeds!
I think that's fair, seems to me that every delegate should at least have USD BTC and CNY feeds at the very minimum but it looks like almost half are still missing. Most should have the other feeds as well considering how easy alt's script has made it.
I'd recommend maybe checking feeds from delegates for a few days before banishing them from your list hah, just in case some delegates might be good but happen to have their script fail that particular day.
Also on your slate can you actively downvote delegates as well? Might be good to help get non productive delegates out of the top 101 faster.
Thanks for putting this slate together (and including me on it), I'll have to start looking into creating my own as well.
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I'd recommend maybe checking feeds from delegates for a few days before banishing them from your list hah, just in case some delegates might be good but happen to have their script fail that particular day.
When you run blockchain_get_feeds_from_delegate delegate.xeroc you get all feeds published .. EVER .. including timestamp. So at the very beginning I can completely kill all delegates from the list that do not have at least one feed ... can't tell you yet who those are .. gonna build a script tomorrow. Maybe do some statistics too .. let's see how easy this can go
Also on your slate can you actively downvote delegates as well? Might be good to help get non productive delegates out of the top 101 faster.
Hm .. very good question ... and honestly, I don't know for sure .. the whole slate, voting process is still a little unclear to me .. but I remember BM talking about it in one of the hangouts that was recorded .. so I might need to relisten to it again ..
Thanks for putting this slate together (and including me on it), I'll have to start looking into creating my own as well.
I think 'slates' are an awesome idea .. it help establish a web of trust and maybe I can figure some more things out and build some animation about this too .. seems to be a new project to learn a new coding language .. yet again ;)
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I just removed the those delegates that do not publish feeds (at all) and added a 'negative recommendation' (which cannot be part of the slate, technically)
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When we trust the person making the recommendations as much as we trust xeroc, I think this slate can be very useful. Thank you.
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auto feeding has been setup just now,i updated the feed manually before.
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auto feeding has been setup just now,i updated the feed manually before.
I see ... bad timing :) will get you added again in the next update
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I just pushed a new update.
Also created a script for others to create slates easily: https://github.com/xeroc/delegate-slate
Latest Output/list
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bts.fordream
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- del.coinhoarder
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev0.nikolai
- forum.lottocharity
- happyshares
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- marketing.methodx
- mr.agsexplorer
- skyscraperfarms
- spartako
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- wackou.digitalgaia
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: b58f8e7664f705dc36d5a08f4f4507758560247a
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Another update:
new delegates in the slate:
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- support.kettenblog
- del0.cass
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bts.fordream
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- del.coinhoarder
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev0.nikolai
- forum.lottocharity
- happyshares
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- marketing.methodx
- mr.agsexplorer
- skyscraperfarms
- spartako
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- wackou.digitalgaia
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- support.kettenblog
- del0.cass
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: 4f555c7d60327da905c564106f60bc4e13accced
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Another update for:
* mat608
* removed kettenblock (disappeared :( )
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bts.fordream
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- del.coinhoarder
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev0.nikolai
- forum.lottocharity
- happyshares
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- marketing.methodx
- mr.agsexplorer
- skyscraperfarms
- spartako
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- wackou.digitalgaia
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- del0.cass
- argentina-marketing.matt608
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: db5cee34a2a36010dde86a58971ab73583270485
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Thanks xeroc! :)
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Fantastic work!
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I just found this awesome post. So if I make my own slate, people voting for me automatically vote for delegates on my slate?
If so, I will encourage Korean people to vote for delegate.xeroc for better Bitshares incorporation :)
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I just found this awesome post. So if I make my own slate, people voting for me automatically vote for delegates on my slate?
If so, I will encourage Korean people to vote for delegate.xeroc for better Bitshares incorporation :)
Yep .. thats the purpose of slates ... i wrote a simple script for that purpose ... its linked at the end of the OP ..
I'd love to see more slates!!
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How dare you kick my delegates onto a fork and leave it there 8-)
Should be back on the main track .. sorry for the 2 days delay .. wifi was rare the last two days :( .. timing sucks .. I know
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Update:
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bts.fordream
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- del.coinhoarder
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev0.nikolai
- forum.lottocharity
- happyshares
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- marketing.methodx
- mr.agsexplorer
- skyscraperfarms
- spartako
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- wackou.digitalgaia
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- del0.cass
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- btstools.digitalgaia
- dev.sidhujag
- media-delegate
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- media.bitscape
- provisional.bitscape
- valzav.payroll.testz
- elmato
- blackwavelabs
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: 88ed833a426d96ad93a95553e870da8eaaae7bd4
New delegates:
- btstools.digitalgaia
- dev.sidhujag
- media-delegate
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- media.bitscape
- provisional.bitscape
- valzav.payroll.testz
- elmato
- blackwavelabs
Currently I am upvoting/including almost all delegate proposals until the bitshares ecosystem starts to evolve rapidly and I'd like to show the power of being #payedbyprotocol to external developers. Once competition becomes rough I will reconsider my policy quickly!
Thanks for using delegate.xeroc slate!
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Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- blackwavelabs
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- bts.fordream
- btstools.digitalgaia
- calabiyau
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- d1.yunbi
- d2.yunbi
- dacx.baozou
- del.coinhoarder
- del0.cass
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev.sidhujag
- dev0.nikolai
- developer.vikram
- elmato
- forum.lottocharity
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- happyshares
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- market.cn.group101
- marketing.methodx
- media-delegate
- media.bitscape
- mr.agsexplorer
- provisional.bitscape
- spartako
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- triox-delegate
- valzav.payroll.testz
- wackou.digitalgaia
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: 2597303ea7eef0e08e387085f6ac9fa07c15891a
welcome to:
- calabiyau
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.rgcrypto
- developer.vikram
- market.cn.group101
- d1.yunbi and d2.yunbi
- triox-delegate
- dacx.baozou
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
Removed:
- skyscraperfarms -- https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12217.msg161339#msg161339
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Update:
I welcome:
- market.cn.group101
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- delegate.ihashfury
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- www.bts-hk
- paid-delegate-cutoff.misc.nikolai
$ python main.py
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- blackwavelabs
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- bts.fordream
- btstools.digitalgaia
- calabiyau
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- d1.yunbi
- d2.yunbi
- dacx.baozou
- del.coinhoarder
- del0.cass
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.ihashfury
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev.sidhujag
- dev0.nikolai
- developer.vikram
- elmato
- forum.lottocharity
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- happyshares
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- market.cn.group101
- market.cn.group101
- marketing.methodx
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- media-delegate
- media.bitscape
- mr.agsexplorer
- paid-delegate-cutoff.misc.nikolai
- provisional.bitscape
- spartako
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- triox-delegate
- valzav.payroll.testz
- wackou.digitalgaia
- www.bts-hk
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: 0642a870197d34483d9f520233f591866dd5dda7
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Thank you for adding me to your delegate slate 8)
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welcome to:
- delegate.verbaltech
- dev-pc.bitcube
removed:
- blackwavelabs
log:
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- bts.fordream
- btstools.digitalgaia
- calabiyau
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- d1.yunbi
- d2.yunbi
- dacx.baozou
- del.coinhoarder
- del0.cass
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.ihashfury
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev.sidhujag
- dev0.nikolai
- developer.vikram
- elmato
- forum.lottocharity
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- happyshares
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- market.cn.group101
- market.cn.group101
- marketing.methodx
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- media-delegate
- media.bitscape
- mr.agsexplorer
- paid-delegate-cutoff.misc.nikolai
- provisional.bitscape
- spartako
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- triox-delegate
- valzav.payroll.testz
- wackou.digitalgaia
- www.bts-hk
- delegate.verbaltech
- dev-pc.bitcube
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: bb8d6dca127a878ca66647e1bff83c98eb74283b
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Update:
- removed both yunbi delegates until they step up and tell us what they contribute to the ecosystem!
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- bts.fordream
- btstools.digitalgaia
- calabiyau
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- dacx.baozou
- del.coinhoarder
- del0.cass
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.ihashfury
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- delegate.verbaltech
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- dev-pc.bitcube
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev.sidhujag
- dev0.nikolai
- developer.vikram
- elmato
- forum.lottocharity
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- happyshares
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- market.cn.group101
- market.cn.group101
- marketing.methodx
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- media.bitscape
- mr.agsexplorer
- paid-delegate-cutoff.misc.nikolai
- provisional.bitscape
- spartako
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- triox-delegate
- valzav.payroll.testz
- wackou.digitalgaia
- www.bts-hk
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: 5d578532f04afbb99a1d7bb360ce261c4351aa19
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Welcome to minebitshares-reloaded!
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- bts.fordream
- btstools.digitalgaia
- calabiyau
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- dacx.baozou
- del.coinhoarder
- del0.cass
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.ihashfury
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- delegate.verbaltech
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- dev-pc.bitcube
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev.sidhujag
- dev0.nikolai
- developer.vikram
- elmato
- forum.lottocharity
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- happyshares
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- market.cn.group101
- market.cn.group101
- marketing.methodx
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- media.bitscape
- mr.agsexplorer
- paid-delegate-cutoff.misc.nikolai
- provisional.bitscape
- spartako
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- triox-delegate
- valzav.payroll.testz
- wackou.digitalgaia
- www.bts-hk
- minebitshares-reloaded
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: 797a4682a4606227933d167cfc99bc9188b40017
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Welcome to
- kokojie
- holytransaction
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- bts.fordream
- btstools.digitalgaia
- calabiyau
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- dacx.baozou
- del.coinhoarder
- del0.cass
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.ihashfury
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- delegate.verbaltech
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- dev-pc.bitcube
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev.sidhujag
- dev0.nikolai
- developer.vikram
- elmato
- forum.lottocharity
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- happyshares
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- market.cn.group101
- market.cn.group101
- marketing.methodx
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- media.bitscape
- mr.agsexplorer
- paid-delegate-cutoff.misc.nikolai
- provisional.bitscape
- spartako
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- triox-delegate
- valzav.payroll.testz
- wackou.digitalgaia
- www.bts-hk
- minebitshares-reloaded
- kokojie
- holytransaction
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: 9eae8337ca58cfef4d2c8bd6b44ae798e9bacc38
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welcome sollywood.sollars-com
$ python main.py
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- bts.fordream
- btstools.digitalgaia
- calabiyau
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- dacx.baozou
- del.coinhoarder
- del0.cass
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.ihashfury
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- delegate.verbaltech
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- dev-pc.bitcube
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev.sidhujag
- dev0.nikolai
- developer.vikram
- elmato
- forum.lottocharity
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- happyshares
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- market.cn.group101
- market.cn.group101
- marketing.methodx
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- media.bitscape
- mr.agsexplorer
- paid-delegate-cutoff.misc.nikolai
- provisional.bitscape
- spartako
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- triox-delegate
- valzav.payroll.testz
- wackou.digitalgaia
- www.bts-hk
- minebitshares-reloaded
- kokojie
- holytransaction
- sollywood.sollars-com
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: b3711bd2236d1787e7b5d69d8087305c4a3d8a5c
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Update time:
- Removed toast's delegate(s)
- added delegate.dposhub-org (see latest nullstreet journal)
$ python main.py
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- bts.fordream
- btstools.digitalgaia
- calabiyau
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- dacx.baozou
- del.coinhoarder
- del0.cass
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.ihashfury
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- delegate.verbaltech
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- dev-pc.bitcube
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev.sidhujag
- developer.vikram
- elmato
- forum.lottocharity
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- happyshares
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- market.cn.group101
- market.cn.group101
- marketing.methodx
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- media.bitscape
- mr.agsexplorer
- provisional.bitscape
- spartako
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- triox-delegate
- valzav.payroll.testz
- wackou.digitalgaia
- www.bts-hk
- minebitshares-reloaded
- kokojie
- holytransaction
- sollywood.sollars-com
- delegate.dposhub-org
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: fb5fc53633dd12506d5635e4205671af40de95be
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Added:
- minebts1.bunkermining-com
- minebts2.bunkermining-com
- minebts3.bunkermining-com
- minebts4.bunkermining-com
- minebts5.bunkermining-com
- minebts6.bunkermining-com
- delegate.kencode
Go and do good!
Opening connection to client
Opening wallet delegate
Unlocking wallet
Unapproving all previously approve delegates
Approving trusted delegates
- a.delegate.charity
- alecmenconi
- angel.bitdelegate
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- b.delegate.charity
- backbone.riverhead
- bdnoble
- bitcoiners
- bitcube
- bitsuperlab.gentso
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- bts.fordream
- btstools.digitalgaia
- calabiyau
- clout-delegate1
- crazybit
- dacx.baozou
- del.coinhoarder
- del0.cass
- dele-puppy
- delegate-clayop
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- delegate.baozi
- delegate.charity
- delegate.ihashfury
- delegate.jabbajabba
- delegate.liondani
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- delegate.verbaltech
- delegate.xeldal
- delegate1.john-galt
- dev-metaexchange.monsterer
- dev-pc.bitcube
- dev.bitsharesblocks
- dev.sidhujag
- developer.vikram
- elmato
- forum.lottocharity
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- happyshares
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- luckybit
- maqifrnswa
- market.cn.group101
- market.cn.group101
- marketing.methodx
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- media.bitscape
- mr.agsexplorer
- provisional.bitscape
- spartako
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- testz
- titan.crazybit
- triox-delegate
- valzav.payroll.testz
- wackou.digitalgaia
- www.bts-hk
- minebitshares-reloaded
- kokojie
- holytransaction
- sollywood.sollars-com
- delegate.dposhub-org
- minebts1.bunkermining-com
- minebts2.bunkermining-com
- minebts3.bunkermining-com
- minebts4.bunkermining-com
- minebts5.bunkermining-com
- minebts6.bunkermining-com
- delegate.kencode
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: c61f82c58cf0144bd042fb268edb774def2a78db
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Not going to do good.. will do great though! :)
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xeroc sorry, when i started this post it seemed to be on topic, but now i'm not sure and i'm probably derailing your thread, but it looked like a good place to ask. just ask and i'll nuke this or move it to a more appropriate thread, if i can find one.
how many actual delegates are there now?
lately it seems a lot of people are running multiple delegates, some 5 or more (see above).
so we don't actually have 101 delegates, we have more like 20-40 that are running multiple delegates themselves?
once they get "trustworthy" enough, they can increase their delegates, get voted in until we're down to 10 individuals/groups making up the 101 delegates?
is this happening because of voter apathy?
is this a real concern or am i reading something into this (due to bitcoin's centralized mining pools)?
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xeroc sorry, when i started this post it seemed to be on topic, but now i'm not sure and i'm probably derailing your thread, but it looked like a good place to ask. just ask and i'll nuke this or move it to a more appropriate thread, if i can find one.
how many actual delegates are there now?
lately it seems a lot of people are running multiple delegates, some 5 or more (see above).
so we don't actually have 101 delegates, we have more like 20-40 that are running multiple delegates themselves?
once they get "trustworthy" enough, they can increase their delegates, get voted in until we're down to 10 individuals/groups making up the 101 delegates?
is this happening because of voter apathy?
is this a real concern or am i reading something into this (due to bitcoin's centralized mining pools)?
This is largely due to how DPOS 1.0 works and has been rather forced by the current market cap. I don't know how closely you been following BMs recent posts and hangouts, but in DPOS 2.0, the idea of one 'entity' having multiple delegates like this is going to go away in favor of 'worker/project' funding where the amount needed can be met by a single proposal, vs. the current delegate system that cannot meet the need largely due to the current market cap. The delegate landscape will be broken out into 3 entities that will better respond to the needs of the ecosystem.
The work and risk that goes into becoming a delegate, especially again at this market cap, just isn't worth it for most. I dont know how this is a result of voter apathy.. people are voting for the delegates they want to support.. and yes even multiple placements where needed and warranted for the project. Again though,all of this will change soon.. so the issues surrounding what we see today in regards to a single player controlling multiple spaces is moot.. keep in mind you are asking xeroc.. and I am answering.. both of us has multiple delegate spots right now :) ... and yes I am in the process of moving for more for a project that has proven to be the most effective new user driver for bitshares.. without it we can't grow it out at current market cap levels.
That's just my feedback anyways.. xeroc might have another take.
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This is largely due to how DPOS 1.0 works and has been rather forced by the current market cap. I don't know how closely you been following BMs recent posts and hangouts, but in DPOS 2.0, the idea of one 'entity' having multiple delegates like this is going to go away in favor of 'worker/project' funding where the amount needed can be met by a single proposal, vs. the current delegate system that cannot meet the need largely due to the current market cap. The delegate landscape will be broken out into 3 entities that will better respond to the needs of the ecosystem.
The work and risk that goes into becoming a delegate, especially again at this market cap, just isn't worth it for most. I dont know how this is a result of voter apathy.. people are voting for the delegates they want to support.. and yes even multiple placements where needed and warranted for the project. Again though,all of this will change soon.. so the issues surrounding what we see today in regards to a single player controlling multiple spaces is moot.. keep in mind you are asking xeroc.. and I am answering.. both of us has multiple delegate spots right now :) ... and yes I am in the process of moving for more for a project that has proven to be the most effective new user driver for bitshares.. without it we can't grow it out at current market cap levels.
That's just my feedback anyways.. xeroc might have another take.
I appreciate the detailed response! I do remember hearing something about the proposed new delegate system now that you bring it up, I had forgotten about it, so thanks. I was listening for an answer to a particular question on that session and everything else was background noise. I fully understand people needing multiple delegates to get by right now and have nothing against those with multiple delegates (they got there by a vote after all). The idea of multiple delegates just suddenly struck me as troublesome, since I was listening to Dr. Robert Murphy's talk (https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-212-hypercapitalsm-and-the-austrian-approach) and bitcoin's centralized mining came up.
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This is largely due to how DPOS 1.0 works and has been rather forced by the current market cap. I don't know how closely you been following BMs recent posts and hangouts, but in DPOS 2.0, the idea of one 'entity' having multiple delegates like this is going to go away in favor of 'worker/project' funding where the amount needed can be met by a single proposal, vs. the current delegate system that cannot meet the need largely due to the current market cap. The delegate landscape will be broken out into 3 entities that will better respond to the needs of the ecosystem.
The work and risk that goes into becoming a delegate, especially again at this market cap, just isn't worth it for most. I dont know how this is a result of voter apathy.. people are voting for the delegates they want to support.. and yes even multiple placements where needed and warranted for the project. Again though,all of this will change soon.. so the issues surrounding what we see today in regards to a single player controlling multiple spaces is moot.. keep in mind you are asking xeroc.. and I am answering.. both of us has multiple delegate spots right now :) ... and yes I am in the process of moving for more for a project that has proven to be the most effective new user driver for bitshares.. without it we can't grow it out at current market cap levels.
That's just my feedback anyways.. xeroc might have another take.
I appreciate the detailed response! I do remember hearing something about the proposed new delegate system now that you bring it up, I had forgotten about it, so thanks. I was listening for an answer to a particular question on that session and everything else was background noise. I fully understand people needing multiple delegates to get by right now and have nothing against those with multiple delegates (they got their by a vote after all). The idea of multiple delegates just suddenly struck me as troublesome, since I was listening to Dr. Robert Murphy's talk (https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-212-hypercapitalsm-and-the-austrian-approach) and bitcoin's centralized mining came up.
Bitcoin can't vote on who mines... so thats what happens.. far from the case here I think.
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xeroc sorry, when i started this post it seemed to be on topic, but now i'm not sure and i'm probably derailing your thread, but it looked like a good place to ask. just ask and i'll nuke this or move it to a more appropriate thread, if i can find one.
how many actual delegates are there now?
lately it seems a lot of people are running multiple delegates, some 5 or more (see above).
so we don't actually have 101 delegates, we have more like 20-40 that are running multiple delegates themselves?
You are absolutely right here ..
Adding bunkermining to my slate is for short-term development and media buzz and I wouldn't have added them if i didn't trust DataSecurityNode.
I also mentioned somewhere that having a startup be financed with BitShares dilution and requiring multiple delegates is a "flaw" in the system that will, however, be solved with the upcoming version of BitShares and the so called "workers" ... in essence, there will be block signers (101 individual) being payed with transaction fees and businesses/workers that are being payed by dilution ..
Again, adding bunkermining is a short-term solution to gain some more traction until the worker system (which is already implemented AFAIK) is out in the next BitShares version.
once they get "trustworthy" enough, they can increase their delegates, get voted in until we're down to 10 individuals/groups making up the 101 delegates?
is this happening because of voter apathy?
is this a real concern or am i reading something into this (due to bitcoin's centralized mining pools)?
I do understand your concerns .. and I thank you for asking theses questions. It there wasn't the "worker" proposal and an soonish(tm) release of BitShares that chances to a more flexible system, I wouldn't dare adding that set of delegates ... But I also do see the need for it to gain traction short-term.
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Thanks for the responses!
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adding
- chronos.payroll.lafona
removed
- holytransaction (not seeing any progress after 6 months)
Transactions ID: 67e4d65ac6d6fc6b04810d5aafea0d1e310e6b06
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Removed john galt's delegate
Transactions ID: 5eeda164846bfb72a71f762dfebd6a7ae4a923a4
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added bitspace-clains
Transactions ID: 5a83079ef829ccd1748f2c76f1780a7fbb052c54
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added bitspace-clains
Transactions ID: 5a83079ef829ccd1748f2c76f1780a7fbb052c54
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I removed all 3% delegates with no price feeds from my slate. These are:
* delegate.nathanhourt.com
* bitcoiners
* cny.bts500
* dac.bts500
* eur.bts500
* delegate.follow-my-vote
* delegate.webber
* dpos.crazybit
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I removed all 3% delegates with no price feeds from my slate.
Well done!
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I removed all 3% delegates with no price feeds from my slate.
Well done!
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I removed btstools.digitalgaia as per request: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,13837.msg230298.html#msg230298
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I gave all of you a chance to upgrade in time .. now I published a new slate
that contains all delegates that have a version 0.9.3(c) (including those that
are currently not in the top 101.
- delegate.xeroc
- bm.payroll.riverhead
- jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
- riverhead-del-server-1
- delegate.xeldal
- minebitshares-reloaded
- fuzzy.beyondbitcoin
- delegate.liondani
- minebts1.bunkermining-com
- mr.agsexplorer
- mrs.agsexplorer
- stan.delegate.xeldal
- boombastic
- delegate.btsnow
- delegate.verbaltech
- dpos.crazybit
- backbone.riverhead
- delegate-clayop
- dele-puppy
- delegate.kencode
- spartako
- delegate.follow-my-vote
- calabiyau
- dev-pc.bitcube
- maqifrnswa
- crazybit
- delegate.charity
- kokojie
- www.minebitshares-com
- fox
- wackou-delegate
- titan.crazybit
- www2.minebitshares-com
- a.delegate.charity
- ak
- delegate1.maqifrnswa
- payroll.delegate.xeroc
- anchor.crazybit
- delegate-dev2.btsnow
- delegate-dev1.btsnow
- delegate.nathanhourt.com
- delegate2.xeldal
- btstools.digitalgaia
- sollywood.sollars-com
- fund.bitsharesbreakout
- argentina-marketing.matt608
- delegate-dev3.btsnow
- spartako1
- marketing.methodx
- delegate-dev4.btsnow
- very.strong
- spartako2
- lead.giant
- tradebts.gulu
- minebts4.bunkermining-com
- minebts3.bunkermining-com
- delegated-proof-of-steak
- minebts6.bunkermining-com
- minebts2.bunkermining-com
- delegate.rgcrypto
- dacx.baozou
- minebts5.bunkermining-com
- dev.nathanhourt.com
- delegate.dposhub-org
- delegate.ihashfury
- bitcube
- triox-delegate
- martin-38ptswarrior-raum
- delegate3.xeldal
Broadcasting slate
Transactions ID: b7bc6bd6dc8601f7b565fc00fa91679caeab4c9c