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Main => General Discussion => Topic started by: MinerVato on September 11, 2014, 05:58:07 pm
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change to englisch - i know it is hard!
so far . you are the only one who are doing stuff for promotion delegates. what i would do is
- in the future there are a lot of delegates in different chains
- many need exposure
- people needs informationen
- you can capitalize on this in the future (maybe)
- build a mailinglist
- build a reputation
- build a delegatelist
- as more people will vote with your list you can make money from this
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Just keep on doing what you do, publish as many (original) articles as you can. Of course you won't see results day to day after you publish something but in time you'll notice your visitor stream will keep in increasing steadily. Then once they on your site you have to try to 'catch' them with something like for example what Shentist said a mailing list. With that you have a 'client' and you can be creative on what to do with that. [edit]You might want to consider running it from a dedicated domain as well if you get a little more popular. As long as you enjoy publishing it will be ok, if you're in it for the money alone I would recommend some other web activities.[/edit].
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Have a look at my brand new Blog http://kettenblog.wordpress.com (http://kettenblog.wordpress.com), just 3 days old.
I followed bitshares most passively since last year but with the release of BTSX i decided to support the DAC ecosystem more actively.
And since there is very less information about DACs and BitShares in german language on the web i decided to fill a bit this market niche.
There are over 125.000.000 million native german speaker out there and i hope to get some off them interested in the DAC ecosys.
There are only a few blog articles online yet, but while i`m writing this post the next article is already in work.
Oh and i set up an twitter account but its primarily to make the blog public.
If you want to honor my work, just follow me on https://twitter.com/KettenBlog (https://twitter.com/KettenBlog) and like my blog to create some buzz to the german community.
Regards
Vato
http://kettenblog.wordpress.com is now online since 53 days and the feedback is very positive so far.
This is my first blog but I knew before that it would be hard to keep me motivated over time without some kind of income from it wich is worth the mention.
I don't own a large or medium stake in any crypto so my interest in pushing them is somewhat limited to I would say "just for fun".
I have received about 100$ in donations since my Blog is online wich is about 10$ per article what is more or less depending on where you live in the world.
You know I'm only asking for your cryptos now, so what would you do if you would be in my shoes?
How would you motivate yourself from week to week to do what I do?
Or do you even think it is not worth spending the time? (more than 400hours since the beginning)
Micropayments denominated in BitUSD.
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Thanks for your hard work. Bitshares needs more websites.
I do think it is likely hard to monetize things like that to the point you actually find it worth your time. If you keep expecting to make some significant money then you will likely be let down. Blogs seem to pay off in the long run when you establish yourself as an expert in some area. Possibly your blog blows up and you can get make $$$ off ads when BTSX beats out BTC.
Maybe post your donation address in this thread and maybe you could get some more $ ? (but never... ever.. expect much.. because that leads to being letdown...)
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Thanks for your hard work. Bitshares needs more websites.
I do think it is likely hard to monetize things like that to the point you actually find it worth your time. If you keep expecting to make some significant money then you will likely be let down. Blogs seem to pay off in the long run when you establish yourself as an expert in some area. Possibly your blog blows up and you can get make $$$ off ads when BTSX beats out BTC.
Maybe post your donation address in this thread and maybe you could get some more $ ? (but never... ever.. expect much.. because that leads to being letdown...)
not sure why we dont have more crypto journalists coming to the hangouts to ask questions. I mean it is pretty much free content and when devs tip us for settting up these shindigs, we in turn will tip the journalists/crytpoenthusiasts in attendance. Id also have no concerns with putting up a link to your blog in the server. We need to all work toward mutual benefit for these things imo...so you have my offer to help where I can.
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Thanks for your hard work. Bitshares needs more websites.
I do think it is likely hard to monetize things like that to the point you actually find it worth your time. If you keep expecting to make some significant money then you will likely be let down. Blogs seem to pay off in the long run when you establish yourself as an expert in some area. Possibly your blog blows up and you can get make $$$ off ads when BTSX beats out BTC.
Maybe post your donation address in this thread and maybe you could get some more $ ? (but never... ever.. expect much.. because that leads to being letdown...)
not sure why we dont have more crypto journalists coming to the hangouts to ask questions. I mean it is pretty much free content and when devs tip us for settting up these shindigs, we in turn will tip the journalists/crytpoenthusiasts in attendance. Id also have no concerns with putting up a link to your blog in the server. We need to all work toward mutual benefit for these things imo...so you have my offer to help where I can.
Linking each others site will benefit both of your sites, imho. Additionally I do think both of you are doing the good work and mostly for free, as of now. Keep it up and good luck.
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Well I believe in BitShares no matter what or if I contribute to it.
I can understand that small stakeholders are not willing to donate for my work.
Even I wouldn't donate for myself with the tiny stake I hold.
I know I could gain more income by changing my articles to english, putting up mailing lists and provide more services to my readers.
But you are right to recall it to my mind, I will consider all of those actions.
But with every donation I do "not" get I am feeling more and more I'm only doing the dirt work for the big stakeholders wich are likely happy about every moron that's doing this job for free. Not?
I'am thinking the BitShares ecosystem is a "littlebit" my virtual company even nobody asked me to work for it. :)
And even if I would post my donations adress in here and I would receive some bucks wich would be nice anyway...
It wouldn't be what I would like to repeat every month. I really don't like to beg for money.
I think I have a good sense of justice and I would never ask my boss for extra money when I only did my day to day job.
Thx for your feedback and also thx for your good and mostly free work on your own projects.
And thanks for your support and all your handy hints.
Vato
PS: My real life company has invited me to ibiza the upcoming weekend to gain new motivation. :)
Hopefully i can refuel enough of my overall motivation to participate intense on the delegates election week.
Register a domain name and get like cheap hosting that will probably build up your brand.
In terms of layout think usability.
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Right back from the island I made a decision.
Could make it long but I don't wanna steal your time as my intentions are already well known.
I decided to freeze all my activities for BitShares including Blog, GoogleAds, Twitter and DAC promotions etc.
Keep going with your good work and stay motivated!
Cheers
Vato
may i can ask why you'll leave us?
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Right back from the island I made a decision.
Could make it long but I don't wanna steal your time as my intentions are already well known.
I decided to freeze all my activities for BitShares including Blog, GoogleAds, Twitter and DAC promotions etc.
Keep going with your good work and stay motivated!
Cheers
Vato
You just need to find the way to profitability Vato...trial and error.
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Thanks for your hard work. Bitshares needs more websites.
I do think it is likely hard to monetize things like that to the point you actually find it worth your time. If you keep expecting to make some significant money then you will likely be let down. Blogs seem to pay off in the long run when you establish yourself as an expert in some area. Possibly your blog blows up and you can get make $$$ off ads when BTSX beats out BTC.
Maybe post your donation address in this thread and maybe you could get some more $ ? (but never... ever.. expect much.. because that leads to being letdown...)
not sure why we dont have more crypto journalists coming to the hangouts to ask questions. I mean it is pretty much free content and when devs tip us for settting up these shindigs, we in turn will tip the journalists/crytpoenthusiasts in attendance. Id also have no concerns with putting up a link to your blog in the server. We need to all work toward mutual benefit for these things imo...so you have my offer to help where I can.
Linking each others site will benefit both of your sites, imho. Additionally I do think both of you are doing the good work and mostly for free, as of now. Keep it up and good luck.
That is one of the things i've been hinting at. We have MANY people doing good work for free...all scattered about. For the first few pushes, we need to have a team that can go into formation and punch ahead.
I am all in the spirit of decentralization, but there are so many dang synergistic relationships possible here and it is too small to be effectively decentralized--yet. We might as all form like Voltron. As a matter of fact, Beyondbitcoinx.net already has DACZine and NullStreet up there--talk to Jabba so you can get registered! For Free I might add. This is about how we can all work together...use all our talents to at the very least build a solid foundation for bitshares to push past 1 Billion. If we work together early on and build this foundation, we will all be able to ethically do what we love.
As a unified force... This isn't even mentioning helping eachother with SEO's and web-presence to bring in NEW members to the bitshares ecosystem.
*BTW...I will put any Cryptojournalist's Delegate on the Mumble Slate free of charge*
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Thanks for your hard work. Bitshares needs more websites.
I do think it is likely hard to monetize things like that to the point you actually find it worth your time. If you keep expecting to make some significant money then you will likely be let down. Blogs seem to pay off in the long run when you establish yourself as an expert in some area. Possibly your blog blows up and you can get make $$$ off ads when BTSX beats out BTC.
Maybe post your donation address in this thread and maybe you could get some more $ ? (but never... ever.. expect much.. because that leads to being letdown...)
not sure why we dont have more crypto journalists coming to the hangouts to ask questions. I mean it is pretty much free content and when devs tip us for settting up these shindigs, we in turn will tip the journalists/crytpoenthusiasts in attendance. Id also have no concerns with putting up a link to your blog in the server. We need to all work toward mutual benefit for these things imo...so you have my offer to help where I can.
Linking each others site will benefit both of your sites, imho. Additionally I do think both of you are doing the good work and mostly for free, as of now. Keep it up and good luck.
That is one of the things i've been hinting at. We have MANY people doing good work for free...all scattered about. For the first few pushes, we need to have a team that can go into formation and punch ahead.
I am all in the spirit of decentralization, but there are so many dang synergistic relationships possible here. We might as well do it. Well...as a matter of fact, Beyondbitcoinx.net already has DACZine and NullStreet up there. For Free I might add. This is about how we can all work together...use all our talents to at the very least build a solid foundation for bitshares to push past 1 Billion.
As a unified force, we can do that. What's even better? We can help eachother with SEO's and web-presence to bring in NEW members.
I think these businesses just need to find profitability and then people will stick around.
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Right back from the island I made a decision.
Could make it long but I don't wanna steal your time as my intentions are already well known.
I decided to freeze all my activities for BitShares including Blog, GoogleAds, Twitter and DAC promotions etc.
Keep going with your good work and stay motivated!
Cheers
Vato
That is very unfortunate .. we all enjoyed reading your work..
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For some reason the whole crypto space is sorely lacking affiliate programs.
This will change in time.
I am running a bitcoin promotion in november with over $20,000 in prizes. I hope to give away $50k in commissions too. It will all be in English though.
In the follow ups everyone will be introduced to bitshares as well.
If you are interested check it out here.
http://affiliate.successcouncil.com/signup/signup.php
Same goes for everyone else. :)
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My initial hope was I3 would recognize my work and I could grab some kind of sponsorship from their promotion funds.
But on some point I notized that they are not willing to recognize me and I would never gain any financial support from them.
Don't know if my style is incompatible or my quality of work is just too bad but I can't remember they ever replied or commented to my work.
However I than tried to gather donations from the community on many ways what ended in the expectable low result.
I am not sure what has to happen for I3 to open the pot .. never actually heard or read about a promotion fund :-\
I also don't receive any financial support .. here and there some little PTS or bitUSD from single individuals .. but I also never asked for any funds .. so thats ok for me .. I think it is pretty difficult to base a business on 'donations' .. not only because this community is still small compared to let's say bigger open source projects
Maybe I had become a little obsessed by BitShares and the big idea behind it, but as earlier said I'm not a large stakeholder nor I'm willing to buy a larger stake in BitShares.
I feel a little addicted to the forum but also am not a big stakeholder. Still I'd like to learn that stuff and find acknowledgment through wisdom (that sounds weird) :-)
We all have/had our motivation to participate in BitShares and mine was never to do it for free.
Oh .. that was communicated badly I must confess.
Now I could start to intensify my work and do many things more to buildup my reputation but I never realy planned to do this stuff full time.
It just happend that I currently have a lot of free time .. gonna change soon enough .. Until then I will try to help out the community ..
Citation from http://bitshares.org/faq
Why would a DAC developer honor PTS/AGS holders with additional shares?
By giving part of their new DAC to holders of PTS and AGS holders, the developer immediately puts their DAC in the hands of a motivated community that believes in the concepts of DACs and now has a financial incentive to see that they increase in value as well as profitability.
This requires at first that the community owns a motivating stake in PTS/AGS wich it is not in my case, my bad.
That doesn't imply you cannot be part of the community :-\
But hey I learned a lot :P (It is I not i and ' not ` in english)
That is exactly what motivates me .. it's not giving support (that sucks from time to time) .. what is fascinating is to learn how that stuff works .. And as I already know a little about it .. and have some spare time (currently) I can make use of my knowledge and do some support ..
However, I feel sorry you did not find enough motivating acknowledgment and positive feedback to continue your work ..
but I can understand your reasonings ...
I hope you will yet stick around ..
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You can always slow down on the work significantly without abandoning it. I definitely wouldn't trash it though. Just maybe update it when a DAC comes out ? It'd be nice if you grabbed a nice domain, age it, update once every couple weeks or something. You might have a decent google search ranking ?
It is a shame you didn't feel appreciated. It can be like that. Dunno...
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For some reason the whole crypto space is sorely lacking affiliate programs.
This will change in time.
I am running a bitcoin promotion in november with over $20,000 in prizes. I hope to give away $50k in commissions too. It will all be in English though.
In the follow ups everyone will be introduced to bitshares as well.
If you are interested check it out here.
http://affiliate.successcouncil.com/signup/signup.php
Same goes for everyone else. :)
I've been thinking the same thing for months! If there was some sort of affiliate incentive to promote crypto, it would be everywhere. Maybe if there was some sort of referral program for people who download the exchange/wallet... The program would pay commissions in BTSX or BitAssets and only to referrals who put XYZ amount of BTSX in their wallet.
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There are many things that do not give return to the individual but would give returns to BitShares as a whole. I3 has had some difficulty understanding these things, perhaps they don't like the idea that they currently have to resolve all tragedies of the commons until the delegates get enough pay.
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Right back from the island I made a decision.
Could make it long but I don't wanna steal your time as my intentions are already well known.
I decided to freeze all my activities for BitShares including Blog, GoogleAds, Twitter and DAC promotions etc.
Keep going with your good work and stay motivated!
Cheers
Vato
That is very unfortunate .. we all enjoyed reading your work..
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Vato, (if I may call you that?)
What are you going to do with your delegate listing ? How was it generated ? If you don't keep it up, do you think you could open source the code you used to generate it ?
I've been wanting to see a centralized list of delegates. Some with info you can pull from the blockchain but tied in with other social based metrics. I'd hate to see your work wasted. svk did some similar work too.
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Vato, (if I may call you that?)
What are you going to do with your delegate listing ? How was it generated ? If you don't keep it up, do you think you could open source the code you used to generate it ?
I've been wanting to see a centralized list of delegates. Some with info you can pull from the blockchain but tied in with other social based metrics. I'd hate to see your work wasted. svk did some similar work too.
This would be indeed great, if you could publish source code!