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Title: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: engzks on November 19, 2013, 10:29:41 am
http://btsblock.com/chain/ProtoShares?count=100&hi=21633
 79 out of 100 recent transactions only contain 1 tx.

 >:(

Appearently not only ypool but also ptspool.com that only include 1 tx in the blocks.
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: MisO69 on November 19, 2013, 02:04:25 pm
Being a complete noob; What does that mean and what are the consequences of such actions?
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: markj113 on November 19, 2013, 02:07:53 pm
means the pools are only adding one tx to a block resulting in long confirmation times when you transfer PTS
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: mitao on November 19, 2013, 02:09:25 pm
It will make the blockchain very unhealthy.


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Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: Stan on November 19, 2013, 02:11:35 pm
Being a complete noob; What does that mean and what are the consequences of such actions?

The job of miners is to do the work of the network, for which they get paid in mined shares.  Instead of processing all our transactions, doing just one transaction per block is doing as little work as possible and still getting paid.  So everything is slow because most of the "workers" are just standing around leaning on their shovels.   :)
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: MisO69 on November 19, 2013, 07:53:23 pm
Thanks for the explanations guys.
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: Wolf0 on November 22, 2013, 11:15:39 pm
Being a complete noob; What does that mean and what are the consequences of such actions?

The job of miners is to do the work of the network, for which they get paid in mined shares.  Instead of processing all our transactions, doing just one transaction per block is doing as little work as possible and still getting paid.  So everything is slow because most of the "workers" are just standing around leaning on their shovels.   :)

Not really. They're doing the same amount of work whether or not they include transactions. It's actually beneficial for them to add transactions, as they get paid in fees.
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: ruletheworld on November 22, 2013, 11:57:20 pm
Being a complete noob; What does that mean and what are the consequences of such actions?

The job of miners is to do the work of the network, for which they get paid in mined shares.  Instead of processing all our transactions, doing just one transaction per block is doing as little work as possible and still getting paid.  So everything is slow because most of the "workers" are just standing around leaning on their shovels.   :)

Not really. They're doing the same amount of work whether or not they include transactions. It's actually beneficial for them to add transactions, as they get paid in fees.
Right. Which brings up an interesting point - why is this happening?
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: bytemaster on November 23, 2013, 12:30:48 am
Being a complete noob; What does that mean and what are the consequences of such actions?

The job of miners is to do the work of the network, for which they get paid in mined shares.  Instead of processing all our transactions, doing just one transaction per block is doing as little work as possible and still getting paid.  So everything is slow because most of the "workers" are just standing around leaning on their shovels.   :)

Not really. They're doing the same amount of work whether or not they include transactions. It's actually beneficial for them to add transactions, as they get paid in fees.
Right. Which brings up an interesting point - why is this happening?

Either the majority of ypool's miners are slow to upgrade, ypool is slow to enforce the upgrade, or ypool miners don't care about the network... or something else? 
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: Wolf0 on November 23, 2013, 02:51:34 pm
Being a complete noob; What does that mean and what are the consequences of such actions?

The job of miners is to do the work of the network, for which they get paid in mined shares.  Instead of processing all our transactions, doing just one transaction per block is doing as little work as possible and still getting paid.  So everything is slow because most of the "workers" are just standing around leaning on their shovels.   :)

Not really. They're doing the same amount of work whether or not they include transactions. It's actually beneficial for them to add transactions, as they get paid in fees.
Right. Which brings up an interesting point - why is this happening?

Either the majority of ypool's miners are slow to upgrade, ypool is slow to enforce the upgrade, or ypool miners don't care about the network... or something else?

I don't think miners get to decide whether or not to include transactions. The pool gives them a block header to hash, and they hash it.
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: victor on November 24, 2013, 12:11:58 am
This is a serious problem! Damn the selfish ypool! >:(  >:( >:(
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: victor on November 24, 2013, 12:51:02 am
No transactions for 1.5 hours... This coin is going to die if we don't fix this issue ASAP.

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Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: bytemaster on November 24, 2013, 02:25:32 am
I just did some research... and it is clear y pool is including transactions in many of its blocks, and it also appears that many transactions are being included in the network.

I believe that there is enough competition in the market to have these transaction problems correct themselves.
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: doesntmatter on November 24, 2013, 02:41:50 am
so imma guess that ws bytemaster with the new gpu miner!!! proving the network can still be overpowered with a gpu? single transaction? hmmmmm?
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: dannotestein on November 24, 2013, 03:03:10 am
so imma guess that ws bytemaster with the new gpu miner!!! proving the network can still be overpowered with a gpu? single transaction? hmmmmm?
Perhaps I'm getting jaded, but doesntmatter's posts are so off-base from the reality, I'm actually starting to find them amusing :-) All hail Bytemaster, the new Illuminati master!
Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: HackFisher on November 24, 2013, 04:36:02 am
Do pts transactions has fees? fee is important.
I just did some research... and it is clear y pool is including transactions in many of its blocks, and it also appears that many transactions are being included in the network.

I believe that there is enough competition in the market to have these transaction problems correct themselves.

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Title: Re: About 80% of blocks contain only 1 tx
Post by: bytemaster on November 24, 2013, 04:44:45 am
Do pts transactions has fees? fee is important.
I just did some research... and it is clear y pool is including transactions in many of its blocks, and it also appears that many transactions are being included in the network.

I believe that there is enough competition in the market to have these transaction problems correct themselves.

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Fees are set at bitcoin levels which may be too low at today's prices.  I suspect that once PTS gets to $100 the fees will be about right.  If this continues to be a problem, then the next release of our client will increase the fees as a means to provide a carrot to miners.