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Title: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: johncitizen on September 12, 2014, 06:05:58 am
Dont think its just me but shouldn't we have our BitAssets up on coinmarketcap?

Each asset once created and actively traded should have its own special place on the cap. In future when BitAssets become wide spread we may even need to collectively combine into an index e.g the "Bit10"! (something more catchy of course). Not sure of the technicals but I dont think this is too early.

Should they have their own domains or link to an asset register? Could be a bit of marketing to play with here but what a great way to display bitshares assets.

Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: bitcoinerS on September 12, 2014, 06:30:32 am
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Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: serejandmyself on September 12, 2014, 06:39:42 am
Dont think its just me but shouldn't we have our BitAssets up on coinmarketcap?

Each asset once created and actively traded should have its own special place on the cap. In future when BitAssets become wide spread we may even need to collectively combine into an index e.g the "Bit10"! (something more catchy of course). Not sure of the technicals but I dont think this is too early.

Should they have their own domains or link to an asset register? Could be a bit of marketing to play with here but what a great way to display bitshares assets.

I think its been brought up already in a few topics and i totaly agree. Maybe we can ask CMC to have a sub cap on bitshares X where it would display assets market cap.

On the other hand right now to see the market cap people need to go to bitsharesblocks, which is good, as it creates some sort of hype round a "local" website
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: xeroc on September 12, 2014, 06:49:09 am
the "market cap" of the bitUSD is part of the market cap of BTSX .. so either you cheat on all the people that thing those are independent markets .. or you have to clearly state that the bitUSD is part of btsx

once the bitUSD gets traded (shorted) on other DACs (MUSIC) too .. things get VERY messy
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: bitcoinerS on September 12, 2014, 09:07:57 am
the "market cap" of the bitUSD is part of the market cap of BTSX .. so either you cheat on all the people that thing those are independent markets .. or you have to clearly state that the bitUSD is part of btsx

once the bitUSD gets traded (shorted) on other DACs (MUSIC) too .. things get VERY messy

Current market cap of BitUSD is $497,780 and it is distinct from BTSX. BitUSD is backed by BTSX, but not 'part of'.

Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: drekrob on September 12, 2014, 09:46:04 am
The shorts count as negative BitUSD so the amount of BitUSD is zero all the time.
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: bobohuy on September 12, 2014, 10:03:04 am
Can coinmarketcap implement a down arrow next to btsx? When user click to the arrow, a list of bitasset will be appeared with their marketcap ? So it implies that all bitAsset included in btsx.
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: serejandmyself on September 12, 2014, 10:37:30 am
the "market cap" of the bitUSD is part of the market cap of BTSX .. so either you cheat on all the people that thing those are independent markets .. or you have to clearly state that the bitUSD is part of btsx

once the bitUSD gets traded (shorted) on other DACs (MUSIC) too .. things get VERY messy

Current market cap of BitUSD is $497,780 and it is distinct from BTSX. BitUSD is backed by BTSX, but not 'part of'.

im trying to understand that now actually - is bitassets MC a part of btsx MC or is it a seperate one? on one hand the assets are "inside" the platform so they are included in btsx MC.
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: xeroc on September 12, 2014, 10:52:29 am
the "market cap" of the bitUSD is part of the market cap of BTSX .. so either you cheat on all the people that thing those are independent markets .. or you have to clearly state that the bitUSD is part of btsx

once the bitUSD gets traded (shorted) on other DACs (MUSIC) too .. things get VERY messy

Current market cap of BitUSD is $497,780 and it is distinct from BTSX. BitUSD is backed by BTSX, but not 'part of'.
It seems I still need to learn alot about the economical part here :-) thanks for pointing it out ..
but .. in theory .. could it be possible for bitUSD to have a higher cap than btsx?
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: biophil on September 12, 2014, 02:03:21 pm
the "market cap" of the bitUSD is part of the market cap of BTSX .. so either you cheat on all the people that thing those are independent markets .. or you have to clearly state that the bitUSD is part of btsx

once the bitUSD gets traded (shorted) on other DACs (MUSIC) too .. things get VERY messy

Current market cap of BitUSD is $497,780 and it is distinct from BTSX. BitUSD is backed by BTSX, but not 'part of'.
It seems I still need to learn alot about the economical part here :-) thanks for pointing it out ..
but .. in theory .. could it be possible for bitUSD to have a higher cap than btsx?

No, bitAssets can't ever have a higher cap than BTSX. Also, I could see an argument that bitAssets are contained within the market cap of BTSX, because for every bitUSD, there are at least 1.5 dollars' worth of BTSX tied up in collateral, effectively removed from the share supply.

So, if we want to be (needlessly, imo) precise on CMC, we really should be reporting the total BTSX supply as the actual total supply minus whatever is tied up as collateral.

Seems like some of the arguments here for NOT listing bitUSD on CMC hinge on the fact that there would be some kind of logical inconsistency about it: the net bitUSD value is zero, etc etc. But I'd fully support getting it listed as-is, with no caveats, for two reasons: 1) cheap marketing exposure, and 2) it will neatly showcase the market peg in action: people will be able to see 1 bitUSD = 1 USD.

Market cap isn't really a very useful measure anyway, except that it gives you bragging rights and free advertising on CMC. Let's not get hung up on the pedantic little details...

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Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: xeroc on September 12, 2014, 02:08:33 pm
So, if we want to be (needlessly, imo) precise on CMC, we really should be reporting the total BTSX supply as the actual total supply minus whatever is tied up as collateral.
*agreed*

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Seems like some of the arguments here for NOT listing bitUSD on CMC hinge on the fact that there would be some kind of logical inconsistency about it: the net bitUSD value is zero, etc etc. But I'd fully support getting it listed as-is, with no caveats, for two reasons: 1) cheap marketing exposure, and 2) it will neatly showcase the market peg in action: people will be able to see 1 bitUSD = 1 USD.
If we can get the above point done first .. than this is the way to go!! awesome proposal

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Market cap isn't really a very useful measure anyway, except that it gives you bragging rights and free advertising on CMC. Let's not get hung up on the pedantic little details...
*agreed* .. but let's take that free marketing boost :-)
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: merockstar on September 12, 2014, 09:13:15 pm
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg8796133#msg8796133

Hi Gliss.

Would you consider adding BitShares X BitAssets to coinmarketcap?

Currently, BitUSD exists, and apparently has a market cap of about half a million. BitBTC also exists but I'm uncertain of it's market cap.
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: gamey on September 12, 2014, 10:13:42 pm

Robrigo suggested in the mumble hangout that we possibly we talk Gliss into having a separate tab for BitAssets.  I really like this idea once the market starts to take off.  No clue what it would take to have him do this, but it would be huge IMO. 
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: robrigo on September 12, 2014, 10:35:30 pm

Robrigo suggested in the mumble hangout that we possibly we talk Gliss into having a separate tab for BitAssets.  I really like this idea once the market starts to take off.  No clue what it would take to have him do this, but it would be huge IMO.

I put forth the idea in his thread a bit ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg8796625#msg8796625

If it's a considerable amount of effort I feel as though we could come through as a community to donate to a small dev fund to "encourage" the maintainer Gliss.
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: xeroc on September 15, 2014, 01:59:25 pm
Update:
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/

But bitUSD/bitCNY are not yet listed ... who can change that?
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: testz on September 15, 2014, 03:09:05 pm
Update:
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/

But bitUSD/bitCNY are not yet listed ... who can change that?

I will try...
Update: Sent message to Gliss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61526)
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: testz on September 17, 2014, 02:10:10 pm
Update:
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/

But bitUSD/bitCNY are not yet listed ... who can change that?

I will try...
Update: Sent message to Gliss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61526)

Get reply from Gliss: "Willl add soon, thanks!"
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: biophil on September 17, 2014, 02:28:04 pm
Update:
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/

But bitUSD/bitCNY are not yet listed ... who can change that?

I will try...
Update: Sent message to Gliss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61526)

Get reply from Gliss: "Willl add soon, thanks!"

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Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: liondani on September 17, 2014, 02:37:21 pm
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Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: svk on September 17, 2014, 05:01:27 pm
I've setup a json feed for Gliss to use on Coinmarketcap with info on BTSX supply as well as some more detailed info for each market issued asset:
Hopefully this will ensure a correct supply in the primary listing, and make it easy for him to maintain updated info on the various market assets.
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: xeroc on September 17, 2014, 05:20:12 pm
AwEsOmE!
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: maqifrnswa on September 17, 2014, 05:45:13 pm
Update:
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/

But bitUSD/bitCNY are not yet listed ... who can change that?

this is good, I like this.
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: unimercio on September 18, 2014, 06:05:08 pm
I've setup a json feed for Gliss to use on Coinmarketcap with info on BTSX supply as well as some more detailed info for each market issued asset:
  • Current supply
  • Average price
  • Ask and bid depth
Hopefully this will ensure a correct supply in the primary listing, and make it easy for him to maintain updated info on the various market assets.

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Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: bitcoinerS on September 18, 2014, 06:50:02 pm
I've setup a json feed for Gliss to use on Coinmarketcap with info on BTSX supply as well as some more detailed info for each market issued asset:
  • Current supply
  • Average price
  • Ask and bid depth
Hopefully this will ensure a correct supply in the primary listing, and make it easy for him to maintain updated info on the various market assets.

Mind sharing  link to the json feed with us?
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: svk on September 20, 2014, 07:06:33 am
I've setup a json feed for Gliss to use on Coinmarketcap with info on BTSX supply as well as some more detailed info for each market issued asset:
  • Current supply
  • Average price
  • Ask and bid depth
Hopefully this will ensure a correct supply in the primary listing, and make it easy for him to maintain updated info on the various market assets.

Mind sharing  link to the json feed with us?

The idea was to keep it private for only Coinmarketcap to use to reduce stress on my server, it's limited info compared to what's available on my site anyway. Do you need it for something in particular?
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: bitcoinerS on September 20, 2014, 07:28:07 am
I've setup a json feed for Gliss to use on Coinmarketcap with info on BTSX supply as well as some more detailed info for each market issued asset:
  • Current supply
  • Average price
  • Ask and bid depth
Hopefully this will ensure a correct supply in the primary listing, and make it easy for him to maintain updated info on the various market assets.

Mind sharing  link to the json feed with us?

The idea was to keep it private for only Coinmarketcap to use to reduce stress on my server, it's limited info compared to what's available on my site anyway. Do you need it for something in particular?

Not really. Other exchanges may need this data at some point when they list bitassets.
Title: Re: BitAssets on coinmarketcap
Post by: svk on September 20, 2014, 01:32:04 pm
I've setup a json feed for Gliss to use on Coinmarketcap with info on BTSX supply as well as some more detailed info for each market issued asset:
  • Current supply
  • Average price
  • Ask and bid depth
Hopefully this will ensure a correct supply in the primary listing, and make it easy for him to maintain updated info on the various market assets.

Mind sharing  link to the json feed with us?

The idea was to keep it private for only Coinmarketcap to use to reduce stress on my server, it's limited info compared to what's available on my site anyway. Do you need it for something in particular?

Not really. Other exchanges may need this data at some point when they list bitassets.

Ok, well if you ever think someone needs access to the feed for an exchange or otherwise, just PM me and I'll hook them up.