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thanks for bringing this up.
until there is a product, i don't think people will be very sympathetic

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General Discussion / Re:T shirt DAC
« on: March 07, 2014, 06:22:02 pm »
Do we get dividends on the sale of T-shirts?
You've just initialized the T-shirt DAC. I like this site: http://www.zazzle.co.uk/ - they make custom anything. Quite good for looking up ideas on this theme.
T-Shirt DAC reporting in. Beep beep beep beep beep

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General Discussion / Re: Meme collection
« on: March 07, 2014, 03:49:43 pm »
this sort of ties in with the "These t-shirts are bad" thread. This stuff is just really, really bad.  i think we need to completely stop with the meme thing.

here are examples, i literally just typed these dumb things off the top of my head just to show how trite this is.  this should not be a thing.

Ok so most of yours were really bad, but some were worth a smile  :) The idea is not to create a meme just to spam everyone so please dont do that just to make a point. It would be cool of you to modify your post to remove the memes you yourself dont like.

If you think the memes are bad, then think of a better one or think of an alternative. Dont just be a negative presence. For example Toast has a thread for coming up with some new T-shirt ideas.

Opposing views are important by empty complaining and negativity is not constructive.

This idea is to find some that are really good. If we get some  +5% for one of them I can float it to the top.

Other than that its just a space where we can have a bit of fun and try to think creatively.

You not against fun and creativity are you?
you're right, i am being negative. i'm not a negative person, i swear. i just don't want us to become known as spammers on other forums. it isn't a good reputation to have. having fun and thinking is a good thing, if we recognize this as that and not as a marketing effort.

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General Discussion / Re: These T-shirts are bad.
« on: March 07, 2014, 02:18:30 pm »
I was at the conference, and I got one of the "The revolution will not be centralized" shirts.  Some of the others I would never wear, but I saw other people who really liked them.  A lot of this is personal tastes and preferences, and targeting a wide range isn't a bad thing.
yeah, the shirt about decentralization is the one that is decent

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General Discussion / Re: Meme collection
« on: March 07, 2014, 01:52:51 pm »
this sort of ties in with the "These t-shirts are bad" thread. This stuff is just really, really bad.  i think we need to completely stop with the meme thing.

here are examples, i literally just typed these dumb things off the top of my head just to show how trite this is.  this should not be a thing.












and one that is, maybe, kind of funny






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General Discussion / Re: These T-shirts are bad.
« on: March 07, 2014, 01:42:31 pm »
they may be good programmers, but the messaging is just...it's just really bad. everything seems like something i might have come up with while sitting in my parent's basement while at home from a college break. or it kind of reminds me of the early days of the internet when the guy who kind of knew HTML would come up with the design for your website and you'd have these spinning GIFs, or unnecessary frames (when html 3.0 came along), and everything just looked silly in general.

for $50,000, you could hire a legit marketing firm to do meaningful branding.

as it stands, they would be better of just not even trying.  the whole image is cheapened

in this example, a shirt that said bitshares in courier font and nothing else would be far better than anything in that picture.

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Okay, so this is not exactly what was asked for, but I completely rewrote the Beyond Bitcoin Summit copy. I am not clever enough to figure out github, unfortunately.

This is my recommendation. I think it is an improvement worth considering.
_____________________
Change all copy at http://invictus.io/devcon.php to the following:

“The Bitcoin meteor is going to smash the FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate) sectors.” (Max Keiser, RT International)

Beyond Bitcoin Summit is ground zero. Join us at the first-ever event dedicated to the future of blockchain-based businesses.

In September 2013, Invictus pioneered the idea of moving Bitcoin’s blockchain technology far, far beyond currency. This idea is known as the Decentralized Autonomous Corporation (DAC). Today, everyone from Mastercoin to Ethereum is exploring this revolutionary technology.

Join us at the Beyond Bitcoin Summit, the first event dedicated to the future of blockchain-based businesses. We are calling on entrepreneurs, investors, and software developers to join us in Las Vegas, where we will assemble unique content and opportunities never before seen at any Bitcoin conference. You will learn the secrets to building a successful and profitable decentralized business and have the opportunity to bring together the talent and capital needed to launch your own venture.

Invictus is leading the way with our BitShares X platform, which is an incorruptible and decentralized blockchain-based bank and exchange. But this is only the beginning. The opportunities in this space reach beyond what anyone can currently imagine. Other business models might include voting, auctions, domains, intellectual property, gambling, insurance, and even governance. Anyone with an understanding of the concepts at this summit can launch a revolutionary and profitable new business.

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General Discussion / Re: Creating a DAC that sells juice
« on: March 01, 2014, 03:17:17 am »
This thread will become one of the threads from which I will draw content for explanations in a video.  For all involved in this conversation, Please add your PTS (or other preferred "alt"coin) to your signature so individuals can donate if they especially appreciate your contribution.
too cool. this exercise definitely helped me to understand what a DAC is and isn't

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 28, 2014, 02:55:00 pm »
let's think about the metaphor...a 'wallet'

what is in my wallet? cash. a driver's license. a credit card. i can give my wallet to a stranger and without my saying anything they understand what it is and they can spend my money.

the interface looks nice, powerful, etc, but i wouldn't call it a wallet.

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General Discussion / Re: DAC Power for Offline Businesses
« on: February 25, 2014, 01:53:29 pm »
Having had contracts and arbitration decisions overturned in court I have learned to have no respect at all for contracts.    Instead assume the people you are doing business with are independent nations with their own courts and assume that if they back out of a deal there is nothing you can do about it  *except* share the information with others. 
Does this mean that a company would be completely reliant on its reputation? In normal contract negotiations, two honest parties can have disagreements about what it is they originally agreed to. It isn't as simple as people or companies being 'good' or 'bad.'

Like if I contract with you to rebuild a wall and I assume you know that I want the wall to be brick, but you come in and rebuild the wall with stone, because you assumed that I wanted stone. I'm pissed that I have a stone wall instead of brick but you aren't going to redo all of your work. We both proceeded in good faith from the start, but here we are, pissed at each other and ready to shred each others reputation.

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General Discussion / Re: DAC Power for Offline Businesses
« on: February 24, 2014, 08:33:24 pm »
I'm wondering out loud about this same question in my Juice Factory thread. I still have no idea. My plan is to think about it some more.

What does it mean to honor the social contract as a traditional product- or service-driven business?  If I'm crowdfunding for my juice factory, what holds me to JuiceCoin holders after the factory is up and running? That's why it might not quite work in this application.

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General Discussion / Re: Creating a DAC that sells juice
« on: February 24, 2014, 06:51:32 pm »
Ultimately I'm not sure if I'm just screwing up the terminology or completely missing the point. Would any of this have any value to individual entrepreneurs outside of the financial/tech sectors? Or does that come later? EG, after someone has created a fund-raising platform

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General Discussion / Creating a DAC that sells juice
« on: February 24, 2014, 05:55:32 pm »
I should start off by saying that my general knowledge on DACs and Cryptocurrency is nothing compared to the regulars here. I have no special technical abilities or knowledge whatsoever. Just a guy trying to wrap his head around big ideas.

Say someone wants to start a juice factory (I figured I could leave the term 'widget' to my college text books). Could they create a DAC wherein the service giving value is the demand of the juice?

If I am Mr. JuiceDreamer, would I start JuiceCoin (company A) and then start JuiceCoinTalk (company B)? On JuiceCoinTalk maybe I'd discuss how Avocado-Sweet Potato Juice will overtake the industry. People might think, yes, I believe this juice will be popular and then maybe they'd invest in some JuiceCoin. 

After people seem intrigued by JuiceCoin, would Mr. JuiceDreamer then use some of his JuiceCoin profits to start JuiceEnterprises (company C)? Say the Juice Factory needs 1000BTC in capital and start-up inventory to create its first box of juice. Say further that JuiceCoin holders believe Mr. JuiceDreamers ideas and want to contribute to the project. How do we get from individuals holding JuiceCoins to individuals having some kind of interest in JuiceEnterprises?

What big picture ideas am I missing? What is BitShares roll in all of this? Could a DAC sell juice? Would Mr JuiceDreamer end up in jail?


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General Discussion / Re: The Significance of what we are doing...
« on: February 24, 2014, 02:39:41 pm »
It's all a matter of tools. In the society of today the vast majority of people don't have the tools to survive and are in a state of desperation. Living day to day, paycheck to paycheck, or worse they are risking their lives and freedom to get beyond "street level".

We should be asking why are people so desperate? We should also be asking why government encourages people to have dependency on it's services but sets monetary and legal policies which may in fact contribute to the desperation people are under?

Finally we have to ask what can we do about this?  Crime exists where ever human beings are desperate and the laws interfere with the free market. In a free market where selling drugs is not illegal then the drug dealing industry wouldn't necessarily be violent anymore. But let's be honest about it and also admit that if there were better opportunities the vast majority of people who sell drugs for a living would be convinced to do something else.

So until we provide better opportunities for people by building tools which cannot easily be confiscated, banned, outlawed, or have the access restricted, then nothing can be expected to change. The other invention we can provide is deflationary currencies/DACs.

Anyone can benefit from using their own currency so that they can avoid certain poverty traps. People who don't have good credit cannot go to a bank to get a business loan, but they can go into debt for college. Who decided that college is more important than starting a business?

The other important distinction is the distinction between currencies which inflate which means every year the holders will become more desperate and competitive to maintain their position, and currencies which are deflationary which don't require desperation but instead patience. When you have the currency itself programming people into thinking like a criminal because if they don't get all they can and spend it all as fast as they can't it wont be worth anything, then how are you supposed to get people to think long term or set long term goals, save or plan ahead?

Those who are promoting the inflationary model are promoting the thug mentality without realizing it in my opinion and we should look very carefully at the effects of deflationary currencies on different demographics to see if it results in a behavioral change.

From what I've seen in the Bitcoin community I've noticed it's remarkably well behaved with not very much violence. I also know most people in the Bitcoin community are not rich at all. So there might be an opportunity for a case study on the effects of deflationary currencies on different populations, could it be that deflationary currencies deter crime because people think if they just have patience and save they can get everything they'll need without having to hurt or compete with other people?
Pretty insightful and rich content above.

Maybe I'm not looking at this from a broad enough perspective, but it seems to me that if drugs (or another easy revenue source for street-level criminals) became illegal, that other forms of illegal activity would rise. Maybe personal assault to steal the iGadget and sell (or could we make this not a possibility?)

On the other hand, the current source of most petty theft and break-ins is drug users, not dealers.

Mostly my random thoughts at this point. I need to think about this some more and do some more reading.

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BitShares AGS / Re: what advantages/disadvantages do btc donations
« on: February 21, 2014, 03:24:08 pm »
i finally got around to donating yesterday most of what i had planned on donating and it was just brutal.  trying not to think about it too much.

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