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General Discussion / Maybe we can make AGS2.0 in the future
« on: May 21, 2014, 01:42:47 pm »
AGS2.0 with Dpos (Liquid)
just like  PTS2.0

the market& DAC developer will choose to honor  AGS2.0 or AGS1.0

in the future   maybe  PTS2.0 valued 100$ /pcs  then   AGS2.0 maybe acceptable

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares PTS2 - Community Input Thread
« on: May 21, 2014, 12:01:43 pm »
Snapshot+update client  is  simple & efficient
when once   Snapshoted  you can convert  forever
for example  5years later  someone remembered he had bought some PTS at 2013
he find the Wallet.dat   opened with PTSx.0 client(maybe 10.0),he still has all the shares.
my guess: invictus wants to use their toolkit for pts2 instead of fiddling with satoshi client .. and I can underatand that decision well


 Bitshares Toolkit  embedded  Genesis block?And Genesis block  contains AGS amount list&PTS2.0 amout list?
 when donate is finished   AGS amount list is fixed。But PTS2.0 amout list is not fixed,how to solve this problem?

how about this?  PTS2.0 amout list@snapshot of PTS1.0  & get data from the PTS2.0 networ from geneis  to  some certain block?

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares PTS2 - Community Input Thread
« on: May 21, 2014, 11:42:23 am »
Snapshot+update client  is  simple & efficient
when once   Snapshoted  you can convert  forever
for example  5years later  someone remembered he had bought some PTS at 2013
he find the Wallet.dat   opened with PTSx.0 client(maybe 10.0),he still has all the shares。



POB may hurt someon who forget his PTS,hurt someon in prison & can't control the PTS wallet temporarily。
My  previous reply of POB  considered  not thoughtful,sorry。

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares PTS2 - Community Input Thread
« on: May 21, 2014, 11:20:30 am »
simple is the best

steps:

1.3I  announce DACs will honor PTS2.0&AGS instead of PTS1.0&AGS
and  announce Snapshot time  in advance & contact the exchange(mainly  BTC38&BTER )publish announcement
2.  the exchange(mainly  BTC38&BTER ) stop trading(just like 2.28)
3.  Snapshot of PTS1.0  & Release PTS2.0 client (with genesis block honoured the PTSer in Snapshot)
4.  the exchange(mainly  BTC38&BTER ) start   trading  of PTS2.0


ps
Put  the  unmined PTS  into DAC fund。 Promote the development of  DAC ecosystem。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: [翻譯]BitShares LOTTO狀態更新
« on: May 21, 2014, 10:34:16 am »
3i的开发规划很有问题啊

bts toolkit难度和工作量没有预估的么?现在才让lotto的开发者帮忙
还有dns的开发团队 早就可以先转移到bts toolkit开发啊。
没有toolkit  Lotto  DNS Me都是镜中月水中花啊。

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares PTS2 - Community Input Thread
« on: May 21, 2014, 08:45:33 am »
stan
why not just use Proof of Burn?
Burn 1pts1.0   you get 1pts2.0 before the deadline
then destroy the address of pts1.0
All the DACs  honor  PTS2.0&AGS  such as  Lotto  DNS  etc.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: PTS DPOS版要实施了,看最新消息
« on: May 21, 2014, 07:55:39 am »
pts2出來的話,應該通知交易所下架pts換成pts2.不要給3i出貨套小白的機會。
+5%
快照前暂停交易 然后直接下架才是王道
私下交易管不着
直接用pts2代替pts1 名字都不用变

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares PTS2 - Community Input Thread
« on: May 21, 2014, 07:53:44 am »
I like proof of burn.
It is fair.

+5%

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares PTS2 - Community Input Thread
« on: May 21, 2014, 05:43:39 am »
Announcing BitShares PTS2

Shortly after we released PTS in November, Bytemaster reserved the right to release an upgrade when the technology was available.  That time has arrived.  As soon as DPOS finishes its validation trials and BitShares XT is released, we will turn our attention to PTS2 (which, thanks to the new DPOS toolkit, should be rather easy to do.)

PTS2 will honor all shares of PTS one-for-one, with the remaining unmined PTS shares mapped to a "reverse angel" marketing fund to help grow the value of PTS2 - and all its children.

The value proposition PTS2 has over PTS is as follows:
  • Much faster transaction times.
  • A profitable business model.
  • All the other benefits DPOS has over mining.
  • A million dollar promotion fund to help grow its value for those who hold its shares.
(Of course, the dollar value of this fund depends on whether the market value of PTS2 is greater or less than the value of PTS.  Assuming that it is the same, the fund will be worth over a million dollars. As the use of this promotional fund begins to take affect, the value could increase to, say, 2 million dollars.  Or it could be worth zero.  It depends on what we come up with together.)

PTS and PTS2 will compete in the free market. 
Every PTS share holder will get a PTS2 snapshot share as well.
It is up to the free market to decide which shares to hold and which to sell.
It is also up to each developer to decide which PTS version they will honor.

We plan to sell PTS and honor PTS2, but everyone is free to choose otherwise.

This is all we have settled on so far.  We turn to the community for ideas about how to best use a genesis block "reverse angel address" to grow the value of a new DAC - especially a Grand ProtoDAC that is likely to get you shares in many other DACs that you can already see being developed in real time.  Clearly, anything we do to increase demand for any of the children also increased demand for the parent - so there are many, many ways to do this.

We will be sharing some ideas of our own, but are very interested in getting community ideas and buy-in.  The final plan will undoubtedly be a hybrid of the best of the best.

A lot of ideas have been discussed and debated over the past few months.  Here's where we all can post the ones we like liked best - and hammer out a promo-plan that most of us can whole-heartedly support.

1.BTS X released & Dpos verified
2.if  AGS donate is not finished  then danate pause
3.PTS2.0(DPos) use Proof of burn
① set a new address
② give PTSer some time such as two weeks
③ PTSer  donate PTS1.0  to the “new address”
④ PTS2.0  honor  the donater in  the list
⑤ the rerest PTS holded by community for development
4 AGS donate restart with PTS2.0

just like  the gov  release the new version paper currency  & callback the old one  @1:1 ratio

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares PTS2 - Community Input Thread
« on: May 21, 2014, 05:11:55 am »
Announcing BitShares PTS2

Shortly after we released PTS in November, Bytemaster reserved the right to release an upgrade when the technology was available.  That time has arrived.  As soon as DPOS finishes its validation trials and BitShares XT is released, we will turn our attention to PTS2 (which, thanks to the new DPOS toolkit, should be rather easy to do.)

PTS2 will honor all shares of PTS one-for-one, with the remaining unmined PTS shares mapped to a "reverse angel" marketing fund to help grow the value of PTS2 - and all its children.

The value proposition PTS2 has over PTS is as follows:
  • Much faster transaction times.
  • A profitable business model.
  • All the other benefits DPOS has over mining.
  • A million dollar promotion fund to help grow its value for those who hold its shares.
(Of course, the dollar value of this fund depends on whether the market value of PTS2 is greater or less than the value of PTS.  Assuming that it is the same, the fund will be worth over a million dollars. As the use of this promotional fund begins to take affect, the value could increase to, say, 2 million dollars.  Or it could be worth zero.  It depends on what we come up with together.)

PTS and PTS2 will compete in the free market. 
Every PTS share holder will get a PTS2 snapshot share as well.
It is up to the free market to decide which shares to hold and which to sell.
It is also up to each developer to decide which PTS version they will honor.

We plan to sell PTS and honor PTS2, but everyone is free to choose otherwise.

This is all we have settled on so far.  We turn to the community for ideas about how to best use a genesis block "reverse angel address" to grow the value of a new DAC - especially a Grand ProtoDAC that is likely to get you shares in many other DACs that you can already see being developed in real time.  Clearly, anything we do to increase demand for any of the children also increased demand for the parent - so there are many, many ways to do this.

We will be sharing some ideas of our own, but are very interested in getting community ideas and buy-in.  The final plan will undoubtedly be a hybrid of the best of the best.

A lot of ideas have been discussed and debated over the past few months.  Here's where we all can post the ones we like liked best - and hammer out a promo-plan that most of us can whole-heartedly support.

1.BTS X released & Dpos verified
2.if  AGS donate is not finished  then danate pause
3.PTS2.0(DPos) use Proof of burn
① set a new address
② give PTSer some time such as two weeks
③ PTSer  donate PTS1.0  to the “new address”
④ PTS2.0  honor  the donater in  the list
⑤ the rerest PTS holded by community for development
4 AGS donate restart with PTS2.0

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares PTS2 - Community Input Thread
« on: May 21, 2014, 04:47:32 am »
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one more thing, would you still accpet PTS donate for AGS? or the PTS2 thing will come after the end of AGS donating?

Good point.  The easiest way is to do as you suggest and wait for AGS to be complete.  But I hope we don't have to wait that long, so I'm open to other ideas...

what?  1pts(old)= 1pts(old)+1pts2.0(new)  at the same time   1pts(old) can donate  AGS?
it's unfair to the early donated AGS



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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 致3i,让一部分人先富起来
« on: May 20, 2014, 04:46:10 pm »
既然pts改dpos啦.可以展望:pts将不断上涨,bts有价无货,bitusd淹没网络。

+10086

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用了代码不给钱的事世界上多了去了!更本没地方告去,因为是去中心化的,所以那个ags协议没什么约束性

不开源没人用 如果有人用bts toolkit又不遵守契约
fork它

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开源≠免费
dpos   bts toolkit的授权协议就是至少分给pts ags各10%股份

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理想状态是AGS募集的PTS BTC形成DAC开发基金
BTC支付工资 PTS分的各种DAC股份红利啥的 用于资助bts toolkit&三方dac开发
三方dac基于bts toolkit所以按约定给pts ags股份

DAC开发基金滚雪球般壮大

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