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放弃PTS的这一步确实有点烂，快照折腾PTS就好了，折腾BTS干嘛，要是将来快照都分BTS一份，不定期月经，吓尿在内盘玩期货的小伙伴了。
I get so tired of people just complaining with 20/20 hindsight, and never offering (or attempting to build consensus around) any better ideas.
It was very easy for us all to be critical when we had no info at all on what the plan was, and hadnt been shown anything yet.
The community now seems hard at work on a variety of great projects, and I am glad they are starting to get monetary support (paid delegate positions) for this as well.
The upside of the fact that we all got impatient with the marketing efforts was that the community started doing it themselves.
Now we will have a variety of different marketing projects going, and we dont need all of them to succeed, we just need some of them to succeed. We no longer have all our eggs in one basket. We dont have a single point of failure.
If the official marketing fails, the community marketing might succeed, and vice versa.
Its a friendly competition now. Will the official marketing programs bear fruit before the community efforts being lead by methodx, matt, and others? We will see.
Now this competition is gone for good.
While Brian Page has left there is still a marketing team. Murderistic, bitsharesmarket, and then Adam's team. Then the community marketing team led by HPEnvy and methodx.
I get so tired of people just complaining with 20/20 hindsight, and never offering (or attempting to build consensus around) any better ideas.
It was very easy for us all to be critical when we had no info at all on what the plan was, and hadnt been shown anything yet.
The community now seems hard at work on a variety of great projects, and I am glad they are starting to get monetary support (paid delegate positions) for this as well.
The upside of the fact that we all got impatient with the marketing efforts was that the community started doing it themselves.
Now we will have a variety of different marketing projects going, and we dont need all of them to succeed, we just need some of them to succeed. We no longer have all our eggs in one basket. We dont have a single point of failure.
If the official marketing fails, the community marketing might succeed, and vice versa.
Its a friendly competition now. Will the official marketing programs bear fruit before the community efforts being lead by methodx, matt, and others? We will see.
Use spell check!
Yes... I need it
Is the official marketing team really completely oblivious to the fact that there is a large amount of stakeholders who are all very frustrated about the total lack of transparency, total lack of results/any kind of evidence of work, and most of all the total disregard for stakeholder concern? (as evidenced by the stonewalling of every thread trying to bring them up) Especially the chinese community who feel like they are getting shafted again and again with every step (they're the ones getting results, but we're the ones diluting)Where's Brian? Anyone has reached to him recently? I see Rune you uttered many times this judgement while Brian has been silent all the time. Should be interesting/amusing to see this unless being a bts holder which I am. So bad !☺
People who are already unhappy will see take this attempt at getting even more funds as an insult. This will be the final piece of evidence that proves without a doubt that the objective of those on the marketing team is to extract as much wealth from stakeholders as they possibly can while treading water and making vague promises.
I still don't think you're being deliberately malicious, but making this thread was a really bad move, and I'm fed up.
This thread brings up a interesting point.Yes
The Chinese marketing arm was given funds free and clear and it seems has made great head way.
The American arm was also given funds but maintains that it is not allowed to launch anything until 1.0 which is obviously different.
Now out of frustration/need many users on the american side are eager to vote in delegates to help fill what we currently see as a marketing void compared to the Chinese counterpart.
Out of curiosity are their any Chinese marketing delegates that are active or has everything they have accomplished been volunteer/Orginal funds given to chinless marketing arm?
IMHO, I believe that incentives should be shared with the unofficial marketing team and anyone who contributes positively on nullstreet.
目前老外的100%委托人中，基本都是技术团队，只有一个推广团队。中文社区虽然没有官方研发团队的成员，但是推广团队功不可没，可以联合搞一个。只是大家太谦虚了。
我在非洲很多年，对那边的情况有很多了解，也认识很多那边当地的公司，如果我去非洲推广bts，会有人支持我做100%delegate吗？
We have already had a 100% payrate delegate---Methox, why don't you join his team and prove your ability first.
Before Methox can prove that marketing can indeed bring some value to BTS, I don't think we need more marketing delegates.
Have you been following Nullstreet? There is enormous organizing and promotional work going on there. And it is all transparent and being done entirely on a voluntary basis so far, I guess you haven't been there or you would know. Check it out and just think what could happen with a few funded marketing delegates.
RippleXiaoShan is on Nullstreet from day 1 .
He has been doing these similar things for the community and help marketing effort in China since last year .
But he just didn't specifically document it so it's hard for people to sum up his contribution in 1 minute . And trust me , he has been doing more than what Nullstreet is doing . So he is totally qualified to comment on the Nullstreet effort .
It's good to know that Nullstreets are making progress , but it's also important to realize it's too early to comparing Nullstreet's effort to other channels , because marketing is just not that simple . Those who hasn't record their effort in detail maybe just because it's not their style .
Of course , I also shared some concerns about the Brian team . But it would be wrong to make a comparison base on two different type of operations , because it's just wrong to judge a book by its cover . The real marketing effort should be about how the world sees us instead of us assuming "how much we've done so far , just look at it on the list " .
There is a large gap between English and Chinese speakers.
It is not productive to compare the 2.
What is productive is to find where spent funds do not have a positive value and remove those leaks while adding marketing that has positive value!!
People should rally around that instead of any fake East/West division that solely exists due to communication failures.
Lets please keep this in mind!!!! We need effective Chinese marketers just as much,
wait , I'm not talking about Chinese and Western .
I'm talking about the Brian-liked style (vague , not detailed oriented)and the Nullstreet style (specific , list oriented ) and how often people confuse to think there is one better than the other . I just used the Chinese member as a example to show he knows what he's talking about because he was doing the same thing since last year but just didn't detailed enough to describe it .
Because whenever people question the effort on Nullstreet , some people just tent to ask them to read the list of what they're doing , and think that it's just enough to stop commenting .
Also , the only reason the word "Chinese" was brought up in the first because onceuponatime seems to think RippleXiaoshan was just commenting blindly without appreciating the effort on Nullstreet , so I just offer his background to show onceuponatime that RippleXiaoshan did not comment blindly .
No, I believe btc38 don't hold bitcny, at least for now. They will have bitcny changed into cny through tradebts.com (a counterparty to bitpay) right away.
Thats great, this basically means we have bitpay for BTS now.
Thats very interesting. They are essentially accepting it just like it was regular CNY.
Which is exactly what we want merchants to do - accept a bitasset as identical to the normal currency.
