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General Discussion / Re: Thoughts on Prediction-Markets (Brain Analogy)
« on: February 11, 2014, 02:22:45 pm »
A prediction-market may be the best way to get accurate empirical data into a DAC. With a prediction-market along the lines of Bitshares X, the DACs suddenly have sensation, the first step towards developing a full-fledged brain.

This pegging can be viewed as an empirical input-stream into the DAC. As a price-feed you have a sequence of numbers over time. These numbers can be understood as "rising," and "falling." Then you have the "acceleration" of these rises and falls. With these modest classifications you can already use pattern-recognition to find further, complex units of price-movements. Perhaps one can find that "crash" and "correction" can be identified and thus with some probability predicted.

How to make a DAC that collects accurate empirical data is one of the most fundemental things we should be thinking about. With Bitshares X this problem is solved for special cases. To what extent is it possible to generalize this to collect any empirical information? I've only seen this thread on the matter so far.

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General Discussion / Re: Thoughts on Prediction-Markets (Brain Analogy)
« on: February 11, 2014, 12:32:31 pm »
It is clear that humans would need to be involved in this global brain, and as such there would be several human limitations. I am not sure what kinds of hierarchical prediction-structures with human components would be effective. It is possible to view cells as making simple economic choices I think, but am not sure how hierarchical structures in the brain - or any organic structures - are produced at genesis, so I have no good inspiration here!

I know that hierarchical structures are particularly valuable because they maximize the ability to perceive distinction while preserving unity. The key to perceived beauty is the apparent complexity combined with underlying unity. We need to be able to differentiate a billion different sentences or pictures, while having the ability to integrate each particular sentence or picture into a unitary whole.

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General Discussion / Replacing Facebook
« on: February 11, 2014, 02:11:58 am »
Two faults with Facebook laid out for anyone to see,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ZqXlHl65g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag

Facebook is something that can obviously be fixed
and improved with Blockchain technology.

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BitShares AGS / Re: donating to AGS: "Then what?"
« on: February 11, 2014, 12:39:11 am »

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General Discussion / Re: VC DAC
« on: February 11, 2014, 12:18:43 am »
All of the above is sorely needed by me but what do you mean by "If you join in on honoring AGS/PTS you can get: ..."?

When you create a DAC with Bitshares you have 100% of the shares to allocate to the potential users. If you promise to allocate 20% of these shares, 10% to AGS (AngelShares) and 10% to PTS (ProtoShares) you get the services listed, plus a lot of support from the community.

AGS and PTS are shares that anyone can buy on equal terms, and everything will go towards DACs that honor the 20% rule. This is why Invictus themselves are also giving 20% of all shares in their future DACs to people who hold AGS and PTS. Initially, the AGS/PTS will go toward funding the DACs that Invictus creates, but as more people honor the 20%, Invictus and the AGS/PTS stakeholders will use the money to help them succeed, as it raises the value of AGS/PTS.

With 20% given to AGS/PTS you have 80% that you can use to have a giveaway or take it as profit or whatever best serves your business model. If your business model is good, and you honor AGS/PTS, Invictus will help you with promotion and help set up your own AngelShares auction to attract investors that will help gather more funding for your business as well!

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General Discussion / Re: The Significance of what we are doing...
« on: February 10, 2014, 11:54:00 pm »
I love posts like this!

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General Discussion / Re: Thoughts on Prediction-Markets (Brain Analogy)
« on: February 10, 2014, 11:42:40 pm »
How does the brain Predict?

The brain takes input through channels called senses. These senses convert the various inputs, photons, pressure, molecules, etc. into electrical signals that are hierarchically processed. At the bottom of the hierarchy are simple spatial and temporal patterns of these electrical signals that correspond to the simplest "letters" in the language of that particular sensory modality. In visual (written) language we start out with simple lines and curves that form into letters, and letters form into morphemes and these form words and words form clauses and sentences and so on.

Since the brain processes the stimuli simultaneously on all levels of the hierarchy the brain already predicts, already knows how to complete each part of the sentence as it is being read and so "it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae" - the overall meaning of each word and the sentence overrides the local errors. The same principle underlies all of perception; sight, hearing, touch, etc.

This suggest that the main thrust of the powerful pattern recognition of the brain can be emulated in a DAC with a prediction-market. The key is to use specialized low-level predictions as input to higher-level predictions.


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General Discussion / Thoughts on Prediction-Markets (Brain Analogy)
« on: February 10, 2014, 10:59:57 pm »
Perceptrons or Why Does the Brain Predict?

The brain is mainly a prediction-machine. It takes sensory input and through the process of perception figures out what sensory input will occur next. It does this by compressing sensory input in both time and space; if you see an occluded figure, you'll typically still recognize it. If you hear part of a song, you'll typically still recognize it. The brain has compressed the total figure and song, and will be able to predict its presence based on any fraction of the total information.

Why does the brain predict? To make useful actions possible. All moving creatures need to predict the consequences of both sensory input and the result of their own actions (output). This is why brains exist - to coordinate perception with action. At first, nervous systems were used to react immediately to stimuli, but over time the reactions grew to become thoughtful. At heart, the ability to predict the affordances of stimuli and the consequences of action are fundamental.

How do our run-of-the-mill IQ tests try to assess our intelligence? "Which number comes next?" "Pick the figure that completes the pattern," etc. Here we typically expect someone to complete a pattern on the basis of some limited sensory experience by means of finding an elegant way of compressing the given input where the unknown comes out simply.

There are also lots of patterns that are irrational in the sense that they cannot be compressed elegantly to reveal the unknown. To predict events in the world we typically mix these two forces: On the one hand we look for elegant, beautiful ways to compress the total information we are given. On the other hand, we are collecting a vast store of known patterns that exist in the world even if they are ugly (not easily compressible).

What can we draw from all this? First, prediction-markets should be seen as trying to complete incomplete knowledge in two senses, rationally and empirically, and never just temporally. Second, we should recognize that "incomplete knowledge" is a subjective feature that apply to limited perspectives, whether the limit be in intellectual power e.g. we can't compute the answer, scientific insight e.g. we don't know if it's empirically possible, or empirical knowledge e.g. we don't know if a particular fact is true.

I also want to mention that Perceptrons can take hypotheticals as input; IF x, then ?. This is what happens when Perceptrons are used to predict the consequences of the predictors action, it puts the given action as a hypothetical x, and then tries to predict what will happen. In this way we get the additional result that prediction-market also provides predictions about hypothetical situations.

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General Discussion / Re: VC DAC
« on: February 10, 2014, 07:26:00 pm »
In other words, it is a link exchange with the additional feature of a built in price discovery mechanism and market.

I'm a bit on the slow side here. Let me see if I understand what you are saying.

The incentive for Startups (with little traffic) is to get VClike nodes (with large amounts of traffic) to invest traffic in the startups, so that they can build up their network. In return, the VClike nodes get a share of all future traffic that these startups get. If the VClike nodes do not need more traffic, they can cash out their returns (Traffic) in Bitcoins instead.

The DAC would do several things, 1) Track the traffic of different sites. 2) price the Traffic in some unit 3) allow people to trade Traffic with bitcoin and 4) allow VClike entities to invest Traffic in startups, and allow startups to buy Traffic for a stake in their future traffic.

Is this right, or am I going off the rails here? I think you need to break down your idea further. In particular, if this is right, start by explaining how each of these points could be implemented by a DAC, or DAC in combination with a website or something else.

How do I go about starting a DAC around the idea?

I suggest you write out your idea and business-model in a whitepaper and either present it to the community here or, if you want to keep it secret for now, send it to Invictus for review. Invictus are very much encouraging people to create their own DACs, so you're here at the right time.

One of the main purposes of Invictus, although it's not entirely clear yet, is to help people create their own DACs. If you join in on honoring AGS/PTS you can get:

•A stipend to work in one of our incubators for a period of time.
•The legal fees to set up your company in its chosen favorable jurisdiction.
•Fully equipped office space at one of our incubator sites.
•Forum and web site support while you build you own base of supporters.
•Crypto-savvy legal, accounting, financial and tax support.
•Use of our trusted escrow services while you are building your own reputation.
•Consulting with Dan “bytemaster” Larimer and our team of innovators.
•Help with finding opportunities to speak at a major conference.
•Promotional support integrated with our own global marketing campaign

See the Invictus February newsletter page 8-10 for more information.

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 10, 2014, 06:42:15 pm »
1) Rapid loss of value of 50% in hours is very rare, even for bitcoin (once the network is established)... can anyone show an example where Bitcoin lost 50% in hours (excluding the Mt. Gox flash crash)?

I'm still crying for lack of buyorder @BTC-e today.

The holder of BitUSD is not protected against systemic risks associated with all crypoto-currencies, only from the volatility that is independent of those systemic risks.   

+3%

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General Discussion / Re: Live Interview on Liberty Panacea
« on: February 10, 2014, 01:40:19 pm »
Starts @ 29:40

0. "..that makes government irrelevant to our lives."

I wouldn't emphasize this. It puts people off and makes Invictus seem more radical than is necessary. It's already "way out there," without any need for emphasis.

Perhaps use the following argument instead:

Centralization of Government causes a lot of xyz.
Centralization of Corporate powers cause a lot of xyz.

In essence the problem is the same: We need decentralized solutions!

1. Bitcoin viewed as a (Decentralized) Company.

Very good catchy metaphor.

2. Bitshares X - Decentralized Bank and Exchange.

Stock in the bank as collateral. Good!
Note - Dollar of Gold. Good!

3. Decentralized Identity - reputation.

Very interesting!

4. Decentralized Intellectual Property.

Great explanations!

Overall brilliant interview!



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General Discussion / Re: VC DAC
« on: February 10, 2014, 12:42:56 pm »
Excellent points cloudcoiner!

This is quickly becoming the coolest DAC on the block.  8)

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BitShares AGS / Re: Donate PTS and BTC atleast 40 minutes before deadline
« on: February 10, 2014, 12:37:04 pm »
Anybody make a list of top donating addresses?

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General Discussion / Re: Blockchain based reality games + human mining
« on: February 08, 2014, 02:00:38 pm »
Interesting.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Bounties to Spread Awareness
« on: February 08, 2014, 01:19:30 pm »
It's really a balancing act right now. It is certainly scary that Invictus is holding off a marketing push, especially in the funding stage. But it can certainly be a mistake if they push before they are ready. Either way the air is filled with angst. But that's part of the fun too!

We all trust in Brian Page at this point. I hope that video arrives soon! It can be a good thing if more people invest after BTC has gone down as well (: .. So many considerations t_t

I'd love to have a more open discussion about how to spend funds, and tried to propose a "suggest bounty" thread, but I guess for some reason this idea is not good?

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